[Closed] Unreasonable or unfit for purpose?

Indeed . Bricks would come under that generic term for stuff but that doesn't make it a good idea.

anyone that can do a proper formatted post on here

Talk about unrealistic expectations 😆

Yeah, they don’t even specifically tell you not to put a scalpel in it.

It's not a question of scalpels or what's in the dry bag vs outside but in the rucksack.

I'd want to put a phone charger plug or car and house keys attached to my electronic car key somewhere dry... I might even own some of those new fangled clothes with zips...

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I’d want to put a phone charger plug or car and house keys attached to my electronic car key somewhere dry… I might even own some of those new fangled clothes with zips…"

well to be on the safe side you might want to stick those items into a dry bag designed for such as perhaps a pvc /tarpaulin one as oppose to a light weight one. be a bit of a bollocks if your car keys got wet.

well to be on the safe side you might want to stick those items into a dry bag designed for such as perhaps a pvc /tarpaulin one as oppose to a light weight one. be a bit of a bollocks if your car keys got wet.

Zip-lock plastic bags work fine... but I'd still be pissed if I bought a dry bag and had to pack everything that REALLY needs keeping dry separately... and wrap everything else up.(both inside or outside).. it's defeated the purpose for me which is having loads of separate bags.

I'm not fussed about my multitool or my pump getting damp but having to put it into a bag to protect a dry bag even when these are outside the dry bag just defeats the purpose of a bag to keep stuff dry. I mightest well just use a load of plastic bags...

Holy shit, 5 pages.

Holy shit, 5 pages.

Makes me feel all nostalgic

Zip-lock plastic bags work fine… but I’d still be pissed if I bought a dry bag and had to pack everything that REALLY needs keeping dry separately… and wrap everything else up.(both inside or outside).. it’s defeated the purpose for me which is having loads of separate bags.

That's why you buy a suitably tough dry bag.  Not a lightweight one.

The light one would be fine if the contents were wrapped in something. It doesn't take a genius to figue this out. I have no idea how some people on here have actually managed to make it through life.

That’s why you buy a suitably tough dry bag.  Not a lightweight one.

What about one that claims to be tough and lightweight? Sounds perfect.

What about one that claims to be tough and lightweight? Sounds perfect.

Tough ≠ indestructible.

The old one wasn't indestructible, it only lasted a few years, she's not complaining about that one, seems a reasonable about of time for it to last. One that claims to be tough and is used in the same way should last a similar amount of time, or at least more than one ride

"What about one that claims to be tough and lightweight? Sounds perfect"

or ambitious.

https://www.alpkit.com/products/airlok-xtra-3-litre

now id have been pissed if it was this one that wore through in a single ride - now if we notice it doesnt claim to be lightweight.

The light one would be fine if the contents were wrapped in something. It doesn’t take a genius to figue this out. I have no idea how some people on here have actually managed to make it through life.

By becoming armchair experts in consumer law apparently.

What about one that claims to be tough and lightweight? Sounds perfect.

Yes it does.  'Tough' on it's own doesn't really mean anything.  'Suitably tough' however means it is fit for purpose :-).

One that claims to be tough and is used in the same way should last a similar amount of time

Not if we take into account that the OP has actually [b]Seen[/b] both of them.

I will bet they aren’t the same.

As I said earlier, I have one of the Osprey Ultralight ones like the OP is complaining about. They are virtually see through, and no thicker than cling film!

It really is is [b]obvious[/b] they won’t handle heavy metal stuff bouncing around against the fabric.

“Tough” in comparison to other Ultralight dry bags maybe, but unless this was bought, and used, blind. Then I can’t see how the OP genuinely thought it was going to be “tough” in the general sense of the word.

One that claims to be tough and is used in the same way should last a similar amount of time, or at least more than one ride

I think that if you're daft enough to leave metal objects rattling around it, you get what you deserve.

“Tough” in comparison to other Ultralight dry bags maybe, but unless this was bought, and used, blind. Then I can’t see how the OP genuinely thought it was going to be “tough” in the general sense of the word.

I've not seen the bag in the flesh but I'd expect it to be as tough as a kids balloon or some catering grade cling film, both of which I'd expect to hold a folded multitool or leatherman.

Even perhaps I'd expect it to be "as tough" as a cheap hydration sack or a soup saver type bag... I'd be expecting to be able to put a pump in the bag without wrapping the pump up in protective wrapping... and take it out and put it back...

I'm not talking carrying spare spokes or an open tool, tent pegs or a fork ... just everyday cycling or walking stuff...  or clothes with a zip*... etc.

*I mention this due to the recent purchase of some 'trail shorts' ... which were advertised as lightweight...

The first time I wore them the zip tab broke in the back pocket just sitting on it.. before I even got to the trail.. that was just sitting in the car.  I guess strictly speaking they are not designed to be work sat in a car or sitting in a chair... Funkier probably "presume" you have some liners and and take them off at lunch time to sit down to prevent damaging them and they are not designed to be worn in a car so my expectations are unrealistic (based on the comments on this thread)?

Perhaps they are just meant to be carried in a nice protective waterproof bag not actually worn though with all the broken zip tabs I fear they would wreck this bag in minutes?

I’ve not seen the bag in the flesh but I’d expect it to be as tough as a kids balloon or some catering grade cling film, both of which I’d expect to hold a folded multitool or leatherman.

I'd expect neither of those materials to be tough enough not to get damaged while containing metal items being repeatedly jiggled about in a backpack.

The first time I wore them the zip tab broke in the back pocket just sitting on it.. before I even got to the trail.. that was just sitting in the car.  I guess strictly speaking they are not designed to be work sat in a car or sitting in a chair… Funkier probably “presume” you have some liners and and take them off at lunch time to sit down to prevent damaging them and they are not designed to be worn in a car so my expectations are unrealistic (based on the comments on this thread)?

**Stares blankly**  What a fantastic analogy.  No, I think being able to sit in a pair of shorts withiout the zip breaking is a reasonable expectation.  Unfortunately it has nothing to do with the OP's magic dry bag.

I’d expect neither of those materials to be tough enough not to get damaged while containing metal items being repeatedly jiggled about in a backpack.

Try it ... I'm not saying the lifetime won't be shorter than filling them with cotton wool but so long as you don't put anything sharp .. like say a blister pack of tablets .. Same with the new fivers and tenners...  what I'm expecting is some application of materials technology to fit the purpose...

So take the new banknotes as a metric ... anything advertised to stick inside a rucksack (at least of that 3L size) needs to be of similar durably to a banknote.  It's not just what you put in the bag but what else might be in the rucksack.... If I have to wrap my mutlitool and pump and puncture repair kit before i dare stick them in the same bag it's pretty useless being ultralight....

**Stares blankly**  What a fantastic analogy.  No, I think being able to sit in a pair of shorts withiout the zip breaking is a reasonable expectation.

It's a dry bag ... you stick stuff in it in a rucksack and it keeps them dry ... I'd expect to need to wrap a tent peg, fork or spare spoke... but not a multitool or puncture repair kit.

My expectation is just that plus i expect to be able to take stuff in and out of the rucksack with reasonable care. I'm not saying I expect to be able to ram the pump in ... but I should be able to take it in and out without fearing it will rip the dry bag.

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with the OP’s magic dry bag.

For me its a reasonable expectation I need to sit down other than on a saddle... I'm sure on a saddle the zips are fine... (well that doesn't explain the side one but...) but I'd expect trail shorts to be tough enough to sit in the car or on a bench at lunch... in the same way I expect to pack things other than clothing without zips... in a rucksack... and the dry bag shouldn't significantly change that or to be honest why not just use a ziplock bag?

I have a thin down coat I can compress and get into a thin ziplock bag.... it's been carried all over in the same rucksack as my pump and multi-tool and it stays airtight at least as long as I want to leave the down compressed.  It's not even designed to be tough or used that way ... so I'd expect the dry bag to at least perform to the same... if not better standards as it's supposedly designed for that purpose.

Yawn, still not getting it.

Is it time to blast the communications desk, Han Solo style, on this?  Boring conversation anyway.  Someone let me know if anyone adds anything interesting :-).

Yawn, still not getting it.

It's not really what you said... that is actually sensible discussion ... I think you'd be quite surprised by how tough the catering cling film is but that's debate... as is what is 'tough' for a dry bag...

The point is the lengths so go to to ridicule the OP... equating a multitool with a scalpel ...

take your catering cling film + a  hard object and knock it against another hard object with the clingfilm between  - now do that a few thousand times over the course of a ride.

take your catering cling film + a  hard object and knock it against another hard object with the clingfilm between  – now do that a few thousand times over the course of a ride.

So like sticking your change in some cling film or little thin bag and then sticking it in the same rucksack pocket with a multi-tool and another little bag with a chain link to two?  (I'm not worried about the change getting wet it just keeps it easy to get to... )

See I do that almost every ride.  In fact the bags are only out at the moment because I washed the rucksack... unless I ride without a rucksack they are usually in the same pocket ... and these are just bags I have hanging about... one of them is at least 2 yrs old as it's the one my mech hangar came in.

well there you go , market the bag your mech came in as a robust dry bag and i think we found you a customer - its clearly a more suitable choice than a bag designed for soft goods.

 its clearly a more suitable choice than a bag designed for soft goods.

If its only designed for soft goods don't you think it should say so?  This information is specifically mousing rom their website.

Waterproof protection for all your gear. Free shipping available – Fast delivery.

Organise and protect.  Made from Siliconised ripstop nylon, our Ultralight range of drysacks are designed to keep your gear protected no matter how wet it gets. We know that your equipment and organisation requires a degree of flexibility, that's why we've created our drysacks in a range of sizes, from 3L to 30L and in a variety of eye catching colours. Equipped with a fully waterproof roll-top closure, coated fabric and taped seams our drysacks ensure that your gear stays dry in all conditions. Unlike other drysacks, they have a rectangular shape, which results in more efficient packing. When removed from your backpack, they're able to stand unaided. What are you waiting for - make sure your gear is organised and protected.

The issue seems to be it hasn't been designed as a rucksack dry bag  at all ... if it performs less well than 50 for a pound zip locks.... though they can't stand up unaided .. they are 50 for 12 quid if you want that.

I have a thin down coat I can compress and get into a thin ziplock bag…. it’s been carried all over in the same rucksack as my pump and multi-tool and it stays airtight at least as long as I want to leave the down compressed.  It’s not even designed to be tough or used that way … so I’d expect the dry bag to at least perform to the same…

So you [b]don’t [/b]put heavy metal stuff or tools inside the “drybag” then??

Hey...That sounds like a really good Idea.

Maybe the OP should try that, I’m pretty sure* they would still have a functioning drybag if they did.

*I actually know they would, because that’s exactly how I use my Osprey Drybag (same as the OP’s but a bit bigger).

and it’s still going strong after a fair bit of use

I just don’t put metal tools/multitools/heavy stuff in it. I put that in my rucksack along with the drybag full of clothes. Hey presto, it works fine...