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Made the decision to spend my hours exercise out for a walk with the family. We got to the junction near my house and three guys, all around the same age rock up to the junction, hilariously one shouts left the other right and two of the three pull straight out as one of the only cars on the road goes past.
I got back and checked the Strava segment, just to make sure my shouts of anger were not in error.... Sure enough three guys out, all live in different places near each other in Stockton on Tees, all out for a quick hour oh sorry nope....try 125km and 4h40 or so!
One has a nice picture of himself up at Hamsterley as his profile pic so maybe he comes on here. If so and you're reading this, good effort mate!
(cough... male hen)
Report them to the police.
Where has this idea that you’re only allowed out for 1 hour come from?!
I got back and checked the Strava segment, just to make sure my shouts of anger were not in error
Shouting angrily at strangers and then stalking them online. Totally sound behaviour.
Where has this idea that you’re only allowed out for 1 hour come from?!
Politicians.
Hens are female. 🤔
Where has this idea that you’re only allowed out for 1 hour come from?!
Politicians.
There is no limit in England. It is a recommendation not a rule.
I don't really see an issue here as long as they maintain 2m distance. They are only touching their own bikes and not coughing/breathing over other pedestrians. Surely going to the supermarket is more risky, and we are all still doing that.
Not the time, it's the three people not from the same household that appears to breach the rules
Same here. 3 dads out together whom I know from the local schools. One an NHS consultant. Hmmm.
They shouldn't be out riding together, but this 1 hour max per day isn't a thing either.
There is no limit in England. It is a recommendation not a rule.
It's not even a recommendation is it? I thought it was an off the cuff remark from a doorstepped minister
It’s not even a recommendation is it?
I thought Boris said it at one of the daily briefings? I may be wrong mind.
IT'S
NOT
****ING
HARD
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle - alone or with members of your household...
...These reasons are exceptions - even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household.
15. Can I exercise more than once a day if I need to due to a significant health condition?
in order to reduce the spread of infection and protect those exercising, travel outside of the home should be limited, as close to your local area as possible, and you should remain at least 2 metres apart from anyone who is not a member of your household or a carer at all times.
Send it to @strava****ers and let the court of social media shame them (as they should be)
IT’S
NOT
****
HARD
one form of exercise a day, for example a run, walk, or cycle – alone or with members of your household…
…These reasons are exceptions – even when doing these activities, you should be minimising time spent outside of the home and ensuring you are 2 metres apart from anyone outside of your household.
I disagree. That is completely subjective guidance.
So how long outside is OK and how long is too long?
people out and about complaining about others out and about is so quaint
Report them to the police.
I'm not reporting them, the police have more important things to do.
Where has this idea that you’re only allowed out for 1 hour come from?
I thought it was recommended to exercise for about an hour? Government website - "advice is to remain at home and to exercise outside for only a short period (one hour) a day..."
But fair enough over 4 hours is fine, does that part of the argument really matter?
Hens are female.
@Drac - I think a 'Male Hen'.... is a cock.... sorry you didn't get that.
Shouting angrily at strangers and then stalking them online. Totally sound behaviour.
Everyone needs to try new hobbies....
I don’t really see an issue here as long as they maintain 2m distance.
WE have been told NOT to do something, to help stop the spread and hopefully save lives? These adults ignored that for their own selfish needs. I want to go back to work to earn money. I want my kids to go back to school and I kinda really want people to stop dying and staff to stop having to put their own lives at risk to save others. I TOTALLY agree going to the shops is worse but that is not the point. EVERYONE on this website wants to get on their bikes, meet mates and ride.
Most of us are not doing because we are not selfish W*nkers....
I disagree. That is completely subjective guidance.
So how long outside is OK and how long is too long?
Long enough to burn some calories is fine. Almost 5 hours is coming the ****
people out and about complaining about others out and about is so quaint
Sigh....
I asked about the 1 hour thing elsewhere. It seemed to be from GOve's interview where he was stopped in the street and made up some numbers.
Watching the news yesterday they repeated the advice at one point and specifically said that no time limit had bee put on excercise.
what does minimise mean then, if it's not hard? 5 minutes? 4 would be less? So 5's not minimising it.
Asked on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show how long the advice to take “one form of exercise a day” could go on for, the Cabinet Office minister said: “Obviously it depends on each individual’s fitness, but I would have thought that for most people a walk of up to an hour or a run of 30 minutes or a cycle ride is appropriate.”
A walk of an hour, or a run of 30 minutes, or a cycle ride.
But it depends on each individual's fitness.
(I do agree, nearly 5 hours is a bit of a push if you aren't a pro mind)
I refer to my answer above:
Long enough to burn some calories is fine.
what does minimise mean then
Obviously there isn't an absolute number or a one size fits all but I think most (sensible) people should know if they are "minimising their time spent outside the home". For shopping it's easy: Go to shops, buy things without excessive browsing, go home. For exercise it is a bit trickier. For example a 4 hour pootle round the country lanes is not minimising time spent outside the home if the sole purpose of the trip is exercise.
Maybe speak to Greater Manchester Police. They'll know what to do.
https://mobile.twitter.com/gmpolice/status/1248984177434910721
how many calories is some?
In the end, if you can look in the mirror and think you aren't taking the piss, I think that's the best you can aim for. Trouble is that some people either don't care or have no concept on what taking the piss looks like.
For example a 4 hour pootle round the country lanes is not minimising time spent outside the home if the sole purpose of the trip is exercise.
This is the nub of it, people aren't using it for exercise it's a veil to go out for a bimble
BURN THEM ALL!!!
It used to be so much easier in the middle ages with pitch forks and flaming torches.
It's easy really. Going hard for an hour is probably going to burn more calories and get you more out of breath and sweaty than a 3 or 4 hour bimble.
II understand that there's a risk of injury associated with cycling, but apart from that, what's the risk to oneself or anyone else of going for a long ride? 2 m apart, not coming into contact with anyone or anything else - zilch risk, I think.
Pedalling up & down the Cuckoo Railway track may be different, however. (Local reference)
They live on Stockton ffs, they have enough problems at the best of times without you piling in.
going hard though, stresses the CV system making us fat lycra clad types more likely to need help from the NHS when we collapse with a heart attack. And surely going faster makes us more likely to crash. And anyway, we all know that long Z2 rides burn more fat and obesity is an additional risk factor in CV19 outcomes.
Christ, it's not easy is it......
If I did do a z2 ride I would need 4 hours to get out my street... suspect my zones are way off though!
Send it to @strava****ers and let the court of social media shame them (as they should be)
Thank you for reminding me about this account. I’d forgotten about it - that’ll keep me entertained for a while. 😀
I think I'll save my outrage for our local evangelical Christian who is out leafleting round my village - quote 'I've had corona virus so it's all right...' 🙂
In fairness, they're probably only doing it for a Gove hour so it'll be alright...
@Drac – I think a ‘Male Hen’…. is a cock…. sorry you didn’t get that.
It’s not hens are female chickens.
There’s a lot of Warden Hodges on here isn’t there. So some folk went for a bike ride. So what? Get on with your life it has no impact on you.
I think a lot of folk are bored and looking for something to get annoyed at. Just buy a pack of beers or a bottle of wine and chill out.
Just buy a pack of beers or a bottle of wine and chill out.
Is that essential?
Get on with your life it has no impact on you.
To be fair, the situation we’re in at the moment is exactly the one in which people out there acting like male hens really might have an impact on you or someone close to you.
I suppose like many others, I have lots of neighbours - some of whom, generally, act like male hens but you just think “oh **** it, it hasn’t really impacted my day, I’ll just have a beer and get on with something else...” Surprise surprise, the same ones (roughly) are now acting like male hens, but precisely when we’re all depending on one another to do the right thing. Hens gonna hen.
😂
"Going hard for an hour is probably going to burn more calories and get you more out of breath and sweaty than a 3 or 4 hour bimble."
PHRASING!!!
I don’t think the 2m guidance quite works when you’re moving at 20mph or whatever
bunch of nobheads.....
https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/box-hill-closed-cyclists-police-18076012
I got back and checked the Strava segment
Out of interest, how did checking the strava segment give you the details of who had ridden it that day, and whether they were grouped or not? Unless of course you were looking at a flyby.
Did you strava your family walk?
If you can see the segment, then it'll give you kom for today, is one way. I looked at the Box Hill one re above, to see if it was anyone I knew.
I've not seen any groups out yet, lots of solo riders / couples and the odd family. Everyone seems to be behaving themselves.
Well one good thing has come of this thread @strava****ers made me laugh.
@deadlydarcy sums it up perfectly, and even uses 'male hen' in context. DM me for your free surgical mask...
Out of interest, how did checking the strava segment give you the details of who had ridden it that day, and whether they were grouped or not?
Find the segment, filter it down to who has ridden it that day. You kind of have to delve into individual rides to find if people were together though. It won't show rides listed as private so it's not foolproof.
That part of the UK has a higher rate of COVID too. No coincidence ay 🤔
Surely going to the supermarket is more risky, and we are all still doing that.
The difference is you have to get food, you dont have to go out for a day with your mates.
X ammount of socialising at the supermarket = 1000 dead every 24h for however many weeks this lasts.
X ammount of socialising at the supermarket + Y ammount of riding with mates = 1000 + the differential dead every 24h for however may weeks and probably longer.
You can't eliminate the risk of going shopping, that baseline is there.
You might not think you have it, you might not even have it, same with your mates. But if every cockwomble went out and was a cock and ignored the instructions then someone dies. If everyone is a cock then lots of people die. If no ones a cock then in a few weeks people stop dying.
More people being cocks = more dead people.
For example a 4 hour pootle round the country lanes is not minimising time spent outside the home if the sole purpose of the trip is exercise.
This is the nub of it, people aren’t using it for exercise it’s a veil to go out for a bimble
If the point is to get some exercise away from home on a bike, which, by definition is going to be away from home, then what’s the issue if it’s bimble around some country lanes? Who is going to be at risk of catching C19, exactly? Forcing people to stay close to home where they’re likely to be close to lots of others doing the same is counterproductive, surely.
I walked into town this afternoon to get some bits and bobs that Morrisons didn’t have when we went shopping yesterday, it’s a mile into town, and I came home by a different route following a path alongside the river then onto a local Sustrans route, then realised I’d lost something and retraced my route, found what I’d lost, and carried on back where I was going, carrying two fairly heavy bags. I was out for four hours and walked just over six miles, without leaving the town boundary!
I was knackered and my knees, especially my left one, were killing me.
If I’d just walked into town and back, by the time I’d done the shopping and walked home I’d have still been out for over two hours and still walked around three miles, just to add a bit of extra distance and variety to the route, putting some sort of time limit is just daft, by getting away from the immediate locality you get to be away from people a lot more, and getting away from a more built-up area, seeing something like countryside is good for people’s mental health; has nobody heard about the huge spike in domestic violence since this has all kicked off? It’s really not hard to add two and two together to see what’s happening! Where I walked is called Monkton Park, and it’s actually a flood plain between the river and what was, at one time, Europe’s biggest cul-de-sac, but it gives views of countryside over the river, and there’s plenty of space for people to spread out, the only other park in town is now locked up, so unless you’re on a bike, and able to ride out into the lanes locally, there’s nowhere to walk away from people; I’m talking about a town with a population greater than Salisbury, which does have a lot more green spaces for people to go to - most of what were once green spaces have now got huge housing estates on, so where can people go?
It was beautifully summed up in something I read, apologies I cannot remember the source.
Perish the thought you get it and you have to tell the NHS whom you met, would you be proud or ashamed?
That kind of sums it up for me, no point publicly shaming as it will just drive some to behaviours more extreme.
There will always be those that break, push or flout the rules (and I hope get fined etc)
Equally there will always be those that have an accident whilst out and cause more stress on the pushed systems in place in the NHS.
We all have to do our 'bit' if we want to come through this and sometimes that is just letting shit go.
Personally I'm horrified at the level of muppetry out there (parties, bbq, raves, group rides etc) but am I surprised? Sadly not.
James
Let us purify them with fire. A cleansing is required.
Or you could save your anger for the government who prevaricated when they should have acted and have pulled a classic con in getting you to get angry at strangers in the street instead of them.
Or you could angry at those now ignoring the rules put in place to keep use safe.
If the point is to get some exercise away from home on a bike, which, by definition is going to be away from home, then what’s the issue if it’s bimble around some country lanes?
No issue other than it is not minimising time spent out doors. Yes you could have an unfixable problem with bike and may need to phone up a member of your family to pick you up meaning they are now going out in their car for non essential travel but in the last 20 years of cycling I have had to be picked up once when my chain snapped 10 miles from home and didn't fancy walking 10 miles in cycling shoes.
I think the outdoor restrictions are misguided as transmission when in open air with people a few metres apart if very unlikely. However, the general public can not be trusted to keep far enough apart, wear a mask if they are not feeling 100% etc,. hence the lockdown.
To be fair, the situation we’re in at the moment is exactly the one in which people out there acting like male hens really might have an impact on you or someone close to you.
Yes, very much this, but the main thing is they are alright so everyone else can get stuffed.
This morning on Facebook one of my friends shared an oh so worthy " I stayed at home ,did you post".
They also shared a picture of them cutting down a tree ,where the tallest son is standing on the very top rung of the ladder cutting off a branch one handed while hugging the trunk.
I feel my bike ride will be safer.
I don't want o live in a society where 'naming and shaming people' becomes a norm. I'd rather just accept that I can't control others' behaviour. That the social distancing models allow for a certain amount of deviance and the big picture is that it won't make much difference even if a few people insist on riding together.
I'm more concerned about illicit house parties, where the risk of transmission seems exponentially greater than on a small group bike ride. But of course they're not on Strava, so invisible to most of us.
One other general point: when I was in my 20s and living in London I shared a large house with five other people. In social distancing terms we were a 'household' and could have gone out for a mass walk or group run or cycle ride. Anyone seeing us would assume we were breaking the rules, but actually we wouldn't have been. Households aren't always neat family units.
it has been debated that maybe my wife could move in with her friends while I move in with mine until this is done. I don't think she was suggesting it was so I could go bike riding with them though......
I don’t want o live in a society where ‘naming and shaming people’ becomes a norm. I’d rather just accept that I can’t control others’ behaviour.
Absolutely, I find this thread and the "dob your neighbours in" one thoroughly depressing.
Absolutely, I find this thread and the “dob your neighbours in” one thoroughly depressing.
+1
It's amazing the pettiness and general clamour for more restrictions that this has brought out in poeple especially on this forum.
Some people need to be careful what they wish for.
RE the Box Hill closure linked up there.
I'm very local to it, wasn't aware of the outright ban on using the road, and rode by the 'roadblock' at the bottom yesterday afternoon on a mountain bike (ie past it, not through it, I didn't go up the hill). A few cones in the middle of the road and a "Police-Road Closed" sign.
The road is occasionally "closed" in a similar way if there has been a vehicle break down, accident, stuck caravan, some kind of event (running or cycling race crossing the road), full car parks or road works. Cyclists are usually still permitted up when this happens. There was nothing to suggest the situation was any different yesterday. No police, NT wardens or additional signage , so I don't think it is entirely fair to be upset with a handful of cyclists who went up the hill.
I'm sure most people have passed a "Road Closure" on a bike.
There are also several footpaths and bridleways that also lead up to the top of the hill, so it is entirely possible to end up on the top without having seen any closures.
Some people need to be careful what they wish for.
A million times this.
Landowners are already wetting their pants at the prospect of closing rights of way.
Press and social media are going after cyclists in a big way now, riding solo or not.
Whilst out on my bike yesterday morning. No car, no gnar and not far I got a punishment pass in the middle of nowhere on an open road. Might just have been an arsehole. Might have been an arsehole emboldened by the repeated singling out of cyclists of all genres.
Some people need to be careful what they wish for.
We need to name and shame those people 🙂
Sure enough three guys out, all live in different places near each other in Stockton
How far apart? If you set a privacy zone it makes it look like your rides terminate at a random location near your house. So they could still have been housemates.
Absolutely, I find this thread and the “dob your neighbours in” one thoroughly depressing.
+2
Some people need to be careful what they wish for.
+1
Absolutely, I find this thread and the “dob your neighbours in” one thoroughly depressing.
+2
Some people need to be careful what they wish for.
+1
+ another
So in the one hand, it's terrible that people are flouting the rules. But on the other, we just have to let them do it?
I'm confused.
Simple dobbing them in is clearly worse than help continue the spread.
Shouting at strangers in the street, stalking them online and trying to start an internet mob don't seem like reasonable behaviours to me.
Going on a group ride isn't a reasonable behaviour either but it doesn't justify acting like a bampot.
So in the one hand, it’s terrible that people are flouting the rules. But on the other, we just have to let them do it?
I’m confused.
In my view yes. I am trying very hard to do the right thing. I have control over that. I don't have control over what other people do, so I'm not going to work myself into a lather over it. Stress is bad for your immune system! Especially pointless, impotent stress. And also, perhaps I'm lucky but the majority of people I see ARE toeing the line.
The police are going to be flat out busy dealing with major infractions. I'm not sure they have the time to police every report that Mrs Miggins next door had her kids round for Sunday dinner. No she shouldn't have done it but in the great scheme of things there are things more worthy of their valuable time. It will be impossible to police every minor infraction of the rules and dealing with all the gleeful calls from citizen wannabe spies probably ties up huge resources better spent elsewhere.
The other thing which is very distasteful about all of this is the judgemental and pejorative terms people use to describe their neighbours which is often nothing to do with the virus or social distancing rules. It comes across as some long pent up anger about people who are different to me having the cheek to live next door.
Shouting at strangers in the street, stalking them online and trying to start an internet mob
Classic gammon tactics. Add in bait and escalate, death and tears. You can see why they have been left to it on the bragging and outrage networks, which are now a tabloid style sewer, infested with all the same problems they have brought to the real world.
Let-em argue night and day in circles, til they are bright red and purple with moral indignation, that elevates them to better than all the scum as they see it.
Internet mob/thought police LOL tragic and funny!
It comes across as some long pent up anger about people who are different to me having the cheek to live next door.
Agreed.
My next door neighbour is bipolar and lives on her own. She has had a few visitors. Maybe I should ring the police the next time I hear someone chatting to her in the back garden. Or maybe I should think about what it’s like being fragile, having nothing to do and no one to talk to for weeks on end. I wonder if the people visiting her are simply trying to keep her (and maybe themselves) sane and alive?
So in the one hand, it’s terrible that people are flouting the rules. But on the other, we just have to let them do it?
I’m confused.
Peak self-righteousness has well and truly been reached on here. There are always those who don't/won't/unable to understand regardless of how few words of one syllable are used. You can't reason with them, they're outliers. You can't control others. Time to step back.
Conserve your own energy and focus on your well-being and that of your family which you undoubtedly do anyway.
Quite an apt thread this.
I went out this morning for my usual 1-a-day solo bike ride.
I happened to stop at lights with two other cyclists (yep - cyclists do stop for red lights). I recognised the riders and nodded hello as you do, keeping our 2-3m distance👍
As lights changed we set off and single filed up a little hill because a woman cyclist was pedaling squares up it very slowly; when it was safe we passed her all together .. to be shouted at for not social distancing. Nobody said anything in reply, I guess we used to spoutie types yelling some sort of abuse (although typically they are in cars).
Anyways ... Top of road I go my way and other cyclists went theirs.
After ride I get a txt with a clip that had been uploaded to FB by the woman cyclist. Wrongfully assuming the 3 cyclist who overtook her were riding as a group.
So, before making wrong assumptions. Maybe just consider alternative reasons first.
RE the Box Hill closure linked up there.
I’m very local to it, wasn’t aware of the outright ban on using the road,
I live 200 miles away, and had seen it on here, a couple of other social media groups, cycling magazine and other cyclist online groups, surely the local anti cycling brigade were spraying it around everywhere?
when it was safe we passed her all together .
You could have all waited your turn.
There was a psychologist on TF1 talking about this last night. The context here is already unfavourable to denouncing ones neighbours after the Vichy experience. The psychologist explained the bebaviour in terms of a reaction to fear. When people are afraid they will do things they wouldn't normally do, if they're frightened enough they are capable of doing bad things. They find reasons to justify the unjustifiable to themselves.
Anyhow, we've been advised not, the police don't want to have deal with the calls, an irritated mayor was on saying he wasn't going to deal with complaints and besides, it's for the police to check our papers and decide if our reason to be out is justified.
All that seems to fit with the "punishment pass" and complaints about a non group noted above.
So Cinamon girl + another
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when it was safe we passed her all together .You could have all waited your turn.
We did as the video clip shows👍
And another.