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Basically a dude known as Count Dankula trains his girlfriend's dog to do a 'Nazi' salute when he says things like "gas the Jews". He's been found guilty of an offense under the Communications Act and is likely to be given a short prison sentence.
I shant link it for fear of getting the Guantanamo treatment, but it's still readily available on youtube should you choose to search for "M8 Yer Dugs A Nazi".
What are we saying then STW? Well deserved? Or a free-speech stifling waste of time?
Nazi pugs
Nazi pugs
Nazi pugs
**** off.
Sounds fair enough, they can bang all racists up for a bit for me.
free speech waste of time.
Stupid speech prosecute
A guy in my town trained his dog to bark aggressively when he said the N word.
I couldn't give 2 **** to what ever happened to him either.
Idiots will be idiots. Best to ignore
Former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson arrived at Airdrie Sheriff Court to show his support for Meechan
Bang him up I say.
No problem with dogs giving Nazi salutes personally, but "gas the Jews" is a bit off.
I think that this speaks volumes about the comedian's comic abilities.
I hope the judge doesn't see Ricky Gervais' Humanity. Makes Nazi pugs look tame.
Some people teach dogs to guide blind people, some to find hidden drugs or bombs, some teach dogs to chase criminals. And some people are **** wits.
Forgot to give zippykona a LOL.
😀
Obvious joke, massive waste of police time.
This is the legislation used, I can see how what they did would be covered.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127
Well played Zippy.
I dunno, I would be both appalled and amused by this dog. And I don't think whether I find something funny or not is a good gauge of whether it's actually comedy.
It's a joke, some may laugh, some may take offence. Might be a good or a bad joke but I dont think it should be a crime to joke about it.
nother martyr for the neo-nobheads. Home-goal by the justice system IMO.
Complete and utter waste of resources, it should have been dismissed for being the joke it was obviously intended to be. I remember seeing this when it happened and thought it was a complete over reaction and nothing would eventually come of it. Just can't believe he could now do time for it. Makes me angry actually thinking about all the crimes that get let go, not investigated etc and people who have done terrible things not even serving a day in jail yet there was enough resources to be wasted on this shite.
Don't see any joke looks like a valid prosecution.
Ugh. A friend of mine has a ten year old daughter who brought another kid home. This child stood in the middle of their kitchen and told my friend's daughter 'you're the most hated girl in our class because you're Jewish'. I don't think kid 2 was even trying to be nasty, just stating what they saw as fact.
So I'm with the police on prosecuting this, there are a lot of people out there who don't think it's just funny.
Guys a fanny but does he need to go to jail, compared with proper hate this is almost pathetic.
As we mentioned above about the RIcky G new one, he covers this about being offended and his joke about Hitler as a dinner party guest is really funny. IMO
People (not all) are all to happy laughing until it his a nerve and they find that part offensive. But were happy laughing at bits others find offensive. again IMO
just as I was trying this a RG tweet pop up
”A man has been convicted in a UK court of making a joke that was deemed "grossly offensive". If you don't believe in a person's right to say things that you might find "grossly offensive", then you don't believe in Freedom of Speech“
It's a sad state of affairs when being offensive is considered a crime. Pathetic really.
Kilo
Don’t see any joke looks like a valid prosecution.
He's conflating Hitler, the genocidal dictator with a pug.
Hitler
...a pug.
It's the juxtaposition you see. Hitler killed a lot of people. As far as I know, this pug did not. Now if he had actually trained this dog to gas jews there might have been an issue but as far as I can see, the dog did not posses the means to gas the jews.
And the element of humour in this juxtaposition is?
And the element of humour in this juxtaposition is?
...entirely subjective. The fact that you don't see it, aren't willing to acknowledge, or deny that it exists doesn't mean that holds true for everyone else. The ironic juxtaposition of Hitler, and a Pug can be considered amusing because of how different they are, and the taboo subject matter. It can be either, or both, or none.
I thought it was funny, however i can differentiate between a genuine nazi with their abhorrent beliefs and a bloke winding his girlfriend up by getting her beloved pug to salute on a given cue.
So if it's entirely subjective and I said I don't see any humour in the activity what was the point of your post, did you figure I couldn't understand the concept of a juxtaposition?
Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's not there.
Maybe we should have a degenerate comedy show exhibiting examples of all the most offensive comics to serve as an example of what is criminally offensive?
Saying that, I have no sympathy for the guy. Mind you I haven't watched the video but it sounds terrible. winky-smiley-here.
Don’t see any joke looks like a valid prosecution.
You don't need to see the joke, he explains it in the video.
Any one that thinks it is right to possibly imprison this man for his video is a professionally offended idiot.
At least Count Dankula will be able to see the funny side; the irony that the people calling for his prosecution and imprisonment for teaching his GF's dog to salute like a Nazi, are behaving like Nazis.
You do not have the right to not be offended.
But it's such bad taste.
Yes that's because it's subjective, hanging around with neo nazis is less subjective a measure of being a dick. Yes I'm professionally offended course I am. We're the bench professionally offended too? And presumably the PF office?
kilo
So if it’s entirely subjective and I said I don’t see any humour in the activity what was the point of your post, did you figure I couldn’t understand the concept of a juxtaposition?
No, your exact words were "Don't see any joke", not "I don't see the humour" or "I don't find it funny". "Don't see any joke" implies that you cannot see a joke, or the mechanism which causes it to be funny. So if you did see that it was a juxtaposition and chose to ignore that, then you posted a lie, presumably to signal how virtuous you are.
hanging around with neo nazis
Ooh, oh do go on...
Former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson arrived at Airdrie Sheriff Court to show his support for Meechan – even interviewing him outside Sheriff Court during a recess in the trial.
Hand wringers warm your hands up.
Im not a web developer so dont know the secret codes to make links work on this forums, lets see how this looks.
No, your exact words were “Don’t see any joke”, not “I don’t see the humour” or “I don’t find it funny”. “Don’t see any joke” implies that you cannot see a joke, or the mechanism which causes it to be funny. So if you did see that it was a juxtaposition and chose to ignore that, then you posted a lie, presumably to signal how virtuous you are.
Dont see see any joke means I don't see any humour in the activity, therefore, being to me humourless, there's no joke there. Virtue signaling, course I am dear. Going to have my dinner now but you carry on getting irked
Presumably you think the creator of this meme should go to jail too?
Ah.
I wouldn't have labelled Robinson as a neo-nazi.
I mean, he's almost certainly a racist football thug, and several times convicted criminal, but I would have drawn the line just short of neo-nazi.
Foolish of Dankula to meet with him. Robinson will use his "free speech" crusade to latch onto the more legitimate.
Just found the video. Funniest thing for me was the comment "LITERALLY HITLER". The video oldtalent posted was amusing however.
if it IS just a prank on his girlfriend, why does he then feel compelled to film & broadcast it to the world, giggling like a naughty schoolboy who’s just learnt to swear as he repeats “gas the Jews” over and over? I can certainly see why some people would find it grossly offensive. The Sherrif thought the guy’s explanation was a lie, presumably thinking the real intention is to garner YouTube clicks by being controversial/offensive. If he disagrees with the decision, I guess he can appeal and take it to a higher court.You don’t need to see the joke, he explains it in the video.
Former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson arrived at Airdrie Sheriff Court to show his support for Meechan – even interviewing him outside Sheriff Court during a recess in the trial.
Could have been worse. Might have been Jeremy Corbyn.
but as far as I can see, the dog did not posses the means to gas the jews.
unless you have smelt its farts you can't make that comment.
all my kids have been hitler babies
I'd have jailed him just for being from Coatbridge.
”A man has been convicted in a UK court of making a joke that was deemed “grossly offensive”. If you don’t believe in a person’s right to say things that you might find “grossly offensive”, then you don’t believe in Freedom of Speech“
Once upon a time, such things as gender equality, homosexuality, etc were all "grossly offensive"
He's a ****, this was in incredibly bad taste, but jail time? really? If he was advocating/inciting violence then fine, but this seems a bit far.
I’d have jailed him just for being from Coatbridge.
Seems a far more serious offence.
Its daft being a crime. Once you start down that road where does it end. Anyone can claim they find anything offensive. Who would decide what is and isn't offensive then ? Those most offended ? The hyper sensitive ? The issue of the month ?
Who would decide what is and isn’t offensive then ?
In this case it was the judiciary, seems like a fairly reasonable arbiter
INRAT
As many others I suspect. Freedom of speech is about people saying things you dont like. I may or may not be offended but I dont think it is a criminal matter. If people make crude remarks/jokes then feel free to ignore. You dont have a right not to be offended.
In this case it was the judiciary, seems like a fairly reasonable [s]arbiter[/s] [b]banter[/b]
FTFY
Freedom of speech is about people saying things you dont like.
That's great, if you're American. We don't have freedom of speech in this country. Few countries do.
Bad dog!
Looking at the youtube like/dislike ratio you really have to wonder about the small number of offended. Its like its their occupation, they could almost be professional at it.
I don't know the full context.
It's clearly offensive, but I don't think that should be illegal. A lot of humour is offensive.
The fact that he thought it was appropriate to meet with the EDL guy I think might be telling of his true feelings on the matter. But on the other hand, prosecuting for this will feed the "free speech is only for the lefty minorities" bullshit that EDL, Britain First etc. keep coming out with.
Buuut then again, if this guy is a massive racist/anti semetic, and does a video repeatedly saying "gas the jews" and posts it on youtube, and perhaps in the context of other incidents where the Police have interacted with the guy, it might be justified.
If it is just a case of the joke (which is in poor taste) and the fact he's making money out of it, are we going to see Frankie Boyle prosecuted? He's made a lot of jokes in incredibly poor taste, most of which I find amusing, but many find only offensive. And some suggestive of illegal acts.
It's not difficult Freedom of speech is not an absolute right in the UK, conditions on it are detailed in ECHR. Much as the libertards may get in a huff, making offensive communications is illegal in the UK and matey boy has been tried and convicted by an independent judiciary who said "It is self-evident that the material is antisemitic."
That’s great, if you’re American. We don’t have freedom of speech in this country. Few countries do.
All countries have "limitations" on free speech, your point seems a red herring.
All countries have “limitations” on free speech, your point seems a red herring.
Having the limitation set at whether offence is taken is such that<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;"> an American wouldn't recognise its as free speech, and many people do seem to talk about freedom of speech in American terms. </span>
if it IS just a prank on his girlfriend, why does he then feel compelled to film & broadcast it to the world, giggling like a naughty schoolboy
Cos that's how many people roll these days - 24 hour rolling You've Been Framed. Likelikelikelikelike.
I haven't watched the video or read any press articles about it so can't be offended and might well be wrong.
But, it does seem a bit weird to me that someone wants to play a prank on his girlfriend by teaching her dog to do something on a particular command, and then chooses that particular symbol and that particular command? Why not teach the dog to shit on the carpet whenever someone says 'strawberry milkshake'.
I don't see this as being a freedom of speech 'honest i'm joking' thing, just a blatantly being racist for racist sake thing, which is usually done to incite hatred, which I think is illegal.
But, it does seem a bit weird to me that someone wants to play a prank on his girlfriend by teaching her dog to do something on a particular command, and then chooses that particular symbol and that particular command? Why not teach the dog to shit on the carpet whenever someone says ‘strawberry milkshake’.
You might want to watch the video then. For context. The dog was the cutest thing in the world that his girlfriend loved. He turned it into a Nazi, the most repellent thing he could think of. That's the joke.
I don't think there was any danger of the dog actually gassing any jews.
Much as the libertards
Are you trolling or are you unaware of your hypocrisy?
Potentially imprisoning this man for a joke, is a joke. It sets a very dangerous precedent.
Frankie Boyle needs to watch his back, Jerry Sadowitz should probably go into hiding (I believe his people have form 😉 ).
You might want to watch the video then. For context. The dog was the cutest thing in the world that his girlfriend loved. He turned it into a Nazi, the most repellent thing he could think of. That’s the joke.
Sounds hilarious....
Sounds hilarious….
If that's the benchmark then Miranda Hart needs to join Frankie Boyle in hiding.
its interesting to note which contributors seems most intent on freedom of speech. We should start a thread on Jihadi free speech and campaigns for sharia law to see their true feelings on free speech
Free speech is not without limits [ nor is it in america ]and a court has ruled it offensive.
I have not seen the video but its bad taste and meeting with the EDL suggests he is off the far right and might just like that sort of thing rather than it just be a joke.
I have not seen the video but...
I'm amazed you're not fully behind him if you think he's an antisemite.
Only a complete moron would be amazed that i am not supporting a racist being racist
its interesting to note which contributors seems most intent on freedom of speech. We should start a thread on Jihadi free speech and campaigns for sharia law to see their true feelings on free speech
Committing violence, and inciting people to commit violent acts are real crimes with real victims. I'm not sure campaigning for a law based on a religion that the vast majority of the population don't follow is ever going to get legs.
You should watch the video, and subsequent videos where he explains aspects of the prosecution.
This was a show trial from the start.
Small point of order; Robinson left the EDL in 2013.
I don’t think there was any danger of the dog actually gassing any jews.
If there was then the dog would be in court with an attempted genocide charge. That is not what is happening here...
I have not seen the video but its bad taste and meeting with the EDL suggests he is off the far right and might just like that sort of thing rather than it just be a joke.
Why even comment and form an opinion of something you haven't even seen? You're just confirming your professionally offended persona. You'd need to be a complete moron to jump into a topic like this and make assertions about something you admit to not even having seen.
It's this kind of bullshit that propels the likes of the EDL. It gives them just enough room to wiggle their way into a situation to gain some publicity off the back of it.
You should watch the ...subsequent videos where he explains aspects of the prosecution.
Does he explain the aspect where the independent judiciary described the material he communicated as self evidently anti-Semitic?
The same independent judiciary who never get anything wrong?
independent judiciary
Nice sound bite.
What you actually mean is one person.
You do seem to be moving away from the fact that a man is facing gaol time for telling a ****ing joke.
The same independent judiciary who never get anything wrong?
For reference, this from the same judiciary individual,
https://www.cumbernauld-news.co.uk/news/crime/paedophile-shearer-spared-jail-time-1-4597351
Nice sound bite.
What you actually mean is one person.
I think you will find its a statement of fact, yes one person, independent of the PF who will also have assessed the evidence and decided it met the threshold for prosecution.
CF I've knicked people with far larger and worse hauls; Dave the man with the massive collection of baby rape photos and vids that made me throw up, who've got non-custodials. That press report doesn't have the classification of the images so it's not possible to say if the sentencing guidelines have been ignored but it sounds as though the sentence is in line with sentence guidelines so a bit of a non-point
Lets hope the appeal proves him wrong.
Committing violence, and inciting people to commit violent acts are real crimes with real victims.
true and the gassing of the jews was a holocaust . Whats your point?
Has anybody actually considered the possibility that the Pug might just be a massive racist Nazi bastard?
true and the gassing of the jews was a holocaust . Whats your point?
That making a joke does not cause violence, does not incite others to cause violence and does not murder six million Jews.
Watched the videos yet, or are we just exercising one's right to be a semi-professional argumentalist?
Has anybody actually considered the possibility that the Pug might just be a massive racist Nazi bastard?
See new evidence here:
😀
Furred Reich, innit?
are we just exercising one’s right to be a semi-professional argumentalist?
I assumed we were just having a discussion but i did appreciate the irony in you typing that. Cheers for the laugh.
Freedom of speech is about people saying things you dont like
Maybe that's where the confusion lies? People thinking that they must be offensive otherwise they're wasting their freedom of speech?
😀 bravo Flashy. That’s made my evening.