[Closed] Cyclist Vigilante interviewed on jeremy vine just now..

[i]What a world it has come to that snitches are hailed as heroes[/i]

good troll 🙂

Did he wear a cape?

2/10.

Derek is Jeremy Clarkson.

70 DANGEROUS ILLEGAL DRIVERS ARE NOW HAVEING A FINE AND POINTS, MAKE THEM THINK NEXT TIME

70 DANGEROUS ILLEGAL DRIVERS ARE NOW HAVEING A FINE AND POINTS, MAKE THEM THINK NEXT TIME

Calm down dear.

What a world it has come to that snitches are hailed as heroes.

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Thanks dereknightrider. Now I know how successful that guy is I'll be making sure I have a camera on my bike at all times.

Vigilante = Someone who takes the law into their own hands.

70 prosecutions

I guess you meant that a public spirited individual reported offences to the authorities, which clearly isn't the same thing.

The Jeremy Vine farcebook page is a delight to behold on this interview, the usual reasonable debate from the daily mail reading mentalists

What a world it has come to that snitches are hailed as heroes.

If 70 people have been fairly prosecuted for breaking the law I fail to see what he is doing wrong.

Ha why am I not surprised at the response.. Well whatever, it's the way things are these days, interesting the only guy who despaired on the radio was a 70 yr old yorkshire guy who made the valid point if this is the way it has to be and everyone starts doing it can you all guarantee every journey you take is mistake free?

Whilst I fully sympathise and indeed have been victim to car driving ****s, 70 prosecutions? I'm sorry that smacks of sensationalism and would be super hero nerdism, then he proclaims it to the world, name and everything, don't think I'd be quite so proud of that achievement, certainly not with attitudes like my own personal view of grasses.

I wish him everything he deserves.

dereknightrider - Member

70 prosecutions? I'm sorry that smacks of sensationalism

It seems unlikely, but sensationalism? Not sure what you mean by that. You do know it's not the individual who decides whether to prosecute?

[i]my own personal view of grasses[/i]

read the reports into child abuse in Oxford today?

Good job those social workers, police officers and teachers gave those kids reporting their abusers short shrift, eh? No one likes a grass, after all.

[i]don't think I'd be quite so proud of that achievement, certainly not with attitudes like my own personal view of grasses.

I wish him everything he deserves.[/i]

You're an idiot.

HTH

You'll all be happy no doubt when the result of actions by idiots like this has you all sporting number plates so they can get you back, it's only fair after all..

so we should tolerate law breaking by others now in case 'bad things' happen to us in the future?

You'll all be happy no doubt when the result of actions by idiots like this has you all sporting number plates so they can get you back, it's only fair after all..

You're an idiot.

HTH

So, using your logic on grasses, if a he had filmed that poor lad being stabbed in London and passed on the info to the police which resulted in the offender being done for murder would your thoughts be any different?

[quote=dereknightrider ]You'll all be happy no doubt when the result of actions by idiots like this has you all sporting number plates so they can get you back, it's only fair after all..

Just for the sake of argument I'll ignore most of your posts and assume you're a rational person capable of making an argument - why do you think prosecuting drivers breaking the law will result in cyclists having to use number plates?

I wish him everything he deserves.

You're sending him your thanks? Well make your mind up.

I'm sorry mate, but you listen to Jeremy Vine? I wish you everything you deserve... 🙂

my own personal view of grasses.

And don't get me started on the police, they are just professional grasses with too much power, picking on those poor criminals.

dereknightrider - Member

You'll all be happy no doubt when the result of actions by idiots like this has you all sporting number plates so they can get you back, it's only fair after all..

Random nonsequitor is random and unsequitish

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b053zk4pn from 1 hr 10 mins in,

Good bloke, trained and licenced bus driver, commutes 40 miles per day, then drives a large pcv all day thank you Dave Sherry.

aracer - Member
dereknightrider » You'll all be happy no doubt when the result of actions by idiots like this has you all sporting number plates so they can get you back, it's only fair after all..
Just for the sake of argument I'll ignore most of your posts and assume you're a rational person capable of making an argument - why do you think prosecuting drivers breaking the law will result in cyclists having to use number plates?

Mark my words, action like this is what provokes that sort of response, 70 private prosecutions, that's not many surely some of you can do better than that? Pile in, eat it up...

Civilians doing the states job for them hmm what's that called again?

Anyone for Godwin?

[i]70 private prosecutions[/i]

Are you sure they're private prosecutions or just him reporting drivers to the police?

Civilians capturing evidence ina situation where the police are not present...

Don't need licence plates for most cyclists anyway, not like we are hiding behind tinted glass, I ride the same road everyday as well.

And 70 convictions, not slaps on the wrist, serious treatment of serious offences.

wwaswas - Member
70 private prosecutions

Are you sure they're private prosecutions or just him reporting drivers to the police?

No you're probably right, technically not private prosecutions, he talked about state controlled websites you can go on to report your fellow citizens..

My view on "grasses" is this: If you are stupid enough to let someone see you do something illegal then you deserve to be prosecuted. Only the shit criminals get caught.

[i]state controlled websites you can go on to report your fellow citizens.. [/i]

only the ones doing wrong, surely?

"If you've done nothing wrong you've nothing to fear"

, fit their own cameras (some are doing that already) to catch all your mates running red lights, bouncing up and down pavements, of course it's none of us, we all cycle totally responsibly,

Ah. I see. You ride like an idiot so that is why you feel threatened.

wwaswas - Member
state controlled websites you can go on to report your fellow citizens..

only the ones doing wrong, surely?

"If you've done nothing wrong you've nothing to fear"

Doing wrong is a matter of opinion, not always your own and in a state such as this has become something that is constantly changing for the worse.

You should try a speed awareness course some time, see just how many rules there are now since you took your test.

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[i]Doing wrong is a matter of opinion[/i]

well, in this case it's a matter of law but don't let the facts get in the way of a good troll, eh.

Civilians doing the states job for them hmm what's that called again?

[quote=dereknightrider ]the car drivers are pretty shortly going to cry victimisation, fit their own cameras (some are doing that already) to catch all your mates running red lights, bouncing up and down pavements

Not my mates, and good I hope they do. They'll find that just like the cyclists with cameras most of the people breaking the law are drivers. You and all your driver mates on that JV FB page are missing the point that if you drive legally and safely you won't be prosecuted - good drivers, even if they never ride a bicycle should be thanking him too.

those cabbies, they'll make a powerful argument for rear number plates and with that? Guess what? Tax for the privilege.

A powerful argument, just like the one you're making here? 😆 Tax? Srsly? I'm quite happy to pay VED on my bicycle using the same charging system as used for cars if that's what you're suggesting will happen 🙄

Mark my words, action like this is what provokes that sort of response,

Lots of drivers who break the law getting all worked up and frothing at the mouth demanding something must be done about people who help the police enforce the law? I'm sure those in power will give that all the attention it deserves.

Anyone for Godwin?

You're feeling the need to deflect the argument by resorting to that already?

Doing wrong is a matter of opinion, not always your own.

dereknightrider - Member

so the car drivers are pretty shortly going to cry victimisation

And everyone will laugh at them

[quote=dereknightrider ]Doing wrong is a matter of opinion, not always your own and in a state such as this has become something that is constantly changing for the worse.

Is it time to talk about zombie maggots yet?

dereknightrider -
You should try a speed awareness course some time, see just how many rules there are now since you took your test

When car drivers pay road tax and display tax disks I'll happily do the same.

OP he just reports the incidents to the police with his video evidence.

I think this is a potentially slippery slope where there could be a backlash and cyclists are pursued for needing registration marks and filmed going the wrong way down one way streets and jumping traffic lights.

I think this is a potentially slippery slope where there could be a backlash and cyclists are pursued for needing registration marks and filmed going the wrong way down one way streets and jumping traffic lights.

Where there are cyclists taking risks and potentially causing harm (even to themselves) they should be reported. If the police get lots of reports about cyclists at a location or all of the same description them they will be forced to act and hopefully will result in either the individual reprimanded or the road layout changed to reduce risk.

By all means say it will never happen or that police are rubbish blah blah. But if everyone sits on their hands what do you expect will happen in the end, both with drivers and reckless cyclists (or people on bikes for those who prefer not to use the term cyclists. Also, I don't buy the opinion that 'police should go after drivers not cyclists as cars are more dangerous', yes they may be, but break the law = pay the fine. Otherwise you just get stuck ina. Loop of blame.

Only here would somebody who complains about a person who thinks its fine to film and get prosecuted 70 of his fellow man in one particular commuter group for spurious traffic related offences, be called a troll...

I hope and pray I'm not back here in a few months being called a troll for pointing out why the new number plate for (Boris & other)commuter bikes rule came about.

And that's the last I'll say on the subject.

Enjoy your hero.

Cyclists have been a 'menace' for years, still no number plates. I think you are overreacting. And 'fellow man' , really, when someone cuts you up you get out and hug them? Ok so it might be a bit 'sad' he has got obsessive over it, but he is not making up the evidence, just catching stupid or lazy people on video.

Only here would somebody who complains about a person who thinks its fine to film and get prosecuted 70 of his fellow man in one particular commuter group for spurious traffic related offences, be called a troll...

I hope and pray I'm not back here in a few months being called a troll for pointing out why the new number plate for (Boris & other)commuter bikes rule came about.

And that's the last I'll say on the subject.

Enjoy your hero.

You're an idiot.

HTH

Funniest thread on here for while! Well Done Derek, just er,I hope you are not the sole witness to any misdemeanors or murders etc...

The only people who don't like "Grasses" as you put it, are usually Criminals. So do you want to tell us anything?

Oh and You're an idiot +1

So, if you get knocked off your bike dereknightrider, and I see it, do you want me to "grass" on the driver?

[i]and get prosecuted 70 of his fellow man in one particular commuter group for spurious traffic related offences[/i]

spurious
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[b]not being what it purports to be; false or fake.[/b]

where'd that Princess bride meme go....

certainly not with attitudes like my own personal view of grasses.

'Ard Man Ronnie Kray wannabe.

And complete tool.

[quote=imnotverygood] Ah. I see. You [s]ride [/s] drive like an idiot so that is why you feel threatened.FTFY. 🙂

Though I'm sure that's not fair and Derek [i]isn't[/i] the sort of chap that would drive his boat-towing, planet-raping 4x4 dangerously past some lycra-clad, gayboy roadies that were holding him up for a few seconds "just to show them who's boss", not like that guy that was banned from the forum. What [i]was[/i] his name anyway?

S'not often a OP gets no sympathy with there views on here, well done Derek.

"DerekKR bringing STW closer together" but your still an idiot/troll

I think attitudes have changed, Matthew Parris wrote a good article on this. Unfortunately it is behind a paywall now - in case you pay [url= http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/matthew-parris/9409302/when-did-we-become-a-nation-of-police-informers/ ]here.[/url]

It is somewhat ironic that our laws are highly regarded when our law makers are held in such low regard.

Well [b]lets take it to its logical conclusion[/b] shall we, you're all as I would expect pretty happy with what he's doing, indeed probably a lot of you also do it, so the car drivers are pretty shortly going to cry victimisation, fit their own cameras (some are doing that already) to catch all your mates running red lights, bouncing up and down pavements, of course it's none of us, we all cycle totally responsibly, but those cabbies, they'll make a powerful argument for rear number plates and with that? Guess what? Tax for the privilege.

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Troll is far to kind an epithet for the sort of pro criminal tard who talks of snitches and grasses with contempt in this context . Snitch and grass are terms properly used to describe criminals who inform on their mates people who observe crimes happening and come forward to do something about it are called witnesses.

Dinsdale! Dinsdale!

I bet he's livid - livid - that people can be charged for assisting an offender.

I video a lot of my routes, and see some near misses, this weekend had a few more, sadly i didnt take the camera out on the bike, but just shouted at the driver, youre on camera, check You Tube.

Thing is drivers dont know if you have a camera or not, also today saw a cheap crap car, with a sticker in the rear window, saying video equipped car, seems as if car drivers are folowing lgv, bus and coach companies along with courier companies safeguarding their no claims and licences.

[quote=dereknightrider ]Only here would somebody who complains about a person who thinks its fine to film and get prosecuted 70 of his fellow man in one particular commuter group for spurious traffic related offences, be called a troll...

Strangely enough, I wasn't... until now. "spurious" traffic related offences? Now that surely is a troll - I'm assuming that people don't actually get prosecuted for spurious offences.

Oh and "fellow man"? Can I just check who my "fellow man" is with you - is it the bloke who beat up and killed old Doris during a break in? The nice chappy who raped the girl he met in a club? Or just the motorist endangering the lives of other people by driving dangerously?

I hope and pray I'm not back here in a few months being called a troll for pointing out why the new number plate for (Boris & other)commuter bikes rule came about.

Don't worry, you won't be - you're just being hysterical there, not a troll.

Disappointed if you're really not coming back - this has been hilarious all the gangsta talk of grasses.

[quote=mefty ]I think attitudes have changed, Matthew Parris wrote a good article on this. Unfortunately it is behind a paywall now - in case you pay here.

I can see it fine - I presume you read the Spectator too much and you only get a limited number of articles (hint: they normally do this with cookies, you can delete cookies...)

I presume you read the Spectator too much

Indeed, or not enough - you were right about the cookies though - only 11 articles.

Derek

You [u]are[/u] an idiot
HTH

I have to admit I do get the irony of advising how to cheat a website to see an article about letting people get away with naughty things; on a thread where we're all being sanctimonious, on a forum where discussing similar ways of cheating this forum is a banning offence 😉

[i]You should try a speed awareness course some time, see just how many rules there are now since you took your test. [/i]

I liked that bit. I remember the days of cross-ply tyres and drum brakes, and the introduction of seat belts on front seats. Cars may be safer but people riding bikes need cameras. Said the old bloke with a dash cam who'd shop anyone he happened to film doing something dangerous.

"[i]the car drivers are pretty shortly going to cry victimisation[/i]"

I'm not.

Chill out Derek.

The only people that say snitches and get stitches and similar lines about grasses are wanna be gangstas that spend their lives playing Grand Theft Auto.
Derek our society depends on good people protecting others from the bad people. Our courts, not you, decide if someone is not guilty. I presume that you would not grass up a bank robber, a fraudster or a rapist. If that is the case then please crawl back under the rock where you belong with your games console.

I have a camera in my car. It's not for filming cyclists, it captures rank bad driving usually.

I read a bit more about your hero last night, seems he's shopped a few of his fellow bus drivers, they've now got the sack, one was checking his ticket machine, probably just a glance.

It is indeed a sick society and any of you who clearly agree with all this are equally sad.

And that article, the one about the dinner party types who shop their guests if they think they've drunk too much, probably don't even say anything to them as they leave, just dob em in for the sanctimonious hell of it.

Anonymous of course, don't local councils just love all that, 'oh I'm sorry we can't possibly tell you who's complained but...'

Sick sad sad.

Grasses, snitches, judas.. there now I wonder if that's what's happening here, with the end of religion and poor old judas gone from the world, you all get to be just like him, state assisted.

I read a bit more about your hero last night, seems he's shopped a few of his fellow bus drivers, they've now got the sack, one was checking his ticket machine, probably just a glance.

The guy videos people doing retarded stuff. He's not the judge, jury and executioner FFS. You're a proper moron.

Grasses, snitches, judas.. there now I wonder if that's what's happening here, with the end of religion and poor old judas gone from the world, you all get to be just like him, state assisted.

Surely you're just taking the piss now? Can anyone think like this or are you...

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I switch the camera on my bike on when I leave the house, not to catch drivers but just because I forget to turn it on when I get to the trails. I have caught lots of bad driving (& even a dangerous horse rider on a bridleway) however don't feel inclined to pass it on to the authorities, however I do feel it would be useful in the event of a collision.

I also tested the camera mounted in the car, where i have captured footage of a lot more bad driving, including HGV's jumping red lights etc etc. As a lot of my commute is on a dual carriageway and despite what speed you do, you get tailgated by someone. I placed the camera in the rear window, guess what every tailgater backed off when they realised there was a camera in the back window.
At present it is cyclists who are being seen as video 'vigilantes' but a lot of firms are fitting cameras to lorrie's, buses and car drivers are using them more & more.
In fact Wiltshire Police suggested that drivers get a dashcam, due to a rise in scammers disabling their rear lights and deliberatley braking heavily to get hit up the ar$e and then make an isurance claim.

Traffic Police have been cut by 48% in some area's, one Chief Constable has even said due to cuts, the public should do more to help themselves, we have Neighbourhood Watch, Community Speed Watch why is passing evidence of bad/dangerous driving to the Police any different, no one would think twice of handing video footage of a murder or armed robbery over.

Lets not forget that these people who drive dangerously don't just do it around cyclists, they do it all the time, outside school's, residential area's. Those against this sort of thing would be up in arm's if idiot driver ran over one of their kid's or a family member!

Ok Derek, I'll give you this..

After that clip of the truck pulling onto the A9 last week I've been involved in a few discussions about Dashcams. What most people are coming to realise is that those occasional lapses of judgement, missed observations etc to which we can all suffer are now going to be available for public scrutiny even when no subsequent accident has occurred. This is quite a change and should, in theory at least, help us to remember to be better drivers.

However, you would have to do something incredibly stupid and/or dangerous to end up with any more than 3 points and a fine should a video lead to a prosecution. If you're not a habitual offender, you're not going to be losing your job, going to prison etc. over one incident.

So what about all the CCTV that has helped catch rapists and murderers (as well as thousands of traffic offenders)? With the amount of near misses and close passes I see every day going unpunished, a bit of extra camera evidence might just start making poor drivers try a little harder not to drive poorly...

Is it any wonder people are "going vigilante" as you put it...

[url= http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-31682145 ]For a bit of balance[/url]

And that article, the one about the dinner party types who shop their guests if they think they've drunk too much, probably don't even say anything to them as they leave, just dob em in for the sanctimonious hell of it.

So I take it from that comment then, you are happy with drunk drivers roaming around our roads!

On that comment- there's better ways to do it. When you can intervene to stop the problem in the first place, you should, rather than intervening after it's happened.

But hey, that bears no relevance whatsoever to the thread topic so it's [i]almost[/i] like it's a distraction tactic 😆

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dereknightrider - Member
This isn't going as well as I thought it would, what an idiot..

My personal feeling is that cameras aren't generally helpful and serial uploaders of their outrage
from commute are just feeding the fire.

VBottom line, we have crap cycle infrastructure, a lot of drivers and cyclists who are equally bad but in different sized vehicles, and a handful of popular journos who've spotted an easy story.