[Closed] When consensus becomes impossible to ignore?

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Is this about he who should not be named?

TJ is not coming back. Get over it.

I have nothing useful to contribute.

Let's imagine on this forum that there was one guy on his day off trying to get to the bottom of this issue, whilst also trying to promote their product at a show. Would it be reasonable to expect that it may take time to get to the bottom of this issue, even more so when the culprits of the said issue weren't doing as they asked.

Now, the users (for the most part) don't mind too much about the issue itself

Can't be here then.

We're talking about what colour to paint my gazebo, aren't we?

We're talking about what colour to paint my gazebo, aren't we?

That HAS to be a euphemism, shirley!

Drac - Moderator
Let's imagine on this forum that there was one guy on his day off trying to get to the bottom of this issue, whilst also trying to promote their product at a show. Would it be reasonable to expect that it may take time to get to the bottom of this issue, even more so when the culprits of the said issue weren't doing as they asked.

Now, the users (for the most part) don't mind too much about the issue itself
Can't be here then.

Sorry but the bags really are good and yes your S types knackered... 😆

Would it be reasonable to expect that it may take time to get to the bottom of this issue

Or is this a blue squared attachment thread 😆

Quite. I'd be in favour of a sticky issue.

would it be reasonable to have a sticky about an issue that is in hand rather than having multiple threads being opened and closed

Fair suggestion.

I feel the need to post on this thread

And bear

Pink

Quite. I'd be in favour of a sticky issue.

Now that HAS to be, etc....

Drac - Moderator
would it be reasonable to have a sticky about an issue that is in hand rather than having multiple threads being opened and closed
Fair suggestion.

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That's a sensible suggestion. Can it please be made or happen so that everyone can appreciate the issues in hand?

I didn't want to be militant, but this hypothetical issue has been getting on my virtual tits a bit.

That's a sensible suggestion. Can it please be made or happen so that everyone can appreciate the issues in hand?

I can't say it will but I can discuss it with the other mods, we don't make a habit of stickies.

getting on my virtual tits a bit.

we don't make a habit of stickies.

You don't make a habit of rogue intrusive ads either - but they seem more frequent that they are are because you don't communicate known issues clearly to the whole forum user base rather than just the frequent thread-clickers

You don't make a habit of rogue intrusive ads either - but they seem more frequent that they are are because you don't communicate known issues clearly to the whole forum user base rather than just the frequent thread-clickers

WOW!

Sticky pics of your virtual tits

Finbarr Saunders has just retired in high dudgeon. 😆

Oh, and thanks to Drac.

On serious note, I don't think most sensible folk have a problem if they are engaged and reasoned with. They may not like it, but if they are given a fair hearing and an explanation then they can at least make up their minds to compromise or flounce.

I'll have the salmon.

On serious note, I don't think most sensible folk have a problem if they are engaged and reasoned with. They may not like it, but if they are given a fair hearing and an explanation then they can at least make up their minds to compromise or flounce.

I agree. I've asked about the sticky suggestion and communicated on here why it may not happen, appears for some that wasn't good enough.

I sent an email to ask to stop my mag-subscription auto renewal a few days ago, because I originally subscribed to support the forum as someone that has used it plenty for information, yet now it's just too much of a PITA with being logged out every few minutes from mobile and the fact work computer can't even load the page.

A sticky would give me some faith that something is being done to provide a balance, rather than threads just being closed, or nuked.

Where are these pics of sticky tits then?

A sticky would give me some faith that something is being done to provide a balance, rather than threads just being closed, or nuked.

They're is usually a link to the thread that has the answers in, we close the threads to try and narrow them down to the on as a point of communication. But yes I do agree as clear answer as a sticky may help. However, half of the issue is that Mark is also being told that something is being done, hence his replies, but this isn't always happening as he planned.

Mark is at the bike show this weekend so he is only checking here and his emails occasionally so that is slowing the soloution too.

I think it's a shame that we are not allowed to mention an alternative solution to the unmentionable problem. After all, surely lots of people have discovered and indeed use it?

Where are these pics of sticky tits then?

A compromise.

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think it's a shame that we are not allowed to mention an alternative solution to the unmentionable problem. After all, surely lots of people have discovered and indeed use it?

We don't deny that but we don't want them promoted on the forum as it'll reduce the income from ads even more which would result in them looking at alternatives way to pay for the forum. The most likely would be subscription only which is not what they want.

They're is usually a link to the thread that has the answers in, we close the threads to try and narrow them down to the on as a point of communication. But yes I do agree as clear answer as a sticky may help. However, half of the issue is that Mark is also being told that something is being done, hence his replies, but this isn't always happening as he planned.

Mark is at the bike show this weekend so he is only checking here and his emails occasionally so that is slowing the soloution too.

Fair enough. You lot probably have lives to lead outside of playing dinner lady to the kids playground that is often STW.

If someone was to put it in stark terms, then I'd feel I could make an informed choice. Something along the lines of "if we totally removed the <ahem> from the site your subs would have to go up to £x per year, or if we removed the more intrusive <ahem>, it would be £y.

I may be too much of a simpleton for this, but I don't think I'm unreasonable. Except when it comes to classic English bitter marketing itself as pale ale. Or wheel size. Or access rights..............

Sticky Tits? I'm guessing this is to do with that Valentine's Day thread then. Am I right?

If someone was to put it in stark terms, then I'd feel I could make an informed choice. Something along the lines of "if we totally removed the <ahem> from the site your subs would have to go up to £x per year, or if we removed the more intrusive <ahem>, it would be £y.

I may be too much of a simpleton for this, but I don't think I'm unreasonable. Except when it comes to classic English bitter marketing itself as pale ale. Or wheel size. Or access rights..............

Mark has done it previously so if I get the chance I'll see if I can find a post.

Nah! You have a rubbish taste in beer. 😆

We don't deny that but we don't want them promoted on the forum as it'll reduce the income from ads even more which would result in them looking at alternatives way to pay for the forum.

Having fallen foul of this recently I'd have to say that it's not a rule I'd quibble with as if the boot was on the other foot I'd do the same. It's a fair cop (but society's to blame....)

did someone mention gazebos

Mark has done it previously so if I get the chance I'll see if I can find a post.

That would be great.

Nah! You have a rubbish taste in beer.

Oh dear. I won't be able to read it now. I have awarded you a two day holiday from having your replies read by me. The reason being "overstepping the mark and hurting a man in a gratuitous way".

Touché.

Mark is at the bike show this weekend so he is only checking here and his emails occasionally so that is slowing the soloution too.

Come on, the site has been a joke for a while now.

I'm not trying to bash anyone, this is a great place with a lot of flack taken by people (Mods) that shouldn't have to etc, but with the level of discontent that is being conveyed over the last few months, the angle of 'we're sorting this' seems to be taken with the advertisers being the customer, rather than 'us'.

It's not my area of expertise, so that might be the case and from a profit POV possibly most sensible, just saying how it seems to me 😀

Come on, the site has been a joke for a while now.

Sigh! I'm explaining why there's an added issue this weekend. He's been trying to resolve it over the last week.

Sigh, I'm talking 4 months or thereabouts, IME. 😀

it's just too much of a PITA with being logged out every few minutes

With respect, I get logged out maybe once a month, a little more if I change devices, so if you're getting logged out "every few minutes" I'd hazard it's a problem at your end.

Sigh, I'm talking 4 months or thereabouts, IME

But not the current ones. The others have been fixed these recent ones he is trying to fix.

I've done the 'it's your device' checks and even if I hadn't, why should I if other sites don't put me through the same process just to view?

Seriously though, I don't have a strong stance on either side of the argument, just in my experience STW is becoming a pain in the proverbial. It's up to individuals to do what they want. My choice is to cancel mag subscription, I'll decide what to do after that's ended.

That's it. Up to the overlords what to do with their company, not me 😀

Strangely, I've never had any problems with the forum, on variety of devices, but I am a subscriber. In a way I wondered what all the fuss was about.

A few minutes ago a notification popped up on Facebook about the deputy editor, Jenn, winning some award. I clicked the link and it was unreadable due a big green ad for banking.

Pretty crap that interested people can't open such articles and will no doubt be a 'turn off' to many potential customers (yours, not the bank with the big advert)

customers

😀

^^^ I thought it was better than subscribers, lurkers, bighitters and freeloaders 😀

I think I'd go with 'service users'

Well I just tried it again, on same tablet, and the big green ad that obscured all the story is no longer...

That's good, and great to be able to read about the award - well done Deputy Ed Jenn !

Bourne is that you?

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Just to confirm.We are still talking about whether crown races come with headsets are'nt we?

Yes finally progress.

Disappointing that first steps were denial, closing threads, threats of bans.

Then promises that didn't hold up to scrutiny. But finally solutions, at least so it seems.

Anyone got any recommendations for a new watch. Let me know if any ideas happen to pop up!!! 😉

Well good to know I highlighted this issue on Friday morning but sweet **** all was done.

Quite frankly blaming the ad providers is poor imo, it's your site and therfore your responsibility to check it works correctly as ultimately it's your reputation on the line.

Quite frankly blaming the ad providers is poor imo, it's your site and therfore your responsibility to check it works correctly as ultimately it's your reputation on the line.

Now this obviously comes across as a "P" apologist but one of the things that nobody has suggested from the "We don't like ads" camp is how would you fund something like this?

...nobody has suggested from the "We don't like ads" camp is how would you fund something like this?

I'm not in the 'no ads camp' as I don't see any ads in my laptop browser and the problematic ones have never appeared on my iOS device. I understand the need for ads, though they have been getting bigger and bigger over the last few months and make the site look one of those shitty free newsletters that end up in most people's bin without ever being looked at.

Maybe if some investment went into the site with, say, additional forums for particular topics like maintenance or user reviews or trail guides/maps. Perhaps a PM service, avatars, rep-system? If the Ps want a fancy, pleb-free zone for their circle-jerks, let 'em have it. They'll sharp bore themselves to destruction, plus it'll keep the 'public' forums fresh and a bit less déjà vu.

Take a look at the variety of forums on MTBR. Granted, they have more because their demographic is broader and more global; but it at least shows what's marketable. Ads don't need to be massive because people are there to satisfy their interest in bikes and accessories. The content is good enough to make them even more interested and they click on adverts because they're in the market for things.

there's some self important ****ing petty minded little misers in the world isn't there..?

send the complainers round to my house and I'll poke 'em all in the eye with a shitty stick..

for free! cos I'm nice 🙂

errr, why don't I experience any problems on my devices?

i m with yunki.. no problems here. bottom line stuff has to be paid for by me or advertisers i d prefer they pay. i subscribe as well, its obscenely good value obscenely good.

those who shout loudest arent necessarily right and i d prefer the bloke at the bike show concentrated on that than a couple of pop up ads..

You can either buy the P or take the Pee.
A simple choice.
If you decide to take the Pee by not paying then don't complain about ads.

yunki - Member

errr, why don't I experience any problems on my devices?

Because you are such a worthless demographic that nobody will [s]waste[/s] spend money marketing to you! 😉

Bikeradar has been doing this for a while. I've noticed it changed the way I use the site.

i.e. I don't go there any more.

[i]being logged out every few minutes[/i]

Not just me then? It doesn't matter if I'm browsing on an Android Smartphone, a Chromebook, Windows 8 at work or my wife's Android tablet, I consistently have to log in at least once every 24hrs if not sooner (I logged in last night and just had to log in again to post this). Sometimes I see the 'log in to reply', and just don't.

So is the log in / log out thing done deliberately so there are more ads seen?

* not meant in an inflammatory way just curious as i cant be arsed to read up on this

You P's have got it all wrong. Mark confirmed on one of these threads there were 10's of 1000's of page hits per month (~75k IIRC) Now that's not you lot.

Don't forget, the vast majority of the site traffic must be non P and that's what's really helping fund the site. Your pathetic £1.49 and accompanying sense of superiority is not doing it. The trite response of 'just subscribe' etc won't help as if everyone did it, the advertising would be totally non effective as you can choose to switch it off. It would then, presumably, stop. End of income stream.

Advertising is part of modern Web life it just needs to be a bit less intrusive here.

I do worry about the 'pay up of eff off' type responses.

That and overly intrusive advertising could easily make the place unwelcoming to potential newbies. Which can't be healthy.

As for advertising being enough. I'd need to see some numbers tbh.

Out of curiosity, does anybody use a paid access only forum?

Out of curiosity, does anybody use a paid access only forum?

Well, not one I'd care to mention in public. 🙂

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Hmmm subs vs ads.

just read this thread, i don't seem to have a problem with logging in/out. but i never get the popups everybody is talking about ( no idea why ! )

Three fish - every time the subject of sub-forums, avatars etc comes up it is thoroughly shouted down by the majority of the regular users. With good reason.

Boblo/piemonster - I've assumed that £1.49 per month has been set as [i]at least[/i] as much as the value obtained through advertising.

It would seem that some are getting a larger share of the irritation than others,would that be true? Not complaining but bit of a double whammy being a user of a certain bank and using a tab to view the site. 😥

Out of curiosity, does anybody use a paid access only forum?

No. The only one I've come across is Nikonians and I stopped using it when it went paid only. Life went on, somehow.

Has it crossed anyone's mind that this could be an evil but very deliberate plan, hatched by those evil capitalist bastards at Singletrack Towers, to have a cull of the [s]whiney, freeloading, middle-class cock bags, and they're endless petty bleating and tight-wadded sense of entitlement[/s] non-Premier members?

Mark isn't at a bike show at all. He's sat in his Todmerden mansion, surrounded by gold-plated unicorns, in a sea of bank notes, naked hookers, and piles of cocaine, swilling champagne. All paid for by the untold millions he earns from forcing advertising onto the poor, naive, unsuspecting forumites.

The bastard! He's mocking you!!

Bugger, I was hoping the Fat Bike forum was pay only.

Would have explained why I couldn't get access.

That just leaves me with the fact I tried to register with the same forum name as here, probably a mistake. Can't say I blame them.

Boblo/piemonster - I've assumed that £1.49 per month has been set as at least as much as the value obtained through advertising.

That was my guess as well.

Mark isn't at a bike show at all. He's sat in his Todmerden mansion, surrounded by gold-plated unicorns, in a sea of bank notes, naked hookers, and piles of cocaine, swilling champagne. All paid for by the untold millions he earns from forcing advertising onto the poor, naive, unsuspecting forumites.

Shit he's on to us Mark. Quick hide the Hookers, wait the coke, no wait the errrrr! Runnnnnn!

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Sly buggers hidden the lot

Three fish - every time the subject of sub-forums, avatars etc comes up it is thoroughly shouted down by the majority of the regular users. With good reason

With good reason? What does that mean? I could interpret it to mean 'because the shouty ones are so uncomfortable with change', though I have a feeling that's not what you meant. It seems sometimes like there's a cluster of users who want STW to be an exclusive little niche, like a snug in a pub, where strangers are only welcome if they sign up to 'the way'. If that's what STW want, then forums and classifieds should be subs only. If not, they need to be conscious of the atmosphere that is created by the two-tier system. As I already said in a post yesterday, the ad revenue marketing value of the statistical crowd of non-P users is worth more than many here would like to admit. The 'P' is subsidised by the footfall of 'freeloaders'; the site is dependent on the footfall of lurkers and passers-by.

The elitism coming from the pay-up-or-****-off people is grotesque, very ugly indeed. It's their self-righteous, tree-house boys' club experience that they're happy to pay for, not the basic format, which, to be fair, is about as bland as it's possible to be. It's a hang-out, not a resource. What's amazing is that anyone thinks that it's OK to charge/pay for it; however that's not really how it is coming across. It's coercive: you pay to not be saturated with advertising, not for content.

Spoke too soon.....open up STW....it's like the Book of Mormon..."hello, I'm lloyds private bank"....,shut the page and try again with the mods thread..."hello, I'm lloyds private bank, Im here to stop you reading the pages....". Two full page killer ads immediately.

Another deadline unfulfilled. So still "very poor"

As I already said in a post yesterday, the ad revenue marketing value of the statistical crowd of non-P users is worth more than many here would like to admit. The 'P' is subsidised by the footfall of 'freeloaders'; the site is dependent on the footfall of lurkers and passers-by.

Sssshhhhh, don't spoil the fluffy story with the hard, cold truth of commerce!!!

The elitism coming from the pay-up-or-****-off people is grotesque, very ugly indeed. It's their self-righteous, tree-house boys' club experience that they're happy to pay for, not the basic format, which, to be fair, is about as bland as it's possible to be.

As for sub forums just one for all the road crap....

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Move along, I didn't miss read anything

you can view the site with ads for free

Thm - you of all people know the miracle that our truly wonderful, capitalist, consumer society has delivered unto us - and Lord knows I for one will be eternally grateful - that of 'choice'

So your choice is quite simple:

1. Subscribe - don't see any adverts
2. Don't - do*

* and then possibly exercise your right in a free society, to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it, starting threads of endless whiney bitching and self-entitled, huffy, faux-righteous, indignant moaning

Another deadline unfulfilled. So still "very poor"

Seriously..."deadline"? Who imposed a deadline? As far as I can see, a few people said a few people might try and get it sorted. It's the weekend FFS, go and ride your bike or go and get dressed in your whites, knock up a few sets with your mates at the tennis club and stop whinging about it already.

You see, the way I see it, I don't pay, so I don't whinge about it. I might take the piss a bit on these threads, but other than that, I don't contribute financially, so unlike, say common-sense posters like bearnecessities, there's nothing constructive to add from me. I don't or can't offer advice on bikes as I don't know anything near what many others here do. Other than continuing support on timber flooring threads or advice to anyone coming to Bristol, I bring nothing here.

So ask yourself thm, other than your economics 101 tutorials to the impertinent unwashed, what do YOU bring to justify your free use of the forum? Trolling JY passive aggressively? Trolling "the left" passive aggressively? Whinging on advertising threads? Whinging on religion threads? In the words of another mod, "your name is attached to so many moderator emails..." that one has to start wondering which of your debit or credit columns is longer. So, what [i]actual[/i] use are you here?