[Closed] Retirement - what's it really like?

What surprised you about retirement?

Covid....I retired the week this all kicked off. Seems the whole world retired at the same time as me.

Not knowing how I managed to fit in full time work, have a PT job 15 hrs a week which is fine, no responsibilities or pressures pays for extras for bike and other little luxuries. Not sure I'll continue with job once covid is under control as we have so much we want to do travel wise

Retirement is the best job I've ever had.

I'm 52 and said I'd never really retire then lock-down happened. Now I'm trying to think of ways how I can retire a lot sooner that 67! 🙂

I retired 3 years ago at 60 and I'm loving it. We've got a few irons in different fires to keep us active and give the bank balance a boost now and again. You can't be "on holiday" permanently, you'll soon get through the cash like that but the lack of pressure will allow you to find what works best for you and you'll wonder how you ever managed to fit a days work into things.
Go for it if you can and the best of luck.

Just that I wish I could wind the clock back & join the railways at 16 like my cousin, apparently his pension at 55 is larger than my current salary ☹️

I think it depends on your attitude towards your job and your own sense of self worth. For me retirement has meant a second childhood, I still wake up and feel great that I'm able to choose how to spend my day, focus on the things I enjoy rather than squeeze them in to a busy must-do agenda. This is also true for my long-term bike buddy. I know one or two more career-focused people who have struggled though, with filling their time and with feeling valued/useful.

I retired this time last year at 55.

A good DB pension along with a severance/bribe payment for older workers sealed the deal.

Don't regret it one bit. Thing that makes me laugh is, a lot of people have said "Are you not going to get another job?"      Err, no, that's not retiring, that's just changing jobs

I retired at 50. Got bored and felt aimless for a while, then offered to help out a mate doing some IT work for his bike shop. That led to me becoming a bike mechanic. Then I moved house and got a job doing bike hire and cyclist/walker taxiing round the Scottish Highlands. I've also been doing voluntary work for both Sustrans and Scotways. I didn't see any of that coming in my initial retirement plans.

I retired again at 60 (last year) and have enjoyed not having those commitments now.

It very much depends on your own personality and drive. For some folk it'll be paradise. For others it can lead to boredom and unhappiness. My advice would be to find some part-time and/or volunteer work to ease yourself into it and then just take it as it comes.

"What surprised you about retirement?"

How I ever found time for work!

Being self employed at a young age then university when the company went bust left me with no pension until later. I reckon I’ll be 90 when I retire.

How little you need to get by was what surprised me. So much of my outgoings (the commute, food on the go, paying other people to do stuff 'cos I was too busy etc.) just disappeared.

Retired a couple of years ago at 52 after 30 years of high-pressure work. Prompted partially by my wife being diagnosed with PD, so we decided to enjoy the next few years. I fully expected to be looking for part-time work by now, but no need.

Get up when I please, do what I want, lots of time with friends and family, quality time for hobbies and interests. Big thumbs-up from me.

Check your pension pot is adequate to meet your needs. If so, go for it. It beats working.

A good DB pension along with a severance/bribe payment for older workers sealed the deal.

My Dad did the same at 55, with his BT pension payable from day 1. My parents spent a lot of time with my sister in Spain to see more of their grandchildren. They may have spent more time there had Mum not had my Nan still around. Other than that they visited friends around the country, had short break trips.

Probably helped that the mortgage was paid off c 10 years prior (though I doubt it would be much on a £4K house bought in the 60s).
They joined a few retirement clubs that had sessions and activities. Was an active group rather than sitting round playing bingo.

As others have said, my parents also did they don’t know where they had the time to work. It helped that Dad was of the mindset of work to live rather than the other way round. His cousin, who was a pit deputy was the opposite. When the pit closed, he suffered especially as he had the perceived “status” on the neighbourhood that came with the job title

You only get one life. You're nearing the end of it.

So why go back to work if you're young enough to enjoy what's left of your life?

It's better to be free and a bit impecunious than working and trapped into a routine set by someone else.

Jobs suck the life out of you.

whats this retirement you all speak off?

Some good stories here of people taking a steady progression into full retirement. 30 years to go for me, if I assume state retirement age in principle (and it's how all the finances are calculated). I'd much prefer to start reducing responsibility (assuming reducing income) before that though, rather than climbing the career ladder to the end and effectively collapsing over the finish line.

Great. Do nothing all week and get the weekends off or so I was told.
Mrs m was struck down just after we retired and moved to the coast so I am now a carer plus the cleaning, cooking, gardening, shopping, learning classical guitar, watching TdF/Snooker when on and still get time to ride my bike - phew.
We didn't have a master plan things just filled in the time available and life is still great despite the inevitability of how this ends.
Visiting our favourite gardens and tea room today as the weather is good.

If you think that waking up in the morning with too many things you have to do is bad, try waking up and not knowing what there is to do!

An afternoon off when you know there are other things you "ought" to be doing is more precious than an afternoon watching daytime TV.

It’s better to be free and a bit impecunious than working and trapped into a routine set by someone else.

Very much my view. i am retiring in just under 6 months at 60. Mrs TJ has effectively already retired ( long term sick and will not be going back)

We will have a much lower retirement income than people say we should - around 30% of current salaries. However we are prepared to cut our cloth accordingly. We do not get state pensions until 67

covid has rather effed things up for us tho but we have plenty of plans to fill our time. mainly involving walking and cycling long distances and letting our flat out as a holiday let. We have yet to see how it will all work out - the first adventure will be the test - a walk from Edinburgh to Cape Wrath.

Covid has changed a lot of our plans ,it's going to be very different to the retirement I had imagined ,hopefully I will remain healthy long enough to enjoy all the projects I have lined up.

Reading with interest, I'm 'only' 43 but I've been thinking a lot about work / life etc, again because of lock-down.

'My' plan was to keep this up until I'm 50 and then downsize my job, try to a nice, secure, low-stress public sector role, the money on offer is scary low though. At 50 I'd still have 10 years left on the mortgage and a teenager at home (hopefully the eldest will at least semi-self sufficient at 22, but I have my doubts).

My Boss/Mate's suggestion is to crack on, build the business up (which we've been steadily doing for nearly 10 years now) to the point when I can employ 2/3 people to do what I do now (on a larger scale) and work 3 days a week for the same money... It sounds lovely, but I'm always very wary of "stick with me kid, riches are just around the corner" stories from Bosses, never works out that way does it?

I already know the biggest barrier will be my wife, bluntly she's greedy. It's taken forever, but we now have all the material possessions we've ever wanted, it's the sort of modest stuff everyone wants - I don't have a vault cum swimming pool of gold coins to swim in, but house / car / ****ing big TV - we've got 'em all, but it doesn't seem to be enough, it's the new kitchen next, the 2 story extension after that, the new garden, the **** knows what else. She won't be happy until our (her) gilded cage is shiner then her friends.

Sounds like you need a new patio P-Jay! 🙂

A couple of alternative views to mine...

My stepdad sold his business in his early 50s, complete opposite to me, entrepreneur, lived to work but decided he was burnt out. He's always saying he shouldn't have done it, is bored, thought about starting work again but didn't. He def lost his mojo for a while.

A mate retired from the army, again early 50s. Pretty high up so decent pension. But after a couple of years (his wife was still working) he said he was bored and got another pretty full-on job, international travel, the lot. He seems much happier now.

I already know the biggest barrier will be my wife, bluntly she’s greedy.

Does she work?

Retired at 60, this year and moved to Brighton and mortgage free.
It's great. I do always get up early, clean the house, make the bed, shave and shower. Then make a coffee and look out onto the garden. I just can't tire of that little routine.

There's always something to do, or someone that needs a hand. But also I can go out on my board, or swim or ride or walk the Downs any day.

Cost of living is so much cheaper when you don't work, we have two cars but mines going this year.

Strange thing is I've always had piss poor menial jobs, barely minimum wage all my life. I was really worried about how I'd ever retire. Then all of a sudden, I'm retired. No mortgage, little place of mine I rent. #### knows how, I've never been given a thing. Put it this way I could never afford XTR or Dura Ace and the last time I could afford a new bike was in the 90's and it was £500. I really don't know how I'm here. It must simply be attitude to life, not having to have stuff or maybe starting full time work at 15. I don't know, but its just great.

Does she work?

Oh yes, decent salary too, but less than mine so me downsizing has a larger impact on our income.

Don’t worry, her appetite is enough for two salaries.

I’ve just retired at just over 60.
I plan jobs round the house in the morning and the afternoon is for going for a ride.
I’m finding it fine as long as I have something planned to do.
A kindle and the new Microsoft flight simulator ensure I have something to use my brain on if I can’t get outdoors.

The weekends are rest days and I do no home improvements on these days or I’d be doing a seven day week LOL.

Really interesting.

Im 41 this year. Finally got a decent job, mrs has always been on very basic pay. Im the materialistic one. Seeing my mates drive around in porsches and gtrs while i have  11 year old golf and a 185k mortgage we just make ends meet.

Nice to see there is a potential for light at the end but i dont see it for me personally.

I'm 50 and retired a few years ago. The first couple of weeks were a bit odd but you soon get into a new routine. I went and got myself qualified as a swimming teacher and if and when I'm bored I go and teach a few lessons to break up my week. I'm rarely bored though. I've just got home from a spin round Blade at Afan.

Thanks everyone for your contributions so far.

In my head I see myself riding my bikes, fixing stuff around the house, tinkering with my Guzzi, tackling some long-distance hikes, making inroads on my pile of books to read. But then I worry that I'll end up watching daytime TV and arguing with people on the internet. I'm encouraged that most people seem to tend more towards the former than the latter, although it might be just that the daytime TV watchers haven't seen the thread.

although it might be just that the daytime TV watchers haven’t seen the thread.

We don't have a TV precisely for this reason - I find it addictive and hours vanish before you know where you are. Don't miss it at all now, watching TV is no longer something I even think about.

45yrs old. Will be mortgage free next year because we decided over and over again not to upsize when everyone else did. We have lived in a 3bed semi with small garden and small 3rd room for the last 18yrs and we really could have done with something bigger. BUT it was always a choice of slightly bigger costing £100k more minimum and putting decades back onto my mortgage.

We both have pensions and we both have family at the kind of age where when we do inherit lifechanging amounts, we will be pretty set by then anyhow so I hope to help my kids better. I drive a brand new company car. My wife has a car. My son bought his own car. I have a campervan. If I want something I usually get it but if its effects family finances I tend to err on the side of not getting something. My parents have started sending me some money from time to time which means I have quite a bit of savings. We have huge (For me anyway) outgoings each month as I want the mortgage gone. I reckon I have £2k direct debits each month. Once the mortgage and all the other stuff linked go I will be able to cut that in half easily.

ll in all I reckon I will spend the next 10yrs getting my kids to the point where they are settled, have a bit of money come in through family etc and be able to go semi retired at 55. A nice job pushing a lawnmower or trollies around a supermarket.

quite startled at the amount of people retiring in their 50s (or earlier!!)

Me and MrsD won't be retiring much before state pension age, due to 'following our dreams' in early life and consequently not starting pensions or getting on the property ladder til our 30s/40s. Which is fair.

But it does strike me that retiring in your 50s may disappear soon (except for serious earners). 40 years ago, an average house cost about 4 years of the average wage, and FTBs were in their mid 20's. Now, an average house is 8 or 9 years of the average wage, and FTBs are in their mid 30's (this was us - our mortgage would run until MrsD is 65, if we weren't overpaying). And the increasing age of childbirth - several of my friends were in their late 30s when they had kids, meaning they could be paying for them until their 60s too.

Oh, and of course the decline of the DB pension. I had a look at MrsD's pension statement the other day. 30 years of 5% contributions, matched by the company, will buy her an estimated £289 a month at 68. I look at my dad's BT engineer pension with envy!

Retirement looks very tempting. But what do I need to know?

If you decide to try retirement and it doesn't work out, you can always find another job (not really much different to where you will be shortly).

If you decide to carry on working for a few more years you might drop down dead* before you even get to retirement. No options to back-track on this one.

(*or develop health problems that mean you can't do what you would like to.)

Check your pension pot is adequate to meet your needs.

And there's the rub: How long are you going to live and how much are you going to spend? It's an interesting question to contemplate in the abstract, but when you sit down and apply it to yourself (and wife / partner / why) I find it weirdly morbid, yet one must come up with an answer.

I can't believe another 5 years of pension contributions will make significant difference to the pension pot at age 61 unless you started it very late, have some massively high income, or houses to sell, or something. Your pension income might go up, but that's because you're 5 years nearer to death - you're gambling your active years against security in later life.

I can start to draw my pension at 55, and I reckon we could survive (mortgage is gone, last kid hopefully finished uni by then, two cars and a campervan paid for) We wouldn't be going on 3 cruises a year (or whatever retired people do), but I reckon we could pretty much live as we do now.

I don't think I'd struggle with boredom - I've always been of the 'work to live' disposition - I have loads of things I'd like to do.

An interesting read - i'm 47, and have a £200k+ mortgage which runs until i'm 66.
At this point in time - with kids aged 9 + 13 and no 'life changing' inheritance coming our way i don't see any light at the end of the tunnel.
My wife (45) is a teacher and has been screwed over her pension, when she started teaching most teachers retired at around 58, she is now expected to work until she's 67.

If either of us can retire before state pension age it would be a bonus.. best case would be getting to a point where we can go part time or scale it back in some other way at around 60.

Other option would be to downsize or move away from London - this might be a viable option once the kids have finished school and our parents are no longer around.
I made some poor life choices in my early 20's regarding work and money which are coming back to haunt me now.

Great thread

I tried retirement for 3 months last summer (at 53) but found that I quickly missed the personal and professional challenge of work, not to mention the social aspect of being in an office

We have no debts - mortgage free since I was 40 - have a very comfortable 4 bed house, and excellent retirement financial provision, so no pressure to return to work. We are both pretty frugal spenders - no massively expensive hobbies and no desire to flaunt consumerism, unlike many of our friends. One son who whilst not fully off the payroll is largely self supporting. My parents are both still alive, but in their mid 80s and starting to creak

After a period of reflection I decided to eschew more permanent roles and have headed off down the interim assignments route

It gives me the challenges I want but also gives me the freedom to take longer breaks (not that I have yet) and the flexibility to only do those roles that interest me. Thus far I've been very busy but have really enjoyed the change

Early retirement is still on the cards but at present I'm enjoying what I'm doing. If I suffer I'll health or simply decide enough is enough I can stop work. I appreciate I'm lucky to have the flexibility

My partner is effectively retired but seems busier than ever - various choirs, yoga, Zumba, pickleball, none of which interest me so my working allows both of us some personal space

I do have a few projects I'd like to do when I do retire e.g. completing the remainder of the 92 league grounds (15 to go) but no really grand plans. Probably because I've kicked retirement down the road a little. Or maybe that's just a chicken and egg situation!

Check your pension pot is adequate to meet your needs.

And there’s the rub: How long are you going to live and how much are you going to spend? It’s an interesting question to contemplate in the abstract, but when you sit down and apply it to yourself (and wife / partner / why) I find it weirdly morbid, yet one must come up with an answer.

There is the rub indeed. How much is enough? Even if you have a decent pension pot, with the state of the world economy, brexit and all the other challenges, it could be swept away or at least severely reduced. So it's easy to think 'I'll just work a bit longer and save a bit more' and then I'll be secure. But of course I won't be. And as you point out, I can't take continued good health for granted either, so retiring while I'm still fit seems sensible - particularly since a lot of my retirement ambitions require a decent degree of fitness.

This thread is confirming that if/when my redundancy is confirmed, I won't be looking for a job. Thanks all!

I can’t believe another 5 years of pension contributions will make significant difference to the pension pot at age 61 unless you started it very late, have some massively high income, or houses to sell, or something

No, but not drawing on the pension for 5 years, is probably a bigger factor, means the pot doesn't have to last quite as long....

I'm 51. Youngest is 13, so 8-9 years till she finishes uni, by which time my parents will be 90 and I suspect in supported accomodation or a home if they are still with us. Been mortgage free for 5-6 years so far

I've been working 4 days a week for 4-5 years now to help with kids and my parents. Can start to pick up older pension pots with no penalties when I turn 60, so can't see any reason to return to 5 days a week. I'm hoping that at 60 I can drop to 3 days a week and look at some sort of volunteering which I've had to drop in the last couple of years, maybe proper retirement at 65.

MrsMC also has decent pension provision and plans to go part time when she can for her own volunteering interests.

Plans could change - parents could suddenly keel over and leave us an unexpected windfall, pension pots could be taxed to death, either of us could get ill and need care, but the plan is to scale back work as and when we can and ease into a productive retirement while we are healthy enough to enjoy it.

 cum swimming pool

Well, we definitely didn't upgrade to one of them.

No, but not drawing on the pension for 5 years, is probably a bigger factor, means the pot doesn’t have to last quite as long….

Yes - see my sneaky edit 🙂

But it does strike me that retiring in your 50s may disappear soon (

Certainly did for me.

I know how stark the difference between generations will be when it comes to pensions and old age because of nothing more than bad luck, and bad judgement I fell from the old Boomer way into the new way.

In 2000 I worked for one of the big banks, we were one of the last to get into the original solid gold pension scheme. You had your whole life mapped out for you, join in your early twenties, like some of the public sector you "did your 30" and that was is - you got more if you hung on later, but mostly you retired in your mid 50s on a lovely comfy pension. Add into the mix a 'pre authorised' 0.1% over base Mortgage scheme and endless other perks including tax free share schemes, profit sharing etc. Meant if I actually bloody listened to them, you'd find yourself mortgage free with a lovely pension and a really tidy pile of money to boot. Most of the old guys I worked with walked with £100k or so - that's not a lump sum pension thing, that was their accumulated share pot.

Even though I only managed 9 years there, my old Pension will worth more to me when I retire than 25 years worth of NEST pension I paying into now. As for all the bonuses, profit shares and shares I blew half of it on bikes, holidays, and indeed a little coke, the rest, as they say, I wasted.

Even if my Wife decides to adopt a philosophy of "do not spoil what you have by desiring what you have not" I'll be working until 68... at least.

On the "how much is enough" question; a cornerstone of the Financial independence "movement" is based around the 4% rule. Whereby if you have 25x your annual expenditure invested, you can withdraw 4% of your pot each year, increasing with inflation and theoretically never run out of money again.

I retired on 31 July after 32 years in the same job. My formerly enjoyable export job travelling round Africa had become a poxy sales clerk job working from a laptop with nothing but stress. I am now living in damp smelly temporary accommodation waiting for the builder to finish the house, which would have been finished in July without CV. I am bored, deeply depressed and anxious about everything and missing my old colleagues and customers painfully because I've nothing to do. This will improve after we move in.

I don't miss the work stress especially customer accounts and debts.

My sister and BIL on the other hand have both retired and are as busy as they ever were, with a big circle of friends and lots of interests so they are having a great time. So retire but be sure you've got enough to distract you from the boredom.

And there’s the rub: How long are you going to live and how much are you going to spend? It’s an interesting question to contemplate in the abstract, but when you sit down and apply it to yourself (and wife / partner / why) I find it weirdly morbid, yet one must come up with an answer.

This is why you have to use an advisor. It's much more complicated than size of pot divided by years left to live.

I'm 46, a financial warning zone, and ain't retiring any time soon - I'm lucky I have a job I genuinely enjoy (took 45 years to find it, but there you go). Only thing I can usefully contribute to this thread is to keep busy with something you enjoy, whether it's work or a hobby (if you have the cash) or whatever - me dear old dad just stopped everything when he retired and it did him no good at all, me dear old mum had me dad to look after but once he'd gone, she had nothing much left and followed shortly after. Still mulling over what I'm gonna do when I retire but I tell you what - even if the cash is there, I'm not treating it like a full-time holiday.

I tried it at 36 ! Got very bored very quickly. 11 years later I'll do it again at 50 and this time I think I have enough to keep me out of trouble.

Retired a year or so ago age 61. Ride for about 4 hours most mornings. Chores/tasks in the afternoons. Loving it, can't imagine working again. The negatives? Does sometimes feel like I'm waiting for the great pub landlord in the sky to call "Time", so could use a sense of purpose. Feel weary most afternoons, so try to keep busy and avoid crashing on the sofa. Trying not to worry about money!

Retired at 55, now 62. I understand the issues with pension pot. But something more important and you can have an affect over is your fitness and health.
All the money means nothing if you don’t have the fitness and good health to enjoy it. Get fit and stay fit. It will pay huge dividends in retirement.

bloody hell freeagent we are pretty much in the same boat.
wife is wanting to retire in the next 5 year.....lol at that.
she saw her mum and dad retire early and think she can do the same, the harsh realities of life fall on deaf ears. I cant really see me even thinking about it for another 10-12 years (at 60)

I could retire tomorrow if I knew I wasn't going to live more than 20/25 years. Problem is I might live to 100 and then that needs a lot more money...

The ONS has an interesting app you can play with:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/articles/lifeexpectancycalculator/2019-06-07

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All the money means nothing if you don’t have the fitness and good health to enjoy it.

Absolutly this. I have seen too many people retire later and then die. I will be going at 60 despite only going to have an income I think most of you would find inadequate. there are no pockets in a shroud.

I'm 56 and retired just over 4 years ago. There was a short adjustment period and an irrational feeling of guilt for a while about not working, but I now love it. Our kids are grown up and independent and my wife works part time.

I end up doing most of the cooking and cleaning which is fine, and we live in old place with a huge garden which means there is always stuff to do. But otherwise, I indulge my many hobbies and interests. I walk our dog twice a day, go to the gym three times a week, ride my motorbike and mountain bike whenever I feel like, go hill walking, shooting, a bit of woodwork etc. We are comfortable, but not loaded, so having some interests that don't cost a fortune is helpful. And I'm quite happy knocking about in a ten year old car or taking UK holidays if it means I can buy a new bike when I need to.

I must admit I am baffled by a common response I get when people hear I'm retired, "Oh I could never give up working, I just wouldn't know what to do with myself". I can understand not being able to retire for financial reasons or missing the social aspect, but not knowing what to do with yourself?! The idea that stopping condems you to daytime TV and boredom betrays a one dimensional character and lack of imagination in my mind. The possibilities are endless, if (of course) you are lucky enough to afford to retire.

I am very grateful that (fingers crossed) I have the health and fitness to enjoy retirement and an outdoor life. I think if I didnt it would be very different, which is as good a reason as any to take early retirement if you can afford to.

I was made redundant at 53, 2 years ago - Brexit effectively killed off the type of work I was doing - since then set-up my own online business and doing some part-time work in my LBS as a mechanic. Pension review at the beginning of the year at 55 indicated not too bad - 2x defined benefit pensions, so the main issue was income for the next 10 years. We've sold our house in Hampshire, currently living on Speyside and waiting for a new house to be built on the Isle of Mull. Proceeds from sale after build is nearly enough to cover the bills for 10 years, but plan is to continue with online stuff and find part-time / seasonal work. We'll have a big garden, so plan to be far more self-sufficient as Mrs Dovebiker is keen gardener - had confirmation we can keep 12 chickens! For me it's about maintaining a healthy lifestyle as once it's lost, it won't come back - I'd rather be 'poor' and healthy. We're also hoping to get more actively involved in a community which is why we chose Mull. Very much day-to-day at present, keeping eye on weather - we're off to Ullapool tomorrow for a seafood lunch!

I’d like to add- my Dad died of an unexpected heart attack at 69- he was otherwise fit and healthy, not overweight. Good job he retired at 55 and had 14 years.
So to those who have the financial ability to do so, but “will get bored”- get a life before your life gets snuffed out for good.

If you have the financial security to afford it, consider reducing your work hours and "learn" to enjoy having more time to yourself, if you've been working 5-day+ weeks for years.

A former colleague, took early retirement when a previous employer shut down. After two weeks he took a job as a Tesco delivery driver. He had nothing to do but go to the pub, he realised it really wasn't a good idea, so just took a part time job just to get out and about.

I'm hoping to do community driving if I can re-train myself to sleep properly. At the moment stress is making me lie awake from 01.00 most mornings and I'm so tired during the day that Mrs GTi won't allow me to drive.

I also plan to make hybrid spheres, brew beer, learn guitar again, write more, garden, cycle, set myself up as the local bicycle doctor, walk, swim, canoe, maybe even do some climbing again as I used to love that. Oh and get a small multi-gym.

I retired four years ago at 52 (couple of years earlier than planned due to a timely redundancy). Mrs Kenny stopped at 49. Easily the best thing we've ever done; haven't been bored for a second. Like someone said above I can't understand the folk who say they wouldn't know how to spend their days.

Key thing, I reckon, is to have paid off your mortgage or be in the position to pay it off quite soon. Once the house is paid for you really can live on a lot less than you'd imagine.

Time is far more important than money.

50 earlier this year and no plans to retire just yet. This working from home has the added benefit of riding during 'lunch'. Got two final salary schemes that should have 35 years in by the time I'm 60, plus two other private pension schemes. Wife worked for her parents for many years and got no pension and her current scheme isn't promising much. Fortunately mortgage is paid off - we decided to stay in the same house and overpaid.

Kids both at home (17 and 19) and not looking likely they will leave home soon. Fairly happy if we get more flexible working once Covid settles down, but I recon 60 might be a good time to go. Two of my colleagues recently retired (they were around 63/64) and are now incredibly busy - no idea how they fitted work in - then again they got out before all this poop storm hit lucky sods.

No likelyhood of any 'windfalls' - MIL's house value has almost vanished in 18 months of nursing home fees, and my parents are OK health wise

It’s much more complicated than size of pot divided by years left to live.

Genuine question: Is it?

On one level, I know there are various financial mechanisms for accessing the 'pot' (draw-downs, investments, annuities, etc.) which introduce a huge amount of complexity, especially if you need to take spouses, etc into account, but can you escape the fundamental truth of that arithmetic?

Just to help the OP:  😉

About 15 years ago I had a very good friend and colleague who was ready to retire in his early fifties. Fit as a fiddle and always on the go. We were going to walk the Tatras mountains together. He was persuaded by his manager to delay his retirement for two years. Three years later he was dead. Most of the last 12 months he was in very poor health. He had a good pension. RIP Arthur.

pickleball,

Is this safe to google?

@dovebiker - Seafood Shack?

We went 2 weeks ago, it was great

Controversial, but don't work, get state benefits, a council house and if needing care, the state will pay for the lot. MIL now needs care home costs and it's burning into what her house was worth by £4,500 a month. If we sell house, fees aren't 'controlled' by the council, so that's another grand a month privately.

If you want an active retirement, keep as fit as you can and have a good pension, but expect to lose the lot if you need care. It's crap.

@ElShalimo - yes, Seafood Shack - we've been before, just been waiting for a nice day / less busy

@stgeorge haha - yes. It's an import from the US. A cross between tennis / badminton / table tennis

My OH is now in 3 clubs and plays at least 4 times a week

And STW can rest easy - although originating in the US the sport isn't Trump endorsed.....

Controversial, but don’t work, get state benefits, a council house and if needing care, the state will pay for the lot.

Controversial and not really accurate, speaking as someone who has spent the last 15 years working in the benefits system, and married to a social worker.

What I would add to all those planning on an early retirement is don't get too fixated on it. A lot can change, especially with the current economic uncertainty. A colleague was literally counting down to his retirement at 55 from about 5 years out, he knew how much more would be in his pot if he cut out his morning Costa, it dominated every conversation with him. Totally forgot to live in the moment, his car suddenly needed replacing and it messed his head so badly he ended up for 2-3 months with anxiety and depression.

Reading all this with interest as I'm going in 6 weeks!

Just adding something else..my post-retirement part-time gave me the chance to develop new skills and meet lots of new folk, not all of whom would have been in my normal social bubble. Hell, most of the folk I know on this forum came from working in a bike shop.

Another thing to consider is whether you are likely to move to another area when retired and how you might then go about meeting new friends there. Some sort of work (paid or voluntary) might be a better idea than joining the local golf club.

Well my dad saved all his life, worked a stressful job that took its toll. Amazing final salary pension. Retired at 60 dead at 69.
That seems like a shit deal.

There are lessons in this, that I intend to learn.

I'm also frugal. Like many above I have no interest in conspicuous consumption/greed (I'm very wary of people with this trait! It makes no sense to me.) I have been lucky with property purchases and jobs/work. I certainly don't intend working full time to the age my dad did.
I'm 41 now, and so long as nothing catastrophic happens career wise I'd like to reduce my hours by late 40s, hopefully semi retire/retire mid 50s once kids have completed uni (if they go) and are self sufficient. I think I would still want to be doing something constructive, but have the freedom to go travelling etc. (Which is one thing we missed in our youth that I regret...might be harder with the covid hangover but hey ho)
That's the dream, anyway

On one level, I know there are various financial mechanisms for accessing the ‘pot’ (draw-downs, investments, annuities, etc.) which introduce a huge amount of complexity, especially if you need to take spouses, etc into account, but can you escape the fundamental truth of that arithmetic?

Yes and no.

If you buy an annuity, which will give you a pittance, you need to consider the type of annuity and benefits for a spouse in case you die first, but an annuity with say 50% for surviving spouse will give you an even worse rate.

If you're using drawdown then you wouldn't just divide the value by x years as you'd probably leave the pot invested in some form and expect some growth from the invested part.

Your spending is likely to taper as you get older so you probably need less money between say 70 and 80 compared with 60-70 and probably even less if 80-90 / 90-100.

Whilst an adviser could offer some advice there is no right answer as neither of you know how long you'll live, how long you're partner will live, how many of those years are in good health (more holidays more expense) and how the markets will do eg stocks, shares, bonds etc.

Neither of you know what changes to state pension and private pension tax might happen during your retirement either.

So yes there's a lot to think about but no 'right' answers.

Even more free time due to COVID gas made me think about this. A tangent I see is that being active and productive/contributing is what apparently makes us happy, so finding work you like (yeah I'm still looking) and keeping it going, say part time, could be as important as all the hobbies/exercise.

Controversial, but don’t work, get state benefits, a council house and if needing care, the state will pay for the lot

ToryDailyMailbot alert! Controversial, and bollocks. It doesn't work like that, you can't just "go on benefits", and it's a pittance to live on, possibly in a shit area/care home.

tangent I see is that being active and productive/contributing is what apparently makes us happy,

Some of us. Not all. Add learning to that list.

Interesting reading all this, currently hoping to keep working to 68-70, purely for enjoyment of the job. Cannot imagine retiring at less than 65 without being bored.

Cannot imagine retiring at less than 65 without being bored.

Each to their own but I just don't get this. Do you not have any hobbies or interests other than work? Places you want to go? People you want to spend more time with?

I cannot imagine wanting to work any longer than 60. I have loved my job, its got kudos, I get to be a do gooder but its now time for me. I have so much stuff planned to do once i retire. Stuff I have never had time for because it will not fit into two week holidays.

I decided to have a year off at 42 and at 60 still have no desire to work again. Madame likes her job. So I can't answer the original question because I'm not officially retired and won't be for a couple of years. However, I can say that not working is ace, for me, for other people it might not be - and I'm not sure how Madame is going to take to not working.

I haven't been bored since the last time I had a job working for someone else. I used to have the odd day when there was nothing to do, that's the last time in my life I watched a clock ticking towards a number waiting to be let off the leash.

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I cannot imagine wanting to work any longer than 60. I have loved my job,

Same here.
I'm bloody good at my job so far as the original specification of it was.
But the endless corporate shizzle it now entails is grinding me down. I could save the company 10's of thousands a year if left to do the engineering I'm good at but instead I seem to spend hours as a glorified account clerk or endless planning for things that will never happen.
55 now and now in planning my way out to a version of retirement

Blokeuptheroad - plenty of hobbies, well, bikes. Don't ride loads but enough. Guess I don't particularly for that there's anything need more time for, but appreciate not everyone feels like that.

Jet - here are some of the things I have planned
A 3 month walk - Edinburgh to Cape Wrath, a 3 month cycle - North sea to black sea. 6 months trekking in south america, 6 months road trip round the antipodies. I'll be doing these things and others) in the years between 60 and 67 while you carry on working.