[Closed] World gone mad?

I think the problem is that you don't do it live on air in front of millions of viewers.
The guy comes across as a total bellend.

He probably bought the maxxis calendar as well!!

[i]how on earth are you supposed to try and start a relationship with someone[/i]

He wasn't;

[i]It was a simple joke.[/i]

I guess if you work in a bar you might expect drunk blokes to say something like that and it would cause less fuss but two people working in a professional environment with a large audience?

Why are you surprised people think it was inappropriate?

He did it live on air, in a work environment. Now he faces a huge backlash, quite right too.

The world hasn't gone mad at all.

Rightly or wrongly, cultural that's how it is in the Caribbean - they are a lot more forward and open with compliments, It's not malicious.

Unpurses lips and changes mind on whistling the bird over the road from site due to above..

[i]Rightly or wrongly, cultural that's how it is in the Caribbean[/i]

and if he'd been from a strict Muslim or Jewish community and had told her off for not wearing a headscarf that would have been ok because it's his 'cultural background'?

He's a grown up and a professional and used to captain his country's cricket team, he knows what's acceptable and what isn't.

I thought Chris Gale made a bit of a dick of himself, but the reporter complaining about it is a bit much. Working in the media is a tough job, you don't get in front of camera unless you are easy on the eye. Look at it as a compliment. Laugh it off.

She should of shut him down by saying No thanks you are not my type, lets get on with the cricket talk. Or something similar.

What a ridiculous world we live in.

He's a grown up and a professional and used to captain his country's cricket team, he knows what's acceptable and what isn't.

I don't disagree with that, he just let himself run away with himself.

and if he'd been from a strict Muslim or Jewish community and had told her off for not wearing a headscarf that would have been ok because it's his 'cultural background'?

If she's was in an environment that demands it yes. The problem of watering down cultures to one global "standard" is surely one you're familiar with, and I trust you understand therefore that its sometimes quite difficult?

I accept that there are different social norms in different countries, places and times of the day even (and also gave an example of one) but for this specific example it's not 'world gone mad' it's 'bloke falls short of standards expected of him in his job'.

Rightly or wrongly, cultural that's how it is in the Caribbean

It was in Australia.

If she's was in an environment that demands it yes.

She was in a situation that demanded some professional courtesy. She was doing her job trying to do an interview, he made her feel uncomfortable with his comments.

but the reporter complaining about it is a bit much.

It's her work place, is it so much to ask?

Working in the media is a tough job, you don't get in front of camera unless you are easy on the eye.

casual sexism, well done

Look at it as a compliment.

And if she didn't see it that way?

behaviour like this by men needs to be challenged.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/20/sexual-harassment-women-curfew?CMP=share_btn_fb ]read this, remember it's 2016[/url]

No thanks you are not my type

that would have gone down well. 🙄

It's not really the right thing to do is it? Would anyone do that at a board or shareholder meeting at work? Doing it in private would have been okay (as long as he dropped it if she said no), but doing it in public, at work, in front of millions of people....not on.

casual sexism, well done

Yes it is you hunk of man love, I bet you have buns of steel from all that cycling 😉

The STW moral crusader handicap is off and running, taking an early lead is nickc

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Now leading by 4 lengths 😆

casual sexism, well done

Not wanting to gang up on you nickc, but its a bit niaive to assume some of these news anchors/interviewers male or female are not chosen due to their physical or personable ability to attract an audience, as well as their god-given talent for the role.

it's not 'world gone mad' it's 'bloke falls short of standards expected of him in his job'.

I'm in agreement - he comes from a place with different standards, and should have exacted himself to the standards of the time and place the comments were made.

It was the on-air equivalent of patting her on the bum and calling her Doll. Professional journalist and his response is to remark on her looks and sleaze up to her in front of millions of viewers. Creep.

And I would modify what Pigface is saying, in general women don't get on the air unless they are easy on the eye. I won't comment on the looks (and age - that's another issue) of men in broadcasting, as that would be massively hypocritical.

I'll just leave this here

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Gayle's "strip club" in his house

but its a bit niaive to assume...

just because we all know it goes on, doesn't make it less sexist.

Strawman
Ad hominem
Knuckle daggers
Dinosaurs
Professionally offended

Just getting in early.

On the one hand, it was rude, inappropriate and sexist. On the other, it was a manners and etiquette failure rather than an actual crime, so it doesn't sit well with me that it was dealt with by means of a 'fine'. Better for him to have been roundly criticised and sincerely apologise and then everyone just move on. However as the fine was actually a au$10,000 donation to charity, I suppose that's kind of what happened anyway, really

just because we all know it goes on, doesn't make it less sexist.

No, but don't persecute Chris Gale, look at the wider issue.

It was the on-air equivalent of patting her on the bum and calling her Doll.

[i]don't persecute Chris Gale, look at the wider issue[/i]

Sometimes the way to address the wider issue and actually effect change is to take specific examples and say 'this was wrong'?

Otherwise you just end up with people making noise and nothing changes, like what happens on here 😉

He was a dick.

"To see your eyes for the first time is nice. Hopefully we can have a drink afterwards. Don't blush baby," he said.

Speaking to Grandstand during a washed out day three of the third Australia v West Indies Test, Fox Sports reporter Neroli Meadows - a former colleague of McLaughlin's - said what happened to McLaughlin was not an isolated incident in sports media.

"It happens, situations likes that, 10 times a day when you're a female in this sports industry and that's just a fact," she said.

"Whether it's the fact that the women's toilets aren't open and the men's toilets are, whether it's somebody saying something slightly inappropriate to you as you walk down the hallway, 10 times a day, without fail.

"We do not need that to happen to us in our workplace because that is what it is, our workplace and Mel has been doing her job for 10 to 15 years and she has done it with respect. Her career now gets defined by this.

I wish we could fine people for being dicks. I will volunteer to serve as Judge Hels. I promise to be fair.

Some people will think what he did was ok
Some people will think what he did was wrong
Arguing about it will not change either sides opinion

Can we just lock the thread now?

Whilst what he said wasn't very clever, he isn't being paid to be clever and I can't help thinking that his skin colour and general physique are a part of what's causing the outrage, which is racist. If Paul Hogan had made a similar quip I'm suspect people would have laughed.

She was there doing her job, he was there doing his job, if it happened in a boardroom with other people present it could be seen as offensive. She is trying to be professional and come across as such. Her work environment could be littered with casual sexism (many work environments are), so for it to appear in some form in public could be seen as unwanted and offensive. It could undermine her role as a professional journalist. Would it be ok for a male repoter to do the same in public to a female sports star? No, because she deserves respect. The power role is easier to see if reversed. It's not about asking someone on a date, if he had really wanted to he could have done that quietly after the questioning.

... and while I'm on the subject, just replace "female reporter" with "male reporter". How d'you feel about the story now?

skin colour and general physique are a part of what's causing the outrage, which is racist. I

I think you've now stretched this to "wtf" territory. How bizarre.

... and while I'm on the subject, just replace "female reporter" with "male reporter". How d'you feel about the story now

The same, with the added surprise that Chris gayle might be gay.

Kryton +1, +1. As in WT actual F are you on about? It's a manners issue. And as he's making a lot of money being a 'role model', if his manners fall below what is expected of him, he gets a commensurate arse kicking. To not criticise him publicly would be to condone.

Honestly if you think it's OK or just a manners thing go say that to the next woman you see at work and see what happens. Read the comments from the other female sports reporter who says she gets 10-15 sexist things happening every day she works. She is not there to get a date, she isn't there to be hit on she is there to report and interview. He is there to play cricket and talk about the game he is playing, if he fancied her talk to her after.

Anyone else listen to the interview on TMS during the lunch break?

If not, a summary;

It's not OK, Chris. Part of a wider pattern of behaviour. Female journalists hate it. Ex team mates think he's a dick.

OK. I accept that in this case it's what he said rather than what he is.
Mainly because a bit of digging shows he's done it before and apparently learned nothing.

[url= http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2014/07/23/chris-gayle-and-the-question-marks-over-non-white-civilization/ ]Gayle refering to a lady's pitch[/url]

@Mike; is that aimed at me? Because I [b]don't[/b] think it's 'OK'. It is a manners thing though, as in exceptionally BAD manners, indicative of a deeprootedly mysogynistic mindset. (Which I doubt anything will change in that individual, but we can improve his manners).

at anyone who thinks it's anything other than sexist and sleezy. It's totally unacceptable behaviour in the workplace.

mikewsmith - I don't think anyone here is arguing against you tbh, or condoning the behaviour. I think he said the wrong thing in the wrong place at the wrong time.

we are saying the world has not gone mad, its just an irresponsible bit of behavior, and we don't need to be firing Chris Gayle or nuking Jamaica over it. He has apologised and has as requested made a charitable donation as a penalty.

It's totally unacceptable behaviour in the workplace

This.

Thats the end of it really.

I can't help thinking that his skin colour and general physique are a part of what's causing the outrage, which is racist.

oh cool, are we just making stuff up now.

I reckon the outrage was caused because she is actually his twin sister but they were separated at birth.

sorry your comment read a little the other way as I first saw it, having seen the coverage here in Oz it's making people talk about the issues which is the only good thing to come from it.

[quote=nealglover] I reckon the outrage was caused because she is actually his twin sister but they were separated at birth.Only if her name is Rey

Are we having another get together of the Singletrack Casual Misogynists League so soon after the last one?

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I am looking forward to the latest quote filled clash between the Singletrack Casual Misogynists and the Singletrack White Knights.

Gonna be a cracker!

Working in the media is a tough job, you don't get in front of camera unless you are easy on the eye

Very true

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I wish we could fine people for being dicks.

You can't do that, poor pigface would be bankrupt

Very true

Not going to lie. I'd hit that.

What if a girl did something similar?

What would the repercussions be?

If a "girl" did something similar I imagine a telling off from her mum and dad, who probably shouldn't have let her go on TV anyway, as she is you know, not even 12 years old.

Sigh.

Don't tell me we're not allowed to use the term "girl" for an adult female - or is it like that only people with dark skin can call each other "****"?

Its only OK to hit on people in a work environment if they are young and at a lower social or professional status than you [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/how-do-people-flirt-these-days ]see here[/url]

If you don't believe front of camera is mainly inhabited by the easy on the eye you are being very naive.
Especially the female representatives.
That's why Jeremy Kyles show stands out a mile as we are not used to seeing ugly people on the box.

I think he was wrong to ask her out on camera, it was unprofessional and disrespectful and if he really wanted to ask her out he could have politely asked her out after they had finished the interview.

I don't know what he did could be described as sexism as in he wouldn't have asked her out if she was a man :D.
But I believe from what I know about him he probably has a low opinion of woman. Is this cultural on his part, maybe.
And if so maybe even compacted by his sports celebrity and fame.
I grew up with someone who went on to be a professional footballer and amongst some of his contemparies there was a culture of treating woman poorly as which was due to them being young men and in general pretty woman were easy come easy go. As there were many woman happy to throw them selfs at them.

His club have every right to expect there players to conduct them selfs in a professional manner and to fine there players if they feel they have not done so.

If a "girl" did something similar I imagine a telling off from her mum and dad, who probably shouldn't have let her go on TV anyway, as she is you know, not even 12 years old.
Sigh.

So when my wife says she is going out with the girls for some drinks on Saturday, she's actually taking a load of kids out and plying them with cocktails !!

I should have words really, that's not on.

*sigh*

Well hellloooooooo

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I give the thread an hour.

Less, if Cougar is on his lunch break.

Forget your wife. My dad at 70 often goes on a boys night out.
Should I inform yew tree .

In this context, use of the term "girl" continues the belittling and patronising tone of what the cricket player said in the first place. And to add a sexual overtone to that ramps the creepy up to 11...

Referring to women as a group of underage females, especially in this context is grim and tasteless.

(in a Nabokov and Polanski type way).

Although I would have issue with what Binners said - I am not sure a person can be a "casual" misogynist, fear and hatred of women does by definition require some intent.

So, it turns out that Girl Power wasn't, as I had long thought, a phrase used as a term of empowerment, independence, and self-sureness, expressing a cultural phenomenon of the 1990s and early 2000s. It was, in fact, a dastardly plan to breed an army of female clones and harness them to giant underground hamster wheels in order to provide an alternative source of energy.

It makes you think....

I meant casually delivered Misogynistic views Hels. Rather than casually held.

The usual suspects have already hauled themselves from 1973 onto this thread. If the Maxis calendar thread showed anything, its that trying to drag their attitudes towards women any further forward than the early 70's is a pretty futile exercise. They're happily stuck there.

They're happily stuck there.

My mates in Wales all women who are in their 40's always refer to themselves as girls, ie Girls on Tour when they go away two times a year for long weekends, saw the girls last night it was lush.

Maybe just valley speak.

Referring to women as a group of underage females, especially in this context is grim and tasteless.
(in a Nabokov and Polanski type way).

Lol.

jiveybunneyjive, the one man army fighting against high profile child abusers, being accused of acting in a "Polanski type way"

You really couldn't make it up. (Except of course you did)

If Freddie Flintoff did it do people think it'd have created the same reaction? (Picking up on Edukators comment - not sure what I think about it so just asking)

You know those Girl's nights out where they frolick with male strippers and stuff?

Lock the strippers up I say, bloody perverts.

So can I sue Take That under the Trades description act for referring to themselves as a "Boy" Band?

But I believe from what I know about him he [b]probably [/b]has a low opinion of woman.

So, conjecture on your part.

Is this cultural on his part, maybe.

I'd like to point out that my earlier reference to culture was not to suggest a general "low opinion of women" in the Caribbean population, but that openly flirting with women in the manner/vocabulalry Chris Gayle did in that interview is quite normal [i]in the right circumstances[/i] on some islands if not all. It should also be pointed out that the educational and behavioral standards - again of most islands - are way higher than the UK in general - that behaviour would not be tolerated in the school/professional environment.

Don't tell me we're not allowed to use the term "girl" for an adult female - or is it like that only people with dark skin can call each other "****"?

No, that's only people from that place in Scotland remember.

I don't know what he did could be described as sexism

It's not sexual discrimination, no. But sexism is a wider term, regardless of how you wish to define it.

He's there to talk about cricket. By using the limited time available to talk about her eyes instead of engage with her about cricket, he's implying that she's a just a pretty thing instead of a serious reporter.

That counts as sexism, doesn't it?

Shit. JHJ made me laugh.

I feel weird

As an aside - can we lose the repeat posting of the "N" word please. Regardless of the context of this thread its highly offensive to some, a fact which isn't up for debate or challenge with regard to the OP.

Thanks.

Conjecture based on the little I know of him, yes.
That is why I said probably, maybe unfairly and I should have used maybe instead.

He probably forgot himself and forgot he was at work and maybe he thought he was talking to one of his [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/11864207/Chris-Gayle-has-had-a-strip-club-installed-in-his-own-house.html ]personal strippers.[/url]

we're not allowed to use the term "girl" for an adult female

Anyway skimmed the thread and in response to the OP the answer is NO.

OK, to avoid unneccessary controversy, let's rephrase the question:

What if a [s]girl[/s] young woman did something similar?

What would the repercussions be?

What he did was clearly inappropriate in a work environment.

But at least now I understand why all the attractive ladies in the office haven't been hitting on me.....

I understand why all the attractive ladies in the office haven't been hitting on me.....

How sexist!!
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I understand why people in the office haven't been hitting on me.....[/i]

Better.

MCD, I heard Gary in accounts thinks you're a fox.

A challenge for you all. Find me a famous female who has married a journalist.

It's easy to find female journalists who have seduced/been seduced and married the guy they interviewed. A few French ones:

Tony Parker NBA
DSK ex world bank chief and minister
Jamel Debouze actor
Romain Grosjean F1
Thierry Ardison actor
Laurent Voulzy singer (admits to being seduced during the interview)
Arnaud Montebourg minister
Michel Sapin minister
Vincent Peillon minister

A challenge for you all. Find me a famous female who has married a journalist.
Judy finnigan
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