[Closed] Rockshox Lyrik Settings

160mm 29er debonair, I'm 80-85kg on a Nukeproof Mega.
Run 70-75psi, 2 spacers, rebound is 16clicks from open and compression is fully open.

Used a shockwiz and it suggested everything was good as it is. I get full travel on most rides, but no harsh bottom outs

170mm - 1 spacer - dunno the PSI.

Compression fully open and rebound somewhere in the middle.

29er 170mm, 1 spacer, 55psi, no compression, 9 clicks from slow rebound.

Thanks everyone.

I should have said what I was running...
72kg. 75psi, 3 tokens, 2 clicks of LSC.

Using up all but the last ~1cm, after doing a day of uplift.

Is it feeling good? I'd drop a token and/or a bit of pressure in the first instance.

I'm going down that exact route. At the moment it feels like my 2018 debonair Pike, which is a good thing, but that doesn't have the 2019 debonair air assy - so should feel noticeably better.

You haven't mentioned if it's a 29 or 27.5 fork - this makes a big difference to the spring volume, and therefore pressure/token settings.

I didn't think it made a difference, as the air spring assy is the same between 27.5 and 29er Lyriks.

I'm easily wrong though!

It's a 150mm 29er Pike, 2018 version with the RCT3 charger 2 damper, but the latest 2019 Debonair Air Assy

The spring assembly (i.e the shaft & seal head) is the same for both, but the length of the fork above the seal head is different, so different air volume.
This is why of you look at RS's recommended number of tokens, it's different for 27.5 and 29 forks.

This is why of you look at RS’s recommended number of tokens, it’s different for 27.5 and 29 forks.

It's different for Pikes, but for every other fork - including Yari and Lyrik it's the same, regardless of 27.5 or 29.

Interesting, I guess something in the newer 29er castings corrects the positive air chamber volume to match the 27.5

I’m running two tokens (stock) in a 2019 Lyrik RC2 160mm 29er. HSC open. LSC close to open (still fiddling). Rebound wherever it feels right. About 90psi which gives about 25% sag under 86kg of me and 20+kg of Turbo Levo. Feels really bloody good!

I need around 85 - 90psi to get less than 30% sag. I'm assuming the larger negative volume means you end up running more sag than usual, and need to go by feel and PSI, rather than sag...

Interesting, I guess something in the newer 29er castings corrects the positive air chamber volume to match the 27.5

It changed with the release of the B1 2018 on Pike, they all use the same air springs to achieve the same travel regardless of wheel size.

Well ... Had a razz around GT, and ended up with 70psi, 4 clicks of LSC, 2 tokens.

30% or more sag... But the fork feels pretty uncontrolled and harsh with less sag.

Felt pretty nice and stable down Trail Fairy, which is quite burly.

I've never run that amount of sag, and usually like a high riding fork. But the Lyrik seems to work much better at lower pressures and higher sag point

That isn't even that much compression you've added to make up for that amount of sag.

Try running faster rebound than the ridiculously closed positions suggested on here, to keep the fork running in the softer part of it's travel, remove a token to keep the ending stroke rebound more controlled and reduce the sag.

The forks will feel harsh and uncontrolled because of how progressive the fork has been setup combined with the dead rebound, you'll be packing down in the midstroke and building up a huge amount of force that will get returned to you by eating into the really progressive end stroke.

A lot of people are riding these forks at the recommended PSI setting but with either only 1 token or all the tokens removed.

A lot of people are riding these forks at the recommended PSI setting but with either only 1 token or all the tokens removed.

I tend to run my rebound as fast as I can, without it becoming pogo-ey.

If I remove a token, at the sag I've got, I'm going to bottom out a lot. With the two tokens, I've got more space to run less sag and not bottom. Left with about 1cm with 30% sag, and 2 tokens after a general run down stuff, a mix of trail center and DH/Enduro trails.

The feeling I had before was the same I'd get with too much HSC dialled in. But I've got the RCT3 damper, so it'd need re-shimming to adjust the HSC.

If I remove a token, at the sag I’ve got, I’m going to bottom out a lot. With the two tokens, I’ve got more space to run less sag and not bottom. Left with about 1cm with 30% sag, and 2 tokens after a general run down stuff, a mix of trail center and DH/Enduro trails.

Run less sag and remove the token, simple. The fork will rebound quicker in it's midstroke and stay in the softer part of it's travel without gettimg the horrible kicking mule feeling that you get with overly progressive set ups.

As above bin all the tokens and run less sag. at 30% you'll have barely any platform to push from and it'll shoot through it's midstroke until it hits the stupid token induced ramp up.

Felt pretty nice and stable down Trail Fairy, which is quite burly.

No it isn't. infact it's just had a scrape/makeover and is smoother and easier than it ever has been.

No it isn’t. infact it’s just had a scrape/makeover and is smoother and easier than it ever has been.

Tomato, Tomato.... I think it's burly compared to the other trails in the valley.

Run less sag and remove the token, simple.

100 psi, and 0 tokens - the fork felt brilliant on less steep trails - but felt way to linear. Back up to 1 token, and dropped 5 psi to see how that goes at the Golfie.

I still feel my pressures are way too high for my weight, even at 100 psi I'm just over 25% sag. 165lb shouldn't be 100psi!

depends how you're measuring the sag.
Let's for a minute ignore your sag measurement.
How much travel are you using with 100psi during a ride?
and how much travel can you use by rolling along slowly and simultaneously slamming on the front brake while using all your weight/strength on the bars to compress the fork.

I don't really get how any air fork can feel way too linear considering coil springs are linear and no one ever complains about those.

Just noticed this.

I should have said what I was running…
72kg. 75psi, 3 tokens, 2 clicks of LSC.

Using up all but the last ~1cm, after doing a day of uplift.

Assuming you mean inners uplift. 10mm off full travel sounds about right. Unless I mess up humongously there's nothing big enough to bottom my forks at inners the way I like them set up. (got 2x 170mm lyriks - on E/Enduro bikes 80/85psi no tokens in either and I'm 20kg heavier than you).
I prefer good support but a more linear spring over small bump sensitivity or pregression and find my Lyriks work better the harder I ride.

Should always be leaving an inch of travel left unused under normal descending conditions, as backup for if you huck to flat or do a proper nose dive into or off something.

100 psi, and 0 tokens – the fork felt brilliant on less steep trails – but felt way to linear. Back up to 1 token, and dropped 5 psi to see how that goes at the Golfie.
I still feel my pressures are way too high for my weight, even at 100 psi I’m just over 25% sag. 165lb shouldn’t be 100psi!

Have you considered that your shock pump is borked?

Linear is good in the steeps, it means you have more midstroke support and thus a higher dynamic ride height and more travel left in reserve.

You might noticing the spikey rebound and high speed circuits in the MK1 Charger damper as well I guess. The FAST damper conversion solved all the issues with the original charger damper, I believe it served as inspiration for the Charger 2 - but I don't think you can get it anymore.

You might noticing the spikey rebound and high speed circuits in the MK1 Charger damper as well I guess

I'm running the Charger 2 damper, just the RCT3 version, rather than the RC2.

I did find the level of adjustment a bit poor on the LSC, with feeling like I'm between clicks.

Cheers for the help so far chaps, I've never had an issue with fork setup. I've run Fox 32/34/36 Grip, RC2, FIT4... Rockshox MoCo, Charger 1 and 2 on SIDs, Reba, Revs, Pike.. MRP Stage...

Which is why I'm struggling a bit with these for some reason.

Linear is good in the steeps, it means you have more midstroke support and thus a higher dynamic ride height and more travel left in reserve.

That's generally what I prefer too, but was going through the travel a bit too quick at Inners yesterday. I could have upped the pressure, but I'd be running like 120psi then!

On my FS I run my 160mm Lyriks with a luftkappe fitted at 55-60 psi no tokens. Forks also have Andreani Piston fitted, probably the best forks I've ridden. I'm no lightweight but running 100+psi would be awful for me

10er on your shock pump or air valve being borked.

Are you actually using too much travel - or are you using more than usual off features you practice a lot on or is it a more general feeling of the fork collapsing beneath you in rock gardens?

Maybe the transfer pot is blocked with shit and the negative spring has too much pressure in it? Meaning you are getting too much sag for a given pressure.

I still feel my pressures are way too high for my weight, even at 100 psi I’m just over 25% sag. 165lb shouldn’t be 100psi!

That does seem quite high. I'm 155lb and run about 70psi and one token in my 150mm Lyrik with the new 2019 debonair piston (and charger 2 RCT3).

Problem with setting sag on a fork , you will practically never get the same reading twice, Ive found last couple bikes/forks Ive had the recommended pressure have been pretty much spot on nowadays ,150mm pike which I ran around 85psi and Fox36 around 89psi, I removed tokens on both forks and ran recommended psi, give or take here and there, that give me around 20%sag, any more the fork feels terrible, no support and sits far too far in travel and no confidence on any steeps, etc golfie, your 100psi seems over excessive, I would be putting about 75psi and trying it.

Using up all but the last ~1cm, after doing a day of uplift.

I wouldnt get caught up in this ,'using every bit of travel', so what if you more left over, it will always be there when needed, does the fork feel good, do you feel confident, does the bike feel stable and balanced , maybe your riding doesnt justify using every bit of travel, no matter how rad you may think you are 😉

Agreed re. sag, I just set a pressure and see how it feels and whether I'm getting close to full travel when I should be.

Fork felt fine today at the Golfie. Was pretty hard ground as it's so cold, so a good test.

With 95psi, and 1 token used all but about an inch of travel. Definitely feels better with less tokens. I may cut one token in half, as it felt buttery with zero, and much more stable with one.

I don't think the transfer port is blocked, it's not sticking down, does equalise easily, and you can hear the chambers equalising.

Pump could be borked, I'll check it against my other pumps and my pressure guage. That's a good shout indeed.

In terms of excessive psi, it definitely looks it from the numbers, but it feels like my 2018 and 2019 Pikes with 65psi in. And I'm using as much travel as I would expect.

Awesome Rickon, sounds like we are heading in the right direction with your fork - has the fork been serviced yet? If not - might I suggest that it's a very good idea to have a new fork serviced right out the box from new and the fork dynod.

How many millimetres is the negative spring pulling the fork into it's travel when the fork is under the weight of the bike, but without a rider?

It's a brand new fork, I've cracked them open, greased the wiper seals, added new lowers oil, and changed the air assy - so that's been well lubed too. I've not touched the damper, but that doesn't feel cavitated or anything. I've not got a Dyno, so that's not been done - I'm holding off sending them off just yet, I'd rather get a good time out of the box if I can before having them re-shimmed.

No rider weight, minimal sag, maybe less than 10mm.

I could definitely tell the difference between a 10 and a 7.5 fox volume spacer. So may well trim a token down by a quarter and see how that feels. I've got a load of them spare from the Pikes and the Lyrik!

I'm certainly feeling disappointed with my '19 Lyriks. They feel so dull and lifeless compared to my Luftkappe'd Pike predecessors. Admittedly they have only had one ride and I have yet to drop the lowers off to see if they do actually contain any oil or grease. Also I'm sure there is a slight sloshing soundfrom the damper, so maybe it needs a bleed.

I've ended up with LSC and HSC backed all the way off, 1 token with 70psi, once they're moving they're OK but through really rough rapid succession bumps my wrists are just aching.

Wondering if anyone else is in the same sort of boat?

Does the harshness come on right from the get go - or are they packing down? Try increasing the rebound speed a bit.

Peak force can also be increased by reducing the damping too much

So instead of just going "well this feels harsh" and backing off all your damping, ya'll need to be bracketing your suspension properly on something like the top section of DH3 at Grenoside.

It's the downwards motion feels more like a thud, then free movement like there's a lot of excessive stiction or over damping (but HSC and LSC are all the way off). I like my forks to rebound as quickly as possible without being like a pogo stick. I don't think they're packing down as such.

Seals need to be given time to bed it, it might need lubing or the bushings might need resizing. There could also be air trapped in the lowers, try burping them.

You said that its after rapid successive bumps, what weight are you, how far off the recommended pressure are you? What sag? What travel?

See the video above in regards to harshness.

Mess around, try no or half a token, keep the same sag if you can measure it accurately, or add a couple of psi maybe, make the rebound a bit quicker (as it will now be slower in the deepstroke - so you can now run the rebound quicker around the sag point) and add a bit of compression damping.

I'm convinced half the problems here are caused by people running progressive setups and running as much sag on the front as the back! That's not the way it's done guys, more sag and progression on the back, less sag and more midstroke support on the front!

The whole point of these increased negative spring volumes is that you can run more linear setups with more midstroke support and an easier to tune rebound.

I do have the same thoughts as Veero. My Pikes have all been dead easy to get how I like. It does feel like the Lyrik is overdamped, but I'm interested to try bracketing the damping to see where I end up, as I suspect the high negative volume changes how they react compared to the Pike.

I cut down a token last night, so running about half a token as zero tokens felt dead plush but the support was lacking, without upping the Psi a lot.

I also run my rebound as fast as I can without it losing traction, I tend to start with a decent wound on and then wind it off on repeated trails.

I've bought some lighter oil to put in the damper for my Lyrik since I feel it's a little over damped for me, but I haven't got round to changing it yet.

2019 Lyrik RC2 at 150mm
130 psi (96kg + gear)
25% sag
2 Formula neopos
HSC +1
LSC -7
Rebound -6

Feels pretty good - supportive and only getting to full travel when I've been stupid in the Alps.

Thanks raybanwomble, a useful reply there (if slightly condescending). I’ve been riding with enough variety of modern suspension forks long enough to know something isn’t right with these from instinct. I appreciate what you’re saying regarding tight seals and bushings, they had a fairly rowdy first ride but still felt the same at the end of the day as the start. I have to agree with rickon though, they still feel over damped. I burped the forks as suggested and no apparent pressure had built up within the lowers at all.

I have the pressure set just above middle of the range for my weight so I’m not trying to run it too soft and be too progressive. I see what you’re also suggesting through the Vorsprung video (I’m sure the presenter is very very knowledgeable but boy does he need to work on delivery. He talks himself into several slight contradictions and just ends each by saying it’s true or false. I get the idea that if it is underdamped on compression then you risk reaching the spike at peak force of the air chamber reaching the bottom of travel far too quickly. This is not what I’m feeling, it’s the initial impact when the front wheel leaves and then re-contacts the ground.

So I have taken the factory installed single token out and I’m off for a ride now so will see what it’s like and try refitting if necessary.

I guess the Lyrik is aimed at a burlier use than the Pike was, but the Pike was out of the box (had 2 sets from new and neither had anywhere this much ‘stiction’ feel for want of a better description) and both were so simple to get exactly where I wanted. I fitted a Luftkappe to my latest Pikes and didn’t adjust damping at all, even with the enlarged negative air chamber and the Debonair is supposed to be Rockshox’s equivalent solution to the Luftkappe.

Glenh let us know how you get on with thinner oil…

Veero - You're explaining exactly how I feel about the Lyrik so far. It does feel a lot better with zero tokens in there and more air. Less ramp up, more mid-stroke, better dynamic height etc...

I do suspect I'll be sticking with half a token or 1 token, and then when it's time for a damper service I'll get James at J-tec to reshim the HSC for me.

I’ve had similar experience with the Lyrics on my Nukeproof 290.

I’m about 75kg with all my gear, my previous Pikes had a couple of tokens in then and and were set up pretty quickly.

With the Lyriks I had a Shockwiz on them for a while which was indicating the need for 3 tokens and about 55psi which just left a really harsh ride.

Currently running no tokens and 70psi and they are miles better

2018 170mm 27.5 Lyrik with 2019 Air spring. 87kg nekkid, 100psi and one token with no compression damping and rebound 9 clicks out from closed gives 30%ish sag and uses all the travel on not particularly gnarly trails. Will try some suggestions on here but suspect I'm going to end up in the 125psi bracket.

Bike was dragging it's arse round Surrey hills at the weekend, smacked the rear foot pedal a few times even with level cranks on not particularly lumpy trails. Heavy ebike mind but was going to look at reducing the sag/trying to get it to sit higher in the travel or some such anyway.

Fork tends to sit with 155-160mm of stanchion showing although I hear this is normal? Need to check if my shock pump is reading wrong too.

We see it so much where people who aren't that heavy have rammed their fork full of volume spacers and now run 60psi instead of say 80psi and then wonder why they have no mid stroke support. They just end up with a fork that rides terribly, blowing through its travel then ramping up so hard at the end of the stroke that they only ever get 80% of the travel. They then think what they should do is drop the pressure more! What we NEED IS MORE TOKENS! Its what the ShockWiz said!

Thanks raybanwomble, a useful reply there (if slightly condescending).

Need to catch up with the thread before I post anything else - but sorry for that!

I will state that I reckon it takes a good 10-20 hours of riding before the seals bed in though.

Now at 90psi, half a token, 2 clicks of LSC from open, rebound pretty fast.

Feels absolutely spot on now. Definitely too many tokens and not enough psi before.

So thanks to Raybanwomble, you were spot on. Also Geex, one of my shock pumps was about 10psi out too!

Well on my hybrid 18/19s I'm now on no tokens and at 140psi for about 25% sag....will see what it's like on my local trails tomorrow. Also put another 30psi in my rear shock to move that to 25%

And it felt massively better. nothing really gnarly (dude) around here but so much more supportive, made the bike much easier to ride fast. Still 30mm of travel unused though so have knocked it down to 130psi. Back end much better too

Well I give up, they're going back.

Tried no tokens, 1 & 2 with various combos of the correct pressure and way less than required to see what effect that had. I can almost get comfortable full travel with less air than required but of course it sits far too low in the travel and blows through mid stroke and bottoms out. Correct pressure in there and it feels dull an lifeless again with a thud on even small landing impacts.

These are just crap and do not live up to the magical marketing BS spouted about them. A mate has a set of 18 Lyriks which I fitted a Debonair shaft to and his are out of this world compared to mine. Even before the Debonair they were plush and forgiving, he runs 4-5 clicks of LSC as well. I guess the only difference is the damper, Charger 1 not 2. Maybe this new CHarger 2 damper is just completely over damped? If so it utterly defeats the super dooper-ness of the super slippery Debonair seals and supposed enhanced plushness.

Utterly disppointing.

Maybe there was a technical issue with the damper. Bladder dampers can technically be overfilled.

I'd try a Grip 2 Fox though, personally.

I slight backed off the pressure, so mine are now at about 90psi which gives 30% sag under 13.5 stone of me plus the Levo. About 5 clicks of LSC and 1 click of HSC. Very good forks!

does anyone know if its possible to run a lyrik at 140mm of travel?

hope so I've got a 140mm airshaft in the garage I've been meaning to fit to HT for ages

I'm at 90psi, half a token, 4 clicks of LSC from open, rebound pretty fast.

After a good few hours the seals and bushings seem to be really settling in now, as they feel super plush and controlled, but really supportive and comfortable.

Brilliant set of forks.

Maybe this new CHarger 2 damper is just completely over damped? If so it utterly defeats the super dooper-ness of the super slippery Debonair seals and supposed enhanced plushness.

Open HSC damper setting on the charger 2 gives less HSC damping than the Charger 1 according to people who have dyno'd them.

Well I guess mine be ****ed then. The whole principle of Debonair is to be plusher than previous RS forks and compete with current Fox offerings, so why these have been so awful seems bizarre. Less HSC on the C2 versus C1 makes a lot of sense. Although the Pikes were reliable as hell, they were always at their peak performance for a short period after a lower leg lube and service. That was until I fitted the Luftkappe, then I was just blown away by how good they were consistently. These Lyriks should have been that and more.

I will report back how the GRIP2 is very soon…

Warranty replacement on the way. I guess they were borked then, I wonder how many others are out there that people are putting up with…

Shame that I’ve sold the bike they were on and now have a set of Fox 36 Floats which were MUUUUCH smoother out of the box.