Tim pot local radio this morning encourages us to stand up and join in with a pledge of Allegiance to King and Country.
Who comes up with this nonsense?
Why is it even newsworthy?
I care about as much for Charlie as he does for me.
Outdated, expensive, environmental disaster flying in dignitaries from the colonies. Bill of millions to wang a crown on an old fud who is already near his sell by date.
Already one of the richest Englishmem and were giving him and his inbred extended family tens of millions a year to ensure that the rich get richer.
Stand up and join in a pledge, not a chance. Stand up and demand a significant reduction in the civil list so we're not rewarding a load of historical bullies and murderers who got to where they are by killing and manipulating people.
Be nice to stop all this hero worship, they're just normal people who were born into royalty and raised as being aloof and above the rest of the population.
Bowing and curtseying i mean really.
Not a fan, keep em as the income for the country is significant, but lets remove them from the pedestal and stop being so overly virtuous.
Royal weddings, funerals and now coronation means just one thing, an extra day off and an opportunity to enjoy a nice long bike ride! Nothing more.
I'm not pledging allegiance to anyone or anything.
Do we really need yet another thread whining about the royals though? It's been done to death multiple times over.
Do we really need yet another thread whining about the royals though? It’s been done to death multiple times over.
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Do we really need yet another thread whining about the royals though? It’s been done to death multiple times over
Considering the disruption ahead in the next week or so, and the cost & impact, then why not?
Happy to swear, but not allegiance.
Away with Mrs Pondo's family to "celebrate" the coronation. A nice day to get out on the bike.
Do we really need yet another thread whining about the royals though? It’s been done to death multiple times over.
I think so, yes. So long as the royal family exist in their current form, people should continue to voice their objection.
Used to like a bit of King.
Here we go again 🙄
Can't see anyone changing there mind about royalty, pro or against. I'll voice my opinions after the day.
” I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. “
Swearing allegiance to individuals that are at prep school, or might not even have been born yet. Totally normal country.
I’m not pledging allegiance to anyone or anything.
I am taking a stand here. Sorry.
I'm pledging allegiance to Mrs Fazzini, and, her acceptance of my love of bicycles 😉
(Edit: I may have accidentally omitted the word 'buying' from that sentence 🤷🏼♂️)
a) **** that.
b) Sandboy +1
Do we really need yet another thread whining about the royals though? It’s been done to death multiple times over.
Is there an ongoing coronation thread currently - might have missed it.
I do think the coronation is worthy of discussion beyond the 'what am I going to do with my extra bank holiday that is not even on the day the old boy gets a few million quids worth of precious metal and stone plonked on his head' inevitables.
My sense is that the antipathy of the nation is pretty palpable. Asking 'us' to actually pledge allegiance, making the act of going for a ride/garden/DIY instead almost an act of defiance, is poking the hornets nest. The sizeable proportion of the population not bothering and getting on with life will give the royalist DM readers something to get frothed up about, which is nice.
Like a Trump presidential inauguration crowd size, I suspect there will be statistical spinning after the event - does the BBC viewing figures and the Vox Pops of the deranged that have camped out for 4 nights to get a glimpse tell the true story, or is it the size of the queues at B&Q or the cars parked in trail centres? I suspect both - divided nation and all that.
Personally I'll be coordinating 7 DofE Gold exped groups in the hills - planned before queenie died and not rearranged. I'm of two minds if that constitutes a thumbing of nose or the ultimate act of royalist honouring.
Do we really need yet another thread whining about the royals though? It’s been done to death multiple times over.
As have:
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House buying issues
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It's a forum. That's what forums do. If we were only allowed to discuss stuff that hadn't bin dun before then the forum would have folded years ago.
Amazingly enough, if you don't bother watching it then you'll miss the bit where you can swear allegiance. Job done.
Used to like a bit of King.
Ooh, remember that time when King, Queen, Prince and Princess we're all in the charts at the same time!! Good times those.
The Archbishop of Canterbury will then proclaim "God save the King", with all asked to respond: "God save King Charles. Long live King Charles. May the King live forever."
Well that's not batshit mental medieval cult stuff is it?
The sooner we are rid the better.
Not my king.
I thought I knew my music….who were Princess?
Now is really not the time to be having these discussions.
Whatever your views, anyone with an atom of decency will reserve their thoughts until after the coronation.
It's only seven months since the death of HRH and the focus needs to be on supporting King Charles and celebrating this magnificent occasion.
Save the discussions for later.
Now is really not the time to be having these discussions.
Respectfully disagree at every conceivable level. In fact, I can't think of a more incorrect statement.
At the time of her death, you might have noticed most republicans kept a respectful silence. But this is not then. This is about the future. This is the moment to object.
I’ll support them when they support me
Till then it’s just the next season of Succession but made with our money and I can’t find the button to cancel my subscription
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I genuinely don’t know when the coronation is,
Me too.. I thought it was next week or is that just the BH?
With the internet now it really is entirely possible to live in a bubble.
This is why the emergency test signal is so useful they should announced it on that 😜
I swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
Every MP makes that ^^ oath, including SNP MPs. But not Sinn Fein, which is why there are no SF MPs.
Now is really not the time to be having these discussions.
Whatever your views, anyone with an atom of decency will reserve their thoughts until after the coronation.
It’s only seven months since the death of HRH and the focus needs to be on supporting King Charles and celebrating this magnificent occasion.Save the discussions for later.
I'm assuming this has to be sarcasm.
I had respect for the old queen, but there is always time for these discussions.
Charlie can f off will his billions and the right to change laws that we all have to follow to his benefit.
Screw him and the coronation
I thought I knew my music….who were Princess?
Was, not were. Some young pop starlet one-hit-wonder. Looked a bit like Nena Cherry IIRC.
I’m assuming this has to be sarcasm.
Ah, maybe it was and my ironymeter needs a tap. Apologies if it was. Rereading again it was pretty obvious it was not meant to be taken seriously.
They'd be a whimsical tut from my fellow countrymen if I sweared an oath to an English king.
Now is really not the time to be having these discussions.
Whatever your views, anyone with an atom of decency will reserve their thoughts until after the coronation.
It’s only seven months since the death of HRH and the focus needs to be on supporting King Charles and celebrating this magnificent occasion.Save the discussions for later.
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That’s brilliant! Well done. Nearly choked on my breakfast reading that.
Historically I was with the monarchy. Well, I tolerated their existence in the name of tradition and national identity, and because the queen seemed a good egg and was a good statesman/ambassador. But now she’s gone: off with their heads!
They’re taking the piss now frankly. Camilla slyly made queen “consort”, pledge your allegiance to the new king… get to ****! Everything else that was good about this country is being banned, underfunded, cancelled or sold off and yet we’re supposed to carry on supporting this parasitical anachronism? Bollocks. You’ve got a month to vacate your palaces so they can be developed into affordable housing.
Still, nice to have an extra bank holiday.
TL;DR ... As much as I appreciate the day off how much is this shite going to cost the economy? £3Bn? We're all in it together blah blah blah......but this sycophancy is going to make us poorer as a nation plus we're chuffing paying for the event even though he's worth nearly £1Bn.
May Baby Jesus bestow upon them the gift of dysentry, chlamydia or distemper
Indeed - I am totally befuddled why an event happening on a Saturday morning needs another public bank holiday on Monday. To do what with exactly?*
*There might be a touch of envy in this answer as I'll be working 2 out of 3 May bank holidays for no extra pay cos it's in my contract to do so.
TL;DR … As much as I appreciate the day off how much is this shite going to cost the economy? £3Bn?
Really?
Every MP makes that ^^ oath, including SNP MPs. But not Sinn Fein, which is why there are no SF MPs.
All that's new this time is that the general public are "invited" to do so if they wish. I'll be out or washing my hair.
Given the history of King Charles in this country keeping their heads is only 50/50 so far, I can see why he'd be keen on a pledge of loyalty from the rest of us.
This did make me think. Would I be prepared to swear an oath of allegiance in some form to recognise that I am part of society, and the quid pro quo that entails? I guess I would in principle.
Everything else that was good about this country is being banned
Sorry, I must have missed something here. What was good about this country that's been banned, what are you referring to?
very MP makes that ^^ oath, including SNP MPs. But not Sinn Fein, which is why there are no SF MPs.
Errmmm - in the scottish parliament they take a differnt oath and can affirm instead
Members will enter the Chamber individually from the north and south entrances. After being called by the Presiding Officer, they will proceed to the well of the Chamber where they will be asked whether they wish to take the oath or the affirmation. The choice is a personal one and the effect of both is the same.
The oath states: “I (Member’s Name), do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, Her Heirs and Successors, according to Law. So help me God.”
The affirmation states: “I (Member’s Name), do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, Her Heirs and Successors, according to Law.”
Same for armed forces.
I, (<i>Insert full name</i>), do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles, his heirs and successors, according to law. So help me God.
You can affirm also.
Would I be prepared to swear an oath of allegiance in some form to recognise that I am part of society,
That's an interesting take, which completely differs from mine. I guess it might depend on the prejudice you read it from. I very much read it as an allegiance to a hereditary head of state and their descendants, not to the 'society' over which they are imposed. I guess you can consider yourself to be part of a society of serfs if that's your bag.
They could have scrapped it completely and 'we', including him, could have taken part in a mass affirmation to the nation (or society) in all our different roles.
Sorry, I must have missed something here. What was good about this country that’s been banned, what are you referring to?
Off the top of my head - smoking in bars. Not that smoke myself. But now look what’s happened. A general atmosphere of sickly perfume and farts. Noisy little kids running around and insufferable people taking ages at the bar ordering food.
It's all bloody silly really. If you don't have the literal fear of god hanging over you then you might as well pinky promise.
I'm up for swearing and nuking
Every MP makes that ^^ oath, including SNP MPs. But not Sinn Fein, which is why there are no SF MPs.
No it isn’t. SF Abstention is is not over a refusal to swear allegiance to the monarch, that’s just a lazy way to ignore the real reasons, that of opposition to the British parliament legislating over Ireland. Not swearing is a consequence not the reason, if there was no oath of allegiance, under current SF policy, they would still absent themselves.
Bollards. To. That.
Off the top of my head – smoking in bars.
Is that seriously the best you can come up with? Smoking indoors? Do you sigh wistfully for those halcyon days where you had to boil-wash everything you were wearing after a night out? Your chicken-in-a-basket and fries just isn't the same without someone on the next table having a fag on the go?
Really?
Not that smoke myself. But now look what’s happened. A general atmosphere of sickly perfume and farts. Noisy little kids running around and insufferable people taking ages at the bar ordering food.
None of which has anything to do with a smoking ban.
That’s an interesting take, which completely differs from mine.
Well I think it is the same as yours. I wasn't trying to interpret the proposed oath of allegiance to make it more palatable, I was wondering what I would do if presented with a different one.
If you don’t have the literal fear of god hanging over you then you might as well pinky promise.
Oaths these days don't have to have anything to do with god. The coronation one will be on invitation from the arch bish, so it would be a bit awks if he gave an alternative for non believers. But forms of words exist which you can substitute if your only issue with it is the god part.
Sorry, I must have missed something here. What was good about this country that’s been banned, what are you referring to?
Freedom to peacefully protest has been gradually eroded.
Is that seriously the best you can come up with?
Nope. That’s why I said “off the top of my head”. To further enable the flow of chat old chap. Was I being summoned to prepare a statement of fact? On a Sunday? But the snooker final starts soon!
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You claimed "Everything else that was good about this country is being banned" - I can only conclude that either you have a big long list of things that were banned to the detriment of the country, literally "everything else" as you said, or you were talking abject bollocks.
Which was it?
Here's some flow of chat.... 😀 Hope they ban vaping soon. Can't be too long now. At one point vaping was haled as the answer to giving up smoking. Now you can buy give-up-vaping kits.
Oaths these days don’t have to have anything to do with god. The coronation one will be on invitation from the arch bish, so it would be a bit awks if he gave an alternative for non believers. But forms of words exist which you can substitute if your only issue with it is the god part.
That would be the 'affirmation' mentioned earlier I suppose.
It's not so much as I have an issue with the 'god' part - as an atheist I couldn't care less, you might as well ask me to swear under the watchful eye of Batman for the difference it makes - but rather without the belief in god part (and implied threat of retribution) the whole process is moot. No?
Errmmm – in the scottish parliament they take a differnt oath and can affirm instead
There are SNP members of the Westminster Parliament who have to take the same oath as all the others.
Poster on STW backs down from pointless argument in amusing and graceful manner…..surely a first. maybe the new kingy has indeed brought the nation together
I'm all for it but only if I can do it in the style of B Blessed from the top of Kinder Scout maniacally punching the sky in a violent thunder storm with ants in his pants.
Here’s some flow of chat…. 😀 Hope they ban vaping soon. Can’t be too long now. At one point vaping was haled as the answer to giving up smoking. Now you can buy give-up-vaping kits.
To be fair,
You can get vape juice in a variety of strengths including 0%, at which point you're basically sucking down gaseous Haribo. If you were looking to quit I expect it's considerably easier to do so with vapes than cigarettes, you can deal with the nicotine addiction and the oral fixation habit as two separate things.
And from my point of view, I'd rather get an accidental faceful of dewberry-flavoured steam than cigarette smoke. But this is probably a tangent too far.
Coronation liturgy
That links to the text with the promises Charles will make, some wacky stuff in there. But in amongst the religious stuff he will promise to behave himself according to laws and customs. So that's all right then.
Thing is though, he will promising to god, or the arch bish (may be the same thing in context), not us the people. If he's not swearing at me why should I swear back at him? This reliance on a divine intermediary is really quite problematical.
Talking about this with a mate today , my son in laws dad is a very forthright, salt of the earth , self employed builder who says what he sees and no messing . Yet he used to be in the Household Cavalry / Guards whichever wear the bearskin and you daren't criticise the Royal Family anywhere near him . I can't help thinking the Army certainly did a number on him over the years . Although on saying that that was when Liz was still alive not sure how he feels now not brave enough to ask ! 🙄
I think Kingsley has made his position clear
I’ll not be bothering.
Looking forward to the ‘Now it’s time to kneel’ posts on social media too.
I’ll be in a pub that won’t be showing it or up a hill with the dog.
he used to be in the Household Cavalry / Guards whichever wear the bearskin and you daren’t criticise the Royal Family anywhere near him
Odd, isn't it? People defend the realm for Queen and country, yet you aren't allowed to engage with them about said democracy through fear of upset, or much worse.
but rather without the belief in god part (and implied threat of retribution) the whole process is moot. No?
Hmmm. You appear to think that your word is worthless unless enforceable in some way. Really?
I would not with to pledge allegiance swearing to god because I am an atheist. However if I had to it would make no difference as I have no fear of retribution from god!
I can’t help thinking the Army certainly did a number on him over the years .
Of course they did. All military training has an element of mental conditioning/brain washing, particularly what would be considered frontline infantry. It's the only way to ensure they will do as they are told.
You don't have to swear allegiance to the KING and his descendants if you don't want to.
Unless you are applying for UK citizenship, in which case you do.
“I swear that I will pay true allegiance to your majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God.”
Absolute shite but thanks for the day off bro.
for a supposedly educated man the Arch Dick of Cantebury is a ****ing idiot coming out with all this divide right bull crap. he should walk in and say "this is a ****ing travesty a as if the church of Jesus christ would have any interest in picking kings" crown your ****ing self.
enablers and sycophants suck ups and climbers forelock tuggers and serfs what a miserable sight we make.
I would not with to pledge allegiance swearing to god because I am an atheist. However if I had to it would make no difference as I have no fear of retribution from god!
But would you regard a solemn promise, made by you in whatever form you think appropriate, as having any value?
Can't say I have particularly strong feelings either way about the Royal Family but I certainly won't be pledging anything. Actually that's not true, I pledge to ignore the whole thing.
made by you in whatever form you think appropriate
Thats a completely different point and somewhat argumentative.
But would you regard a solemn promise, made by you in whatever form you think appropriate, as having any value?
Of course. If I give my word I mean it. I don't need some imaginary deity to give me morals
I'm up for giving it a try, it'll be funny as **** if it works. But then I am quite evil and vindictive so maybe others will just think it's cruel.
I've regularly sworn an oath to the Queen as a Scout, and have no problem with that - to me, the Queen/King in that context represents the country/society, I've never thought of it in any feudal/servile context.
Swearing an oath to the king on his coronation, for some reason seems more feudal to me without the wider Scouting context. Maybe I'm confused or hypocritical, but I'm out.
Others are free to swear an oath or not, free choice, not for me to judge.
Whatever your views, anyone with an atom of decency will reserve their thoughts until after the coronation.
This is far too hasty. It has been a difficult time for the country. Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second's death roiled the nation, coming as it did so soon after George VI's tragic passing. Now is not the time for division. Instead, whatever our political opinion, we should unite around the things everyone agrees on, viz. what a wonderful job King Charles will do and how lucky we are to have him reign over us.
