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I am at risk of being a Fairlight fanboy. I love my Secan 2.5 gravel bike, the fit is so nice, it’s been tempting to look at the Strael road bike, but the next bike that needs replacing is the hardtail. This looks fantastic!!!!
Details aren’t out until next week, but I’m definitely interested
I have zero need for one of those and I'd really like one
Something so 'right' about a clean lined steel tubed hardtail in a simple colour scheme.
I have a spare set of wheels, a spare drivetrain or two.....
Saw it in the flesh at the weekend and it is absolutely beautiful.
Looks like they’ll be aiming for the not slack market. Looks great
I’m looking for a replacement for a Mk1 Solaris. It’ll be a do-it-all bike including bikepacking. Probably next year, but given some the lead times on Fairlight it should work out ok.
That looks amazing. Want but probably can't afford...
Also looking to replace a mk1 solaris for bikepacking! This looks lovely but like the Mason, will probably be out of my price range
If it's like their other frames it'll be cheaper than Mason and Shand and will probably be in Surly price range
I’m thinking £1k…..
Secan owner here and got a major WANT!
Looks amazing. I was literally on the Fairlight website the yesterday after hearing about them at bikepacking.com thinking these are fantastic but they need a hardtail / ATB. Wish it was a sign, but can't afford one sadly.
P20
I’m thinking £1k…..
£949 for a 631 Faran with steel fork, £1,399 for the 831 Secan with a Carbon fork
£1150 to 1200, I think.
Does it have to go through CEN testing? That will increase the price
My guess is £799 frame only
Beautiful but to my old untrained eyes, it looks a touch too skinny. Unless it has an ovalised top tube like Cotic's do, it's hard to see from the pic in the link.
That will be revealed in the design notes out next week. The shaping on the Secan is impressive
Yeah, Fairight do oval TTs, the Secan's is really flat
They've been posting teasing images on Instagram for a few weeks - one of them might have a tube profile visible
Shand fanboy here so legally I can't even open the link.
Beautiful but to my old untrained eyes, it looks a touch too skinny. Unless it has an ovalised top tube like Cotic’s do, it’s hard to see from the pic in the link.
It does
Oh balls!
I'd talked myself out of a new hardtail because nothing took my fancy as it was all getting a bit too long/slack/gnar for my tastes. Following with interest.
They CEN test
Why would a hard tail cost more than a frame and fork?
The lack of fork is why I’m thinking £1k. Could be a bit more.
Hope they do 27.5 or 26" wheel compatible.
Unashamedly XC bike doubtful in 27.5 (unless accidently plus capable), as for 26" wheels, million to one chance I reckon!
Yeah, I suppose yr right. Still think you lose all the fun on 29" wheels...
I really don’t get the love for yet another steel hardtail. What’s the wow factor here? Is it just because it’s Fairlight? Help me understand?
I’ve only really ever got on properly with one steel bike and that was an Indy Fab.
@Daffy for me, is the fact it’s a Fairlight. I love the way my Secan is built and rides. The detail that they go in to us fantastic.
I love steel bikes, they define what a mountain bike is to me. The ride is something that I can’t get from carbon, alloy, metal matrix. I do have a titanium itch having never owned one, but that Holt just looks right
I know nothing about Fairlight, but that just looks like a nice bike to ride. Just looks right. Has a nice "stance" about it.
My Cotic Solaris mk 2 was also like that, but the colour of this is nicer.
Wish I hadn't sold my Solaris.....😭
I'd echo P20, a nice steel hardtail IS an mtb for me. They remind me of my early P7 and my old 26" Soul, which both hold a lot of memories for me, so there is an element of rose tinted glasses, but so what.
This 'looks' like classic HT geometry as well, I really don't want an LLS hardtail. I'm looking forward to the spec release anyway, that will confirm if my interest is well founded.
TBF, i'd not heard of Fairlight until I opened this thread..
ampthill
Why would a hard tail cost more than a frame and fork?
They always seem to.
I'm really curious about this. Absolutely love my Faran and would seriously consider a Strael / Secan if I had the cash.
A good mate of mine has a Fairlight road bike. Has to be the most beautiful road bike I’ve ever seen. This isn’t the absolute most beautiful hard tail I’ve seen - but it is stunning.
Well, @P20, I have a never-ridden 21" Stanton Sherpa Ti frame (loooong story) which I really must get round to finding a home for......
Had a chance to look drool over one last weekend - really very very nice. As others have said, just looked right. Think £1000 was mentioned.
I really don’t get the love for yet another steel hardtail. What’s the wow factor here? Is it just because it’s Fairlight? Help me understand?
I think the intent will be different. It will be more of a bike packer than gnar shredder
Something like a Sonder Broken road in steel
Nicer pic. Is that a 27.2 poat? That would be "unashamedly XC" but a bit of a negative IMO
Nicer pic. Is that a 27.2 poat? That would be “unashamedly XC” but a bit of a negative IMO
Whereas I look at 27.2 and go 'oooh, comfy'.
@dpfr my wife has the 853 version and it’s lovely. I’ve heard the ti is stiffer/harsher though. Oh and I’m a short arse!!
I think the intent will be a bit more bikepacking. They resigned a rider who does bikepacking with the Holt in mind.
@P20 I've an 853 and a Ti but they are set up quite differently so I can't really tell if the Ti is harsher than the steel one. I find both really good to ride. I guess I'll just have to find some other sucker to offload the spare frame on then....
Yeah, but I'd always go with the dropper on a mountain bike, however XC it might be.
Do prefer the aesthetics of the thin tube, but I'd sacrifice that
It runs a dropper
I presume they’ve done the same as Stanton and ran it under the bb and in the back of the seat tube
It’s here, grab a brew. Link to look book
As expected it’s £999. Angles are too bad, but may be too XC for me. And it’s a 27.2 dropper. Interesting they’ve gone with 110mm fork
Those dropouts are unnecessarily pretty. Lovely thing, not sure I can n+1 another bike in between the gravel bike and my 140mm steel hardtail.... but...
That is just so right in so many ways for the riding that i do, if my premium bond numbers come up then i'll be putting myself down for a moss one.
Ah and now I want one... Although I do wish the colours were a little punchier. Pretty much a perfect South Downs / Chilterns hardtail.
XL Desert with CK headset and SIS fork ....... yes please 🙂
it's a very pretty bike. if I had £1k....
I'd probably buy one, ride it for 6 months them sell it. as that seems to be my current thing. :-/
Looks *absolutely* lovely and I like the numbers for a crossing-country bike.
But 27.2 post? I just don’t get it. I’m sure some people are happy with it but it’s such an immediate ‘no’ for me for a mountain bike.
I make it a bit less than 200g lighter than the same size Solaris. Mainly thanks to the shorter forks, lighter intended use or posher tubes?
I think its designed to be a pretty different sort of bike than the newer Solaris. This feels more like a call back to the springy fun steel bikes we used to obsess about that CEN and capability expectations killed a bit. So def lighter use (although to be fair the newer cotics are monstrously capable bikes).
I compared to the Solaris mostly because I weighed mine when it was new- the Solaris seems to be at the lighter end of the steel all rounder scale, so I’d concur with you that its probably the lighter intended use.
Maybe a shorter bike too, few grans saved there.
I don’t think its that short - 470mm reach on the large for a hardtail. With a 70mm stem as per the spec it’ll feel nice and stretched out.
And tonight’s reading in case you’ve missed them, the design notes:
The purple frame looks lovely built up. Weight is smidge over 2.4kg for a medium in the build notes.
I literally just paid the balance on a frame that I ordered a few months back today, but I'm still sat here listing the parts I'd need for a Holt...
Oh my.
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Beautiful but to my old untrained eyes, it looks a touch too skinny. Unless it has an ovalised top tube like Cotic’s do, it’s hard to see from the pic in the link.
It's steel, it can be skinny - and with a 120mm fork it's not aimed at the hardcore DH market therefore can be even skinnier.
And tonight’s reading in case you’ve missed them, the design notes:
Well worth a scan/read - maybe I don't want a short-travel FS to replace my alloy HT bikepacker, and the XL would give me a huge space for a full frame bag.
Thread resurrection, any buy one? Look good value but hard to find any reviews beyond the initial press release type. I have one of their road bikes which is lovely but looking for some real world experience of the Holt. Does it live up to expectations or any buyers remorse.
I have a frame since April that still not built yet due to stuff... Bought to replace a Sherpa (which was superb) and fix a few issues I had with that. A lot of details on the frame are impressive. Have been thinking the last few days I need to pull my finger out on this!
Think @OJOM has his built and liked it
Thanks, I love the detail on my Strael, not the lightest but neither am I. My other half is looking for a bike packing bike but it is replacing a super light (and super steep). Stumpjumper. Other option is a Scalpel HT, very different but if the Holt rides as well as expected it would probably be a better long term option.
I thought it was a thread from the mid 90s. What we need know is the guy who claims he can see his steel frame flex when he drops the rear end in his garage from a few inches 🙂
@Bigr Id love to try a a Strael. I had a Secan which was a superb ride but sizing didnt quite work. The Holt will basically be my new gravel bike. Flexy frame, Flat bars, bigger tyres, maybe rigid forks to suit my more bimbly riding style. Only thing of slight concern is the slightly short headtube, but then I find all of Fairlights bikes a bit on the low side, even the "tall" ones.
@nickfrog why post that? You ok?
Pressed order tonight
Good for you! Do they still do a small discount for repeat customers?
OOh a mention from @Andy
Yes I got one of the first out the door. Also have a Secan - again had that since the first drop although I'm on my second as I liked the Orange...
The Holt is as textbook am XC steel hardtail as you are going to get - I by no means need something as good but I 100% trust Dom at Fairlight to make a bike that just makes total sense and this doesn't dissapoint.
It will be my last non electric MTB and you can see a pic here:
Ross at Straighcutdesign also borrowed both Fairlights to shoot new bags with, you can see here: https://www.straightcutdesign.com/products/custom-dha-frame-bag
Secan also has a full frame bag now - you may be able to make out here:
Andy
Do they still do a small discount for repeat customers?
They what now? Tell me more....
5% I think?