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You comfy middle class folk will bemoan your increased driving costs.
Interesting. Are you not "comfy middle class"?
You comfy middle class folk will bemoan your increased driving costs.
Interesting. Are you not "comfy middle class"?
very much so. but I know driving is far too cheap and that public transport which I use a lot is a much greener option. I don't own a car
ta Doris5000
the poorest have very limited access to cars.
I'm not talking about the poorest, I'm talking about working people, or the working class if you like. Working class does not equal poor. You should know this being a nurse, which is a classic working class job, along with many others where people can afford cars but cannot be described as comfortably off. These people (on the whole) need cars, and they form an enormous voting cohort which is the primary focus of most political parties who seek power. Taking people's cars away from them is a guaranteed strategy for achieving political irrelevance.
nurses are middleclass
again with the ignorance about the realities of transport and what green policies are. go read the links above from Doris5000
Like watching a clown run through a minefield
Only if the clown is bitterly stabbing itself as it runs whilst shouting at bystanders how evil they are
Hang on! Here comes a third faction! I can't keep up, it's like a whole year of left wing infighting condensed into 24 hours.
https://leftfootforward.org/2025/09/a-group-called-our-party-is-trying-to-take-over-your-party/
Some people need to brush up on their history and then they might realise that every successful societal upheaval which has resulted in an effective change of the existing status quo has had an extremely chaotic backstory.
The political vacuum in which this current drama is playing out in isn't going to just magically disappear. However things pan out the political vacuum on the left of the UK political spectrum will either continue to exist or will be filled.
Like watching a clown run through a minefield
A clown would probably do better than average in a minefield. The giant shoes would spread out their body weight so there would be less downward pressure per square inch and they'd be less likely to set off the mines.
You comfy middle class folk will bemoan your increased driving costs.
Interesting. Are you not "comfy middle class"?
very much so. but I know driving is far too cheap and that public transport which I use a lot is a much greener option. I don't own a car
Don't you live in a city centre? Some of the poorest live in rural areas, rural deprevation, and they have to have car.
Some of the poorest live in rural areas, rural deprevation, and they have to have car.
So let me get this straight - you're saying that if there was better and more affordable public transport, poor people in rural areas might be less dependent on owning a car, and could save money while also saving the environment? I like it!
A group called ‘Our Party’ is trying to take over ‘Your Party’
of course they are. Give it another week and there will be another faction called ‘Their Party’ trying to take over ‘Our Party’, who have taken legal action against ‘Your Party’
And they wonder why everyone sane in the Labour Party just despaired when Magic Grandad accidentally found himself in the top job, or frankly anywhere outside Islington.
Sixth form placard wavers. Clowns, the lot of them.
He’s now returned to his natural state, how he spent his entire ‘career’, such as it is.
And as for those who had any belief in him, then or now….
You comfy middle class folk will bemoan your increased driving costs.
Interesting. Are you not "comfy middle class"?
very much so. but I know driving is far too cheap and that public transport which I use a lot is a much greener option. I don't own a car
Don't you live in a city centre? Some of the poorest live in rural areas, rural deprevation, and they have to have car.
poorest folk do not have access to cars rural or urban
And they wonder why everyone sane in the Labour Party
Absolutely. It's the sensible folk in the PLP making it the towering success we see today.
You comfy middle class folk will bemoan your increased driving costs. The poorest get the benefit of more accessible services and easier and cheaper local travel
Don’t forget us 1 bedroom/social housing disability benefit scroungers who live in very rural/isolated areas with zero public transport that is accessible, not everyone lives in towns/cities.
What do we want…………..we want cheap Chinese electric cars that are charged by solar on our roofs, we also want free weed and munchies
(I’m just being argumentative 😏 )
Well in my Green utopia somafunk you would have a warm easily heated home, access to community owned transport and services and facilities local to you.
less need to move you around and when that movement is needed a cheaper more convenient and less polluting way to move
10 000 new members for the greens
Well in my Green utopia somafunk you would have a warm easily heated home, access to community owned transport and services and facilities local to you.
less need to move you around and when that movement is needed a cheaper more convenient and less polluting way to move
you almost had me but no mention of free weed and unlimited munchies so i’m out 😆
Forgot to add this, choose your target
https://twitter.com/boweschay/status/1968813634710065644?s=46&t=qvPR6lBfBXtAWZ-6beFWyA
poorest folk do not have access to cars rural or urban
The data provided by Doris I think says 6 in 10 of the poorest 5th have access to a car.
I need to go take a look at what the greens plans currently are for public transportation, it's something I can only see being meaningful if improvements are made to quality, speed, reliability and depth of network mainly once away from travelling to and from urban centres and very major sites such as universities etc in advance of trying to shift people out of cars.
But… people are already “out of cars”. Especially poor people. If it became more normal for people with a good income, or wealth, to also be “out of cars”, then there would be increased political pressure and the money of those better off people bearing down on public transport availability and quality. In areas where bus routes and train services have been cut, it is because not enough people were using them. Especially people with political capital (and actual capital).
But… people are already “out of cars”. Especially poor people.
Apparently 6 in 10 of the poorest 5th are "in" cars. And they will almost certainly be the hardest hit in moving people further "out" of cars. As they're pretty much always the hardest hit with anything.
If it became more normal for people
Well, yes. But pointing that out isn't the trick is it, it's getting to that point.
Which is why I'm needing to take a fresh look at what the Greens are actually up to on this topic.
community owned transport
Will that just be a recipe for finding that the last member of the "community" left the people carrier full of discarded nappies and sick, and the tank half full of petrol instead of diesel?
Apparently 6 in 10 of the poorest 5th are "in" cars.
Have access to a car. Family of four, all have access to a car, one car, four jobs, four commutes… it’s not just carless households that are dependent on public transport. Anyway, while the better off, with their multicar households, can avoid public transport, there is a ceiling on how much public transport will improve. Political decisions to get people “out of cars” needs to be included alongside improving public transport provision, just doing the second will always have its limits.
[ add in cycling space provision along aside public transport above, obvs ]
You need to design a public transport system that everyone wants to use and buys into, as we had in Switzerland. Rarely needed a car there and when you did we could use the ubiquitous car sharing scheme.
Unfortunately like Ireland it's very hard to get people out of their cars.
Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, at the risk of being on topic for the thread, Zarah Sultana has said that she is going to be suing all the people who said naughty things about her over the last few days.
I have to hand it to her: if you wanted to burn through as much time and money as possible, then defamation proceedings over social media statements in the middle of a political spat is probably the second best way to do it (after buying a boat or Land Rover, obviously). Let's all instruct defamation lawyers at £xxx an hour!
Have access to a car. Family of four, all have access to a car, one car, four jobs, four commutes… it’s not just carless households
That's a very specific scenario I'm going to assume you've concocted to make a point. It's more likely that the family of four is two adults, one commuting by car, one by public transport, with two children not old enough to drive.
Not that any of that matters, especially as it's all just "let's make up scenarios". As what counts is, can you convince them to swap that car for total reliance on public transport. And not just that income bracket...but all of them.
Political decisions to get people “out of cars” needs to be included alongside improving public transport provision, just doing the second will always have its limits.
I agree. But I also believe the second has to be in place for the first to work.
Personally, and admittedly from a position of ignorance on the subject. I'd make local public transportation free at the point of use, issue travel cards, with the operators paid based on those travel cards journeys and the payments made through general taxation. Then as/if people start to move onto "free" public transportation the network and capacity gets scaled up.
You need to design a public transport system that everyone wants to use and buys into, as we had in Switzerland
Or London. Our kid lives in central London and has never had a car as she says it’d be a liability and she doesn’t need one as the public transport is so good. Her train journey ooop north to see us takes under 2 hours.
Things are improving around Manchester now that Andy Burnham has been able to take back control of the bus services, London style, but it’s still not actually possible for me to use public transport for my ten mile commute to work. Well…. without huge detours and multiple changes.
Getting into Manchester city centre is now pretty easy, but getting from one part of Greater Manchester to another can be an absolute nightmare, or in a lot of cases simply not realistically possible.
For a huge, densely-populated urban conurbation this is absolutely crazy, but it’s the legacy of decades of under - or frankly nonexistent - investment and private providers only interested in cherrypicking the most profitable routes.
It’s going to be a big job to fix it, but at least there’s now a will to do so.
Meanwhile, at the risk of being on topic for the thread, Zarah Sultana has said that she is going to be suing all the people who said naughty things about her over the last few days.
And let’s be honest, other than providing us all with a bit of amusement, in a “have you seen what those mad lefties are up to now?” way, it’s completely pointless.
Nobody cares. It’s literally two bald men fighting over a comb
Or London
Yes but the Swiss system is rural and urban.
I know. I was agreeing and saying that London shows that this country is quite capable of doing it when it wants to. Where there’s a will and proper investment.
Manchester is now trying to replicate that and it’s a bold long-term ambition. There’s a long way to go. As I said, I live ten miles away from where I work and it isn’t realistically possible for me to use public transport, so like so many others I have no option but to use the living hell that is the M60.
I could ride, I suppose, but the roads I’d have to navigate would be very far from enjoyable and to be honest, potentially life-threatening. I’m sure the infrastructure for cycling in Switzerland is considerably better too.
nurses are middleclass
Only if they’re married to doctors 😀
Seriously I know a few nurses and they definitely don’t regard themselves as middle class. Skilled working class most definitely, but not middle class. Seems like everyone wants to be middle class these days!
He’s now returned to his natural state
As have you. Sigh.
Oh come on, DrJ. Even you've got to admit that this is funny. In fact, its bloody hilarious at a time where there isn't that much to laugh about!
Its like they actually watched the Life of Brian and took it as a blueprint and thought "how can we go about this where we tick every single 'loony' lefty cliche in the book?"
I mean, its less than 2 months since they started this supposed new party. There's only two of them yet they fell out and started publicly bickering on day one, even screwing up the 'launch' (is it a launch?/isn't it?). Since then theres been the usual 'piss up in a brewery' activity and here we are, literally weeks later, with them taking legal action against each other.
You couldn't make it up. Actually... Monty Python already did 🤣
Astonishing the amazing mess Labour have made in government but we're queuing up to giggle at pretty much nothing.
A bit of self-reflection for the people that thought they were pushing against the right only to embed it and then whilst doing that employ 'the mandy.'
This would be 10 x funnier than the Corbyn situation if they weren't in ****ing government.
16% percent you say?
It's really perplexing when then good old confused 'progressive' right-wing centrists that have made a mess of everything they touch are now back in the have a go at the 'lefty' camp. I suppose they've had enough of being mocked for their appalling judgment.
Well done in everything you have achieved so far.
Seriously I know a few nurses and they definitely don’t regard themselves as middle class. Skilled working class most definitely, but not middle class
That’s the ones who can actually get a job.
nurses are middleclass
Only if they’re married to doctors 😀
Seriously I know a few nurses and they definitely don’t regard themselves as middle class. Skilled working class most definitely, but not middle class. Seems like everyone wants to be middle class these days!
degree qualified paid above average salary. Salaried. middle class. go read up.
people love to claim working class when they are not
Astonishing the amazing mess Labour have made in government but we're queuing up to giggle at pretty much nothing.
This thread is about YourParty, there's an entire thread dedicated to criticizing the shambles of the current government masquerading as a Labour party. And I'm not seeing much of a queue for giggles beyond a couple of posters. I suspect there's more who feel as I do, exasperated at an entire life spent waiting for the left to get into a position to effect positive change, only to watch them fail year after year.
I genuinely hope they get their sh*t together, I'm just too cynical after decades of watching them f*ck it up to believe they will.
I'm probably going to be forced to vote SNP or Labour anyway, whichever looks most likely to keep Reform out of my constituency.
Astonishing the amazing mess Labour have made in government but we're queuing up to giggle at pretty much nothing.
A radical suggestion here: why don't we stop justifying Corbyn's failures with Starmer's and vice versa? They each have to stand on their own record; one is not responsible for the other's ****ups or (hypothetically) breakthroughs. Whataboutery is a total waste of time. There is a whole thread about Starmer's government; this one is about Your Party. Don't complain that people are discussing Your Party.on it!
Oh come on, DrJ. Even you've got to admit that this is funny. In fact, its bloody hilarious at a time where there isn't that much to laugh about!
Sure it’s funny. What’s not funny is the endless stream of Monty Python memes.
I wonder what Zara Sultana's constituants are making of this ongoing farce? She is meant to be representing their interests after all, but I'm persuming none of them voted for this sort of nonsense?
It's kinda funny, I mean there's only two of them, how is it even possible to have a public spat, even if they are at logerheads over [insert thing]?
Imagine the chaos and dissagreement when they have more than two candidates, it will be like, dare I say... the labour party when he was still in it? 🤣
It's kinda funny, I mean there's only two of them, how is it even possible to have a public spat, even if they are at logerheads over [insert thing]?
Imagine the chaos and dissagreement when they have more than two candidates, it will be like, dare I say... the labour party when he was still in it?
It illustrates very well the quality of the two people involved, or should I say lack of quality.
then they might realise that every successful societal upheaval which has resulted in an effective change of the existing status quo has had an extremely chaotic backstory.
I think your crystal ball's due a service
then they might realise that every successful societal upheaval which has resulted in an effective change of the existing status quo has had an extremely chaotic backstory.
Indeed. Who can forget Nelson Mandellas famous legal action about the ANC's memership portal direct debit mandate?
people love to claim working class when they are not
So working class people can’t be educated and well paid? If I didn’t know better I’d be calling snobbery. You don’t suddenly become middle class when you graduate from uni or get a slightly above average paid job.
I don't see why not. As we know from Kemi, despite a life of privilege, you immediately become working class if you get a job in McDonalds, so surely the reverse applies?
then they might realise that every successful societal upheaval which has resulted in an effective change of the existing status quo has had an extremely chaotic backstory.
Indeed. Who can forget Nelson Mandellas famous legal action about the ANC's memership portal direct debit mandate?
Well you have obviously forgotten how the Labour Party was founded, although in all likelihood you probably never knew. It was total chaos consisting of a multitude of warring factions, the Labour Party didn't even have a leader in the early years despite getting two MPs elected!
Yes every grassroot movement which has successfully challenged the status quo and brought about change, from the French Revolution to the foundation of the Labour Party, has been racked by division and internal strife.
That of course includes the ANC which you bizarrely brought up. Maybe focus more on learning history and perhaps less on ill-informed sarcastic remarks? 💡
I would be deeply suspicious of a mass grassroot movement which was founded in a slick trouble-free operation with no internal strife. It would suggest the hand of the establishment and that powerful players were behind the project.
By definition a grassroot movement is the mass involvement of ordinary people. Ordinary people with very strong views and convictions but not all with the same identical opinions. As the movement becomes established, and its aims, priorities, and structures, are agreed, then the discipline associated with accepting the democratic will within an organisation comes to the forefront.
Personally I welcome if it is true that 10,000 of the 750,000 who have expressed an interest have now joined the Greens because they want a party that doesn't engage in debate and self-criticism as it is being established, I can't see them being an asset to the project.
Britain needs a party whose aims, priorities, and structures, are openly debated without fear, not some sort of political cult.
I see my milk has gone off
Britain needs a party whose aims, priorities, and structures, are openly debated without fear, not some sort of political cult.
Well, best look elsewhere then.
It would suggest the hand of the establishment and that powerful players were behind the project.
you can't spell competence without conspiracy
Britain needs a party whose aims, priorities, and structures, are openly debated without fear, not some sort of political cult.
Well, best look elsewhere then.
The accepted definition of a cult is a project which is led by a charismatic and authoritarian leader, you can see that in this particular project?
Obviously we can dismiss Jeremy Corbyn on both those counts, and he hasn't even declared that he wants to be leader yet. Zahra Sultana probably fulfills the charismatic requirement to at least a small degree but I have seen no evidence that should she become leader she would lead with authoritarian iron grip.
The obvious candidate for that title would appear to be the Labour Party despite the fact that Sir Keir Starmer clearly only satisfies one of those two requirements.
Indeed I have heard the Labour Party being described as the cult of the personality but without a personality. Which does sound very apt.
Britain needs a party whose aims, priorities, and structures, are openly debated without fear, not some sort of political cult.
I can agree with that
Indeed I have heard the Labour Party being described as the cult of the personality but without a personality. Which does sound very apt.
And that 🙂
This thread has a sense of deja vu that I can't put my finger on, mainly because on my phone the UI has turned into notepad.
Well you have obviously forgotten how the Labour Party was founded, although in all likelihood you probably never knewW
What did you do during the war grandad?
Well you have obviously forgotten how the Labour Party was founded, although in all likelihood you probably never knewW
What did you do during the war grandad?
How is that relevant to you not understanding how the Labour Party was formed and the huge internal strife which invariably occur when mass grassroot movements that challenge the status quo come together?
I appreciate that this thread is a useful vehicle for you to channel your bountiful political energy into as the one about the UK government is clearly a deep embarrassment to you, as the clown in charge of the UK government staggers from one disaster of his own making to the next one, but how about some sort of vague coherence?
Wasn't the Labour Party founded 125 years ago when Corbyn was a 6th former?
huge internal strife which invariably occur when mass grassroot movements that challenge the status quo come together?
Jeremy Corbyn and Zara Sultana failing to start a political party, then ending up taking legal action against each other is hardly ‘huge internal strife which invariably occur when mass grassroot movements that challenge the status quo come together’, is it?
It’s an absolutely laughable farce! An exercise in competitive, self-indulgent, middle class virtue-signalling. And it turns out that those around the beardy messiah are a bunch of sexist misogynists. Well who’d have thunk it?
Obviously we can dismiss Jeremy Corbyn on both those counts
Corbyn has an ego the size of a bus, that should be obvious to anyone. It's why this project is mired in shit, he's had a taste of leadership, people chanting his name at Glastonbury and facing the prospect of returning to the backbenches where he'll be all but ignored has launched the "Keep Corbyn relevant' party, and is now pissed off because someone other than him might become the face of socialism in this country. Typical ****ing Boomer, just retire, and let other people have a go. All I hope for now is that at some point he'll realise that he does more harm to the socialist movement than the bloody Daily Mail and **** off to his kitchen for good to make jam.
Corbyn has an ego the size of a bus... facing the prospect of returning to the backbenches where he'll be all but ignored has launched the "Keep Corbyn relevant' party
This is absolute cobblers. If he were such a egoist, he would have formed the party 5 years ago when he was sent to the backbenches. Instead, it's the opposite - he's been fluffing around with seven different initiatives and coalitions, and he's so keen on committees and collective decision making that Sultana lost her patience and proclaimed the party in an effort to stop him dithering.
I'm a Corbyn critic but the problem is not his ego.
Jeremy Corbyn and Zara Sultana failing to start a political party
Where is the evidence that they are failing to establish a new political party? With 750,000 expressing an interest it more than likely a new political party will be launched.
The idea that a newly established mass grassroots movement involving hundreds of thousands of individuals can be established in a totally disciplined way without any internal strife is frankly absurd.
When in history has that ever happened? You yourself used the example of the ANC in attempt to deploy your usual sarcastic ridicule tactic and yet the ANC has been racked by massive internal conflict and divisions from the moment of its inception. That hasn't stopped the ANC from achieving considerable success though.
Obviously no one involved in the new movement wants this internal strife and divisions and everything should be done to overcome them but they are an inevitable consequence of a mass movement establishing itself, as history has taught us.
IMO it would stink to high heaven is the whole process of establishing a new political party occured without a hint of dissent, as you seem to think it should, or at least claim you think it should.
On Wednesday there will be a meeting locally to discuss the situation, I can guarantee that it won't be suitable for anyone who likes the warm reassurance of living in an echo chamber.
Obviously we can dismiss Jeremy Corbyn on both those counts
Corbyn has an ego the size of a bus, that should be obvious to anyone.
Who mentioned anything about egos?
I said that the widely accepted definition of a "cult" was a project led by a charismatic and authoritarian leader, and that Jeremy Corbyn clearly fails on both those counts.
Do you dispute any of that?
It's alright, everyone! Sultana's dropping the legal action against the people who said defamatory things against her.
Threatened legal action at 11pm on a Friday morning, withdraws it on Sunday night. 🤔 I've had weekends like that... 🤔🤔🤔
Where is the evidence that they are failing to establish a new political party
Eh? You know they’re presently taking legal action against each other, right? Or maybe they now aren’t? Piss ups? Breweries?
And their new ‘party’ doesn’t even have a name as they can’t decide whether they’re the people’s Front of Judea or the Popular Peoples Front of Judea?
On Wednesday there will be a meeting locally to discuss the situation, I can guarantee that it won't be suitable for anyone who likes the warm reassurance of living in an echo chamber.
Something for everyone to look forward to…
Splitters.
Eh? You know they’re presently taking legal action against each other, right?
Yes. At least they were.
Where is your evidence that they are failing to establish a political party?
Threatened legal action at 11pm on a Friday morning, withdraws it on Sunday night. 🤔 I've had weekends like that... 🤔🤔🤔
It won't be because she suddenly changed her mind after thinking about it. It's known that some political heavyweights were getting on the case with the intention of banging heads together. Zahra Sultana will have been under intense pressure over the weekend. And quite right too.
And in case anyone thinks that taking legal action against your opponents within a political party is the sign of a non-functioning party that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery :
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3ggr3pg4ljo
"The action is estimated to have cost the party millions of pounds, which critics said could otherwise have been spent on the general election campaign."
Muppets.
I can guarantee that it won't be suitable for anyone who likes the warm reassurance of living in an echo chamber.
It'll be the same as every other meeting of these folks I've ever been to, It'll be rousing condemnation of which ever current thing they can't effect or do anything about; the plight of striking prune pickers of Panama, or the police brutality shown to the hose clampers of Caracas - Brothers, and then it'll endless disagreements about section 3 subsection D of the handbook where there's a comma, and the word 'but...' (or in this case a plan to charge membership) Chairs will be thrown, accusations of who stood closest to the grave of a departed venerated member, and a number not limited to one will storm out.
Corbyn is the still living corpse of 80's left wing thought, for him it'll be like a warm blanket. Of course it'll be a echo-chamber.
It's known that some political heavyweights were getting on the case with the intention of banging heads together
Richard Burgon?
Weird double post
Richard Burgon
Richard Burgon vehemently denies pressuring Zarah Sultana to drop the litigation. Unless you've got him recorded on video as doing it, in which case maybe he did.
I suspect Sultana simply found out how much defamation lawyers cost.
Of course it'll be a echo-chamber.
I know what it will be like, I went to the first meeting about a month ago. Do you think that any meeting I attend everyone is in agreement 😉
It certainly won't be an echo chamber.
the plight of striking prune pickers of Panama
Are you trying outdo binners with the inane comments of contempt?
Palestine will almost certainly come up because not only is there a genocide currently going on there, which is having political/diplomatic consequences for the UK government, but also because it is linked to the growth of the far-right in the United States, across Europe, and of course now the UK, and this global far-right development poses a serious threat to us all.
It certainly won't be an echo chamber.
No it'll be a full on row about which non consequential hill they are going to die on next.
Palestine will almost certainly come up
It's obviously a very serious issue, and complex, but I'm not sure there's a clear link between what the genocidal Israeli regime is doing and the rise of the right wing across the western world. Important as Gaza is on the world stage it's not really the sort of thing that a new UK party should be spending a lot of time on if they want to quickly grab the attention of enough UK voters to gain traction. I'm pretty sure the IDF killing civilians isn't emboldening people in the UK to hang flags from lamposts.
Are you trying outdo binners with the inane comments of contempt?
I'm contemptuous because the very last people in any list of the far left MPs that they want to help are the folks they're literally paid to; working folks in their own constituencies The statement on their own website tells everyone what their priorities are: Corporations, re-nationalisation and Palestine. All those things are worthy for sure, but they're all meaningless to someone struggling in min wage or zero hours. and It's why MPs like Corbyn are treated with suspicion by everyday people.
what people want to hear is how their lives are going to be made better, how Your Party are going to make sure the local schools are good, that the police will come when you call them, that you can get a GP appt. What they don't want to hear that other people have it worse than they do ( despite the fact that's objectively true)
There's nothing for people to vote for here, there's just meaningless vacuous political statements. It's just virtue signal bingo, the only thing the far left are good for.
No it'll be a full on row about which non consequential hill they are going to die on next.
Well if it is inconsequential you will be hugely relieved when the new party does extremely badly in next year's local elections and wins no seats at all in the next general election.
Or alternatively very disappointed if that prophecy isn't fulfilled.
It's obviously a very serious issue, and complex, but I'm not sure there's a clear link between what the genocidal Israeli regime is doing and the rise of the right wing across the western world.
Donald Trump, Nigel Farage, Tommy Robinson, and Geert Wilders, to name just a few far-right neo-fascist politicians, very strongly support Israel and its brutal genocide in Gaza.
And for very good reasons.......it feeds the islamophobia which is currently galvanising the far-right across the western world. Islamophobia is the vehicle which the far-right uses today in its quest for power, nearly a hundred years ago it was anti-jewish hatred.
It is no accident that the Palestinian flag was ripped up on the stage during a rally of over a hundred thousand far-right supporters in London a few days ago. They know the significance of Palestine.
Therefore Palestine's struggle is our struggle, if you are opposed to the far-right, bigotry, and fascism.....if that is the case ignore the issue at your peril.
Plus apartheid is classified as a crime against humanity tolerating its existence strongly undermines the rule of international law something which everyone should be concerned about.
"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without freedom of the Palestinians"
- Nelson Mandela
what people want to hear is how their lives are going to be made better
Is that what voters want to hear? Someone should tell Sir Keir Starmer......support for Labour under him has slumped to half of what it was under Corbyn.
People are fed with claims by Labour that "no hope is better than false hope". They want to hear politicians offering hope.
The idea that hope can't be on the agenda is ridiculous.
what people want to hear is how their lives are going to be made better
Me and you both.