went shopping last night.
Been looking for old record vice' for a while - in the north east they are as rare as sun.
gumtree came up trumps yesterday - phoned the chap , drove to fyvie - real bandit country up there , glad i dont drive a posh car.
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number 3 and number 4 records- looking at the jaws hardly used.
tempted to strip em grease em and paint em , found instructions via the landy forums on how to strip. They have a little hesitation when winding them out- i put this down to lack of use over the years as they are old made in sheffield ones (says made in england in the photo , on the other side it says made in sheffield on the slider)
Perfect opportunity to recycle some quarter inch plate from work and build a new bench at a working height - current bench is just slightly low.
much better than the rotating piece of crap i inherited when i moved in , wont stay still - well , it did after i welded it in place 😀
Good stuff 😉
I've just acquired a 4" Swindens for the grand total of £45 - striped it down and it's now off to the powdercoaters for a repaint (someone had covered it in green gloss Dulux), but it's a beauty...
😀 open them up half a turn have seen one shear when fully shut and it got really cold in a workshop 😯
i paid 100 quid for the pair of them.
probably a touch over priced but as i said , jaws look hardly used compared to some of the battered vices ive turned down.
and NEW no where near as good irwin record chinese vices no 3 and no4 are 120 quid plus each
will do loco but thats how i got em and im sure my workshop is warmer than their previous home.
Trail Rat, No 4s are great vices, it should be easy enough to strip, clean and regrease. As you say there is no comparison between the Made in England quality and the imported ones.
I graduated to a 75 which I picked up when the Stromness Academy was relocating and the metalwork teacher and fellow Vintage Club member was selling them off. I still can't believe that someone specced such awesome vices for a school without someone raising an eyebrow as to their cost.
Since then I've found a few more 😳
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I've been looking on gumtree for a while to no avail, I'll keep trying. Then I'll need to build a muckle workbench!.
Muckle. Now there's a word that is much under used! 😆
Tbh i think the number 3 will be mounted first/ used for most
The number 4 is too big for my bench just now but was greedy and took both since ey are rare up here.
He had another number 4 but twas very tatty and heavy used compared to these 2
I have to say I'm very pleased with my Stanley Vice. The rotating base thing is really handy, used that quite a lot with cutting / tapping these steel tubes:
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Got any smaller mounting bolts you could use ? 🙂
They're not bolts. They're the shitty screws that were bolloxing up his nice screwdriver bits. 🙂
You have screwed your vice to the table ? With screws ????
Footflaps, top tip, use cutting fluid when threading, tapping or drilling. It preserves the life of your dies taps and drills keeping them cool.
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I knew I'd get comments on those, but to be honest they're perfectly adequate and I doubt I'll ever get round to buying some bolts to replace them.
Yep, cutting oil is on the list. I wasn't too bothered about the die kit for the electrical tubing as I only had to cut a few threads and I'm done. It will now collect dust on a shelf for the next 20 odd years.....
I reckon they're screws. I even suspect they may well be Goldscrews in cup washers. 😀
They are 6x120 Goldscrews with Homebase washers.
You will when they rip out
They will rip out one day. I broke a fixed jaw casting on a modern irwin record removing a stuck freewheel. Good job it was through bolted.
Screws.....Vice......to the Workbench
w.........t.........f..........
footflaps, you've made me sad
Honestly FF, you really need bolts on that vice. If only for the look... 😐
mine looks quite lonely there. But loads of room to swing on stuff though 😀
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Ipad doesnt room in enough stoner.whats is it ?
cheap and nasty lump of cast iron.
but it grips like a vinegar stroker and it's got an anvil plate on the back for tapping stuff gently
Bemch made of slate boxes is it ?
aye.
limestone slabs.
Bloody nora, I've got one of them vices in my garage. Never realised what it was 😳 Just 'the vice' to me...
Ah well..... Not the kind of vices I was hoping for
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When we moved into our house the previous owner had left a rusty vice in the garage.
Not wanting to waste anything I fixed it to my bench and started using it.
Last week, inspired by something I had read on [url= http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7 ]GarageTrackWorld[/url], I decided to tart it up.
Using a wire brush to remove the worst of the emulsion paint I realise it is a Record 0. Now I need to find some replacement jaws and proper blue paint. Any pointers?
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Note it is held to the bench with proper bolts.
Note it is held to the bench with proper bolts.
Hangs head in shame.....
At least your's [i]is[/i] screwed down! 😳
Serious (numpty) question: why would you need multiple different sized vices?
Serious (numpty) question: why would you need multiple different sized vices?
Looking specifically at me? I had a big workshop that had space for a number of benches that I intended to use them on, is the sensible answer. This being mcmoontertrackviceworld, a bit like the STW bike number formula n+1, you can never have too many nor have to justify them.
"Need"?
Who ever said anything about "need"?
Then I'll need to build a muckle workbench!.
Just get a lot of mickle ones.
Any one know if silverline ever made a reasonable bench drill press ?
Been offered a working one circa 10 years old - 5 speed , belt drive different colour to the new tat they make. Fella wants space
Currently i use a press stand for my corded drill. It cant be much worse.
Nick im planing to have 2 working benches in my garage - multiple projects you see
Trail rat, I've got a good Meddings one that would be much better quality I could sell.
I'm not certain if it has a three phase motor though.
It's something like this. It needs a chuck and No.2 Morse taper. If you are interested I will try ad dig it out and take some pics.
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Mmmmmm interested , model number ? Ballpark figure ? Definantly be preferable to any silverline - my understanding after a quick google was they were always light weight rebranded chinese equipment, likes to vibrate about the bench and nothing tightens up . Probably why the fella just wants the space. More worrying was the photo of the old one is the same as a new one with terrible reviews bar the colour - blue instead of green.
Deffo needs to be single phase 240 though , cant run a single to 3 phase converter out here ill be crucified by her indoors ....100amp fuse on the main circuit but spoke to the hydro boy last time he was here and said 60 amps is about the best we get on our street- with no plans to upgrade any time soon.
I will have a look at it later and get back to you.
Cheers min , email in profile, no major rush as ill be heading to nigeria end of the week i think
I'm obviously a vice ignoramous, what is so good about Record vices?
They last
Broke 3 modern- clarke and irwin records vices in the bike shop with stuck stuff
Replaced it with a number 4 we rescued from the tip and it lasted the rest of my time there without a hint of trouble.
F*** Me! Just looked up the price of a Record Vice (150mm) same as my £50 Stanley thing: List Price £1,087.38 [url= http://www.tooled-up.com/manproduct/irwin-record-t36-no.36-engineers-vice-6-150mm/8107/ ]Here.[/url]
Have you thought about beefing up security for your vices? Maybe leave a few bikes unlocked next to them as decoys?
what is so good about Record vices?
The one I have my dad ( 76 ) remembers as a kid - it was bought, at the latest, in the 1940's.
Does anyone buy vices new? Someone must, but I never have - Bill's Tool Store in the Barras is the place I go to for stuff like this. Last time I was there I got some ex-MOD V-blocks for £20 and a lovely big ex-MOD machine vice also for £20.
They also had some massive Eclipse vices, up to 8" for about £100ish.
I had no idea there was such an active market in 2nd hand vices. Although it seems they are collected more than used.....
Footflaps
i cant see a quick release on your stanley.
The 36 has quick release , this is one feature id like
Oh I definitely use mine a lot - the 4" Record (genuine Sheffield) is used for all wheelbuilding and wheel-related tasks, and there's a no-name 5" one that gets used for framebuilding - that'll be replaced by the Swindens I've just acquired.
Dismantled my old vice last night , found out why i had to tack weld the rotating casting
The casting for the clamp had split through the clamping bolt holes.
Real nasty looking casting full of inclusions and air bubbles . Not surprising really.
i cant see a quick release on your stanley.
Yep, it's missing one. Mine was the cheapest 150mm I could find. Probably good enough for what I'll use it for though...
Tbh thats how i work as well , buy the cheapest reasonable item , if i use it often and it breaks i replace it with something better.
Big ticket items i tend to spend a bit more to get something good first time.
At least if i dont use it again either the cheap item can be chucked/given away or the expensive item sold at not much of a loss.
I figure you have to use something a bit to figure out what features you like / need and then maybe upgrade to something better. That's really why it's just screwed down, I wasn't sure what position to stick it in with the rotating head, so I figured I'd just experiment a bit and move it if it didn't work out well. Plus I need to fit a mill and lathe on the bench, so it may all move again at some point.
If anyone is looking for a Record vice I have a couple hundred of them sitting here...
I'm looking for a record vice... how much? Which model/ condition?
I have a Record No. 24.
It's huge, but needs a refurb. Are they any good?
Where are you all getting the model numbers from? My Record just says 1 TON on it, plus a casting batch number or something on the other side.
No idea what brand mine is. Mate's dad gave it to when I helped clear his garage out.
Has got a quick release. And is "screwed" to the bench. Hasn't budged yet though.
"Referb"? A vice? Are you 'avin a larf? 🙂
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And is "screwed" to the bench.
How come he doesn't get any stick?
I'm going to sulk....
Well I'm another person surprised at the level of interest in vices. I do remember poking around a market and seeing a stall with lots of 2nd hand vices so suppose these were as some have above - some were around £20 I think. I did consider buying one but didn't fancy lugging it home but later saw Lidl were selling one for £12 so bought it - seems I may have made a mistake but works fine so far. I attached it to the work bench my Grandad made me when I was 8 :).
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ooh, i like that back plate on mudshark's. I'm always resting stuff on there, only to knock it off when i use the vice!
Thats the vice i had before mudshark
Will upload photos of what broke.
May just have got a faulty one.
Where are you all getting the model numbers from
The model numbers are cast into the sides. I believe the models are almost unchanged until they were made abroad.
The strongest vices have 'steel' cast into the body. These have a steel slide rather than a cast slide which makes the virtually unbreakable.
Keep your eyes open, if you are lucky you might find a bargain.
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Record No1 mounted in the garage and a No3 I bought my Dad, then when he died I got it from the garage with the rest of his tools when we cleared it both made in England and yes they are quality compared with the tosh they get at work each time we break them.
Just bought a Parkinson No8 of eBay for £40. She's a beaut.
What do the numbers mean?
Got a Record No 23 that was my dad's and is at least 40 years old. Works perfectly of course.
Did have a falling out with a Pals wife when i happened to say that he had positioned his incorrectly. "He is an engineer, he knows better than you" she says. I had pointed out that it was bolted too far back on the bench. But apparently i was wrong.
I wondered what happened the first time he tried to clamp say a foot long pipe vertically in it !
Oh look, it hits the bench. Engineer my arse.
Just had a look in the garage , and i have a Record number 1 written on one side and made in england on the other . Plus some instructions on maintenance . Previous house owner left it .
Rear jaw to be level or infront of bench. Anything else is just dumb.
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The broken bit was cracked badly, used the hammer to finish the break to look at the corrosion and see how long its been split. Its been a while. It also looks like aero chocolate on the x section.
Just had a look at my old vice. It came with the house.
Its a woden 192 woodworkers vice.
Woden vices are as good as Records.
I donated my old Woden to my brother for his new shed.
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Wow would I like a vice, to be honest I would like my bloody garage back so that I can use it as my man cave as opposed to the misses stacking shite in it.............you have all made me sad and I feel unmanly..... 😥
Given we seem to be showing off, I forgot to post my other vice.
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This one's a woodworking one. Record 52 ED. Made in England
I felt compelled to go to the shed and check my vice after reading this 🙂
I'm happy to report that my rusty old vice is indeed a Record, with the all important Steel casting too 😛
No 84 quick release, donated by my FIL after clearing out a lockup. Probably liberated from Invergordon Distillery many moons ago.
Bolted to a steel bench in a manly fashion and when clamping something vertically it sits 50mm off the front of the bench.
lightening edit 😉
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perfect vice, no bolts, weighs a ton,
Huh ?
Just got my Swindens back from ESP, and they've done a lovely job:
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Not bad for £45 😀
wont walk into that before coffee time anyway
Original colour 😉 Someone had painted it with green shed paint, looked awful and needed a bucket of grease to get it moving freely, but I've just bolted it to the bench and it's now as good as new.
Checked mine out the other day. Both Records - an 84 & a 1.
Both given to me 🙂
The 84's referb didn't cost me any money 😉
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Just zipped out to the shed to check mine. 🙂
Record No 4. Bought it from a bicycle shop over 40 years ago when they were closing down to retire. The old guy reckoned it had been on the bench since he was an apprentice and probably from when the shop opened in the 1880s or 90s. Is that likely? Have they been making them unchanged all that time?
Cost me £1 and I had to lug it home 3 miles walking. I've never bolted it down, it's too useful as a mobile tool, and hefty G clamps for when I want to fix it down. However it probably never gets the sort of heavy use it was designed for.
Now I'll have to treat it with a bit more reverence. 🙂
I blame all of you. Just bought a Record Number 2 off ebay....
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Checked mine - Record No 0 - Made in England.
I always have the smallest tool 🙁
