North Yorks border patrols?
NY Police have been getting excited about travel across their borders, although they have no power to prevent it or fine you (unless you are meeting people you should not).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-55171573
Bikes on the roof will be like catnip to zealous coppers – has anyone been stopped or come across patrols? I live close to the border, and many of my favourite rides are on the other side. I've seen warning notices at the roadside but no more.
Are you on Teesside? The word went out last week that Roseberry Topping was out-of bounds which sits just in N Yorkshire but is much Teesside as a lemon top and parmo.
Cue loads of folk making a "freedom of navigation" trip just to stick 2 fingers up. It's a total farce.
We are close to the Lancs/N Yorks/W Yorks junction. There's signs around Skipton asking if your journey is necessary. Today we went over to Lancashire and back and saw no signs of police. Did notice that Boundary Mills car park in Colne was as packed as usual. Not seen anything on the A65 heading over to Cumbria either.
I've got family in Guisborough. I can confirm via them that the police were out and about hassling people round Roseberry / Great Ayton this weekend (telling folk to go home / taking names and car reg numbers / threatening to fine people).
I'm not sure where I stand on the issue to be honest. There is the argument that a lot of people are making a lot of what could be called "unnecessary journeys" and carrying on as if life is back to normal.
Thanks. I'm on WY/Lancs/NY border area too, just hoping it's all piss and wind. And glad/unsurprised about what's happened on Roseberry Topping. This sort of headline grabbing seems to have more to do with self-promotion than stopping the virus. And now I see Lancs FA are joining in with thier own take on nutty ideas.
Cumbria made a big play of publicising handing out a fine to some day trippers from West Yorkshire recently, and this is more of the same, I guess. Deterrent rather than a realistic chance of being stopped. Round here so many people have to cross the boundary several times a day.
How can they fine people if they haven’t broken any law?
I guess the day trippers were breaking the rule of six or mixing households. I'm just going alone or with Mrs O to park somewhere remote and to fight the gloop.
We're in more danger of brucellosis from the cowshit than catching covid, and we aren't going to get anywhere near any NY old folk.
I have absolutely no 1st hand account, but lots of chat in Skipton that transport police entrenched at Skipton train station have been checking tickets and sending Lancastrians back to their shit tip of a county this weekend.
I have absolutely no 1st hand account, but lots of chat in Skipton that this weekend transport police entrenched at Skipton train station have been checking tickets and sending Lancastrians back on the next train to their shit tip of a county.
So my Mrs can work on a hospital ward, I can go in and out of people's houses my kids can go to school but I cant drive out to the moors for a solo run even though its not against the law
Don't know firestarter, but yours sounds sensible behavior, which is the point. Going on an jolly cross border town centre shopping and / or boozing day out from a tier 3 into a tier 2 is what they're trying to stop I would assume. It seemed the norm IMO over summer and autumn, but now sounds like they're making an effort to limit it. No idea if it's true.
You'd have thought after lockdown 1's pointless, unpopular and ineffective officious shenanigans they'd have learnt by now
Do the police have the powers to stop this?
If I drive from W Yorks to N Yorks to go for a walk for 4 hrs (in the rain) what can they actually do to stop me? I've heard a few stories like this but as far as I'm aware doing this is not illegal nor prohibited. It's just advised against.
There were photos on the Lancs Live website showing police stopping people travelling into N Yorks from Lancashire and threatening action. I was supposed to be meeting one of my pals in the Dales (he's from Barrowford) but he backed out because of this. I looked and could find no mention of it being against the law anywhere. "Advised against" was the strongest I could find. It's no wonder the Police are unpopular and mistrusted, is it?
How can they fine people if they haven’t broken any law?
This was during actual lockdown, when it was essential journeys only.
I have absolutely no 1st hand account, but lots of chat in Skipton that this weekend transport police entrenched at Skipton train station have been checking tickets and sending Lancastrians back on the next train to their shit tip of a county.
Not sure under which regulations they could do this. It's only 'advice', not law that you can't travel from Tier 3 to Tier 2.
BTP probably still think we're in lockdown though. The advice/rules have changed so often that I'm starting to lose track.
If it was law that you can't travel outside your area, I'd have no problem with it, but if it's just advice the Police have nothing to enforce?
Typical incompetence by the government when it comes to the whole handling of this mess.
My wife's mate got stopped on the back road between Silsden and Farnhill (North/West Yorks) the other day. We went Skipton-Bradford return on the main road last Friday and didn't see any rozzers stopping folk.
My wife’s mate got stopped on the back road between Silsden and Farnhill (North/West Yorks)
Bizarre...
What daytripper would use this tiny lane instead of the dual carriageway about half a mile away?
Bizarre…What daytripper would use this tiny lane instead of the dual carriageway about half a mile away?
Daytrippers who are trying to avoid being caught by the police! Happened in Derbyshire during first lockdown, the police soon found that people were avoiding the A-roads (on the assumption that they'd be seen/caught) and using tiny little back lanes which then lead to problems with traffic congestion in little villages.
My brother-in-law (N. Yorks) got stopped during lockdown - he's a horse vet and routinely travels into West Yorkshire on call-out. He also has a load of documentation explaining why his car is full of drugs and a bolt gun!
I’ve got family in Guisborough. I can confirm via them that the police were out and about hassling people round Roseberry / Great Ayton this weekend (telling folk to go home / taking names and car reg numbers / threatening to fine people)
Heard that as well in Guis, it's pissed a lot of people off. It's one of those where you'd hope the police would have some sense. Before the Lockdown Puritans chirp in - the local situation is that the main carparks for climbing Roseberry Topping are in Redcar & Cleveland. 99.5% of the climb is in Redcar & Cleveland but the trig point is in N Yorkshire. Edit: also for many people in Redcar and Cleveland the quickest driving route to said car parks takes you through a slither of N Yorks as well.
It'd be interesting to hear from one of our Police forumites on this just to understand what they've been asked to "enforce". What powers are they exerting?
Somethings like stopping hordes of people from Keighley going on the lash in Skipton is understandable but stopping people going into a nearby/local neighbouring area for exercise is a bit strange. It'd be different if they drove from Stoke to Keswick.
he local situation is that the main carparks for climbing Roseberry Topping are in Redcar & Cleveland. 99.5% of the climb is in Redcar & Cleveland but the trig point is in N Yorkshire.
That is just dumb policing, and I'm fairly puritanical about these matters.
As I understand it, you can travel between areas but are advised not to. Once in a different tier area, you are supposed to behave as though you were in the same tier as at home. So I could travel from Darlington (tier 3) into North Yorkshire (tier 2) and only be disregarding the advice, not breaking the law. However, if I then went into a pub or cafe, I'd be breaking the law.
A pub just across the border from us announced that they were going to stay closed because they didn't want to have to deal with turning away people from tier 3 areas - I'd seen several locals posting on Facebook that they were planning on going there for a pint with a meal.
I'd guess the police are trying to avoid confrontations in pubs?
Wouldn't parking outside a pub would be easier to check people going in to the pubs?
Once in a different tier area, you are supposed to behave as though you were in the same tier as at home.
Almost - you should behave according to the most restrictive tier. So if you live in a T2 area and visit a T3 then you should follow those T£ guidelines. If you live in a T3 area and visit a T2 area then you should still follow T3 guidelines.
It gets me that I can't for example have a socially distanced family pub meal with just our household all covid secure yet at Christmas you can create a so called bubble of 3 families , id take the meal out anyday
Bit confused by that FS. You think it's safer for the family to be in a pub with loads of other groups, and loads of groups before and after you, than to be in a selected fixed group of people you know well in your/ their home?
Not sure I agree...
I'm not sure any social gathering is covid secure whether in a pub, home or elsewhere.
Low risk is not the same as zero risk which is the message that a lot people still don't understand.
I went for a meal when we were allowed, no one near us, we had mask til we ate, the server wore a mask we sat ate and left did not contact anyone now although that my not be as safe as me staying at home its a lot safer than some peoples so called bubbles, I know I've been called out to a few places that were a joke
I've had covid and so has the mrs and we were ill I in particular am still on the mend so I don't take it lightly but yes I think me having a socially distanced meal at a sensible place is safer than many people will be this Christmas
Good to hear that you're on the mend
Cheers mate its been a long old journey
So I could travel from Darlington (tier 3) into North Yorkshire (tier 2) and only be disregarding the advice, not breaking the law. However, if I then went into a pub or cafe, I’d be breaking the law.
It's against the law for pubs to open to serve customers inside in tier 3, not for people to visit and sit inside pubs. That might be the intention but our laws have to actually specify what you can't do. Therefore it's perfectly legal to go to a pub for a meal as long as you don't break the other restrictions.
I had a trip out to Scar House Res for a walk and lunch in the Pub in Lofthouse yesterday. Traveling from Otley there wasn't any border checks and the single police officer I saw didn't do anything.
Almost – you should behave according to the most restrictive tier.
Yes, of course. I was thinking in terms of someone travelling to a lower tier area.
It’s against the law for pubs to open to serve customers inside in tier 3, not for people to visit and sit inside pubs. That might be the intention but our laws have to actually specify what you can’t do. Therefore it’s perfectly legal to go to a pub for a meal as long as you don’t break the other restrictions.
Except restaurants in tier 3 aren't allowed to serve food to eat in? So residents of tier 3 can't legally sit in the tier 2 pub to eat food.
Wouldn’t parking outside a pub would be easier to check people going in to the pubs?
Not if you wanted to avoid lots of aggravated people in the same place.
Except restaurants in tier 3 aren’t allowed to serve food to eat in? So residents of tier 3 can’t legally sit in the tier 2 pub to eat food.
That's not how UK law works. I only can't go to a pub in tier 3 as they're not open. If I went to an open tier 3 pub they'd be breaking the law but as long as I was only with my household group I wouldn't be. The actual legislation is here
