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Watch the video 😀
That's beautifully poetic.
Some of those people should have licenses revoked. It's plenty wide for a family car. He'll it's straight the van should have been ok . Some of those cars are small.... A Micra should not have been phased by it.....
Makes you understand why some close passes happen. People do not know the width of their car.
My car would get through with 2" clearance on either side.
Too narrow if you only want to stop HGVs.
I'm not surprised people hit it.
It does seem a little excessive.
My car would get through with 2″ clearance on either side.
You'd think if there was any doubt though, people would slow down..?
I seen it yesterday and was fascinated by it. I think I watched the whole thing at least 3 times.
so thats 11 drivers who cannot drive properly
Jeepers - how do they manage in places with narrow streets
7ft is plenty of width for a car of normal size to go thru
Lovely daily wail link, lovely crying about being found out as incompetent drivers, lovely click bait post
What are these lines of site they are talking about?
There is a bridge near me that is very narrow so they put high kerb/bollard arrangement before and after it to 'filter out' wide-vehicles. Said arrangement gets hit all the time 😀 It will need rebuilding again soon.
These have been around for as long as I can remember. There was a couple near me when I lived in London. Always a pile of wing mirrors there. Some of that driving is pretty shocking. Better a bollard than a cyclist or pedestrian
I thought STW had an anti-Daily Wail link warning page?
My car would get through with 2″ clearance on either side.
The yeti ?
The listed dimensions for a yeti don't add up to 2 inches either side left over.
I'd think twice about taking the iveco down it - it truely does have less tha. 2 inches either side ...but then I'd man the **** up and put the passenger's side wheel at the kerb (since I have the dimensions of my vehicle on the sun visor so know it fits) then go slow.
Is there a less gammon website to view the video?
7ft is plenty of width for a car of normal size to go thru
Maybe (maybe not at night when the posts are painted black 🤦🏻♂️) - but they could have gone wider and still stopped HGVs.
The issue seems to be the fact that there is no kerb beforehand to give advance warning of poor positioning. Some negotiation with their neighbour and partial re-instatement of the raised kerb would help with that.
re-instatement of the raised kerb
So they were driving on the pavement because of the dropper?
Bout time they got a reminder their driving is crap.
If you need a kerb to stay on the road I'd get an eye test 😀
Have driven through that a few times. It feels bloody narrow - even in my Ford Focus with 6 inches of clearance each side.
But I’m not a driving god like some folk here.
I generally consider myself a pretty capable driver and very aware of the width of my car (mazda 6). Those bollards are terrifyingly narrow. When I've had to go through them I crawl through but you lose sight of them as you go through so a little left or right and goodbye to your door panels.
And if someone wants to use it as a rat run in an HGV there's a sodding great bus lane gap that you can go through that as far as I'm aware has no cameras on it.
There's this one just outside Llangynidr to protect the bridge, gets loads of hits all the time with them peaking during tourist season. Doesn't help that a lot of elderly people live there, some even do the 8 mile diversion rather than use the bridge!
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Regularly see motorhomes and caravans getting stuck there.
EDIT: Google doesn't seem to like links to streetview currently so just put the postcode NP8 1NQ inot maps and it's the bridge over the river.
None of those crashes look like issues with the narrowness, they look like people who've just not seen it?
Just checked and the one near me is just 2.0 m / 6' 6"
Regularly see motorhomes and caravans getting stuck there.
It's wrong but I'd probably laugh 😀
There's one near me that's a tight 270 degree uphill corner and they put a huge metal bollard like the things they use to tie ships to in the dock up.
It regularly gets destroyed despite signage saying nothing over 6m should even be trying it.
I’d man the **** up and put the passenger’s side wheel at the kerb
There isn't a kerb, that's the point. It's a dropped kerb followed by a nice ramp straight up into a steel post.
Normally I'd be with TJ on this, learn to drive. But that's a terrible design and I'm not surprised so many people are being caught out.
I drove through there yesterday!
It is tight, I'll grant you.
I think what's happening is the driver sees a narrow gap, panics, or is over-compensating to the nearside and the first indication is ****ting the bollard. Made worse by the fact that you can't see how close you are to the kerb (the passenger door is in the way).
Granted, a lower speed would probably help but on a 'first attempt' a nice indicator from the kerb would help guide you through.
Surely the purpose is to prevent HGV usage, not damage other vehicles.
Doesn't look like much room
Peterculter
https://maps.app.goo.gl/mHqKJekm5CaiSn1S8
Where the b979 meets the a93.
If your coming from the a93 east bound and trying to get up the b979 ....it takes a good chunk of the 4 lanes to get a normal car round it without shunting.
Big yan.
Is that a fiesta a focus or a Mondeo .....or an Aston Martin.
Hard to tell these days.
That's an S-Max
Point confirmed. 🙂
6ft 3.5" wide. Not much smaller than most vans.
Yeah, I used to cycle around there in the mid 00s when I lived in Aberdeen. LMAO at the steel mine thing they have cemented in.
This one I pass regularly has no kerb on the nearside either (when heading East). I usually focus on lining up my side as close to the right as I can to get through.
139 Arthur Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/em4oeweQ7jLmZxMZ9
I haven't seen it hit before, but it's poorly signposted so I have seen a lot of hgvs clog up the road as they reverse all the way back out again once they spot it.
This one is worse as it narrows, stays narrow for a few metres, and curves:
Lower Morden Ln
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fvYR7pzoHBsgiC7u8
The bollards are soft and slightly set back at least
The sound of tyres deflating in the OP's vid was quite satisfying, it has to be said.
Reminiscent of the time an impatient driver tried to force her way past me at a traffic island and detonated her tyre on it. Oh how I laughed sympathised.
One of our local "qualifiers" for the weak bridge beyond. I've never struggled in the S-Max which is listed as just over 7ft. Not counting mirrors it's allegedly 6'3" but it feels like I have adequate wiggle room. These idiots just aren't paying attention.
Is there a less gammon website to view the video?
I'm a bit slow with this but I'm assuming it's https://twitter.com/WorldBollard/status/1447848931031928833?t=MQY2h3KgwLXrovZ6qeXGIA&s=19
Pffft a normal transit fits through a 6ft6 gap (the details say 6ft10 so I'm assuming that includes mirrors). So I've got zero sympathy for people that clearly shouldn't have a licence if they can't get a normal car though a 7ft gap.
If that many cars are hitting it, it's clearly a poor design. The first post on the left should be a lot more visible.
midlifecrashes
Full MemberOne of our local “qualifiers” for the weak bridge beyond. I’ve never struggled in the S-Max which is listed as just over 7ft. Not counting mirrors it’s allegedly 6’3″ but it feels like I have adequate wiggle room. These idiots just aren’t paying attention.
Posted 2 hours ago
Well at least some are paying attention because they slow down a lot. That they still hit it means either they are just incapable of judging the width of their car, or maybe there is something ickydicky about the design of it.
Looking at your pic, you would hit the kerbs before hitting those brick structures so you'd have to be driving like a real twunt to do that. Also there are white lines from way back helping you line up correctly.
However that's not the case in the OP one, the metal posts are in line with the kerb and the nearside one effective has a ramp leading right up to it 😂
I love the irony that its to prevent HGV and the guy whose vid it is is an HGV driver.
Worrying, but telling that all impacts are on the nearside. These morons have no idea how far their vehicle extends out into the kerb (and potentially any cyclist they might be passing...)
The first post on the left should be a lot more visible.
Apparently the council thought otherwise
The bollards were initially 1.3 metres tall, but were reduced to 73cm in 2011.
I love the irony that its to prevent HGV and the guy whose vid it is is an HGV driver.
Probably upset it stops him bringing his truck home.
Just thought,
Cars are typically wider than their wheelbase. You could have your wheels fully on the road and still hit those bollards in the OP.
The first post on the left should be a lot more visible.
I thought that. Granted, it's no excuse, but they shouldn't be actively laying traps for people.
There's something similar near me. For traffic calming (right after a single-track road ends) there is a bollard stuck in the middle of the lane. They painted it black. I'll see if I can streetmaps it.
https://goo.gl/maps/hNeCLULb1xHH6x6v8
https://goo.gl/maps/S9DXKCRfDnfC96Nu9
Looks like they've replaced it now.
There’s this one just outside Llangynidr to protect the bridge
That is pretty narrow, wouldn't have enjoyed it in my old Rover 75!!
Apparently the council thought otherwise
The bollards were initially 1.3 metres tall, but were reduced to 73cm in 2011.
Yeah, but they could paint it bright white instead of a nice dark colour that blends in with everything else. Or leave it as a 73cm tall (and presumably stronger) metal post, but put a plastic wand on top of it.
I don't have a great deal of sympathy for people who drive into things, but in this case the sheer number of collisions makes it clear the design needs tweaking.
they are just incapable of judging the width of their car
There's a hell of a lot of that about! The fact that there are so many people who can't judge width means, yes, they should've made the bollards more visible. Not everyone on the road is a STW Driving Hero! 😀
wouldn’t have enjoyed it in my old Rover 75
Is it possible to enjoy anything in a rover 75?
There’s a hell of a lot of that about! The fact that there are so many people who can’t judge width means,
They probably shouldn't be on the road. Can't see that bollard....it's no wonder cyclists get close passed.....
Is it possible to enjoy anything in a rover 75?
The back seats and boot are pretty spacious.
There’s a hell of a lot of that about! The fact that there are so many people who can’t judge width means, yes, they should’ve made the bollards more visible. Not everyone on the road is a STW Driving Hero! 😀
I know we keep banging on about how bad the average driver seems to be (and thus how hard it is to achieve a conviction for careless/dangerous driving).
But have we really hit the point where not hitting a stationary object on the pavement whilst driving a Nissan Micra is considered "Driving Hero" status?
Lord Spaghetti Monster, may his noodly appendages f***ing protect us!
Is it possible to enjoy anything in a rover 75?
The back seats and boot are pretty spacious.
You're not going to get much action though are you?
A lot of those collisions look like the car just hasn't moved over (although it doesn't look it from the front on picture of the car from the video it looks like the left side posts are a bit further in than the road preceding it) so people driving on autopilot rather than not judging the gap well enough
My car would get through with 2″ clearance on either side.
And if you're incapable of driving through, hand in your licence.
so people driving on autopilot rather than not judging the gap well enough
That's more worrying isn't it? They're just cruising along unaware that they're about to plough into something.
Worrying, but telling that all impacts are on the nearside. These morons have no idea how far their vehicle extends out into the kerb (and potentially any cyclist they might be passing…)
Perhaps.
Buuuut, perhaps the drivers (not unreasonably) assume that the road furniture is designed in such a way that a normal-sized* car can fit through a gap with perhaps 12" of clearance on the driver's side. I'm sure most drivers are more cautious around moving objects and uncertain gaps (even if many are not as cautious / courteous as we might like).
*nothing is as good as it used to be.
A lot of people seem to think they can drive where they want, when they want and how they want. Its lovely seeing their attitude quite literally colliding with reality.
Loving seeing the amount of negative votes on any comments blaming the drivers in the mail link.
Reminds me of the Rufford Ford videos. Rather than slow down and look at the sign (in this case depth rather than width) just plough straight in at full speed and write off their car.
Also reminds me of this
so people driving on autopilot rather than not judging the gap well enough
Every ****ing morning, just following the tail lights in front as close as possible and not thinking about what they're doing. Failing to anticipate anything beyond the end of their bonnet.
Is it possible to enjoy anything in a rover 75?
Loads of things, not least if feeling a bit Brexity you could switch the air con (ok mine didn't work) to °F. You could enjoy the fact it had electric seats but no rear window wiper. Probably the best thing was the auto box that has "Sports" setting which changed things completely, rather than oozing down the road like a comfy slug, you could ooze down the road like a noisy comfy slug.
I loved that car, it made me chuckle every time I sat in it.
Am I the only one that watched the OP video more than once and laughed heartily? The sound of deflating tyres is so good. I’m a pretty average driver (I think) and can’t imagine hitting that.
There is a traffic calming chicane near one of my work sites in Hazel Grove. The number of people I’ve seen hit it or have to slow down to less than walking pace to get through is genuinely frightening. You can just cruise through with ease.
This one https://goo.gl/maps/ED5sL28HQ5GLDYCu8
it’s clearly a poor design
Agreed. Or it's not the specified width.
Loads of things, not least if feeling a bit Brexity you could switch the air con (ok mine didn’t work) to °F. You could enjoy the fact it had electric seats but no rear window wiper. Probably the best thing was the auto box that has “Sports” setting which changed things completely, rather than oozing down the road like a comfy slug, you could ooze down the road like a noisy comfy slug.
About 13-14 ago a security guard at a site I was attending told me that the Rover 75 he just bought had 'too much' power for him. It was the fastest thing he's ever owned he swore.
I kind of nodded my head in a humouring way....
And if you’re incapable of driving through, hand in your licence.
Correction, 3" clearance either side - but that's wheel to wheel width, the overall car width is 86" so both mirrors would hit if the posts were taller.
And that's the problem.... A height of just 73cm makes the posts impossible to see once they're at the front bumper.
Correction, 3″ clearance either side – but that’s wheel to wheel width, the overall car width is 86″ so both mirrors would hit if the posts were taller.
And that’s the problem…. A height of just 73cm makes the posts impossible to see once they’re at the front bumper.
The design of many modern cars makes it very difficult to accurately judge where the corners are, something I’ve discovered with my EcoSport - the front is relatively short, with quite a steep dropoff, so it’s impossible to see anything forward of the bottom edge of the windscreen, and it doesn’t have any proximity sensors on the front, the one real flaw in its design. I did manage to scrape the front bumper at work trying to get into a parking space in the staff car park, which is full of cars owned by people who leave huge gaps between their cars, reducing the space available. There’s a stack of old fencing that had been removed to allow access into another storage area, and enough space to get a car through between the end of the stack and a car already parked, but at an awkward angle; I just couldn’t see either the corner of the fencing, which was a bit less than a metre high, or the corner of my car. The company will fix the damage, it’s what they do anyway, because the stuff shouldn’t have been dumped where it is anyway, it’s a bloody nuisance!
I do have forty-odd years driving experience, the last five and a half driving hundreds of different vehicles and never had any significant accidents. I did scrape the front wing of a Hyundai Tucson once, for similar reasons, I tried to avoid scraping the side of the car against a large hawthorn bush growing across a narrow access road, and caught the nearside wing against a concrete bollard, that I just couldn’t see because of the shape of the car.
That particular road obstruction does seem to be really badly designed, putting the bollards right on the edge of the kerbs is just asking for trouble, because cars are getting bigger and bigger, to accommodate extra crash protection like bigger crumple zones, airbags, etc.
To put it into some sort of context, my previous car was a Skoda Octavia, and I’ve just checked the dimensions - my EcoSport is 9.5” wider! The Octavia was 1814mm without mirrors, the EcoSport is 2057mm, a 243mm difference, 9.56 inches.
With that in mind, it should be perfectly obvious that my apparently smaller Ford would be at far more risk of damage than my Skoda, a much bigger car.
Which probably explains why drivers are having issues.
I honestly hadn’t realised my car was so much wider than my old one!
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Has it got through, though? Or hit the right hand side bollards?
Edit: next picture along it's made it through, no idea if it got a scratch doing so though...
The Octavia was 1814mm without mirrors, the EcoSport is 2057mm, a 243mm difference, 9.56 inches.
Nope, you've read it wrong, from the pdf on the Ford website:
Overall width with mirror/with folded mirror/without mirrors (mm) 2057/1816/1765
I had to have a look as I couldn't believe it was wider than the S-Max, which is:
Overall width with/without mirrors: 2137/1916
Nothing stopping any of those people slowing down before attempting that gap.
They either haven't seen the bollards, or they've massively overestimated their own driving ability.
Aye, good point re. slowing down. I’m sure I saw a few airbag deployments the speed was so high in some cases. Crazy
The problem is that new cars are so much wider now and not that the bollards are too narrow.
The Octavia was 1814mm without mirrors, the EcoSport is 2057mm,
for a fiesta on stilts it would be a stretch to even imagine those numbers are right.
The problem is that new cars are so much wider now and not that the bollards are too narrow.
Too wide for many of our old roads too. As a cyclist this impacts me too.
It's really quite an eye-opener if you compare the size of say and 80s/90#s Fiesta (or something similar) to today in terms of size.
Also, cars are taller too with the utterly ludicrous fashion for a higher wheelbase. I suspect this makes it harder to judge width against low posts and kerbs. We also know it makes the vehicle more likely to roll in an accident.
It’s really quite an eye-opener if you compare the size of say and 80s/90#s Fiesta (or something similar) to today in terms of size.
Cars have been growing bigger almost since they were first produced. I'll bet my father looked at an Escort and said 'Ooh, that's huge compared to my old Anglia'.
trail_rat
There’s a hell of a lot of that about! The fact that there are so many people who can’t judge width means,They probably shouldn’t be on the road
Well yeah, of course. I often (in my Hero status) think that about many many drivers, but hey good luck with the purge.
Well yeah, of course. I often (in my Hero status) think that about many many drivers, but hey good luck with the purge.
Your right it's not a vote winner so it'll never happen.
Doesn't mean it's not the right answer.
About 13-14 ago a security guard at a site I was attending told me that the Rover 75 he just bought had ‘too much’ power for him. It was the fastest thing he’s ever owned he swore.
To be fair, the one with the v8 Mustang engine wasn't exactly anaemic.