You may have seen the new e-bike from Trek launch this week. It's called the Trek Fuel EXe and it's a Very Interesting Bike. We'd go as far to say tha ...
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Yep, colour me interested. Saw a couple of first ride video's yesterday and it's gone to the top of my 'new bike' list already. Been um'ing and ah'ing over a few bikes, both E and normal and this could well be my First Ever E-Bike(tm).
Price not withstanding, it looks like a goldilocks bike to me, just about right in all the important areas. Mainly weight and handling, I dont want a monster truck/shuttle bike and an Orbea Rise was on the list for tha reason, but this my have the juice and power that the Rise doesn't.
Edit: my only concern would be an untested motor from a new manufacturer, what's the warranty like ben?
Oddly, of the non E bikes i'm looking at, a Top Fuel is up there as well, Trek do make some good bikes these days.
the ring gear motor looks great. i guess time will tell how it stands up to the abuse, but it has the makings of big things (in small packages)
Theres something that doesnt sit right about the frame itself. Maybe its the yellow, maybe its the full carbon swoops. I think bringing this motor tech to more moderatly priced Aluminium frames and builds over the coming year, will be a welcome move.
5. It’s from a big brand
Isn’t it pretty much just like an Orbea Rise? In all kinds of ways, yes it is. But not in one crucial regard: Trek is one of the biggest bike brands in the world.
The entry level Orbea Rise seems to be roughly £900 cheaper than the entry level Trek, with a better spec, slightly more powerful motor and similar weight. What benefit does Trek's size bring to this?
this my have the juice and power that the Rise doesn’t
I'm not sure that's correct - are you thinking of the spesh ?
It's a trek, if it's anything like that last two or three treks i've dealt with there will be one critically important widget that only trek make and is only available through trek dealers and must be installed by a trek dealer. 6 weeks after they shift to the next version of the frame, they'll stop making it.
Kicker:- it's a bearing that could easily be a ISO size, but instead uses a non-standard imperial size that has been defunct since the 1970's.
Aside from the price, the Fuel EXe removes the final few issues that the e-curious crowd had.
For me the high initial purchase price isn't as problematic as the potential cost of a motor replacement after a year or two, and that remains to be seen.
I don't see it Johnny, you've got warranty and several companies are doing full repairs on motors now, the more people buy them, the more the repair companies will pop up.
Trek are one of the best to deal with warranty wise, and this seems to be a close collaboration with the motor manufacturer, so I'd be optimistic about warranty support.
I'd struggle with the spec though - nine and a half thousand euro for me for a base model, and that has Select+ Rockshox suspension, and a load of Bontrager parts, there's hardly a single part I wouldn't want to swap out. Stupid one piece bar and stem, I'm looking at you in particular.
Worse still, the same bike with a GX AXS mech and shifter is 1500 more expensive (well, Code R's swaped in for XT 4-pots also) - you can buy a GX AXS upgrade including cassette and chain for 600 quid, not to mention the price of the XT group that you'd be taking off.
For those of you not yet au fait with Nm, the Fuel EXe’s top power level of 50Nm is
Um. Since when has Nm been a measure of power?
The TQ motors have been running in M1 Sporttechnik bikes for a while now...
Interesting to see weights of the cheaper models rather than the all dancing singing version.
The weights are on the Trek website, IIRC the base model is 19.5kg and to get the headline 17.5kg you have to spend £11.5K! The £13K flagship model is actually heavier...
I think bringing this motor tech to more moderatly priced Aluminium frames and builds over the coming year, will be a welcome move.
The trouble is, when the "entry level" model is £5700, who do you market the £5000 aluminum one at?
The trouble is, when the “entry level” model is £5700, who do you market the £5000 aluminum one at?
I missed that earlier - the cheapest is carbon, vs the alu Rise at £900 less.
Won't the most important bike of the decade (assuming all the way to 2029/30) be the bike that can do all that this one can but for £3k* and maybe 35lbs?
At the moment it's beyond the reach of most people and is therefore only as important as any other bike over £7k^?
*choose your own arbitrary price for a 'good value and good performing' bike!
^choose your own arbitrary price for a 'expensive and therefore niche' bike!
Clickbait article title is clickbait
Yeah bike companies definitely arent over reaching as we teeter toward a global recession
and they are investing heavily in eBikes that have eyewatering price tags
also have motors with high failure rates & batteries that loose efficiency over time
oh and both of these are constantly being improved upon, so go obsolte quickly
whats depreciation like for resale?
Seller "Buy my ebike, used for 1 season- bargain at £10k"
Buyer "Does it have transferable warranty on the motor/battery?"
Seller "no"
Buyer "How much is a replacement motor/ battery"
Seller "£1000/ £400"
Buyer "does the latest version of this bike use a compatible battery/ motor?"
Seller "no theres a new version out"
Buyer "will you take £500?"
Seller "but it cost me £15k!!" .....
I don’t see the point. It’s still too heavy to replace a mtb with one. Who wants to pedal something that heavy. But you don’t get the benefits of being motorised because the battery and motor aren’t upto the job compared to other motors. Do what’s the point? Worst of both works as far as I can see. The video’s on other sites suggested it’s along way from silent
But you don’t get the benefits of being motorised because the battery and motor aren’t upt o the job compared to other motors.
Utter rubbish. I'm hardly an athlete (unless eating chock Hob Nobs is an Olympic sport) and I ride a Kenevo SL with a 35Nm motor. It's plenty, unless you get your kicks from riding up hill like your arse is on fire. I used to ride a Trek Rail with 85Nm and the KSL is more satisfying in every respect.
Hardly a shot across Specialized bow Specialized put a.shot across the bike industry when they launched the Levo, you're saying the Trek is the most important bike of the decade, more like its taken the competition a decade to catch up, and what about the new Pivot, it makes this Trek look positively old in comparison.
Naysayers aside that is the first eMTB I’ve seen that I would consider buying.
I hired a Specialized Levo SL and it was the perfect amount of assistance IMHO. Rode just like a nice competent mountain bike.
The Trek is very nice but as with all these new bikes, I'm too poor afford one.
Definitely more interesting to me than pretty much all other e-mtbs. I don't need full power, I just want everything to be a little bit easier. But, too expensive for me still.
Well, I’m glad I’ve ordered an Orbea Rise (better VFM and with a more powerful motor from a known brand with years of experience of manufacturing them). Hope the motor in the Trek is more robust and reliable than the Brose ones Spesh use!
everyone is too poor to afford one, hence interest free credit on new ones! same applies to all top end MTB's and the industry relies on it.
Tbh, I think it looks stunning simply as a mountain bike, the motor tech is icing on the cake, I'm very interested!
It’s not even a bike it’s a motorbike. It has as engine. Just think how much you could save if you spent a fraction of the cost on getting a bit fitter
I wouldn't say the most important bike of the decade.
Looks interesting though and the power sounds reasonable. I wouldn't buy a specialized sl as it just sounds too weak at 35nm and the high pitched motor noise is horrific.
Who is even buying motorless bikes these days? They have surely gone the way of the dodo.
At the moment it’s beyond the reach of most people and is therefore only as important as any other bike over £7k^?
Based on the number of eBikes I see at the likes of the Golfie, ridden by folk that really don't look 'minted' I'm not sure I agree with you.
I wouldn’t buy a specialized sl as it just sounds too weak at 35nm
I have it on good authority that the new SL that's not released yet is a fair bit more powerful.
Same motor just more oomphh.
A friend had one fitted in his KSL to test a couple of weeks back.
Will these low power bikes get you up as steep a hill as a more powerful one?
If I was to get an ebike I want to climb the steepest hills around.
I have it on good authority that the new SL that’s not released yet is a fair bit more powerful.
Same motor just more oomphh.
A friend had one fitted in his KSL to test a couple of weeks back.
There has been at least one bike on long term test in the Forest of Dean for ages. If it's just a firmware update there will be a lot of happy Spesh owners, if not, well... 🤣
I was pretty scathing about the idea in a thread a while ago but I'm warming up to it now. I'm guessing a piggy back battery is available too.
I think if I go there I'll be late to the party as I only bought my main bike (non ebike) last year and I can neither afford or justify the addition/swap any time soon.
I think for me something like this with a piggyback might be what I'd go for when........reliability is a default given. Until then it's just too much cash for the level of risk they seem to come with.
Deffo interested in this class of ebike (*doddering xc rider, but still trying to pedal, so on a levo, off/low about 80% time, mid - 15% high - 5% (possibly lower, steep hill bits, mud disaster, abject leg failure and once for about and hour when after a phone call I had to get home).
Tried the levo sl, but didn’t think it had quite enough power, esp as when I need it it’s because I need it if you see what I mean (*ie I’m knackered/can’t do it)
Loved the rise, esp after weighing it, but having had a shimano motor just not prepared to deal with the potential out of warranty costs due to lack of repairability. (*I still use my 2006 orange 5, can’t build wheels or e-motors)
Overall I *think the 50/60 power and 350 battery will work for me, esp with extender.
So trek
- removable battery a plus for me (hotels, self catering etc)
- unknown motor - ho hum - warranty, rebuildability, spares
- big brand but seen some ‘critique’ of their warranty/parts availability.
Pivot
- seems to be as above(*not sure on battery)with probably more warranty critique.
awaiting new levo sl, my levo has really impressed me and I have a localish very highly recommended dealer. If it is the same motor it is “apparently” rebuildable but it probably has a fixed battery.
Wonder what else will come along.
Yes, it’s the ‘unknown’ motor that really puts me off this bike just now.
It might turn out to be a good one, but guess it needs a few thousand of them to be out in the real world for a couple of years to see how they hold up.
IME, not all ebike motors are troublesome fragile things. The Bosch Performance CX in my Trek Rail has been flawless - just over 2000 miles in 2.5 years and still feels and sounds like new. (Used all year round, but I’ve never jet washed or modded it). A friend has a few Rails on his hire fleet, which get much more use and abuse (and jetwashing!) than mine and they’re also still going strong. He’s been hiring out and servicing lots of bikes and ebikes for years and says the Bosch motors are generally the toughest and most reliable out there. Not the quietest of motors, but the CX does feel robust.
Stealth ad warning - it’s a shame I’ve got to flog my Rail to fund the Orbea purchase.
Who is even buying motorless bikes these days? They have surely gone the way of the dodo.
That's just rubbish. I ride with 3 distinct gangs of riders, One person amongst them owns an e-bike and I don't hear much talk amongst the others enthusing about them. And that's actual mountain bikers*. When you think about kids with bikes, MTB riding commuters, general transport bikes, I see even fewer e-bikes.
*Not an elegant phrase, but you know what I mean, people who have mountain bikes specifically for mountain biking and not general riding.
Kimbers sums up all my issues with ebikes pretty well!
Really need to be more maintainable. 2 years non-transferable warranty for motor/battery is not enough IMO. What happened to sustainability? Could this be part of the reviews maybe? Can this motor be fixed anywhere outside warranty or is it like Shimano?
Maybe you clip a pedal (not uncommon) and damage something in the motor not covered by warranty, what happens?
Who is even buying motorless bikes these days? They have surely gone the way of the dodo.
Well, people like me.
Ebike to replace a car journey - fantastic.
Ebike cos you need help to overcome disability/illness/age - go for it.
Ebike cos, basically, you're too lazy to pedal - get in the sea
The dodo comparison is apt, they were made extinct though human stupidity.
weeksy
I don’t see it Johnny, you’ve got warranty and several companies are doing full repairs on motors now, the more people buy them, the more the repair companies will pop up.
Last time I checked NO-ONE but Bosch can do a full repair on a Bosch motor... they won't sell the control board even to partners.
Kimbers sums it up pretty accurately^^^ , essentially ticking financial time bombs after warranty or if warranty isn't transferred ..
^^^ this is a nagging worry for me, My Levo SL is just on 2 yrs old now, it was an expensive bike at the outset and has since had an upgraded fork and AXS shifting and dropper, so a lot of cash in it were it to break outside warranty..
More of these bikes please! Lightweight motors that are almost invisible and almost silent, it's a great option for those who don't want/need a full heavyweight ebike but want some assistance for getting in as many runs as possible in an hour after work, or for big days in the mountains.
Maybe not this trek, but a bike with this system is one I can see myself buying in a few years time.
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Way of the 'net innit.
Honest headline : "5 reasons the Trek Fuel EXe is most interesting Ebike of the moment" ?
doomaniac
Utter rubbish. I’m hardly an athlete (unless eating chock Hob Nobs is an Olympic sport) and I ride a Kenevo SL with a 35Nm motor. It’s plenty, unless you get your kicks from riding up hill like your arse is on fire. I used to ride a Trek Rail with 85Nm and the KSL is more satisfying in every respect.
TBH I really really enjoy riding up like my arse is on fire...
More generally though I ride with a load of geriatrics .. some are even as old as me and its pretty mixed with conventional/full fat EMTB and semi skimmed EMTB
TBH I mostly ride my HT in mixed groups but we do have a few "eBike only" rides.
It's a completely different ride if its only full fat EEBS... in almost every way from the routes we take to sessions to average speed. Don't get me wrong, I love riding whatever and don't not want to ride with mates on semi-skimmed its just different.
@doomanic
Ummm... do you fancy some FoD riding ?
I'm setting off for Cannop soon (today)... and riding till Saturday evening. (Need to be home Sat night)
Most of my (geriatric) mates are going to BPW tomorrow (Fri) but I prefer FOD and so some are then meeting me Friday night/Sat morning
Plan was I was going to do a bit of a ride evening/tonight (analogue as I have no way to recharge) then ride the EEB tomorrow and do some exploring.
My mate arrives Fri night and is paying for accom (Speech House) so he's going to take my charger and battery for me to recharge for Sat...
Assuming your working - If you fancy an evening be great if you fancy a ride.. I can always take the other bike out during the day and save the EEB battery .. nothing set in stone except meeting my mate Friday night.
Seems we're making a bit of progress.
Two pages and only one eebers are for lazy people post.
Two pages and only one eebers are for lazy people post.
I think there's been two. Typical eebers, too lazy to read properly 😉
perhaps it IS the most important bike of the decade then ^^
I'm not an "eeber" BTW.
I just ride "bikes".
Nice to have a choice.
Typical lazy ebike troll. You need to put more effort in. 😁
@stevextc normally I'd jump at the chance but I'm to Cyprus on Saturday and busy until then.
I find it hard to believe that a bike who's 3rd top reason for being amazing is 'Its not too heavy' will be considered the 'bike of the decade'.
It's just a slightly better bike than some other bikes. Just like another bike in a couple of weeks will be.
^^^ this is a nagging worry for me, My Levo SL is just on 2 yrs old now, it was an expensive bike at the outset and has since had an upgraded fork and AXS shifting and dropper, so a lot of cash in it were it to break outside warranty..
Someone buying aftermarket AXS can (probably) afford to repair it or if they don't want the risk, chop it in - how often do you change bikes?
^^^ probably, but not really the point, I probably change bikes every 3 or 4 years, though I have no idea what the residual value will be on this one, given it'll have a motor that will likely break sometime.
Just because its out of warranty doesnt mean if it breaks it cant be fixed, in the worst case you'll just end up paying for a new motor - (which will then have a warranty).
...you'll just end up paying for a new motor.
Which is what, starting at a thousand quid?
Which is what, starting at a thousand quid?
RRP on the Specialized one I had to buy was £700. They gave me 50% off that in return for them keeping the knackered motor.
Same for a battery.
Which is what, starting at a thousand quid?
yes, but it's an unlikely outcome to have a completely written off motor. A SRAM Eagle AXS rear mech is over £400. You can write off your fork stanchions dropping your bike against a rock - Fox 38 CSU is over £400. Stuff on bikes is expensive.
Who is even buying motorless bikes these days? They have surely gone the way of the dodo.
Fit, adventurous, bikers who like the whole package that mtb brings, not just the easy bits.😙
And good looking too. Did I say good looking...
Seems we’re making a bit of progress.
Two pages and only one eebers are for lazy people post.
Ftfy.
Typical lazy ebike troll. You need to put more effort in.
😁
HTH. I'm on an ee keyboard. Doesn't require as much effort. Can go on for longer. More smiles etc.
( and gets me fitter natch)
A SRAM Eagle AXS rear mech is over £400. You can write off your fork stanchions dropping your bike against a rock – Fox 38 CSU is over £400. Stuff on bikes is expensive.
An AXS mech (on its own) can be had, new, for £250 ish. Wreck a stanchion beyond repair and there are shops that can replace individual ones for a fair bit less than £400.
Not saying it’s cheap, but the figures being discussed here aren’t my experience.
Things that get written off can be covered by bike insurance accidental damage. Not sure if that's the case with motors and batteries.
I’m on an ee keyboard.
It's a shame it can't type a witty reply for you.
Maybe the battery's flat.
Back on topic.
Does anyone really consider what the second hand value might be when buying a bike?
Can't say it's ever influenced my bike choices over the years.
Does anyone really consider what the second hand value might be when buying a bike?
Can’t say it’s ever influenced my bike choices over the years.
A bit, but granted not too much.
What I would say however it that 2nd hand value at 2/3yrs old is a very very good indicator of how desirable a bike is to keep for the long term. Now that is something that interests me greatly. For financial and ethical reasons I want the stuff I buy to have a long life ahead of it - either with me using it, or someone else. If I don't want to keep it (because either their continued ownership represents a reliability risk or pace of change is so rapid that new stuff is some much better to render it redundant) and no one want to buy it (for the same reasons) I just don't see that as a sustainable situation. I know that does not fit with the commercial, profit driven world companies want us to live in, but there you go.
its defo not the most important bike of the decade. its just a new motor like a forza motor.
the Intradrive Motor / gearbox combo in the orange on pinkbike is most definately the most important bike of the decade.
we dont want derailleurs/cassettes anymore on eebs please.
I find it hard to believe that a bike who’s 3rd top reason for being amazing is ‘Its not too heavy’
The only amazing thing about it really, is that it doesn't make your eyeballs spontaneously projectile vomit when you look at it.
Does anyone really consider what the second hand value might be when buying a bike?
Probably not so much when a decent new bike is £3k and you’ll have it for say, four years. You’d probably lose less than £2k over those four years in depreciation. So £500 per year.
But if your fancy e-bike costs £7k new, would it still be worth £3k after four years i.e. £1k per year in depreciation? And if the motor eats itself just after the warranty runs out, you’d potentially be taking a much, much bigger £ hit in either replacement costs or depreciation or both.
I think the cost of ownership changes considerably with e-bike pricing and will make more and more people consider second hand values.
Spend £7k on an Orbea Rise now and what’s it worth in four years? £1k…?
£1k ?
HEre's a 19' that's up for £4000, so they're not exactly dropping through the floor.
Sure you'll lose money, but it won't be worthless.
That advert sort of proves my point though. It’s had a new motor!!!
And I suspect that bike cost >£7k new, so cost of ownership in the region of £5k (or considerably more) for less than three years.
Yeah, I'd not normally be thinking about resale value. Almost ever bike I've bought has been to satisfy a current requirement, one that I didn't see coming to an end. Neither do I change bikes often enough to really think about it. But also I've never doesn't anything like that sort of money on a bike!
For me the high initial purchase price isn’t as problematic as the potential cost of a motor replacement after a year or two, and that remains to be seen.
I think its longer than a 'year or two' as mine is about a year old and without any problems whatsoever and im on a forum for ebikes and that type of thing isnt being reported. Sure some malfunction, but isnt that the same for everything.
As to replacement cost, which is about 800, not even the price of a cracked/broken frame or high end fox fork.
As to replacement cost, which is about 800, not even the price of a cracked/broken frame or high end fox fork.
But you'd face those costs on an e-bike too, so you may have to swallow them all AND the motor if you're unlucky.
To me it's a different (and unaffordable) ownership proposition for e-bikes at the moment.
this costs about high entry costs for ebikes - why do you need a £7k+ ebike? you are going to smash it about and ride it through crap all winter!
there are plenty around 4k now and will be probably less in the sales.
i got mine for £3250. i dont think that is an unreasonable cost. yes its got crap kit but given you`ll do a drivetrain every 6 months, at least, you dont want anything fancy. in a year and a half I have upgraded teh forks (for £250) and changed the freehub and tyres and 3 drivetrains. if i spend on a new motor once the warrenty runs out i still dont think thats too bad given the amount of abuse it gets. Its not fancy or carbon though. (focus jam2)
I find the pricing of things, especially bikes and ebikes,etc unfathomable. I have a habit of doing comparisons, and sometimes its pretty damn stark that you are left wondering how they arrived at the price they have.
Construction of a bike frame, any frame be that alloy, carbon(i accept the manufacturing process of carbon is a bit longer) steel or ti isnt an aerospace level of construction. Its just tubing welded together and for the most part done so robotically.
So how can they ask £2k for a bunch of tubes that collectively have a price of under a hundred quid suddenly become worth £2k. As said, manufacturing costs are minimal, paint int he grand scheme of this is nothing. So to my eyes they're taking something that in reality cost a couple of hundred to build and marking it up several hundred percent.
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A comparison. Engineering mill. X,Y,Z axis, can be CNC controlled. Thousands of precision produced parts that take considerably longer to produce and to put together and with greater accuracy than a poxy bike frame. An engineering machine weighing 1000kg plus, designed for industrial use spanning decades, priced the same as a specialized s-works carbon ebike frame. It just does not compare, and we'll also find our mill was constructed here or the US, Europe, but our extremely expensive bike frame is mass produced in the far east where wages are considerably lower.
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I'm sorry Boys and Girls, but the cycling industry is ripping us off royally 😕
I dunno, I agree bikes have got ridiculously expensive. But I think some of that is down to overcomplicating them and adding costs.
Remember when Marzzochi arrived on the scene with what were essentially scaled down motorcycle forks? The compression damper was a shim stack and the rebound was a needle valve. Now look at the cutaway models of the latest RS and Fox products with hundreds of tiny machined parts and oil pathways, etc.
And the segmentation is getting out of hand too. RS has the 35, Pike, Revelation, Lyric and Yari, all with multiple configurations, all occupying the same gnarly trail / enduro market segment.
Forks especially need a Collin Chapman to disrupt the market with a "simplify and add lightness" philosophy.
And I hope shimano's roadmap doesn't include the end of mechanical SLX like they've just done with 105.
So how can they ask £2k
People pay it and they sell out. Why should they charge anything less?
The price of consumer goods is rarely directly linked to what it costs to make, they will charge whatever the market will stand,at present the market seems quite happy to pay the current asking prices.
Personally I can't afford a new bike but as time goes on, and I get more time poor, I completely get the idea of an MTB that I can ride the 6 road miles (most of which is up a steep effing hill) to my local trails without being spent by the time I get there. The trails are on a ridge and I know loads of riders who have converted purely due to the ability to ride more downhill in the time they have available. I've definitely cut a ride short because I won't have time to do the down and then the up and get back in time.
However, whilst the specs suggest the Small will fit a rider sized 5'0.2" - 5'5.6", 29" wheels mean I'm riding a clown bike! I have enough trouble popping my 650B that weighs 10lbs less, I dread to think what this would be like.
In case you're wondering, I may be protesting too much, I really want one but won't be test riding one in case I realise how good they are and how much all my concerns are moot!
Forks especially need a Collin Chapman to disrupt the market with a “simplify and add lightness” philosophy.
Colin Chapman's ideal was also to design a vehicle that was no more resilient than it needed to be to cross the finish line and then fall to bits. 🤣
Colin Chapman’s ideal was also to design a vehicle that was no more resilient than it needed to be to cross the finish line and then fall to bits.
Wasn’t driver safety somewhere below ‘what colour is it’ on the priority list too?
Great idea for a follow-up article: "20 reasons why the Trek Fuel EXe is NOT the most-important bike of the decade".
Just cut and paste the comments from here. Job jobbed.
Further editorial consultancy services are available for a very reasonable day rate.
ianc
^^^ this is a nagging worry for me, My Levo SL is just on 2 yrs old now, it was an expensive bike at the outset and has since had an upgraded fork and AXS shifting and dropper, so a lot of cash in it were it to break outside warranty..
I'm trying to rationalise this myself... at least comparing to my real bike strategies but I've not managed to make it make sense to me.
I guess on one hand your fork, dropper etc. is transferrable ... and there might already be or might be in the future a way to put a newer (presumably smaller) motor into the same space with an after market adapter or on the other hand you view the frame, motor, battery and electronics as basically disposable? Currently I think more or less any battery can be rebuilt but how long until they do some system (like ink cartridges on some printers) to pair cells with the BMS so you can't just replace them?
Dunno on one hand maybe buying the absolute cheapest bike in a range and just transfer your other stuff onto it is one way? Perhaps treat the wheels as a spare set for fast rolling tyres if they are terrible ?
At the back of my mind the last 2 cars I scrapped were both basically electronics. There was nothing majorly wrong mechanically with either but noone could really put a finger on it and say "spend this much and it will fix the electronic faults"
dyna-ti
As to replacement cost, which is about 800, not even the price of a cracked/broken frame or high end fox fork.
It's a big difference though... even my "best bike" cost me £350 for the frame and that was £100 what I would have paid had it not been my birthday and my kid thinking it was cool I got the same frame as he has ... (and it came with bling headset and BB)
As for forks ... most of mine are 2015/16 with various upgrades I've got a newer Lyrik ultimate but that was about £600 but assuming it somehow broke beyond repair I'd just be able to stick on another set of forks. My mate just got a bike for his kid with a Lyrik where the stanchions were screwed but £250 for a brand new Yari and 1/2 hour swapping the damper and airshafts over fixed that..
The same options don't exist for motors though... and the bike is essentially a brick without one.
@doomanic
Hope cyprus was good, had a blast in FOD (as usual) but also went further afield than I usually do... still more or less in the "Cannop Triangle" (defined by roads) but found way more stuff.
