[Closed] That Maxxis "babes calendar" article...

And so far, most of that definition has been done by MEN

Well of course its done by men as they are the ones who the women need to look pretty for. You might also note that in many of those societies there are some pretty bizarre things the men do to make them attractive to the wimmin i.e. the exact same (or very similar) mutilations and some quite odd (to us) rituals.

Well of course its done by men as they are the ones who the women need to look pretty for.

And that's exactly the problem, right there.

Can you not see the negativity in that sentence?

I'm guessing you didn't read gobuchul's troll post about not fighting evolution.

OK. It was a bit of a troll.

However, I never said women should stay at home in the kitchen.

I stand by what I did say.

Who are physically stronger, men or women?

How long does a man have to wait between having children?

I don't think women are "inferior" to men.

I don't think men are more intelligent than women.

I think men are DIFFERENT from women. We are not the same.

We are animals with deep rooted instincts, the urge to reproduce is the key one. It is a much more difficult process for the women than the men.

Do you think it's all down to 20th Century conditioning?

People are free to make calendars like this if they wish.
People are free to appear in calendars like this if they wish.
People are free to buy calendars like this if they wish.
People are free to view calendars like this while violently fapping or not if they wish.
People are entitled to to disapprove of such calendars if they wish.
People are entitled to defend the freedom of people to do all of the above if they wish.
Would not want it any other way.

I'm saying "who the **** are you to tell women what they should or should not do?"

Um... except you're arguing the woman who wrote the article shouldn't have written it, and that the women who've posted here expressing similar sentiments are over-reacting. Sounds a bit like telling women what to do doesn't it.

Well of course its done by men as they are the ones who the women need to look pretty for. You might also note that in many of those societies there are some pretty bizarre things the men do to make them attractive to the wimmin i.e. the exact same (or very similar) mutilations and some quite odd (to us) rituals.

Lets hope neither of your kids suffers from something like this.

http://www.****/news/article-2328072/Anorexia-One-teenage-girls-eating-disorder-boys-young-risk.html

It's in the Daily Mail so it must be true.

Besides, I blame the parents.

To make the leap from one [s]slightly risque calendar[/s] trolling post re women's 'place' as per 'evolution', to the above quote is one of the most [s]ridiculous[/s] timewasting things I've ever read.

ftfy. I agree.

@cumberlanddan...question for you. If a group of women told you they thought the calendars were wrong..what would your answer to them be?

Who are physically stronger, men or women?

Ah, trick question? Let me have a pop - is it the one who can move a mouse and make a living?

What a load of bollocks I may as well say everyone who is really homophobic is secretly gay, I will accept it was not intended as a troll but your theory is BS.

I dont even know what "think about women in a bad way " even means in this context and i have always [ from about 14] had females as my closest friends.

I'll not be good at explaining it, but i'll have a go. From this thread it appears some folk (yes you and others) seem to think that women are turned into weak, defenseless, sex objects for men to conquer and control when they are portrayed in the media in some circumstances (that calendar for example). I don't see that at all. And the reason i don't see that is that i don't and never have seen women in that way. A couple of tacky images isn't going to make me change my stance on that. Maybe if you had a better example of women as objects it would be more obvious? i don't know. In this case what i see is a poorly executed piece of promotional print. Maybe it's because design/print is my trade or maybe because i too have good friends who happen to be female, but whatever the stereotypical reaction images like this are meant to stir up inside me, simply don't occur.

So there's just one example from one man. I don't see what you think i see when i look at these types of images. I don't know what you actually think when you see them either as you've been very good at not actually saying (it's the internet - there's not point hinting at things as it can cause to misinterpretation). I'm only guessing here, but if i don't see what you think i see, then maybe other men don't see it either? They may not be looking at how the image was produced or the quality of the design/print/finishing but they may well see something else that's also not atypical. I know there are some rather primitive men about who may well view women as you describe, but you are assuming that anyone who doesn't agree with your view on this is one of them.

BTW my theory probably is BS (i'm not offended btw 😉 ) but i'm struggling to understand that although i (and others i'm sure) who try and treat all others (regardless of gender/race blah blah) with equal respect get labelled an sexist idiots/cavemen etc because we are not up in arms when something like this appears. Sadly i can't see this from a female perspective and i doubt any man could (no matter what he says) so i therefore theorised (without any data of course) that the men who are on the side of ultimate feminine righteousness must have looked at women in this way in the past. How else do you get an insight into the 'caveman' without having experienced it inside your head?

There you go, clear as mud 😀

You'll find all the dieting article and anorexic role models in the women's magazines Adele writes for. I haven't seen the Maxxis calendar but suspect the ladies fall into the Friday Fit and Performance thread category rather than the clothes-hanger thin seen in the mags aimed at young women.

because we are not up in arms when something like this appears.

Is anyone actually up in arms about it though? Seems like most people think it's just a bit tacky and shit.

Seems like most people think it's just a bit tacky and shit

+1 is anything else necessary?

[apart from the entertaining read]

Jesus Christ, I'm away for 24 hours and the wheels come off.

I've swung the hammer a bit so that adults can talk. Might I remind you all that blatantly homophobic, sexist and otherwise nasty comments will earn you Christmas off. Keep it civil.

As you were.

Sadly i can't see this from a female perspective

I've heard tell that a few women may have written about it 😉

How else do you get an insight into the 'caveman' without having experienced it inside your head?

Trick question? Let me have a pop? Is it because we don't ever experience vicarious 'insight' when other people express the content/s of their mind/s?

Is anyone actually up in arms about it though? Seems like most people think it's just a bit tacky and shit.

^ +1.

@cumberlanddan...question for you. If a group of women told you they thought the calendars were wrong..what would your answer to them be?

That in their opinion they are wrong, but not to the woman who chose to appear in them. And then there are the woman who really couldn't give a ****.

People have the right to decide what they believe is right or wrong based on there own free thinking as long as they live within the law. they still have the right to disagree with the law just not to act outside of it.

Maybe we should abandon free thinking and have grum and binners decide for us what we should think about all things moral. Perhaps they could outlaw such calendars and save the female population from the humiliation of witnessing young women in short skirts and tight strides.

Well of course its done by men as they are the ones who the women need to look pretty for.

And that's exactly the problem, right there.

Can you not see the negativity in that sentence?

Perhaps you should learn to read more then one sentence at a time. 🙄

What is negative about it? Its a simple fact. We're currently talking about mating i.e. procreation. Women + men. The men look good for the women. The women look good for the men. It is not a difficult concept.

'girlie' calendars are a bit naff, and I'd tend to think less of any workplaces or public places that displayed them.

erm. that's it really. not sure why I feel this way, probably evolution.

People have the right to decide what's they believe is right or wrong based on there own free thinking as long as they live within the law. they still have the right to disagree with the law just not to act outside of it.

Except if they are criticising your precious calendars, which is apparently totally unacceptable 'PC gone mad'. Honestly, the lack of any kind of vaguely coherent logic or critical thinking being employed by numerous people here is really quite depressing.

Maybe we should abandon free thinking and have grum and binners decide for us what we should think about all things moral. Perhaps they could outlaw such calendars and save the female population from the humiliation of witnessing young women in short skirts and tight strides.

Yet more straw man arguments. Feel free to buy your crappy calendars if you like, I wouldn't like to take that away seeing as it seems to be very important to you.

The women look good for the men. It is not a difficult concept.

Neither is it a complete one. The sprayed-orange 'Barbie, 'shopped, with plastic boobs' look is simply one example of marketing/peer-to-peer/cultural influence that (while having roots in reproductive behavior) is arguably a lot more complex than 'looking good for [s]Ken[/s] men', even if seemingly shallow.

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edenvalleyboy - Member

@cumberlanddan...question for you. If a group of women told you they thought the calendars were wrong..what would your answer to them be?

I dunno - hoof them all in the slats?

I'd probably say I that I disagreed with their opinion. That would be my opinion which I hope i am entitled to. Why do you interpret an opinion as an instruction in how to think?

Chip above has done quite well too.

Malvern Rider - Member

The women look good for the men. It is not a difficult concept.

Neither is it a complete one.

No. You saw to that by truncating the quote.

Obviously i don't think you have your sword to hand (fnar!!!!) so for 'up in arms' please read 'mild outrage' or whatever the **** you want! :P.

edit:

Trick question? Let me have a pop? Is it because we don't ever experience vicarious 'insight' when other people express the content/s of their mind/s?

You can read minds? That's pretty cool. What am i thinking now? Or do i have to express it by rubbing myself or dribbling or something?

Waaaaaaahhb... Make it stop!!

Is anyone actually up in arms about it though? Seems like most people think it's just a bit tacky and shit.

Pseudo-Darwinians take note!

@cumberlanddan - you are completely entitled to your opinion - i was curious because i guess its easier to debate this amongst guys..

My final point, and its regards the 'freedom to do whatever' argument as expressed by Chip:

Foucault states..."even when individuals think they are most free, they are in fact in the grip of more insidious forms of power, which operate not solely through direct forms of repression but often through less visible strategies of internalisation"

Apologies if that's too much for a Friday afternoon... 😀

Maybe we should abandon free thinking and have grum and binners decide for us what we should think about all things moral. Perhaps they could outlaw such calendars and save the female population from the humiliation of witnessing young women in short skirts and tight strides.

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No. You saw to that by truncating the quote.

Not all, sorry if that's what you got from that, I was disagreeing that we only do what we do (including women in calendars, as per this discussion) to attract the opposite sex, inasmuch as there are a number of ways in which exploitation/conditioning occurs beyond the scope of simply displaying arses and boobs for cash.

Then what is the point?
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Is it this?

Yeah... its exactly that...

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Type "Marie Claire" into Google images then spend a few minutes reading the front-page tempters (I'm not for a minute suggesting you look at the lightly dressed or completely undressed ladies with low body mass indexes). You'll find a mix of:

your body weight/shape is an issue (you are an object)
How to be sexy (a sex object)
How to be beautiful (a beautiful object)
How to be good in bed
George Clooney (sex object of the other sex)
your man and his money (money no object)
Sexy swim suits for Spring
This woman's man is a ****
Kate Moss looks fantastic
Paris Hilton looks fantastic
Make up, hair care, skin products, botox, enhancement, contact lenses, epilation....

And all this objectifying stuff is written by women for women.

Brilliant, thanks for clearing that up.

Malvern Rider - Member

No. You saw to that by truncating the quote.

Not all, sorry if that's what you got from that, I was disagreeing that we only do what we do (including women in calendars, as per this discussion) to attract the opposite sex, inasmuch as there are a number of ways in which exploitation/conditioning occurs beyond the scope of simply displaying arses and boobs for cash.

Quite agree, there's all sorts of exploitation. I'm afraid I don't really see a tatty calendar in that light.

And all this objectifying stuff is written by women for women.

Because society has dictated that that's what they should be interested in. Depressing, isn't it.

And all this objectifying stuff is written by women for women.

I'd be surprised if the people making all the money from pedalling these insecurities, for that is what they're doing, are predominantly female.

But when having accusations of inequality thrown at them, their solution is this.....

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Isn't equality brilliant!!! 😀

I'd never realised before that the primary determinant of male attractiveness is the chin to nips to belly button distance ratio. Thank goodness for the men's health photoshop team for bringing this to my attention.

It's even more depressing when a women who has spent her life writing objectifying stuff for Marie Claire and others "because society has dictated that's what they should be interested in" writes a piece in a Mountain Bike magazine objecting to objectifying.

So the Maxxis calendar is a bit "naff" to quote a previous post, but if women object to being seen as objects then the first thing to protest about is the way women's magazines impose a set of values on women that are based on them doing their utmost to be a desirable object. I hope there won't be too many protesting too hard.

Edit: this place being what it is I've realised that I need to explain that in dancing in France the lady is is generally refered to as the girl, "la fille", even if she's over 60.

Why protest if it works for most of the people most of the time and most of us are quite happy to conform to our gender stereotype. I rock and roll dance. I smarten myself up for the evening, Madame does likewise and we dance the evening away with other people who look smart/sexy. The man leads and the girl follows. I spend my evening counting my steps and thinking a few moves ahead, and girls twirl around at my beckoning adding seductive wiggles and glances. Life must be pretty dull in places where showing a leg/bicep, dancing with random members of the opposite sex and dance music are banned.

I watched a TV documentary about Cap d'Agde, the village for naturistes and libertins. In the day people were simply naked, however in the evening when they wanted to be sexy they dressed up.

If you want pin-up calendars banned, consider carefully what you are wishing for.

Cougar - Moderator

And all this objectifying stuff is written by women for women.

Because society has dictated that that's what they should be interested in. Depressing, isn't it.

OK, so its society's (which is dominated and ruled over by our misogynistic, manipulative male overlords) fault women act like they do?

Please explain to me how a person of male orientation could ever actually 'win' in your world? Seems pretty impossible to me.

but if women object to being seen as objects then the first thing to protest about is the way women's magazines impose a set of values on women that are based on them doing their utmost to be a desirable object.

I believe the odd woman may possibly have noticed this, and may even have raised it as an issue. Possibly. I'd have to check. Actually... they probably don't worry their pretty little heads over such matters.

I rock and roll dance. I smarten myself up for the evening

I'm getting the strangest.....

This is close to being a repeat of this thread:
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/podium-girls-do-they-still-have-a-place-at-races-what-do-you-think

The same exceedingly poor arguments are being rolled out again, and it's like watching flies batting against a window. This thread has developed far beyond the original article it refers to, and it mainly succeeds in highlighting the ingrained sexism of a few ill-informed blokes. I'm not sure i've got the will power to go through this again, and many will perhaps never be convinced because it would mean admitting you're a bit sexist, but here are a few points:

- 'reverse sexism' is no defense against sexism, and merely highlights how ingrained it is, and makes its perpetuation somehow acceptable.
- Social conditioning is a very powerful thing which has been proven. Biological determinism in this argument is a myth, talking about 'evolution' is pretty useless.
- Just because you are blind to the consequences of sexism, does not mean it does not exist or that it has no impact on people's lives or societal values.
- social norm doesn't mean a social right. Because something is 'normal' or commonplace, doesn't mean it is fine. That it is so ingrained, is what makes change so difficult.
- Mutual exclusivity: understand the concept and apply to arguments. Disagreeing with lazy sexism doesn't make someone a 'PC gone mad guardian reading nazi'. People can find other people sexually attractive and also not be sexist. Not being sexist doesn't mean you have to live in a white room like a monk. This list is not exhaustive.
- Women are not all spokespersons for their own gender. It is not the job of every woman to defend or speak up for all of womanhood. It is also not the job of every women to perfectly exhibit and express the tenets of gender equality.
- Not all women are feminists. Really. Some examples may exist of women exhibiting objectifying behaviour of their own free will, and defending sexism/objectification/etc. Holding up these examples as reasons to devalue sexism, doesn't invalidate the arguments for battling sexism itself.
- Conflating sexism with 'mating'. I don't even know where that leap of thinking came from.

There's plenty more of that, but if you're interested you can just type in 'classic misogynist arguments made by idiots' into google, and there's plenty to choose from.

And all this objectifying stuff is written by women for women

The gender of the writers and consumers doesn't matter, though, does it? What matters is the value of what's being written, and whether it has a positive, negative or neutral effect on our society.

Cougar : Jesus Christ, I'm away for 24 hours and the wheels come off.

I've swung the hammer a bit so that adults can talk

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[b]faustus[/b] thanks. Rather good.

To that I'd add people confusing disapproval with censorship, and attacking the messenger rather than the message.

But Its a good lightning rod thread. Flushed out some sexist and selfish attitudes.

If you want pin-up calendars banned, consider carefully what you are wishing for.

First they came for that lass with her norks out.....

Condescending will get you nowhere, Binners. 😉

😉 ... .

Someone else Adele describes as just lovely, and no mention of her "glamour" work.
[url= http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/victoria-pendleton-poses-for-fhm-21780/ ]victoria[/url]

Is it because despite maxxis making her feel stupid, Lisa and Victoria don't. Or is it because criticising Lisa Snowden or Victoria pendleton may conflict with her professional commitments.

If you do search for

There's plenty more of that, but if you're interested you can just type in 'classic misogynist arguments made by idiots' into google, and there's plenty to choose from.

You're not likely to be getting a balanced viewpoint either are you.

There are a large number of garden paths down which we've gaily wandered (you can have that one, I don't care) leading to a great number of goalpost shifted deadends of completely illogical thought. The vast bulk of those are from the 'ban the calendar' brigade.

No-one has yet posted anything which comes remotely close to explaining how this calendar warrants the foot stamping, toys out of the pram article or indeed how it is actually in any way sexist, beyond some vague notion that it perpetuates some kind of societal malaise engendered by having a male dominated misogynistic' society. Which is drivel.

Please explain to me how a person of male orientation could ever actually 'win' in your world?

By treating people as equals, I'd imagine. Maybe you should ask a woman how you can 'win' in [i]their[/i] world, that's kind of the point.

No-one has yet posted anything which comes remotely close to explaining how this calendar warrants the foot stamping, toys out of the pram article or indeed how it is actually in any way sexist

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It's naff and shit at the same time, I'm annoyed at Maxxis 'cause I like their products, beleive there is no room for sexism in MTB'ing and they could have got plenty of positive images of women doing stuff rather than just "looking pretty". Something that they have every right to do if they so wish, women that is not Maxxis.

However flashing your arse (paraphrasing), male or female, is something people like to do and people like to see, in some ways given that the models are getting paid I doubt they are feeling too exploited. We can all wring our hands and suggest all sorts of negative connotations around this type of marketing but people like sex and it's a quick and simple way to get attention. Men and women have body image issues none of this lowest common denominator stuff helps.

I don't like it personally when used in this fashion and I would hope that Maxxis address the level of disquiet the calendar has attracted. Not because I don't think women can stick up for themselves but more the idea that we are so dumb that a nice picture of a female body will make us buy their stuff over how it actually works. It's just sad and pathetic. - Back to Adele.

cumberlandan and chip - i'm not sure I could do a hand clap slow enough to honour your pitiful arguments. But it's enough that you're both showing everyone how blindly sexist you are simply by carrying on.

Yes binners, i'm quite aware of your attitude.

Another sensible one by surroundedbyhills.

Cougar - Moderator

Please explain to me how a person of male orientation could ever actually 'win' in your world?

By treating people as equals, I'd imagine. Maybe you should ask a [b]woman[/b] how you can 'win' in [b]their [/b]world, that's kind of the point.

Does that not sound a bit odd when you read it in your head?

Its not the womans world, its not the mans world, its just the world. Somethings you like, somethings you don't like but people have different opinions and I'm quite happy to let them get on with it.

Adele doesn't seem to be.

cumberlandan and chip - i'm not sure I could do a hand clap slow enough to honour your pitiful arguments. But it's enough that you're both showing everyone how blindly sexist you are simply by carrying on.

What is negative about it?

This is nothing to do with procreation any more. We aren't birds. We choose our mates on all sorts of things. Humans have evolved social pressures, higher thoughts, casual sex, women's magazines and dirty calendars, so the evoution argument is out of the window.

What's negative about your statement about women needing to look pretty for men? Well - what if you're not pretty? Or what if you're insecure, and aren't sure how pretty you are? Why should you be made to think how you look is important? (The same goes for men and women here) You end up with a lot of people feeling insecure and worrying about stuff that they shouldn't be. This makes for unahppiness, and unhappiness is bad.

Another issue I have here is that you're a man, cumberlanddan, and women have told you that they find this calendar offensive, and you are basically telling them they are wrong. I am trying to explain why they might think that way. I think that you think they're wrong because you've no idea what they are talking about. But the reason you have no idea what they are talking about is BECAUSE you're a man.

Make an effort to understand, and LISTEN to what people are telling you so that you may learn.

Imagine you had a problem with your bike, you felt the shock wasn't working properly so you took it into Marks and Spencers, and they told you it was fine, stop worrying about it. You wouldnt' beleive them because you know about bikes and they don't.

Sexism does exist. You THINK it doesn't, because you haven't experienced it. Nowadays it's a bit different to 100 years ago; men don't openly go round saying women shouldn't do things because they are useless. It's more subtle than that.

My daughter loves Star Wars. Her school friend (a boy) upset her by telling her Star Wars was for boys. The boy's mum agreed and told my daughter it was for boys. So she then thought she was doing something wrong, and she wasn't allowed to watch it any more.

What the actual ****? Sexism at work.

Its not the womans world, its not the mans world, its just the world.

That's what you think, unfortunately it's not actually true. As I said, do some more reading.

As its Mad Friday, I thought some beers might be in order. So I've bought some in especially for Chip and Cumberlanddan. Stay classy boys....

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In a totally non-sexist, progressive, totally unlike Jim Davidson, 21st century way. Cheers!!! 😆

If you want pin-up calendars banned

Perhaps we need to express this through the medium of interpretive dance to a Jonny Halliday sound track? (Perhaps not.)

Foucault states..."even when individuals think they are most free, they are in fact in the grip of more insidious forms of power

finally, someone who knows Foucault...

cumberlanddan, and women have told you that they find this calendar offensive, and you are basically telling them they are wrong. I am trying to explain why they might think that way.

I thought it was agreed it was not offensive but tacky, sad and dissapointing.

Larger looks appealing...

And a packet of Big D peanuts please

you seem to know rather a lot about what i think. perhaps we shoudl set some of that right.

1. I do think sexism exists. I don't think this calendar is sexist.
2. "I am a man therefore my opinion in this is devalued" is a [i]fundamentally sexist [/i]attitude
3. I am telling no-one anything. I am simply putting across my opinion. Some people don't seem to like my opinion so are very keen to tell me I'm some sort of neolithic misogynist. Funnily enough I take objection to that.
4. A grown person banning girls from watching star wars is a pillock. Children tend to separate into boys and girls on all sorts of things. This is not sexism, though obviously it could develop if left unchecked into adulthood.

Basically there are quite a few sexists on this thread and they are not the ones saying that the calendar is a bad thing.

@Johnx2 - you have tried Tennants haven't you?

There you go John....

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Anyway... I was talking to this bird, right? Proper tasty she was. Great pair of jugs on 'er! Probably a right goer.....

Keep flying into the window cumberlanddan. The last word isn't the right one.

Binners you are hilarious, you have me down to a T.

binners
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I'm out....

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I just hope you're not relying on withdrawal as a contraceptive method.

Oh come on.... this thread is the gift that just keeps giving. How could I resist? I was only 3 when some of these attitudes were deemed beyond the pale. Its been educational! A trip back in time to a less enlightened age, where self-awareness was a rare quality only displayed by pooftah's... 😆

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Following comments by Binners and Johnx2 I have just had the realisation that dancing rock and roll makes me a grade A sexist in their eyes, and they're right!:

I have never danced rock and roll with a man
I have never asked a man to dance
I dress male for the occasion
I wear suede shoes with low heels
I wear Axe not channel #x
I don't paint my nails or wear lipstick
I refer to women as girls whatever their age
I go to the bar for drinks as do the other men
I lead and get frustrated if the girl doesn't follow
I go to the men's toilet
I don't like dancing with women taller than me (rotor cuff issues)
We make sure women don't have to walk home on their own but aren't worried if men do

Vive la difference!

objectifyplay
verb ob·jec·ti·fy \?b-?jek-t?-?f?\

Simple Definition of objectify : to treat (someone) as an object rather than as a person

Men objectify women - this is sexist
Women objectify men - this is sexist
Women objectify women - this is sexist
Men objectify men - this is sexist

The problem is that the calendar presents only one aspect of the women; portrayed as objects, you know nothing else of them. Were they pictured riding bikes or racing cars then it changes the emphasis and provides a back story that says "Look! there is a women hucking a massive drop, nice technique, what equipment does she use..why it's Maxxis tyres of course" But it doesn't it just says - "nice ass - buy these tyres" If you like this sort of stuff fair enough but it's sad and pathetic and like those Tennants Lager cans it is full of pish.

Cumberlanddan - I think you are wrong and so will most of society, you may not care about this that is your right.

BTW the Maxxis Babes section of their website has been closed.

"I wear Axe not channel #x"

*swoon*

Following comments by B*****s and Johnx2 I have just had the realisation that dancing rock and roll makes me a grade A sexist

Oi that's a bit of a leap. Or should I say [i]grand jeté[/i]?

[quote=surroundedbyhills ]
BTW the Maxxis Babes section of their website has been closed.It's OK. If you can manage the language difficulties, alternatives exist

http://www.maxxis-babes.de/

surroundedbyhills - I'm not sure what you think i think but i suspect you are not entirely correct.

I can see your point, yes, the calendar objectifies women, but to say that that in itself is sexist simply isn't correct. Undesirable, maybe. Crass, certainly. But sexist in and of itself? No.

I'm surprised at Maxxis' reaction there. Another blow struck for the censors I suppose.

Considering no-one here had even heard of it before all this palaver do you now all suddenly feel free and un-objectified, or has it really not made one tiny bit of difference to your life?

I can see your point, yes, the calendar objectifies women, but to say that that in itself is sexist simply isn't correct. Undesirable, maybe. Crass, certainly. But sexist in and of itself? No.

And in a similar triumph of logic.....

Another blow struck for the censors I suppose.

They've taken it down off their Facebook page too. Honestly... its like North Korea round here

😆

On positive representation in advertising, here are a few:

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And then there's fun with gender politics (all Money Supermarket). Refreshingly good?

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"I can see your point, yes, the calendar objectifies women, but to say that that in itself is sexist simply isn't correct. Undesirable, maybe. Crass, certainly. But sexist in and of itself? No."

Er, yes. In the context of the calender the objectification of women is done so for the gratification of men. If you agree that it does objectify then that pretty much defines it as sexist! It places sole importance on the appearance of the woman at the exclusion of other human qualities, done so in order to sell a product.

It would actually make a difference if a few sexists re-thought their ideas on the back of this debate.

The vast bulk of those are from the 'ban the calendar' brigade.

Can you find one single post where anyone has suggested banning the calendar?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

I think you dont understand what the calendar is. It is not a piece of highbrow social commentary. Its a calendar of women, paid for by a tyre manufacturer, to raise money for charity.

Is this a cheap, outdated and misguided concept? Maybe. Is it a blow for misogynists everywhere against women. No.

If you object to calendars of women I suggest you dont wander into any stationery shop anytime soon.

Objectification isn't sexism. By definition. Which you yourself posted.

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The vast bulk of those are from the 'ban the calendar' brigade.

Can you find one single post where anyone has suggested banning the calendar?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

In response to you:

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Though I suspect you wont see the ironing...

You're all bloody crackers.