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Are they all the same or what?
Yeah. Get a cheap beko. Job done.
Much of a muchness, like washing machines.
Just picked up a new washer. Key requirements were no more than 54cm deep (pipes in the way), 1200 plus spin, hot wash, fast wash and more kg capacity if possible, oh and in stock to walk away with.
Beko's fitted the job, but were a bit too deep. Found a 'Hoover' that was a 10kg 1400 with all the bells, and in stock, and less than 54cm deep - all other 10kg's were 60 plus deep.
Our Beko oven and grill has been fine.
I don't want my dishes spun at 1200rpm.
MY mate just replaced his under recommendation and got a Bosch.
I've got a Lamona (Howdens). 5 years old and it still works perfectly well (apart from the Salt light never goes off)
I use my slimline Siemans every day, it has a 35 minute quick wash which is handy. Not overkeen on the faffing when changing to a different program but it has proved reliable. Very flimsy though. In a past life had a Miele which was incredibly quiet and reliable.
We just got a new one as the old one seemed to have died (probably just the pump, but a replacement was almost half the cost of a new one so it failed the probably faff test).
Ended up with a Kenwood one, about £230 Vs £200 for the beko one, but loads front to back which seemed like a better idea.
It also cost £10 more for a white rather than silver finish for no apparent reason (other than presumably no one wants silver but it get's them look cheaper on google).
pretty much.
don't pay a lot for features you won't use (a delay start is good, that's about it). Bottom of the range models best value.
Internal fitting on Bosch/Neff/Siemens will be better quality than Beko
As with washing machines, Miele still built to a completely different quality to everything else (metal spinner arms, thicker grade wire for the baskets) but command a big price premium.
No.
Some made better than others.
YMMV.
Whirlpool and Electrolux own most of the market. Generic race-for-the-bottom stuff and rebranded a gazillion times over.
Bosch/siemens/neff still a reasonable quality mid-market "independent."
Beko are ok for the money.
IIRC Whirlpool kit is the most likely to catch fire.
I've tried to buy Bosch group, my experience (sample size of one obvs) is it has lasted longer than the beko and electrolux units I have owned.
Got a Bosch one to match all the other white goods. Has a drawer on the top for cutlery instead of a basket thingy which means more space for plates and the like. Stops you inadvertently stabbing yourself with sharp pointy stuff as well.
Think we've got a beko, it was the cheapest one in pc/currys anyway. Had it five years, run a 2-3 times a week. No problems so far. Has 9 different programs. We just use the eco one every time, does the job, never tried any of the others!!
If you are open plan some are noisier than others by quite a margin. Delayed start is handy and will probably become more useful in the coming years.
Has a drawer on the top for cutlery instead of a basket thingy
Sounds daft but this is a great feature - means you can put all the knives together, the forks together, etc and everything is separated so it's all properly cleaned. Easier for emptying also.
Ours has a basket and a tray.
Beat that.
If you are open plan some are noisier than others by quite a margin. Delayed start is handy and will probably become more useful in the coming years.
I played top trumps on AO comparing noise volumes in my price range, ended up with an Indesit which is I think as quiet as advertised.
Recently replaced cheapo Beko with a posh Bosch one. The Bosch one is Much quieter, to the point it's sometimes hard to tell it's going (same with washing machine, replaced soon after).
It may be a combination of wear(*), general technological advances and / or the better quality build, but it's justified the price of a "better" one in this household.
(*) I don't remember the Beko being significantly quieter when new, it certainly wasn't a great improvement over its predecessor the way that this has been, however it's hard to tell.
Daft question but do those top drawers for cutlery work ok? I always imagined that anything you put on the top shelf would get in the way of the jets cleaning the cutlery tray properly.
Yes absolutely.... way better than the basket
The only feature I could think of wanting was the top tray for cutlery. It frees up a fair bit of space in the bottom tray.
Never had an issue with baskets not cleaning cutlery. Used a cutlery tray with a dishwasher at a holiday home once and didn't really 'get it', but I guess it free's up space...but we struggled to fit some larger cutlery items in like large knives etc as you couldn't put them up vertically on the blade back - only flat meaning half the blade didn't get washed properly. I have a shelf in my dishwasher that has enough height for larger kitchen knives to go vertically on the side (so blade along back edge). But hey ho. The key and skill is how you load it.
Just go with a bottom of the range Bosch. Got all the features you need, none you don't and good build quality and quality components. The only thing my current one hasn't got is a 'half load' function for those few times you want to put it on without a full load, so it only operates the top drawer. But its a useful function that you'd probably use infrequently. But with an open plan space the quietness of the device is important and my Bosch is virtually silent.
Got a siemens dishawasher with cunning zeolite drying wizzardry. It's really good, however, it has recently been replaced as a water leak in the drying circuit caused some electronic misbehaviours. Because we called siemens out themselves (£99) and they couldn't fix it they replaced it entirely free of charge even though it was two years out of its three year warranty. Replaced with the latest equivalent model which is queter and cleverer. ultra quiet night time mode is spookily silent. project-on-the-floor status animation good for entertaining the children.
Ours has a central section (that is height adjustable) for utensils that would solve your knife issue.
I agree, the tray seems a bit pointless initially but after using it a few times it becomes almost essential - no more problems with forks/spoons that have become 'spooned' together!
siemens ... project-on-the-floor status animation good for entertaining the children
And 40-something gadget nerds. (I guess "the children" covers that. As you were)
Quiet mode is not silent, but it's pretty quiet.
Cutlery tray best innovation in dishwashers since not having to do it yourself.
Replaced our Whirlpool with a Bosch one about 8 years ago now. It’s a world of difference, quieter, more efficient, rarely get unwashed dishes and glass is far cleaner.
Bought the classic model on offer wasn’t much more then cheap brands but far better.
We've had a Bosch slimline classix for about 10 years now. Gets used at least once a day. Only issues to date have been a sticky float valve, which just needed a clean, as it was causing it to try and drain when there was no water left.
Other was a dodgy seal at the bottom of the door. Was impressed that I could still get the relevant part directly from Bosch. Took about 15 minutes to fit.
Ours does say "made in Germany" don't know if this is still the case.
Bought a Miele 20 years ago, has the top drawer for cutlery, and its never missed a beat. Amazing really. No idea whether they are made to same specs now. You cant even hear it standing right next to it.
or what?
Gumtree.
Bosch something or other with a John Lewis receipt dated a year earlier for £379.
New house = new kitchen, so the dishwasher was used less than 6 weeks, popped in garage.
I bought it for £120
Yeah. Get a cheap beko. Job done.
Don't forget to budget for a fire extinguisher.
I don't get the cutlery tray thing. With a basket, you can carry the whole lot over to the cutlery drawer.
We got a Bosch recently, love the cutlery tray and more importantly for us (we have solar panels) it has a delayed start feature. All of our appliances have got delayed start so that we can stagger when they run during the day.
Bosch at least. Probably not the brand they were but ours goes on every day for a 25 minute cycle and works perfectly.
I think some of the really good ones have better drying cycles.
Ours is five years old. But I look after it. Clean the filter once a week.
beko here, we used to have a bosch which came with the house but changed with a new kitchen. The only thing i miss is the floor projector which tells how long there is to go (to the end of the cycle)
Ours has a basket and a tray. Beat that.
Certainly, we also wash cutlery on the floor when it misses both the tray and the basket, typically a teaspoon will get 10 washes before it's spotted
Possible nominee for dullest STW thread....and yet I feel strangely compelled to comment!
Going against the tide but I don't like the top cutlery trays. Appreciate they give more space but they are a right faff to load. With a basket you just drop in whilst sorting into knives/forks etc then one motion basket to drawer to unload...
Making sure that filters are clean plus both rinse aid and salt are present makes a huge difference. I've started taking a small stock of these away to holiday rentals now just to ensure it'll do a decent job - cue border guard snapping of rubber glove after finding a bag of loose white crystals...
Have had Bosch, one was good and lasted ages the other inherited virtually new but not our warranty got condemned after leaking water all over the electrics. As that happened just as expensive extension was being paid for we went cheap with a zanussi. Works fine if the salt / RA is topped up but how the hell can you design a dishwasher, even a cheap one, where the bottom tray doesn't wheel in and out without falling off every 5 min !!!
My first dishwasher was in 2001 and it was an expensive brand (Siemens). It broke - quickly. Second one was an expensive brand (Smeg) and it too broke quickly. My third one was a cheaper brand (Kenwood) and it lasted twice as long as either of the first two (then we moved out, leaving it behind so I don't know how much longer it lasted).
The house we moved into (in 2013) had the original dishwasher as fitted when the house was built (in 1987 - so it was 26 years old). It kept on going for a couple more years before we fitted a new kitchen. We deliberately went for a built-in so we could hide away a really cheap one (Beko). The first one lasted about two years and we replaced with the identical (slightly revised) model so I expect that to blow up soon - but it only cost £150 IIRC as opposed to the £600+ I spent on the two 'brand' models back in the early 2000s.
No idea what the moral of this ramble is, but I assume it's 'it's all cheap tat and nothing lasts so just buy the cheapest you can'.
With a basket you just drop in whilst sorting into knives/forks etc then one motion basket to drawer to unload…
You'd have thought that would make the most sense. But the reality is that if you put all the spoons together, forks together, etc then the spoons and forks can 'spoon' together and then they don't clean properly, so you have to do them again.
So to get around the 'spooning' issue you mix knives, spoons and forks to create some discrepancy in shapes so they don't stick together - but then you have to sort them when you come to unloading.
The cutlery tray does away with all that, creates space and supplies a better clean.
I'm old, have been through a fair few dishwashers and am the only one in a family of 5 that can load a dishwasher properly - the cutlery tray is way better than a basket.
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Ours has a basket and a tray. Beat that.
Mine is white and has multiple red lights when it works.
Well I was sold on the tray concept but we nearly had a row over this as she was insistent that the tray would prevent us putting tall pint glasses and travel mugs on the top shelf. Bur we found a Grundig where the top tray was divided into three sections and the left or right ones could slide into the middle to create a tall side of the upper tray. So we got it. There was a Beko with identical trays but a worse outer finish and a poorer spray arm but it was much cheaper. But we went for the Grundig because the spray arm arrangement goes all the way to the corners.
Decided against the 'smart' one it apparently does not wash dishes well 🙂
Miele dishwasher here. Expensive but does a wonderful job of cleaning the dishes and even dries them too.
Got this Grundig in the end:
That and a Beko one (which was nearly identical inside) had the best loading options. The top tray has sliding sections so you can leave a gap on one side for tall items - the accommodation of which was a key negative with the top tray idea.
Having had a good look around the number of collapsible tine sections means that you have loads of flexibility. The top section can have two rows of bowls or it can be nearly all cups if you've had people round and given them hot drinks and they've used all the mugs, for example...
AND
IT HAS A LIGHT INSIDE!
Everything Beko we have bought has lasted 18 months before dying, same goes for Mother in Law (her appliances that is!).
The Whirlpool stuff we have now was silly cheap via an employee scheme where I used to work. I wouldn't buy it again though. Does the job but would rather have paid more and it been quieter, better etc.
I didn’t know Grundig we’re still going. Maybe things are on the up?
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Everything Beko we have bought has lasted 18 months before dying, same goes for Mother in Law
Wow, I have never had an appliance die that quickly. Thing has a 5 year guarantee anyway. Also we have Walter the Softie in liquid form coming from the taps.
First was was lovely and quiet, loading was brilliant, but I didn't have enough rinse aid dialled in so the dishes weren't quite dry.
That and a Beko one (which was nearly identical inside) had the best loading options.
That could of been a clue?
I didn’t know Grundig we’re still going. Maybe things are on the up?
They're not really. It's a bit like Karrimor. They were bought by the Beko parent company a few years ago. Shoddy Turkish goods, hidden behind a German Brand Name.
That could of been a clue?
Clue to what? That they are made by the same people? I figured this out. But it was still the best loading option by some margin IMO.
We'll see how shoddy it ends up being I suppose.
Life is too short to line knives and forks up in a little tray.
Basket for the win! 🙂
bosch & basket for the cutlery
Life is too short to line knives and forks up in a little tray.
I am not entirely convinced you have to arrange them all nicely, you can probably just toss them on the tray reasonably spread out. Or just use it for the long knives and utensils like I did last night.