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This isn’t looking good is it? Goes out for a walk and vanishes. Searches have now been going on for over 24hrs.
I genuinely hope he’s ok, one of TV’s nicer and well respected scientist/presenters.
Yeah, its all a bit mad. Hope he's OK.
Yes very worrying.
its all a bit mad
Yeah, folk go missing in the hills often enough (especially around here) and it's often falls or slips on innocuous terrain that is the culprit. There was a case of a man and his 12 year old son only last week..
I'm sure he'll be found. Might not be the outcome that everyone hopes for tho.
Over the years I've listened to a lot of his radio stuff and like his approach to the advice he gives.
Hoping for the best but fearing the worst especially with the heat they are having at the moment
Didn't he suffer from Mental Health issues ?
It's very strange that his phone was at their accommodation. I can't imagine it's a place that's got a lot of CCTV so trying to work out where he might be must be a nightmare. Been a fan of him for years so really hoping he's found safe and well
I wish there was a chance that he is okay but that unfortunately is extraordinarily unlikely.
I can imagine a situation in which he took unnecessary risks to see what the effects would be on his body, eg a walk at 1.30pm during a heatwave.
He long believed in the benefits of very cold water :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001t9jt
Sometimes things went wrong
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-mail-on-sunday/20190818/282741998445189
It's worth also remembering that this is a man who swallowed a tape worm to see the effects on his body.
A remarkable man who has helped a lot of people understand more about health and science.
It’s very strange that his phone was at their accommodation.
That might just be because he spends his life on it when working and was on holiday. Certainly hope so. I'm another who likes his approach, a nice change from the vast majority of the "health advocates" who mostly seem to be selling stuff and vastly oversimplifying.
It’s very strange that his phone was at their accommodation
I thought he forgot it on the beach, no?
Over 48 hours missing during the summer, with temps hitting approx 40C on Wednesday when he vanished, odds of a positive outcome are very slim.
Carpe diem, things can happen, even when on holiday!
And take your mobile out with you instead of leaving it in the holiday home unless really impractical, even if you put it on DND.
Hope he’s OK.
Yeh very worrying, I've followed his various books, programs and podcasts over the years , seems a genuinely nice bloke with some down to earth and interesting advice.
I thought he forgot it on the beach, no?
BBC news article says "His phone was found where he was staying with his wife"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl552xdq79do
My wife thinks he's patronising in his presentation, but I disagree. He's dispensed some very sensible advice based on lived experience, and isn't afraid to try stuff to see what the effect actually is (as per the tapeworm reference above)
Whatever is happening on the island of Symi, I hope it's innocuous, but currently fear it may not be 🥺
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl552xdq79doDivers looking for him now as well as helicopter and drones.
Says his wife was on the beach where he started his walk to the centre of the island. His phone was found at their accommodation.
I like his podcasts he s covered some fab subjects. The path he took runs alongside the sea, clear and only 20 mins apparently. It was hot though, 40 degrees. Must be awful for his family.
Weirdly the animal rescue I volunteer at was due for a visit from the production team of his podcast this Saturday to discuss the benefits of volunteering. I doubt that'll happen now. 🙁
CCTV has picked him up at a local shop not long after he left his wife so doesn't look like he's gone walkabout in the hills.
CCTV has picked him up at a local shop not long after he left his wife so doesn’t look like he’s gone walkabout in the hills.
Sadly that's the shops in the village near the beach he started at. So he negotiated the path along the water's edge. But he was due to walk inland from there towards their villa.
It doesn't look good sadly. Assuming everything is possible at this stage including suspicious circumstances.
His 800 cal diet got me back on the straight and narrow. His R4 programs I found so so. They assumed zero prior knowledge which is probably a good thing but as someone above said of their wife's opinion - that could make him a little condescending sounding at times - though I imagine that was never the intent.
New CCTV footage from a house shows him heading to a path into the hills at 2pm.
Apparently the route is hard to follow, but the island's not that big, maybe 5 miles across, so being an island even if you got lost you just pick a direction and stick to it and end up at the coast before too long, certainly well within the few days, regardless of terrain.
Search is now in it's forth day. Sadly I can't see us hearing from him again.
but the island’s not that big, maybe 5 miles across, so being an island even if you got lost you just pick a direction and stick to it and end up at the coast before too long, certainly well within the few days, regardless of terrain.
I take it you’ve never been that lost with no phone and no compass. Picking a direction and sticking to it across rough ground is actually quite hard. If you have the sun, or perhaps the stars you might manage it, but the sun is his biggest threat there and heat stroke adds confusion. He was an intelligent person so if he’s still been able to think logically he’d have sought shade. The problem then is anywhere shaded will be harder to search from the air.
One of the pix I’ve seen shows him using an umbrella for shade, hopefully he still had it with him.
island’s not that big, maybe 5 miles across
I used to live on an island that's 6x7 miles. It's still a lot of area and it would absolutely be possible to get lost very easily and not be anyone to find the coast.
Yes he is an intelligent person, which is why I'm suggesting that as we're into the forth day he is not simple lost. Maybe I'm give him more credit than is due? It would great of that is the case.
There was a case of a man and his 12 year old son only last week..
Yes, that was a friend of mine from school and was a tough thing to find out. Glen Coe MRT (and other teams) went out for him but, sadly, did not find him in time. If you are part of that team, thank you. I know you would have done everything you could.
The CCTV footage of him walking through the village - at the end of it the camera appears to pan and zoom in on him. That seems a bit odd for a CCTV camera which is presumably static? It really doesn't look like some sort of edit
I carry a Spot - GPS tracker come plb. Every time the annual bill comes I think twice about the renewal (or at least downgrading to a plan where I activate it only for big/remote trips). Stories like this and the poor father and son tragedy up here (sorry to hear you knew him Willard) give me resolve to keep on paying for it. But would I have had it on me for a bimble home from the beach like Mosley was on? Very unlikely.
I do hope they find him soon. Got to say I was surprised the focus was not on the 2nd part of his journey right from the start.
Yet to try it myself, but can even just use some sort of "friends and family" tracking thing on Google Maps, where you obviously have to approve the "stalker." There will be places where your mobile won't have a signal, but well worth having. Free Strava mobile map also has activity tracking for people you approve.
I do hope they find him soon. Got to say I was surprised the focus was not on the 2nd part of his journey right from the start.
depends on what was known of his intentions - the 'second part of his journey' is only really inferred by the direction he appears to be heading in the latest released CCTV. It was only the CCTV, once it was available, that confirms he got from the beach to the village (ior that someone dressed like him was), until that point the only firm sighting was him leaving the beach so it makes sense to start looking from the point where he was last seen.
It can only really be speculated where he went from that point - you can't even really be certain he left the village, just that he was walking in the direction of the edge of the village in the last known footage
The CCTV footage of him walking through the village – at the end of it the camera appears to pan and zoom in on him. That seems a bit odd for a CCTV camera which is presumably static? It really doesn’t look like some sort of edit
Thats someone filming the CCTV screen with their phone
depends on what was known of his intentions – the ‘second part of his journey’ is only really inferred by the direction he appears to be heading in the latest released CCTV. It was only the CCTV, once it was available, that confirms he got from the beach to the village (ior that someone dressed like him was), until that point the only firm sighting was him leaving the beach so it makes sense to start looking from the point where he was last seen.
It can only really be speculated where he went from that point – you can’t even really be certain he left the village, just that he was walking in the direction of the edge of the village in the last known footage
This could escalate into an unhelpful and unseemly he said she said about a very sad live search so I'll leave it after this, but....right from the first report it was stated that his wife said he left the beach with the specific intention to walk back to their villa - which was some distance inland of the village near the beach. So looking at the terrain the first place I'd have been looking is the rough ground between the village and the villa with much higher risk of accident and error. They might well have done of course - these media reports are always a case blurred simplified versions of the truth.
Thats someone filming the CCTV screen with their phone
Ah, right
It's really difficult looking for someone when there are no clues, I ve been out a few times here in Spain when someone walking has gone missing. I know all the local tracks as walk them regularly, however, missing person could be off piste, in a well sheltering, may not even be in the local area. Add in snake bites, wild dog attacks, fall down well looking for water, not wanting to be found, something more sinister. His family must be distraught.
Not saying anything about the ongoing search.
the island’s not that big, maybe 5 miles across, so being an island even if you got lost
I used to live near some densely forested national park. A volunteer went out to do some bushcare - think trail building for people that love plants. She disappeared and every possible technique and search team was deployed to find her for a prolonged period. 4 years later her remains were found 150m away from her last known spot where she was working. The point is that it's possible to get lost in a tiny area.
body found (bbc) 🙁
Body found. Bugger 😕
BBC News - Body found in search for presenter Michael Mosley
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kk9gvw8l0o
Awful as it is at least it will help his loved ones to come to terms with their loss more than if he had fallen into the sea and it had taken many more days to find his body.
So in that respect it must be welcomed news. I hope it helps them to find the answers to what exactly happened.
As a fan I'm quite upset. He was one of the good guys. Trying to help us all stay healthy.
RIP.
Sad news. I enjoyed his output.
Very sad. His podcast is my bedtime listen.
Be nice to think that due to the coverage of this a few people who haven't heard of him or listened to his programs or read his books and articles might become familiar with his message and make some small changes to make there own lives better and healthier. I expect his family will hear a lot from people who have already improved their own lives not just because of what he said but of how he said it.
Really really sad.
We're regular listeners of his output but unfortunately it seemed to be the outcome that was coming following over the last few days.
Great bloke. Such a tragedy.
Oh jeez, just seen the news. What a loss, thoughts are with his family - RIP Michael.
Very sad.
Always listened carefully to what he had to say.
RIP
I still remember his documentary 30 years ago about Barry Marshall discovering stomach ulcers were often/usually caused by a bacteria and hence were treatable with anti biotics.
Very sad news. Thoughts with his family and friends.
I never saw any of his documentaries/programs but I was aware of his output, a real shame given how health and fitness conscious he was. It just seems very odd and so out of character that he choose to walk in such heat with his medical knowledge.
It just seems very odd and so out of character that he choose to walk in such heat with his medical knowledge.
I would not be surprised if he had decided to use the opportunity to observe the effects of the heat on his body. He was known for using his body for experiments.
Obviously more will be known after the postmortem but it is now thought that he fell, so heat might not have been a direct cause of his death.
I heard that the PM stated only “natural causes”
That's very broad ranging isn't it? I think that just means nobody attacked him, he wasn't hit by a car etc. Presumably even a snake bite would fall under the boad auspices of "natural".
Obviously more will be known after the postmortem but it is now thought that he fell, so heat might not have been a direct cause of his death.
I think the press reports, which should be viewed with a big pinch of salt, suggest that now they knew where to look they could find him on CCTV and see his final moments. It wasn't a "fall" as in fall off a cliff, but exactly what you might expect if someone was totally heat exhausted. I don't know how rigorous PM's are in Greece for non-criminal dealths. I think those hoping for detailed answers may not get them, and certainly not quickly as they'll do toxicology and that will take weeks.
Yes I understood natural causes just ruled out anything sinister.
I always remember being with an uncle, a medical professor, we saw a chap running in the heat of the day, he said, that chaps doing himself more harm than good.
Lesson learned, another top tip, always start hydration the night before. Bad bit is the toilet visits in the night.
I remember being 19 and my moped broke down in Ibiza in the hot sun so I had to push it to the nearest phone box (police station it turned out) and I was exhausted and hospitalised. I could comfortably play several rounds of 7's rugby then. Only 3 hour's of exposure. Had no water.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/28418387/dr-michael-mosley-position-prevent-fainting/
It does seem that he died of heat exhaustion from the preliminary findings of the post mortem.
And several hours before he was reported missing by his wife.
Lesson learned, another top tip, always start hydration the night before.
Another lesson.. Never go rambling alone.. Especially in that heat.. (or indeed cold) A twisted ankle could easily be the end of you if you can't walk a mile to the closest house or whatever, it might aswell be a hundred miles.
Very sad.. I found his documentaries very interesting but it does seem like a schoolboy error.
My wife and I were talking about this yesterday and I could see she was getting quite upset. I found this strange as I'm the one that always listened to his podcast - she rarely did and anyway, tragic though it was we didn't know him...
Turned out that many times during our marriage I've done this type of thing - that was just what YOU would have done she said.. always wanting to walk home or cycle home or go exploring when we are somewhere strange in all sorts of conditions day or night. YOU would have died that day too...
Which to be fair is pretty true and there are a few instances over the years where things could have gone a bit wrong.
Weird really but then I guess men do this type of thing more than women in my experience. The sexes are different after all.
Weird really but then I guess men do this type of thing more than women in my experience. The sexes are different after all.
I think it is accepted that men take more risks than women. There is an evolutionary logic - if the man is the hunter gatherer then if he doesn't take calculated risks his genes are likely to survive. Woman on the other hand are less likely to see their genes/off springs survive if they take risks.
Never go rambling alone.. Especially in that heat.. (or indeed cold) A twisted ankle could easily be the end of you if you can’t walk a mile to the closest house or whatever, it might aswell be a hundred miles.
Stop right there.
Stop right there.
I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to cause offence. But equally, people have to take a bit of personal responsibility.
Does anyone remember that walking the Nile documentary where Matthew Power died of heatstroke? Just seemed like he was getting a bit tired and then he died, and he was a fit 39 year old. It was pretty shocking.
I still remember very well Dr Mosley deliberately swallowed a tapeworm egg for experiment. He had it for a month in his stomach! Since then I have been very careful with meat. Well, been double careful with meat.
Just seemed like he was getting a bit tired and then he died, and he was a fit 39 year old. It was pretty shocking.
I used to go fishing at 12 noon in Borneo as a teen and could stay directly under the sun for hours (34c average). But after leaving Borneo for many years, I went home and went fishing with my friend again under direct sunlight I felt unwell within an hour or so. Rather scary and even had cold sweat.
I wonder if the fact that Michael Mosley had only arrived the day before to the island in the midst of a heatwave contributed to him being overcome by the heat?
Does your body need to acclimatise?
Does your body need to acclimatise?
Yes, minimum 6 months to 3 years depending on your health.
Took me almost 3 years to acclimatise to British weather.
Does your body need to acclimatise?
Absloutley. Southern Spain has had record heat temps year upon year for the last few years. It's the same reason olive harvests are failing and why good quality olive oil is now crazy expensive.
I appreciate it's an Island he died on, rather than mainland spain, but it proper bakes in Jun-Jul-Aug, it's not even funny, it's dangerous.
This all feels a bit grotesque.
I have always half assumed that the need to acclimatise to heat was more psychological rather than physiological.
I am not sure what physical changes might occur in your body that would take several days, other than maybe something to do with your blood.
But having checked it does seem that 1-2 weeks are required for your body to physically adjust.
So if Michael Mosley had arrived from the UK a couple of days before then I guess it is reasonable to suppose that it might have been a contributory factor.
I have always half assumed that the need to acclimatise to heat was more psychological rather than physiological.
It's both.. but you still need water and if you break your leg and there's no one around, you'll be dead..
I don't think people are appreciating how hot it can get... I don't even go outdoors this time of year for more than a few hours at at a time to go from one place to another...it's not hill walking temps.
It typically takes 2+ weeks of training while taking on plenty of fluids, to get cycling stats on the turbo similar to outdoors, as acclimatisation takes place after not doing threshold efforts indoors for more than a few weeks.
Acclimatisation works to a point, but there are definitely limits. Mid-thirties and humidity is horrendous.
Locally i've known of a couple of deaths of people - one a fit pilot guy in his early 30s on a dirt bike ride. Another was a roadworker.
I read this a while back about the Nepalese that go to work in the Middle East: ‘Going abroad cost me my health’: Nepal’s migrant workers coming home with chronic kidney disease | Global development | The Guardian
I also met a researcher through work that did his PhD on exercise in extreme climatic environments and was now doing studies on Bangladeshi (?) textile factory conditions - the sweat shops really are dangerous for this, and as conditions have been getting hotter people are at greater risk.
I'm sure there's someone on here that does research into this stuff in relation to exercise, too... he shared a survey on caffeine use in sport a couple of years ago.
But yes. Mosley would definitely have known the risks of extreme heat.
Can we maybe just keeo this to paying respects rather than speculations and tasteless comments. Ta
I have always half assumed that the need to acclimatise to heat was more psychological rather than physiological.
There are definitely physiological changes, too - blood density changes, sweat rates and so on. From all I've read it takes about 2 weeks of exercising to adjust. That seems to match up to personal experience, as the heat here tends to rocket up mid-June (so sometime next week, probably) and the first week or so is pretty grim. That said, experience is definitely a factor, too, and of course running locally I know what clothes to wear, where there's likely to be water, the amount of shade etc.
Full disclaimer: I'm not a doctor, just a runner that needs to take this into account every year.