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Looks interesting 🙂
How to make a reverb even less reliable?
Nice, sort of makes sense with eTap due soon for shifting
Isn't the box on the seatpost a tracking pod. And looks to be two cables\hoses going to the left hand controls.
looks to be two cables\hoses going to the left hand controls.
Is that a twist grip and the second cable/hose is for suspension lockout?
its not far off production if it is real. got CE marks and everything.
AXS trademark on the remote is owned by SRAM for:
Computer; computer software for communicating bicycle data; computer application software for mobile phones for communicating bicycle data; wireless communication device for communicating bicycle data; computer software for wireless content delivery of bicycle data
Yes, the twist grip is suspension lockout. It's Evie Richards bike..
Msp, i concur.
How to make a reverb even less reliable?
But at least it would be easier to remove from the frame for the weekly strip down and rebuild. (In defence of the reverb nearly every dropper is unreliable but the market has accepted that because they're easier than a qr clamp, crap and convenient beats good but inconvenient every day. I still think hydraulic is a stupidly over complicated, pointless idea for the actuation mechanism though, wireless makes much more sense to me in terms of actually having a benefit over a cable [benefit may be a poor choice of word])
weekly strip down and rebuild.
Bizarre.
Bizarre
There was a heavy note of sarcasm. Did it not come across in the tone of my typing and simultaneous eye roll?
Does the E mean it'll drive down? That's what I want.
Being running the Magura wireless one for a year. It's been fine.
Mehhhh
Whilst I liked my reverb and it did last many years before failing, its a blooming expensive bit of kit for what it does, that looks like it'll be even more so!
Once someone cracks the design and produces a reasonably light one that can be rebuilt at home and doesn't need it too often, then I'll be interested again.
What ever happened to Gravity Dropper?
What ever happened to Gravity Dropper?
They didn't paint their stuff black enough and the rubber bit was ugly.
I like Reverbs,sure I've had a few ups and downs with mine over the years but that led me into learning about how to fix and cheaply look after them and keep them running well(oldest is 4.5 years now and still working).
I guess adding electronics onto existing products is the way of things,but for me that then becomes something more expensive that I can't fix anymore and would have to rely solely on the warranty period for support( I presume 2 years with SRAM) which could indeed then become the new enforced fixed lifespan of the post. So electronics aren't for me.
Kind of looks like the most attractive e-dropper option out there. Hopefully the actuation will be fast and will allow you to hold the button pressed.
The Vyron uses ANT+ so the remote only sends a pulse to the dropper that instructs the valve to...open, stay opened, close, each of these operations taking around 1 second. You probably get used to it, but it is a weird mode of operation.
The upcoming Lev Circuit uses Bluetooth, so probably (hopefully) you can hold the remote pressed down; the problem with it is the charging port is at the bottom of the post, so you have to take it out of the frame for charging.
so you have to take it out of the frame for charging.
That's hardly that much of a hassle though. Bit of electrical tape round the post to mark your height and it'll help you keep on top of making sure your post isn't seized!
It would solve our only issue with our Reverb - that is regular bleeds of lever....
I'm looking forward to some users in close proximity sharing the same signal and seats start dancing up and down!
why arnt the actuators on the bottom of the posts?
Doesn’t need to be if you aren’t trying to hide a cable. The stealth reverb just has a long shaft from the actuator at the base of the post to open a valve at the top.
Plus wireless signals don’t travel well through metal tubes.
sure I’ve had a few ups and downs with mine over the years
I see what you did there 😀
Will make building N+1 mtbs a lot easier and cheaper! I've had 5 or 6 reverbs over the years, a few have been replaced under warranty, but the most recent has been bob on, had it serviced in January mind. I've never really understood why people don't get their droppers serviced and just expect them to keep working. Many wouldn't do it with a fork or shock (which have been around a lot longer lets not forgot) so should a dropper be any different? Also, I've never had any issues with the reverb lever itself, problems have always been IFP for me. I did snap a cable on an old Crank Bro's Joplin though, so I'm more than happy with the hydraulic lever, but wireless would sweet, be so easy to swap between bikes! Considering a dropper and in this day age drivetrain are some of the most expensive parts on a bike, being able to easily swap both because they're wireless would be great!
I’ve never really understood why people don’t get their droppers serviced and just expect them to keep working
Because it's a £2-300 part which lasts generally for 2-3 years without a service or gets warrantied. Services are £90each plus two lots of shipping, supposedly every year, so keeping on top of the expected service schedule is more expensive in most cases than replacement.
Also there's no real reason a dropper needs to have all the stuff that actually goes wrong as best i can see. A coil spring in a tube would effectively do the same thing as all the seals, air spring and gubins which does go wrong, admittedly much less refined. Ultimately the poor reliability of droppers is a result of over complication in order to give RS et al something to marketeer.
Going electric isn't going to fix the second part of course but it might change people's approach to the first.
What ever happened to Gravity Dropper?
Last I checked, they were still selling stuff online. I used to run them on three bikes, bought my first one back in about 2005, whenever it was that they first came out. They were generally reliable, but I snapped a couple of levers and broke an inner post a year or two back. Bought two external routed Reverbs after that. Reverbs have been faultless so far. Not sure about long-term reliability or longevity. I still run one GravityDropper on a spare bike, have the remains of the other two as spares, but the Reverb is much nicer to use, functionally much better than the GravityDropper.
I’ve never really understood why people don’t get their droppers serviced and just expect them to keep working
Basically what dangerourbrain said.
a) It's a dropper seaptopst, it probably moves 20 times on any given ride, compared to however many million the suspension manages to do the same basic task.
b) It's flippin expensive, you kinda expect them to work well for the cost.
c) Every year? RS recommend a service every 40 hours. 40 hours! It's a joke.
Given that a dropper post is significantly less complicated than a lefty (or headshock) which a lockout why on earth do we tolerate them being quite so poor? Do cannondale must have a few patents that mean others have to use stily little brass keyways rather than bearings? But then why don't they just release their own?
I'm surprised given that Cannondale obviously get a R&D budget from Pacific to develop weird and expensive OEM stuff like the lefty, why don't they spend some of that on making a seatpost that works?
RS recommend a service every 40 hours. 40 hours! It’s a joke.
The website says this:
It won't be long before suspension and dropper posts are all connected in a smart way controlled wirelessly and set up on your phone like the wahoo.
For example, you will be able to program it so when the forks are on lock out the post is at full length. If you have dual position forks, when they are dropped the seat post is at full length but when you put the forks on full the dropper drops. And variations to suit the riders preferences.
It will be called smart suspension, it will come with new standards so all our old kit can't be upgraded and it will be on all the pros bikes and the mags so we will all fall for it and buy bikes that are more expensive than our cars.
I don't know how I ever managed on my rigid 26er with 15 gears and a qr seat post clamp.
😂
The website says this:
Which websites that? The SRAM site says 50 hours for most models (not 40, but close).
It just beggars belief that 50 hours is the best they can do. It's not even like they can fall back on the excuse that it's some lightweight high performance part, it only moves occasionally and it's far from light!
... 15 gears...
And you're whining about new standards?
I don’t know how I ever managed on my rigid 26er with 15 gears and a qr seat post clamp
I've got a Pinnacle Ramin 3+, it's my 1985 Rockhopper with all the good things that have happened since that don't require additional maintenance. I love it and it's perfect for how and where I ride. I will say though that despite never using one this bike makes me think I'd like to try a dropper post. - I could try and find the old Hite Rite I suppose but that never rally worked as I'm not heavy enough to compress it 🙂
I’m surprised given that Cannondale obviously get a R&D budget from Pacific to develop weird and expensive OEM stuff like the lefty,
Lefty was originally based on Headshok technology. They both essentially relied on the same basic design to prevent the single stanchion rotating.
As a result of the above, The tech for Lefty was developed some time before the Pacific Cycles buyout.
Yea, but the new lefty has a round stanchion. <span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">And the new new lefty is single crown. N</span><span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">either of those can have been cheap R&D. </span>
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">Just seems odd that despite having nailed the basics of a single stanchion having no play, no stiction, and lasting ages between services. They've not applied that to a seatpost.</span>
Even if it was some weird cannondale only fitment 40mm integrated seatmast and £2000 aftermarket it would at least be progress.
^^ That I didn’t know. Serves me right for being an aged smart arse! 😉
By the time Brand X release an E-post I might, might be interested.😃
That said, it's about time SRAM got rid of the fluid actuation. Ridiculously over the top and adsa so much complexity over cable actuation.