[Closed] You're Fatist!

nowt wrong with gingers but fatties I have no sympathy for (if there's no genuine medical reason for it).

nowt wrong with gingers but fatties I have no sympathy for (if there's no genuine medical reason for it).

You think this is because you used to be one, and did something about it? Or reckon you would have that outlook regardless?

obesity is more of a problem for the poor. Because junk food is cheap, and fruit and vegetables and healthy foods are less cheap

Have you been to Macky-Ds lately?! T'aint cheap. Veggie meals are , as always, a shit-load cheaper to prepare than meat dishes.

I can think of one person I know who takes some heavy anti-psychotic medication. It makes her exhausted and sleepy, her gait is affected so she finds moving around less easy, and it makes her constantly crave food every waking moment. And, just for a split second, eating takes away some of her troubles. And yet I read above that actually, none of those factors are relevant and all she needs to do is eat less and move around more.
Although to be to the people who said that, it's still true.

........Prejudiced arseholes

If she did eat less and move around more, it would work.

Just that her condition inhibits her from doing those things.

It's not that theory isn't true, it's just that not everyone has the same chance of doing it.

I wonder how many of the eat less/do more crowd are high academic achievers and/or high earners?

Wish i had time to read all these posts but i dont as im on nightshift and im just about to knock off.

My view is that i am def a fatist. Aside from the people with genuine medical issues i think fat people are disgusting. They are greedy selfish people who drain society. Im paying tax for all these fat people to have heart surgery and bits of their body looked at when all they had to do was stop eating that second pizza and chips, leave of the cans of coke and mars bars alone and just get out and go for a bloody walk once and a while.

I also work offshore and some of these fat individuals might impede me getting out a helicopter window should my chopper ever go down.

No disrespect meant with this next comment at all but all of the 4 people who lost their lives on the chopper that went down off of Shetland were classified as clinically obese. Things might have been different for them if this was not the case so there is a very real safety issue here which affect me greatly.

Haggis, can you answer my question? What is your level of academic achievement?

You know what we [i]could[/i] do...?

We could herd all the fat folk in to ghettos.
Then on to trains.
Then set up special camps &....

Oh hang on...

Yes, I'm chubby & ginger.
Imagine my life.
Imagine if I climbed aboard haggis's helicopter... 🙂

My view is that i am def a fatist. Aside from the people with genuine medical issues i think fat people are disgusting. They are greedy selfish people who drain society. Im paying tax for all these fat people to have heart surgery and bits of their body looked at when all they had to do was stop eating that second pizza and chips, leave of the cans of coke and mars bars alone and just get out and go for a bloody walk once and a while.

I also work offshore and some of these fat individuals might impede me getting out a helicopter window should my chopper ever go down.

Whilst you in contrast are a kind selfless and generous human being - I can tell from your post, and your apparent preoccupation with saving your own life should the need ever arise.

What 'offshore' work do you do btw ? Presumably with your level of empathy you work in one of the caring professions ?

Just out of interest, how would the people who don't like 'Eat less, move more' get fatter if they had to?

I'd be eating more and moving less.

All the individual anecdotes and the possible illnesses quoted earlier don't account for the society wide increase in obesity that gets reported, and it is a society wide problem in more ways than one. In a nutshell we, as a society, eat more than we used to and move a whole lot less than we used to, and we are fatter than we used to be. I think there's a connection.

What 'offshore' work do you do btw ? Presumably with your level of empathy you work in one of the caring professions ?

In a nutshell we, as a society, eat more than we used to and move a whole lot less than we used to, and we are fatter than we used to be. I think there's a connection.

I thought the increase in obesity was more connected with the fact that we are now eating different food to what we were a few decades ago, rather than an increase in quantity of food and less physical activity? Aren't we now running and cycling more than before?

Although applying haggis1978's analysis of the situation it's presumably because as a nation we have become more "greedy" and "selfish".

Oh how I hark back to the good ol' days.

You think this is because you used to be one, and did something about it? Or reckon you would have that outlook regardless?

It's hard to say I think because I was a completely different person back then really. I definitely hated myself for being that way though and was disgusted with it, hence why I said enough was enough.

[i]and your apparent preoccupation with saving your own life should the need ever arise.[/i]

Can't save anyone else's life if you're dead.

"Put on your own face mask, before helping some-one else"...Isn't that what every airline safety brief says?

Smoking. I wouldn't be surprised if the decline in smoking had an influence in the rise in obesity.

I'm overweight due to a period of successive injury and eating at levels above my calorific outgoings while working long hours, not massively but I could lose a couple of stone and be much happier and less injured. It's not nice to be insulted (hasn't happened yet!) But at the same time I'd hate a world where there was no pressure to remain fit and slim as I would probably succumb to food pretty quick. I don't think stick thin is healthy either, for the record, but I think people should be encouraged to remain within sensible bounds and our societal role models should include athletes and not stick thin mofels , and being overweight should not be seen as acceptable.

And in a world of internet, tv, and countless cook books for £1 on the market, I don't understand how anyone could claim education is to blame for people not knowing how to combine basic healthy ingredients to make a nice meal. Lack of interest in eating healthily is the cause, and lack of self control. Watch the scales-weight going up? Do more or eat less calorie dense food to fill you up. I've suffered from it and I'm educated and more than capable of making healthy meals, I just couldn't be bothered after a long day at work. I'm paying for that (and years of healthy overactivity knackering joints) now (as are all you guys due to my NHS knee surgery and ongoing back issues, sorry!).

There's a distinct lack of willing for people to accept their own responsibility for their position, and goodie two shoes folk jump on the it's not their fault bandwagon and exacerbate the problem. I'm not saying insult fat people (and I'd have words if anyone said something like the original post), but don't provide excuses for me. I have !medical reasons for not burning enough calories through exercise, I should have cut down my intake and eaten more healthily but I was lazy and succumbed to the pleasures of calorie dense foods. Please encourage me to get fitter, don't shield me from my stupidity.

I disagree. Why is the choice to be fat not a valid one for today's society?
Where does it say, being the healthiest weight you can be is the only weight that is correct?

Any bollox that says you're a burden on society is pretty flimsy against all the other larger inequities in life.

You may live longer if you live a more healthy lifestyle but obviously we all do things for pleasure that means we possibly won't.

Why is the choice to be an alcoholic not a valid one then? Or a drug addict? It's exactly the same argument, assuming you can finance your problem and you're not harming anyone else then why is it not a valid choice? Because it's not healthy, not sensible and not productive for society as a whole. sur , once you're in any of them it may be less possible to see a way out, but the choice was there to start with if any responsibility at all is accepted by the person. That's why I said it shouldn't be demonised, but being in a healthy range should be actively encouraged.

No matter what they say to your face, overweight people are not happy being overweight (at least not the ones I've spoken to, or myself, and it has little to do with what others say) and there problems that arise are vast in comparison with the healthy alternative position. Why would society accept people taking an illogical and unproductive position on life that costs society (regardless off whether you think that's a flimsy argument).

Why would society accept people taking an illogical and unproductive position on life that costs society

Because we should accept that we are risk taking machines. We smoke, we speed in our cars, we eat the wrong things, we take drugs, drink alcohol etc., etc.

Accept that, it's biological, not logical.

Life isn't necessarily just about living as long as possible, it's about what YOU choose to do with it.

It's amazing how many people seem to revel in being judgemental arseholes. Think it's partly an 'internet tough guy' thing but still...

DezB - Member
A sad sign of the times where people get all up in arms about what is clearly a JOKE and they are not the punchline.

Comedy is all about context, and in this context all it did was publicly humiliate this women. Its just rude in this situation, in another context it could be joke.

and in this context all it did was [s]publicly[/s] virtually humiliate this imaginary women, surely?

What Crikey said. It's an old joke and comedians have even fought over its ownership.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/3539246.stm

[i]She said: "I think you're fattist." I said: "No, I think you're fattest". [/i]

And :

[i]"It's been around for ages. It's very hard to copyright a joke at all"[/i] - Laurie Mansfield

Anyone who has met WCA will know that he is a total diamond and has struggled with weight himself.

EDIT : When say comedians actually one was Jim Davidson, the other one was a comedian.

As an ex bigboybifferthunderthighedmunterbucket Im in the eat less move more camp. However the hardest thing is to get outhere and exercise when the world will point stare and laugh. Having spent years as a blob monster including when i was a nipper has given me the mother of all body image hangups these days. A lot of it us diffuesd with humour and uf you beat someone to a punchline about being a lardybum it steals thier thunder.

interestingly I also lived with someone who's thyroid packed up and in the 4 years it took to get my ex wifes medication sorted she went from a size 8 to an 18 with no change in diet.

Not sure where toys education theory comes in, but educated to a very high level, high wage earner, mix of sat on my arse, research papers, expert witness work and then mentally physical labour.

Thank you for your post tazzy, I do believe we've had this type of thread before on here and remember you mentioning your ex's thyroid woes.

I feel that I'm fair game for abuse when out riding, fortunately I've had none so far. Went from a size 10 to a size 18 and what a struggle to find riding wear. Some weight has come off but it seems to yoyo.

These threads will keep popping up on here and we'll see the same old nasty comments by the same old ignorant people. 😐 Not really sure why I've posted, it makes no difference to the plebs.

tazzy, well done for losing all your weight.
You have not heard my education theory yet, I just asked a question, you musta applied your own interpretation. I'm degree, msc, well paid. And about 5 stone overweight.
As far as I know, there is no relationship between level of education and fatness/notfatness, or with fatist attitudes.

My point was to illustrate something about how fattism comes about and its effect, but seeing as none of the fatist types have replied to my question, I have not been able to demonstrate it yet.

Im college educated to answer an earlier question.

@ toys19 I'm not the one solely responsible for wrecking the planet. Have a look around your own house and im sure you'll find hundreds of items which are derived from oil. All of these products are wanted by the consumer, and thats you buddy 😉

As for me thinking solely of myself when trying to get out a chopper, then you're damn right i am. You're squashed into a chopper squeezed up against bloater no1 on your left side and bloater no2 on your right side. When the chopper hits the water and if it remains intact you have to wait until it is fully capsized and then count 7 seconds and hopefully by then the chopper rotors have stopped turning before making your exit.

During the capsize i will have had to elbow barge and wrestle with bloater no 1 or 2 depending on my seating arrangement to allow me enough room to fit my rebreather. Now just in case you dont know, the chopper emergency escape window exits are approx 2ft by 1.5ft and not everybody has one as theyre staggered along the length of the chopper in relation to your seating and you're 3 abreast inside. By this point i could be upside down and still strapped in with a 4 point harness. Everyone unclips and gets disorientated. Now here is where the fat guy beside me really becomes a problem. Does he fall on top of me because ive been able to get out my harness quicker and does he knock me unconcious or does he block my exit? Who knows? Either way as a result of him not looking after himself, im in deep trouble!

So yes i am a fatist and i dont really care what you say about me being selfish.

Harking back to the comment from toys19 about me raking in the cash. And im going to go a bit off-topic here so apologies for that. For a start, dont be fooled by what you hear about oil rig workers earning shedloads of money. We earn decent money and thats exactly my point. We EARN that money because i live 2 weeks of every month on a 260m long potential bomb away from my family and friends so that you can have all the products listed below. I spend 2 fifths of my life away and miss social events and life events. Im expecting my first child soon so god only knows of all the things im going to miss there. When im out here there is nothing i can do to comfort any of my family if they need me for any reason. Are you all going to bed beside your wives and husbands tonight? yes. am i?

Lets see you mark out all the things on this list that you use and see if you could do without them for a week. I dont wreck the planet, you lot create the need for these items and i just help to supply them. 2nd from the top is heart valves for all the big fat folk that need them. Im sure i could find a longer list if needed but that was just the first one google picked up.

Clothing Ink
Heart Valves
Crayons
Parachutes
Telephones
Enamel
Transparent tape
Antiseptics
Vacuum bottles
Deodorant
Pantyhose
Rubbing Alcohol
Carpets
Epoxy paint
Oil filters
Upholstery
Hearing Aids
Car sound insulation
Cassettes
Motorcycle helmets
Pillows
Shower doors
Shoes
Refrigerator linings
Electrical tape
Safety glass
Awnings
Salad bowl
Rubber cement
Nylon rope
Ice buckets
Fertilizers
Hair coloring
Toilet seats
Denture adhesive
Loudspeakers
Movie film
Fishing boots
Candles
Water pipes
Car enamel
Shower curtains
Credit cards
Aspirin
Golf balls
Detergents
Sunglasses
Glue
Fishing rods
Linoleum
Plastic wood
Soft contact lenses
Trash bags
Hand lotion
Shampoo
Shaving cream
Footballs
Paint brushes
Balloons
Fan belts
Umbrellas
Paint Rollers
Luggage
Antifreeze
Model cars
Floor wax
Sports car bodies
Tires
Dish washing liquids
Unbreakable dishes
Toothbrushes
Toothpaste
Combs
Tents
Hair curlers
Lipstick
Ice cube trays
Electric blankets
Tennis rackets
Drinking cups
House paint
Rollerskates wheels
Guitar strings
Ammonia
Eyeglasses
Ice chests
Life jackets
TV cabinets
Car battery cases
Insect repellent
Refrigerants
Typewriter ribbons
Cold cream
Glycerin
Plywood adhesive
Cameras
Anesthetics
Artificial turf
Artificial Limbs
Bandages
Dentures
Mops
Beach Umbrellas
Ballpoint pens
Boats
Nail polish
Golf bags
Caulking
Tape recorders
Curtains
Vitamin capsules
Dashboards
Putty
Percolators
Skis
Insecticides
Fishing lures
Perfumes
Shoe polish
Petroleum jelly
Faucet washers
Food preservatives
Antihistamines
Cortisone
Dyes
LP records
Solvents
Roofing

haggis, feel a bit guilty about something? You pillock, I work in the oil industry myself. I was just pointing out that you were being a bit bigoted and small minded.

No need for name calling toys. And why would you come out with a comment about me wrecking the planet if you work in the oil industry?? If you believe and stand by your previous comment then youre a hypocrite. Now do you sit next to the fat person on the chopper if you have a choice? When you can only squeeze one of you bum cheeks onto your own seat because theyre taking up all the room?

[b]some[/b] would argue that anyone working in the oil industry is greedy and selfish, just raking in the cash whilst wrecking the planet.

try and read what other people write.

PS with regard to insults, I call it as I see it. You are being bigoted, and small minded and come across as a pillock in the Del-Boy sense of the word.

I think

bloater

why did you edit your comment there? I dont get the feeling guilty comment? Therefore i guess i dont feel guilty about whatever youre talking about.

A comment that you made, impying you were one of the "SOME"

Ok so college level, is that tertiary college, vocational? Not academic then?
Can I ask why not academic, or higher level?

HND level. Studying Hons degree imminently. Why?

cinnamon_girl - Member

Thank you for your post tazzy, I do believe we've had this type of thread before on here and remember you mentioning your ex's thyroid woes.

I feel that I'm fair game for abuse when out riding, fortunately I've had none so far. Went from a size 10 to a size 18 and what a struggle to find riding wear. Some weight has come off but it seems to yoyo.

These threads will keep popping up on here and we'll see the same old nasty comments by the same old ignorant people. Not really sure why I've posted, it makes no difference to the plebs.

Amen.

There really are some very unpleasant people on here.
At least these threads give me an idea of who to avoid in real life.

How old are you haggis? mid 30'S?

You've not answered any of my questions toys19. do you sit next to the fat person on the chopper?

And i call it as i see it. Some people clearly have a problem with that, as stated above. If it comes down to a life or death and someone else actions throughout their life put my life at risk then why shouldnt i voice my opinions on it? Do you disagree with the possibility of what ive said above happening regarding a chopper going down and the fat person blocking the exit?

You work in the oil industry you say. Are you offshore constantly or are you an occasional visitor to a rig? Or are you shore based? I assure you there are plenty of people that share my views.

Now you answer my questions and i'll answer yours.

This is a genuine safety concern of mine and thankfully the AAIB have decided to do something about it. If youre in the industry you'll be aware of the new regulations that are coming out over safety concerns regarding fat people on choppers. From june the 1st every person must have a window seat on a chopper. There were also recommendations that offshore workers have to lose weight as well. When compared to the Norwegian sector we apparently have a terrible safety record and some of this must clearly have been attributed to fat people if those were their recommendations.

Sorry, did not realise you asked me anything?
I don't go offshore, I hope I never have to.
What else did you ask me?
You are confusing two different issues.
1) safety on the aircraft due to peoples variable size, not just obesity, a lot of offshore people work out, they are big and would be obese despite not having any fat.
2) your own judgemental intolerant attitude.

haggis1978 - Member

We EARN that money because i live 2 weeks of every month on a 260m long potential bomb away from my family and friends so that you can have all the products listed below. I spend 2 fifths of my life away and miss social events and life events. Im expecting my first child soon so god only knows of all the things im going to miss there. When im out here there is nothing i can do to comfort any of my family if they need me for any reason. Are you all going to bed beside your wives and husbands tonight? yes. am i?

And they say there's no more heroes these days.

You'd never get a fat person do all that.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit Ernie.

Toys, So you dont work in the oil industry. You work for the oil industry in an office somewhere.

Your comments about working in the oil industry are why i asked the questions which you never answered. Theyre the ones in my earlier posts about sitting beside a fat person on a chopper and only getting one bum cheek on the seat.

Youre comments about me being bigoted are ridiculous as youve obviously now never been on a chopper so wouldnt know as youve never been in that situation where some fat bloke could get in your way getting out a window.
You're a keyboard warrior mate, yapping about something you have no real clue about. Without trying to sound up myself (but managing it anyway) 😉 , ive been there, done it and worn the t-shirt when it comes to offshore life and you have a snippet of info in you, regarding the industry and you think youre it and have resorted to name calling when i was only expressing my opinion. If you were in the oil industry to a suitable degree then i know 100% you would have been on a rig. Even the HR lassies in my offices get trips offshore from time to time.

PS if you cant work out what age i am then you're stupid. See i can call people names too 😀

PPS have a look at my username, that should help you out 😆 😛 8)

Toys, So you dont work in the oil industry. You work for the oil industry in an office somewhere.

mid 30s

Thank you for sharing your opinion of satire with me haggis1978. And the wonderful irony of someone who is clearly such a grumpy and miserable person lecturing me on such matters isn't lost on me.

🙂

Mr Haggis is a really good reason for Scottish Independence 😉

Wow. I never knew conscription was used in the oil industry.

You sound like jack Nicholson in your post. If it's such a hardship working on top of a bomb why don't you change. No one is forcing you to be there.

Fwiw I have many friends in your industry. You may even know some of them and they don't seem to have as big problems working in oil as you have.

Baby oil doesn't count.
And the choppers are a different size.

Another study suggesting being a judgemental bellend might not be the best approach:

"A lower estimated AMY1 copy-number showed a significantly increased risk of obesity in all samples and this translated to an approximate eightfold difference in the risk of obesity between those subjects with the highest number of copies of the gene and those with the lowest," said the study.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/30/salivary-carb-breakdown-gene-obesity-study

But obviously the only reason some people are thin is because they are so awesome, and all the lazy fatties just need people to shout EAT LESS MOVE MORE in their faces a bit louder.

I have a radical idea! If eating starchy carbs is making you obese because you cannot digest them properly, then why not stop eating them? Not exactly rocket science is it!

Possibly I am one of these "lower estimated AMY1 copy-number" folk; I was obese but then stopped eating bread/pasta (iDiet) and now I am not obese. It's not like they are an essential food group or provide any kind of nutrition you can't get elsewhere.

Yup but then the NHS is still recommending that people base their meals on starchy carbs. Certainly lots of people seem to think eating a big bowl of white pasta is somehow healthy.

That is a big problem for sure. I have just Googled "NHS healthy eating" and found something called the "eatwell plate" that recommends 2/3rds of everyones' intake should be carbohydrate. Utterly ridiculous.

I guess the decades of bad advice/indoctrination will be very hard to overcome unfortunately.

And there you have the heart of this issue, people have been advised for years that they should reduce fat and eat more carbs. indeed loads of diet food labelled as low fat, has got carbs as a thickner instead. So many people eat low fat diet food and it is probably making them fatter.

I'm pretty sure what's important is a balanced diet. No surprise there then? Not too much fat, not too much carbs. To instantly equate that with no fat, no carbs, is ludicrous. Why that would be almost as mad as claiming that most people are overweight because of some genetic disorder which has suddenly in the past two or three generations overwhelmed the human race.

I don't believe for one moment that bread, spuds, pasta or rice should be removed from the diet. But people should be aware of additives. If you read "low fat" on a pack of something that probably means it is now stuffed full of sugar to compensate.

I don't believe for one moment that bread, spuds, pasta or rice should be removed from the diet.

So yes a sedentary, obese person should absolutely not be eating these foods but for an active person they can be a useful energy source. I actually eat rice/potatoes these days quite happily without putting the weight back on.

I'm pretty sure what's important is a balanced diet.

So yes a sedentary, obese person should absolutely not be eating these foods

Haggis, can you answer my question? What is your level of academic achievement?

I'm afraid your academic credentials (or lack of) don't give your arguments any weight at all in this context, Toys. Being pragmatic and objective you can't fault Haggis. However, pragmatism and objectivity are like a red rag to some. Things as simple as "consume less calories than you burn and you will lose weight" are completely lost on some academic high achievers.

Really? No carbs at all?

Bread/pasta/rice, etc are STARCHY CARBS but they are not the only form of carbs. Other, healthier forms would be: all vegetables, beans/pluses, etc. Sugar is a carbohydrate too, so things like fruit & coca cola contain (a lot of!) carbs.

So no, I'm not saying no carbs - they are (arguably) essential - just get them in healthier forms (and for a lot of people in smaller quantities).

No carbs before Marbs!

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I'm afraid your academic credentials (or lack of) don't give your arguments any weight at all in this context, Toys. Being pragmatic and objective you can't fault Haggis. However, pragmatism and objectivity are like a red rag to some. Things as simple as "consume less calories than you burn and you will lose weight" are completely lost on some academic high achievers.

You must have been away the day they did reading at school then "edukator", as I clearly wrote this:

You have not heard my education theory yet, I just asked a question, you musta applied your own interpretation. I'm degree, msc, well paid. And about 5 stone overweight.
As far as I know, there is no relationship between level of education and fatness/notfatness, or with fatist attitudes.

My point was to illustrate something about how fattism comes about and its effect, but seeing as none of the fatist types have replied to my question, I have not been able to demonstrate it yet.

I'm pretty sure what's important is a balanced diet. No surprise there then? Not too much fat, not too much carbs. To instantly equate that with no fat, no carbs, is ludicrous. Why that would be almost as mad as claiming that most people are overweight because of some genetic disorder which has suddenly in the past two or three generations overwhelmed the human race.

This post is so full of straw men it's hard to know where to start.

[i]it's hard to know where to start.[/i]

Then don't. I rarely do these days. Theres so much blind, dogged, adherence to the flawed paradigm of calories in Vs calories out, that the truth, under pinned with research spanning 100 years. Won't break people's misplaced trust and belief in opinions given by biased physicians.

Bascally theres waaay more carbs in our dietary environment, than ever before in the history of man kind. Our body's are not evolved to deal with consuming 2/3s of your 2K cals a day, as carbs. But hey-ho.

CARRY ON !

EDIT:
[i]No carbs before Marbs![/i]
And if you go to Blackpool, you may lose sight of your tool ?

This post is so full of straw men it's hard to know where to start.

You're just making up extreme versions of peoples' arguments then dismissing them as ludicrous.

To instantly equate that with no fat, no carbs, is ludicrous.

Lucky no-one said that then.

Why that would be almost as mad as claiming that most people are overweight because of some genetic disorder which has suddenly in the past two or three generations overwhelmed the human race.

Lucky no-one said that either.

I suggest you read my contribution again, Toys. It's not an answer to your question. Strange that you claim to have posted the answer but keep asking the question. Another example:

I wonder how many of the eat less/do more crowd are high academic achievers and/or high earners?

The "context" here is a public forum and a subject far away from anything your MSc is in that's why Im' saying your academic credential (or lack of) give no weight to your arguments.

Smoking and alcohol long been recognised as a public health issue and the root of the cause taxed. Sodas are now also recognised as a public health issue and the cause taxed in some countries. Sugary drinks have a health tax on them where I live. Even if you like being overweight in the same way as some people like being smokers or drinkers there is a cost to society of their choices and people should be discouraged from eating and drinking the things that make them overweight and sometime diabetic. I would go further than current French legislation and ban the sale of drinks containing added sugar to anyone under the age of 18.

You obviously[s] can't read, or [/s]are just trolling, I have not claimed to have posted an answer anywhere.

Again I say clearly for your Troll like skull to get it in.

[b]1) I DO NOT BELIEVE, NOR HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SHOW, THAT THERE IS ANY CAUSAL OR STATISTICAL LINK BETWEEN OBESITY AND ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT.
2) I DO NOT BELIEVE , NOR HAVE ANY EVIDENCE TO SHOW, THERE IS ANY CAUSAL OR STATISTICAL LINK BETWEEN BIGOTRY/FATTISM AND ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT.[/b]

There is that clear enough?

Meanwhile, perhaps you could tell us what your level of academic achievement is? Then we can have a discussion about bigotry using peoples attitudes to academic achievment as an example/illustration of how bigotry comes about.

[i]people should be discouraged from eating and drinking the things that make them overweight and sometime diabetic[/i]

So, if you agree that excessive carbohydrate consumption has a casual effect on the development of obesity ( you refer to sugary drinks ). Then why do you not distinguish between carbs and the other two macros when you say:

[i]Things as simple as "consume less calories than you burn and you will lose weight" are completely lost on some academic high achievers[/i]

Either calories from carbs are metabolized by the body in the exact same way as protein or fat, or they are processed in a distinctly different manner, which then precludes one from just labelling all calories as being the same. Which then leads some to say that its as simple as, calories in Vs calories out, which is, of course, not accurate.

LOVL @

[i]Again I say clearly for your Troll like skull to get it in.[/i]
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[i]Meanwhile, perhaps you could tell us what your level of academic achievement is? Then we can have a discussion about bigotry using peoples attitudes to academic achievment as an example/illustration of how bigotry comes about[/i]

Oh, please, PLEASE.... NNNoooooooooo !
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grum - The argument has been made more than once on this thread that the reason for an individual's obesity may be down to some genetic or other health issue. Whilst I agree with that I believe that the majority of cases of overweight and obesity are simply down to the population as a whole eating more and working/exercising less than two or three generations ago. If there was always a genetic cause to an individual's obesity then we would not be seeing the problem growing in the way we are - it would always have been there, the percentage of population who are obese would not be rapidly increasing. Would it?

Whilst I agree with that I believe that the majority of cases of overweight and obesity are simply down to the population as a whole eating more and working/exercising less than two or three generations ago

There is a difference between believe, and actual evidence/causal link. So where is your evidence that the majority of cases of obesity are caused by eating more/moving less?

Whilst I agree with that I believe that the majority of cases of overweight and obesity are simply down to the population as a whole eating more and working/exercising less than two or three generations ago.

If there was always a genetic cause to an individual's obesity then we would not be seeing the problem growing in the way we are - it would always have been there, the percentage of population who are obese would not be rapidly increasing. Would it?

I would disagree with this though on the basis that I think our diets have changed significantly in the last few generations

OK, in that case I agree with you 😀 It's probably not necessarily down to people being more wilfully greedy/lazy (although not saying that's never a factor) but more a general shift in the attitude of society towards how people get about/spend their leisure time and how/what people eat.

So where is your evidence that the majority of cases of obesity are caused by eating more/moving less?

Google "lifestyle obesity" for hundreds of papers, Toys.

[url= http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11194216 ]ncbi[/url]

[url= http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11683545 ]another[/url]

Good find "edukator", if I can draw something from the [url= http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11194216 ]abstract[/url] rather than reading the whole thing and fully understanding what it is about, look at this:

Further research, however, is clearly needed, because the rates of obesity in our country are escalating, and changing behavior for the long term has proven to be very difficult

Which essentially say's that telling people to move more and eat less does not appear to be working. I wonder why.

And from your 2nd paper ( [url= http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11683545 ]from way back in 2001[/url]) it directly contradicts what we know now, that eating fat does not make you fat.

To prevent obesity and diabetes there are grounds for recommending the combination of increasing daily physical activity level to a PAL-value of at least 1.8 and reducing dietary fat content to 20-25 energy-% in sedentary subjects, and to 25-35% in more physically active individuals.

Which just backs up what we said before that even the medical profession have been giving people the wrong message.

Can you find me any more please?

Which essentially say's that telling people to move more and eat less does not appear to be working. I wonder why.

Google "lifestyle obesity" for hundreds of papers

I googled "lifestyle obesity" and I didn't see hundreds of papers claiming that we're eating more, why would we be ? Change of diet seems to be a far greater cause. There were no MacDonalds in the UK 50 years ago.

Would I be risking a flaming by suggesting it's because people just aren't listening (or are listening but not acting) despite it being sound advice?

I dunno, again, where is the evidence that they are not listening? Maybe the evidence shows that it just does not work? Or that the advice is difficult to follow in one way or another?

There is a fair bit of evidence to show that modern foods are far less nutrient dense than they were in the past. I saw something that stated modern tomatoes have 1/7th the nutritional value for weight than they did just 50 years ago.

Even when you are trying to keep your meals healthy, produce is produced to maximize profits, made sweeter and juicer than it naturally would be. A process that has massively changed what we eat just since the 70's.

I dunno, again, where is the evidence that they are not listening?

I guess my "evidence" would be the same way I know ridiculously skinny jeans or Mumford & Sons beards are fashionable; not because I have completed a research paper in the subject merely because I observe it to be so. I see butchers/greengrocers closing and junk food places popping up in their place. I see people piling their trolleys high with rubbish in the supermarkets and stuffing their faces as they walk along the street. I see people driving short distances rather than walking/riding. No-one I know who is obese is genuinely trying to lose weight; they all eat (and especially drink) too much and exercise too little.

I have no problem with people who are overweight, by choice or otherwise. Though as a former fatty myself I can tell you that my life improved in a huge number of ways when I managed to lose the weight so if I [i]were[/i] to suggest to someone they would be advised to lose it my motive would be purely altruistic rather than malicious.

There is a fair bit of evidence to show that modern foods are far less nutrient dense than they were in the past. I saw something that stated modern tomatoes have 1/7th the nutritional value for weight than they did just 50 years ago.

Even so, you cannot be seriously telling me that an average snack from today (whatever that is, Greggs XL pasty or whatever) is less calorie dense than a snack from 50 years ago (apple or monster tomato or what have you)?

If people heed the advice it works. I suggest that if the deniers on this thread heeded the advice they would not be in the obese category of the body mass chart. History tells us that when groups of people are forced to live on limited calorie intake and maintain active lives there are very soon no obese or even fat people left in the population whatever their genetics or illnessses.

Toys. Its up to you, but I'd leave poor old Kato alone. Poor old Edukator is trapped in an old paradigm that he doesn't want to let go of. Its likely an age thing, which would also explain his uncharacteristic oversight of my question to him.....

Don't pick on the poor thing, he can't help himself. Instead, pity him.

Don't pick on the poor thing, he can't help himself. Instead, pity him.

Wise words.