[Closed] Leaving lockon grips behind.......

Have been using silicon grips for the last four or five years.

They don't get all sticky like rubber grips. They don't need replacing every few months as they don't wear out.

Only negative is that they are a pain to remove. Helps if the levers on your bar can be removed without having to remove the grips.

I used renthal push ons wired and glued on so they'll never move.
More comfortable than any other grip I've tried and the ultra tacky are gripper than hell and get better the more sweaty your hands get.

Yes have them on a rigid mtb daily commuter and a street trials bike. ODI longnecks on the latter, harder Lizard Skins on the former (for durability after quickly killing ESI foam grips).

On the hardtail however have some lock-ons and I've been riding it a lot lately.

Could go either when when I replace them. Might have to actually assess the situation again as given up worrying about it! End up sanding down callouses while watching Ali Clarkson videos either way!

Also particularly long lock on - ODI Longneck XL Grips

I used 150mm Superstar lock on grips for a long time while they made them, shame they ever stopped.

There will never be a lock-on as cushy as a slide on mushroom grip, seths bike hacks has a great method involving cable ties in the grip for installation, it makes them easier to slide on then just pull the ties out, works better than hairspray, alcohol or spray paint that some people swear by, fuse wire keeps water out but I've never needed it.

I had a similar revelation with ODI Longnecks. I've got big hands and used to ride mostly DH and suffered with really painful fingers. I just don't get on with a thin piece of rubber attached to a plastic tube.

I've had Longnecks on every bike now for the last 5 years at least. I find they stick absolutely solid on the slightly textured finish of a Renthal Fatbar so I've never had the dreaded spinning grips that use to happen before lock-ons.

I've currently got the ultra tacky Renthal push ons and they're very similar. Smaller diameter but very soft and sticky. No finger pain or cramps in the Alps last year. Can't wait until they wear out and I can get some more Longnecks though.

Lock ons are a hard plastic tube covered in a thin layer of rubber.

I run Oury ATV grips and renthal ultra tacky

See also BMX grips, nice and long and cushy

Have you looked at the Chromag range?

Looked for the Chromag Clutch grip (a lot) but no stock anywhere to be found. That would have been my preferred option. Still the same thin coating of rubber over a hard plastic tube though, so I am quite glad I couldn't find any. Loving the old school ODI mushroom feel.

The only issue I have had since moving to push ons is that at uplift venues such as BPW and Revolution where they put a strap on your grip, they always end up moving.

 I spend quite a bit of time on my ‘ghost bar ends’ I thought about changing the grips so that I was holding onto something squidgy (sorry for the technical term) rather than the lockon collar.

Cane Crake Ergo bar ends.

ODI longnecks here also.
I too have been at mtb ....for ever. I used to use bmx grips. Which are basically same. Even mushrooms cut to fit sti’s.
My freak hands hang off the end of a lot of lock on grips.
Is it all the years of pounding make the hands widen?
The mind has been widened also so that’s good when the body starts to crumble and sag. Crumble and sag. I think I need ant shirt with that on for the skate park!

renthal push ons wired and glued on so they’ll never move

Love the Kevlars, nice combination of comfort and grip and still last a decent time.  I don’t bother with glue just wire and they have never shifted

at uplift venues such as BPW and Revolution where they put a strap on your grip, they always end up moving

Not even uplift straps have shifted mine but I do wire them in four places

I’m so glad that I don’t have a issue with lock-ons. I can’t imagine doing without them, and going back to worrying about my grips sliding around, and all that pita in getting them off eventually.

Renthal Push on’s either Super tacky or Kevlar, fitted with brake cleaner then wired, I just don’t like the feeling of a tube over a tube with lock-on’s.

Lock ons are a hard plastic tube covered in a thin layer of rubber.

ODI Rougue excepted.

That's my go-to, I put a set of ODI Yeti on the commuter that I had spare and they are awful, exactly as you describe. The old Kona grips were far superior. I've been considering the usefulness of lockons for a while now.

Ergotec GP1s are another level though, I got my missus a pair and now feel the need to get myself some too.

The new ODI Floats are the absolute bollocks. Basically like an ESI, except durable.

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The only issue I have had since moving to push ons is that at uplift venues such as BPW and Revolution where they put a strap on your grip, they always end up moving.

I have ODI Floats and ESI Racer's Edges on all my bikes now (a random mix of the two, not even sure what bike's got what) and I haven't had this issue. I've had the grip twist a little bit, but not really move.

I binned off lock on grips as my little fingers kept going numb, slip on grips just feel nicer.

Ive got some silicone grips on my bike (siliconez?), Ive got big hands so even odi rogues Im basicly holding two metal collars with my palm on some rubber between them. I went with the thicker versions.

I tried uberbike XL grips but despite my big hands didnt really get on with the large diameter, although it kinda works if youre used to thick gloves and want to ride without them.

I ditched dual clamp grips for single clamp and they made a huge improvement.

Spank Spikes are the perfect grip.

The rounded end cap is more comfy than a lock on (Chromag) & stops the end of the rubber getting torn up (Ergon) when you crash.

See also BMX grips, nice and long and cushy

That is what I use, currently Odyssey Keyboards which are very squidgy and comfortable and also 165mm long so I can move my hands around. I don't have brake or gear levers to worry about and love having really long grips.
My grispsnever move so don't need lock-on.
- Slide on with hairspray to install
- Slide down an old spoke halfway down grip and pour in a bit of water to slide off

ODI Attacks & Renthal grip glue 👌

For those with big hands I don't think that you will find a better grip than the Sensus Meaty Paws.

worrying about my grips sliding around, and all that pita in getting them off eventually

I’ve always found that buying dual compound grips (ie with a denser material against the bar) and fitting with WD-40 works great. I’ve never had them move; removal takes a little patience, a tiny Allen key to gradually slide under them, and more WD-40 into the gap it creates. Admittedly my level of rad is more Repack than Rampage, but it’s worked for me for as long as I can remember.

I tried a set of the Renthal Super Tacky push ons, which I wired in place & had no issues with at moving at all & they felt amazing.

But, they lasted less than a week in Whistler. I run the edge of my palm off the end of the bars and the end of the grip by the plug wore down to the bar, which was annoying. hands we're pretty much black by the end of a ride where they basically fell apart under them.

Single ring lock on grips have been my savior in recent years, the older ODI ones with a locking at both ends were brutal, literally bruising my palms on big days out. I would like to try something more like the Renthals again, but one that lasted.

Can you wire on the Longnecks?

Core strengthening exercises? have you put on some lockdown timber?. I used to use ODI rogue when I was a biffer, 4 stones lighter and nice thin SC palmdale grips are just as good.

I use chromag wax.

I use super glue and wire. It is a pain swapping them, but they are comfy, durable and cheap.

They spun occasionally with wire. I saw an advert for the renthal push on that came with glue. The tube of glue looks exactly the same as super glue.

So lighter, cheaper and stronger but more hassle.

Renthal kelvar last much longer.

Used lock-ons when they first came out - they solved a problem.

But at the cost of comfort - properly installed push on grips never move. Whenever anyone asks the grip question the answer is always ODI Longneck

Just a thought but if you're riding with your hands over the edge of the bar I don't think you get to complain about any grip not working. You're not using them properly!

You're putting the end of a narrow metal pipe into the soft, fleshy palm of your hand and then riding down a mountain. Guess why that hurts. It's nothing to do with the grips.

Have you noticed the recent explosion in very wide handlebars? Maybe get some that are wide enough that you can have your whole hand on the cushioned rubber bit so you don't have to clench onto the most unsuitable part and have your soft meat pummelled so hard.

It's like choosing to ride with your feet only half on the pedals.

The cheapest maximum hold hairspray is what you need to make sure grips never move.
If you need to remove them, use a thin allen key and more hairspray to get them off.
I prefer ergon grips with the little wings, but tbh I hadn’t considered that it could be the fact that lock on grips have much thinner rubber than a slide on grip.

I've took ESI grips off my bars the other day so I could swap in some carbon loops. The ESI grips have been on the bike since the end of 2014 and have been ace. I only swapped to try the carbon loops

But I used mine with Cane Creek Ergo bar ends, which really are good. Took the grips off with cable ties poked down and WD40

I went back to push ons several years ago, could never find a grip that I didn't end up hating.

I now use Lizard Skins Chargers on all my bikes, you can pick them up for less than a tenner. Never had problems with them sliding around.

Lock-ons are a solution to a problem that doesn't exist IMO.

Just a thought but if you’re riding with your hands over the edge of the bar I don’t think you get to complain about any grip not working. You’re not using them properly!

You’re putting the end of a narrow metal pipe into the soft, fleshy palm of your hand and then riding down a mountain. Guess why that hurts. It’s nothing to do with the grips.

Have you noticed the recent explosion in very wide handlebars? Maybe get some that are wide enough that you can have your whole hand on the cushioned rubber bit so you don’t have to clench onto the most unsuitable part and have your soft meat pummelled so hard.

It’s like choosing to ride with your feet only half on the pedals.

Thanks - if only I hadn't thought of moving my hands as an option!

It actually does have quite a lot to do with the type of grip - lock ring sits right on the outer edge of the palm, hence why single long ring grips exist & have basically become the 'go to' over the last few years, because a lot of people do exactly the same. A quick flick through any race recap of gravity riders shows this is 'normal'.

Already running 800mm bars, which are plenty wide enough, but thanks 🙂

what do people mean by "wiring" their grips, struggling to get a mental picture?

Next time I go out I'm going to have my feet hanging off the sides of my pedals all day. Just so the sharp, outer edge really digs in to the sole of my foot.

Then I'll come on here and ask what flat pedals I should buy to stop my feet from hurting.

what do people mean by “wiring” their grips, struggling to get a mental picture?

Wrap a couple of loops of lock wire around the grip, one each end, and twist tight to secure them. Some grips come with grooves in which to run the wire.

The new lock-on Longnecks address the comfort and bar narrowing issues that outer collars cause. Super soft compound - feel lovely. Shorter than slide-on longnecks, but not bad at 135mm
http://odigrips.com/store/bmx/bmx-products/longneck-lockon-135mm

These are also really nice. http://odigrips.com/store/mtb/mtb-products/elitelock-ongrips-2318
I've got the thinner Elite Flows but may get these next.
The Elite line up have asymmetrical cores to give more cushioning where you want it.

You’re putting the end of a narrow metal pipe into the soft, fleshy palm of your hand and then riding down a mountain. Guess why that hurts. It’s nothing to do with the grips.

regardless of the bars width, shifter location and brake location i do this by default and always have. dunno why. it feels wierd to ride inboard on the grip? i guess it comes from years and years riding too small bars. i also only like certain bars as any with with too much back or upsweep hurts my wrists/hands.

I'm on oury push ons and they are the best so far - also only £5 a pop from planet x! . i also like the Longnecks on by pumptrack bike and some fat specialized single lock-on ones i bought at BPW years ago but the oury are nicer - i can even ride them gloveless with no hand fatigue. i trim the outside and inside flanges. oury are doing a V2 with a single lock on which i'll try if they ever import them.

i dont know why people like thin grips and its not like i have massive hands - i just find thin grips give me massive callouses and blisters. and outboard lock ons are hte work of the devil.

I use Santa Cruz Palmdales, they only have a lockring the inside and are pretty squidgy. Big (XL/XXL gloves) handed.

I did get pins & needles in my left hand after this morning's ride. But that was on drop bars 🙂

My 2p
Lock on Grips, yeah, I've been riding them since their introduction too. Late 80's maybe.
If you have to hold on hard at all, they can feel pretty hard, I agree. I even tried those "shopping bike": things with. palm flap from Ergon, yuk.
So, for a few years I tried to find a push on I liked. (before Renthal made the extra tackys)

ESI never suited me too fat, too fragile, and mushroom BMX grips (I used Ruben Alcantara's signature Fly Grips take on those for ages, the new ones are pretty. nice, no flared outer ends and a lovely length at 160mm.) Wet no gloves? I think they'll get slippy.

Recently tried the promising looking Chromag Semenuk Wax (supposedly "tacky") and as soon as my (bare) hands became sweaty I was slipping, even without rain - bit fat for me too at about 31mm (I think). I've read that the Spanks aren't good in the wet gloveless either, sad as they look like great grips with a nice endcap.

Extra Tacky Rental Traction grips are quite a good workaround for sore hands / wrists and became my go-to a few years ago, it’s a very clever design those fluted ribs, amazing even when wet. The black haps syndrome does wear off and the stickiness is something you get used to it's worth it!
Best without gloves IMO - because they hold your hand!
If you insist ion gloves there are less tacky (harder wearing) versions that would do I think.

It's easy to underestimate how much hand and forearm stress comes from having to grip hard to keep hold on rough ground. My thumbs are getting arthritis and the Tractions were a massive help.
[along with daily decent quality Krill oil capsules, I get mine here, it's a good source: https://www.lovelifesupplements.co.uk/collections/all#oid=1023_1 - search "Krill")

I'm happy with the lock on nature of the Extra Tacky Tractions because they feel soft enough and when you don't need to hold on hard you don't "feel" the inner tube of the lock on design. But, I still don't like the outer end collar, I do so wish they'd make a single collar version like the Spank above.
[Anyone tried cutting one collar off a Rental Traction grip?]
They wear fast and even with 820mm (Vibrocore) bars, I find the outer edge of my palm touching the collar once that bit starts to wear.

Renthal's Extra Tacky push ons are great too, wired properly. And hands are OK right at the ends. But they aren't as good as Extra Tacky Tractions without gloves once wet because they don't have the clever flutes.
Now I'm tempted to try the PNW Loam grip, No end collar is nice and they are supposed to be tacky.
Worth a go? Anyone compared to the Extra Tacky Renthals?

Maybe the DMR Raceday Deathgrips would compare with Renthal Extra Tackys for tackiness?

New grips! nearly as tempting as new tyres. The grass is always greener.

stay safe on those trails
NeilB

Hey check out what Nico does to his Oury grips here: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/down-the-rabbithole-nico-vouilloz-on-bike-setup-and-design.html
So what are the little touches then? The little things that you're a maniac about on your bike, because if we start at the cockpit and work backwards.

Well, first I have some wrist problems. Crashing, again and again. So one of my wrists is really bad, so I really pay attention to the grip I put on my bike, and I need something with quite a thick pattern, But I don't like big grips, I always rode with a small diameter. So to compensate, I cut the Oury below, because I have the wider section on top that is quite thick. But I reduce a bit the diameter for my finger below where I don't need a big grip.

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@mudfish I have used Renthal Ultra Grippy push ons and now have PNW Loam Grips, I would say the ultra grippy still have the slight edge on grip, but it would be quite close.

PNW are pretty comfortable for lock-on grip, had some Oneup grips to try before these, they have bars across the back similar to the Renthals but I found that the outer end of the grip moved too much for my liking, although I have heard they have altered the design of the inner tube since, reducing the size of the cut outs, allowing for more plastic and less twisting. The concept of the Oneup grips is good, so it would be interesting to see if the more recent design is better than before. They were quite grippy, but I am sure I read they have made them softer again too...

Quite happy with my PNW grips at the moment so doubt I will change soon.