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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/27/politics/pentagon-ufo-videos/index.html
By official,I think they mean that the videos are already leaked but they are confirming they are real video clips capture by pilots?
I think highly unlikely we are alone in the universe but whether another space-faring civilisation ever contacts us, let alone actually arrives here, is another matter entirely.
Thoughts? Oh, apologies,Trump is in the video somewhere giving his thoughts but I muted that bit as he's likely talking complete s*it obviously so I have no idea what he said. It was likey about being anally probed with a uv light sabre no doubt.
No probably not alone in the universe but the chances of an alien life form being able to travel vast distances across the universe, find us and then only appear on grainy footage seems unlikely. Aren’t these the same footage ‘leaked’ last year?
I am of the same opinion tbh, we are ‘probably’ not alone, but if other species had the tech/ability to get here over the utterly vast distances, surely they would be able to completely avoid detection, or, you know, actually make contact with us.
See also, bigfoot, LN Monster etc.
but the chances of an alien life form being able to travel vast distances across the universe
Based on the fact you/we only know the limit of science and engineering as studied by human beings on Earth, you can’t evidentially discount it.
and then only appear on grainy footage
That’s our technology rather than their choice.
Aliens have already contacted seti with messages. Seti is an organisation who send messages into outer space and have lots of massive aerial dishes
the chances of an alien life form being able to travel vast distances across the universe, find us and then only appear on grainy footage seems unlikely
But still...they come.
But still…they come
Well I don't know about anyone else but that's going to be stuck in my head all day long now. 🙂
Based on the fact you/we only know the limit of science and engineering as studied by human beings on Earth, you can’t evidentially discount it.
Well of course you can't discount anything, but I think the probability is pretty low, though the probability of life elsewhere in the universe is pretty high (and maybe in our solar system). The universe is only 13Bn years old and the Earth is 4.5Bn years old. So it seems to take several billion years for a habitable planet to form and get to a stage where it is capable of harbouring life. And very early life began on earth quite early on Earth and it took 3bn years ish of evolution for life to evolve from the very basic forms of single celled organisms to us Humans...and the Earth has had a very easy time due to a lot of very unlikely events happening to give the Earth a long enough time period of stability time to allow life to evolve uninterrupted over such a long time....having the right kind of sun, a big planet like Jupiter hoovering up all the meteorites and comets that enter our solar system, the Earth composition being just right for the conditions for life to prosper and evolve etc. the chances of all those things being repeated in other solar systems that might harbour life are extraordinarily slim. So not sure I believe in UFO's. I guess you could make the assumption that there is a planet out there that started a lot earlier than Earth but not that much earlier, so very little time for them to evolve to such an extent that they could achieve interstellar travel.
Maybe mammals on the earth could have started their evolutionary explosion a few hundred million years earlier if the Dinosaurs hadn't happened dominating life on earth for so long, so we could have possibly been a few hundred million years ahead of where we are now technology wise. I would like to think us humans would have cracked interstellar travel within the next 300million years....we better have or we'll be doomed given the known events that are going to happen in that time that will most likely render the Earth uninhabitable or destroy it altogether.
But ultimately I find it hard to believe that a civilisation with the technology to travel interstellar distances to visit us would be so clumsy as to be caught on camera...they'll either want us to know they're there or not. If the former then we'd know for sure...if the latter then there is no chance of us 'accidentally' catching footage of them.
Aliens have already contacted seti with messages. Seti is an organisation who send messages into outer space and have lots of massive aerial dishes
It's alright, coronavirus will defend us.
Only once it's been activated by 5G
I've always liked this idea from Iain Banks on the best way to find aliens:
"What an incredible coincidence it is that our moon fits exactly over our sun. Talk to astronomers and they’ll tell you that Earth’s moon is relatively much bigger than any other moon round any other planet. Most planets, like Jupiter and Saturn and so on, have moons that are tiny in comparison to themselves. Earth’s moon is enormous, and very close to us. If it was smaller or further away you’d only ever get partial eclipses; bigger or closer and it hide the sun completely and there’d be no halo of light round the moon at totality. This is an astounding coincidence, an incredible piece of luck. And for all we know, eclipses like this are unique. This could be a phenomenon that happens on Earth and nowhere else.
"So, hold that thought, okay?
"Now, supposing there are aliens. Not E.T. aliens – not that cute or alone. Not Independence Day aliens – not that crazily aggressive – but, well, regular aliens. Yeah? Regular aliens. It’s perfectly possible, when you think of it. We’re here, after all, and Earth is just one small planet circling one regular-size sun in one galaxy. There are a quarter of a billion suns in this one galaxy and quarter of a billion galaxies in the universe; maybe more. We already know of hundreds of other planets around other suns, and we’ve only just started looking for them. Scientists tell us that almost every star might have planets. How many of those might harbour life? The Earth is ancient, but the universe is even more ancient. Who knows how many civilisations were around before Earth came into existence, or existed while we were growing up, or exist now?
"So, if there are civilised aliens, you’d guess they can travel between stars. You’d guess their power sources and technology would be as far beyond ours as supersonic jets, nuclear submarines and space shuttles are beyond some tribe in the Amazon still making dugout canoes. And if they’re curious enough to do the science and invent the technology, they’ll be curious enough to use it to go exploring. “Now, most jet travel on Earth is for tourism. Not business; tourism. Would our smart, curious aliens really be that different from us? I don’t think so. Most of them would be tourists. Like us, they’d go on cruise ships. And would they want to actually come to a place like Earth, set foot – or tentacle, or whatever – here? Rather than visit via some sort of virtual reality set-up? Well, some would settle for second-best, yes. Maybe the majority of people would.
"But the high rollers, the super-wealthy, the elite, they’d want the real thing. They’d want the bragging rights, they’d want to be able to say they’d really been to whatever exotic destinations would be on a Galactic Grand Tour. And who knows what splendours they’d want to fit in; their equivalent of the Grand Canyon, or Venice, Italy, or the Great Wall of China or Yosemite or the Pyramids?
"But what I want to propose to you is that, as well as all those other wonders, they would definitely want to see that one precious thing that we have and probably nobody else does. They’d want to see our eclipse. They’d want to look through the Earth’s atmosphere with their own eyes and see the moon fit over the sun, watch the light fade down to almost nothing, listen to the animals nearby fall silent and feel with their own skins the sudden chill in the air that comes with totality. Even if they can’t survive in our atmosphere, even if they need a spacesuit to keep them alive, they’d still want to get as close as they possibly could to seeing it in the raw, in as close to natural conditions as it’s possible to arrange. They’d want to be here, amongst us, when the shadow passes. “So that’s where you look for aliens. In the course of an eclipse totality track. When everybody else is looking awestruck at the sky, you need to be looking round for anybody who looks weird or overdressed, or who isn’t coming out of their RV or their moored yacht with the heavily smoked glass.
"If they’re anywhere, they’re there, and as distracted – and so as vulnerable – as anybody else staring up in wonder at this astonishing, breathtaking sight.
"The film I want to make is based on that idea. It’s thrilling, it’s funny, it’s sad and profound and finally it’s uplifting, it’s got a couple of great lead roles, one for a dad, one for a kid, a boy, and another exceptional supporting female role, plus opportunities for some strong character roles and lesser parts too…"
--Iain M. Bank, Transition
Even if there is/was another civilisation, with the age and vastness of the universe, what would the chances be of them making contact (ie, we could have little green men visit earth just 3,000 years ago and there would be no record of it)? Prof. Brian Cox described it well by describing it as two people throwing balls in a big field without knowing what direction or when to throw them, then expecting them to collide.
Maybe lockdown is just the aliens way of fattening us all up before the harvest.....
Podcast 35 of the Fighter Pilot podcast chats with the pilots from the jets, interesting listen.
That’s our technology rather than their choice.
Our technology indeed which is far better than that.
Glad someone got it Captain took a long time.
Now I'm not saying it's aliens...
But, if a few aircraft have captured grainy footage of a couple of blobs, as edited together in the OP's "fire up the 80's synth" vid, then what governments should do is issue most adults with cameras they they can carry round most of the time. Just a couple of billion or so people carrying cameras most of the time across most of the planet, and we'd soon have thousands and thousands of these alien vids. And bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster. That's if we issued everyone cameras...
Nothing much to add, other than that quote from Iain Banks makes me sad 🙁
For anyone with an interest in this, here's a great podcast with David Fravor, a US Navy pilot involved in one of the most famous videos/ sightings.
Nothing much to add, other than that quote from Iain Banks makes me sad
God me too. We lost a real Gem when he died.
Could also be that they deliberately don't want to make contact?
In the same way scientists are reluctant to drill into lakes under glaciers for fear of introducing 'alien' bacteria from the drill into a pristine environment, maybe they just don't want to wipe us out with coronavirus-2001-a space odysse?
A colleague used to work for Shell as an environmental engineer in the exploration department. they once f***d up after drilling an exploration well and capping it, they did all the assay testing and it came back light and sweet, just what you want (lots of petrol, minimal processing). 6 months later when they went back the sal****er that went down with the drill had introduced sulphur reducing bacteria to the reservoir and it was full of H2S.
I’ve always liked this idea from Iain Banks on the best way to find aliens:
I like that idea.
Just makes me think of this
Loved the FermiParadox, I'm going to digest that a bit more later. At least this bit is proven to be true:
"...we can’t even comprehend what the beings from Planet X are or what they’re trying to do. It’s so beyond us that even if they really wanted to enlighten us, it would be like trying to teach ants about the internet..."
😀
@eulach interesting read, leaves out something very basic though. The distance between us and the most distant galaxies is increasing at more than the speed of light, due to the expansion of the universe. So the neither the aliens, or even their radio waves/communications/etc, will ever make it to Earth.I’ll just leave this here:
FermiParadox.
If it's impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, how are those whole galaxies able to get further away from each other at *faster than* the speed of light?
@Dorset_Knob because they aren't moving 😃 the universe isn't just expanding at the edge, new space is constantly being created everywhere i.e. in between us and the distant galaxies. So the distant galaxies [I]appear[/I] to be moving away, at a massively accelerating rate (as new space is in turn created in between all that new space, constantly)
<scratches head>
The more interesting question is why are they accelerating apart instead of maintaining a constant speed or decelerating.
All that mass, all that gravity, yet they are moving apart.
@GrahamS see above. This is something than Einstein really struggled with too, so you're in good company 😃The more interesting question is why are they accelerating apart instead of maintaining a constant speed or decelerating.
(I have been listening to a LOT of podcasts lately) 😂
All we know about the universe is the observable universe...energy and matter. However that is a small slice of the whole universe and all that unknown 'stuff' we put down to dark energy and dark matter. We can't observe it. We don't know much if anything about it. We can only observe its potential interaction/effects with the observable universe and put the fact the rate of expansion of our universe is due to the gravitational affects of dark energy or dark matter - but that is just one hypothesis amongst many no doubt. We don't even have the sensors or technology to detect dark energy/matter. We are pretty simple creatures. Our senses have only evolved to assist us in succeeding on our planet. We only have 5 senses...we can only comprehend 3 special dimensions and time as another dimension. We're not really equipped to comprehend the wider universe around us which is why we look to bastard hard maths to help us understand what is actually going on.
I think it is safe to assume that any other aliens are curious about the universe and what else is out there. They realise the planets they live on are temporary lifeboats and they need to survive beyond the existence of their home planet...understanding that it is natural to look for other worlds and other civilisations. We're all in the same boat.
Maybe lockdown is just the aliens way of fattening us all up before the harvest…..
they should have paid attention to keeping supermarkets stocked with yeast and flour then 🙂
The latest train of thought is that spaceships use big sails to travel vast distances.this does not include to our universe.
We only have 5 senses...
<pedant mode> There are at least 9, maybe more.</pedant mode>
If it’s impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, how are those whole galaxies able to get further away from each other at *faster than* the speed of light?
The very fabric of spacetime is the thing that's expanding rather than anything actually 'in' the universe. Imagine a balloon with loads of dots all over it, when you blow up the balloon, the dots move further away from each other yet they're not actually moving themselves.
They mostly come at night, mostly...
I think the probability is pretty low, though the probability of life elsewhere in the universe is pretty high
This is pretty much where I'm coming from, and the rest of what wobbliscott said (aside from the notion that we only have five senses, which is a popular misconception).
The likelihood of extraterrestrial life is a big numbers question, and people are terribly bad at comprehending big numbers. The odds of a "baby bear's porridge" solar system like ours is very small, but when you consider the impossibly vast number of solar systems out there then it suddenly becomes highly unlikely that there isn't another life-sustaining planet out there somewhere. The odds of winning the lottery are 1 in 45 million, yet people do still win it. (Fun facts discovered when I looked up that number just now, you've a 1 in 17.7 million chance of being married to Katie Price, and a 1 in 4.4 million chance of being killed because you're left-handed).
The chances of ET popping by for a bag of M&Ms though is a wholly different prospect, and that's big numbers again. The closest known exoplanet is Proxima Centauri b and that's 4.2 light years away. Ie, if we / ET could travel at the speed of light it'd take 4.2 years to make the journey. And that's really close. And even assuming that the covering distance isn't a problem - how would you know which direction to head in?
The very fabric of spacetime is the thing that’s expanding rather than anything actually ‘in’ the universe
I understand your balloon analogy (it's v good) but this sort of stuff just blows my mind really.
The chances of ET popping by for a bag of M&Ms though is a wholly different prospect
So there I am, in Sri Lanka, formerly Ceylon, at about 3 o'clock in the morning, looking for one thousand brown M&Ms to fill a brandy glass, or ET wouldn't go on stage that night...
I understand your balloon analogy (it’s v good) but this sort of stuff just blows my mind really.
Yeah it's absolutely insane to try to comprehend!
Currently halfway through that Rogan podcast. It’s all a bit freaky
I was always on the fence about ufos, but having seen unexplained flying objects on the live feed from the space station (posted a thread on here at the time) and watching these videos/podcasts I have to agree that these objects can’t be human made
Pass the tin foil
The chances of ET popping by for a bag of M&Ms though is a wholly different prospect
No chance as he prefers Reece’s pieces.
Just want to be pedantic about TINAS's bit about souring reservoirs, it's a fairly frequent occurence but it's caused by feeding the bugs already present down there with sulphates in sea water, not actually introducing bacteria.
Well I for one didn't know that some galaxies are (actively) accelerating away from us at a speed greater than light.
I suppose when we then throw in potential folding of space time, dark matter/energy and an extremely advanced civilization.... it might not be a problem to travel vast distances as distance becomes irrelevant?
Maybe in different dimensions its easier / quicker to get from place to place.
The distance between us and the most distant galaxies is increasing at more than the speed of light, due to the expansion of the universe. So the neither the aliens, or even their radio waves/communications/etc, will ever make it to Earth.
Who’s talking about other galaxies? There’s already an almost incomprehensibly vast number of stars with planetary systems within our own galaxy. The distances between stellar systems within the Milky Way are vast enough for the average human mind to struggle with.
With regard to the Ian Banks piece, our eclipses are spectacular, but even within the observable universe there are truly spectacular things to want to see; even within our own solar system there are things even more amazing than a solar eclipse - the rings of Saturn, Jupiter and it’s extraordinary atmosphere...
Please Mr ET - could you be hired for a hit on our planets most single biggest problem
Trump the lab test rat on destruction of planet earth
😜
There is an alien in our kitchen now, I can hear it muttering.
It came down to the shed last night moaning that it couldn't get the top off the silver pen.
It was my old pencil tyre pressure gauge!!!!
Hmm.
Lots of fancy stuff there about how things move apart at faster than light speeds. But it can be explained very simply with vectors.
Two planes fly away from each other in opposite directions, both maintaining 500mph. At what speed are they flying apart?
Follow up question, are either breaking the sound barrier?
Now, two galaxies are drifting apart in opposite directions, both maintaining 0.8c. At what speed are they drifting apart?
Follow up question, are either breaking the light barrier?
Unfortunately, at near to light speed you can't use Newtonian mechanics to calculate speed.
To turn the Squirrel King's question round, if the 2 galaxies moving in opposite directions at 0.8c each, but moving towards each other, their approach speed is NOT 1.6c as you'd expect. It more like 0.975c - this is the weird beauty of relativistic formulae for velocity.
You also have to bear in mind that you can't say the galaxies are both moving at 0.8c - that's only relative to a specific point of reference. If you moved your point of reference to be in one of the galaxies, one would appear stationary whilst the speed of the other would appear to be 0.975c.
And there's no one point in the universe that can categorically be identified as being "at rest". It's all relative. Which goes some way to seeing why Einstein was a genius.
Those videos are easily explained by optical means:
https://petapixel.com/2020/04/28/that-navy-ufo-footage-has-an-optical-explanation/