[Closed] you shouldn't laugh but - Liverpool FC

Brendan Rogers must be feeling pretty worried (And probably really foolish after the start Swansea have had). I hope he doesn't end up looking as depressed as Roy did in a few weeks.

I think they will be ok this year, not pushing for the title, but I expect that they will start to build towards better football under Rodgers, as I think they would have done under Hodgson if they had stuck by him.

Much will depend on the fans allowing the team and manager time to build his ideas, now they got the disaster of Daglish out of their system, a bit of realism and more importantly patience might be in order.

Lets judge at the end of the season, or does the media say we must pick the league standings after 2 games

you shouldn't laugh but - Liverpool FC

You watch any football? or just read the sun?

It requires too much Scouse hating to gloat about this and so early in the season 🙄

He will be disappointed but not as disappointed as I am to see another one of the gloating dismissive football thread so early in the season...its going to be another long one isn't it.

He needs time and that time is more than 2 games before anyone can say anything about how well he has done
yours Man u fan

Yes I do. Not as much now I live in oz. The shipping out of players for way less than they paid is a little amusing. Not signing a striker will probably cost them especially if suarez can't get going or picks up a knock/ban.

Mostly happy to see the newcastle squad in tact

A little amusing ....do you think that as you ring your little bell for your butler to get your porsche ready !!!!
Cannot see why that can amuse anyone ....strange

Sit down and enjoy a season of football .....if the daily mail will allow you to

You may have a point although i don't really agree, Adam & Carroll never gonna be good enough. I think Arsenal are more of a joke TBH.

Could be worse you could be a villa fan like me.

Unlikely that there would be 2 😉

Could be worse you could be a villa fan like me.

+1

i think he's made some good signings to be fair, but i can't see it being enough to keep us up.

in a strange way, i don't think it will be a disaster if we do go down. the prem is not the place to build a team of youngsters and that's our only option at the moment.

A few good players made moves that Villa should have been interested in e.g. Adam Johnson.

As a Fulham fan, let me say it was screamingly obvious to everyone what game Liverpool were playing with Dempsey. Tap tap tap tap, all summer long, and then a late and derisory bid to make Fulham cave in.

Lovely straight bat play by Fulham. I can almost imagine they were on the phone to Levy saying "They've offered x, make it x+abit and he's yours"

A few good players made moves that Villa should have been interested in e.g. Adam Johnson.

we can't afford adam johnson type wages though

I'm gutted the way Liverpool have been going for years. They'll never return to the heights of the 70's and 80's without huge investment and a total overhaul of the squad.

They've got a squad and manager who can only really hope to finish 6th at a push. I can't see them finishing above either Manchester clubs, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea.

Their lack of new players reflects badly on the owners and Rodgers.

You can't blame Rodgers for the current situation, the money spent under Dalglish was obscene for the type of player they bought.

If they can find someone who can actually convert all the chances they create they'll be laughing, Dalglish would still be in the job now if they converted half the chances they created & Liverpool would probably be in the champions league.

I love it. One team on Merseyside this year...

Tranmere!

They'll never return to the heights of the 70's and 80's without huge investment and a total overhaul of the squad.

What - you mean ANOTHER huge investment, and ANOTHER total overhaul of the squad?

Tranmere!

Drogba has just been released by his Chinese club so is now a free agent, wonder if there will be any Premier clubs scrambling to speak to him..

Off-loading Carroll is going to come back and bite Rodgers on the ar5e, IMHO. Subtle he ain't but towards the end of last season and with England, in the summer, he was getting his form back. Let the other nine outfield players play the tippy-tappy stuff, lump it up to him and there's a good chance he'll score or set someone else up.

I don't work in IT. I don't drive an Audi. I don't read the Daily Mail or The Sun. I have watched football for approximately 25 years.

I [i]am [/i]amused by Liverpool's fumblings. And I don't personally see any good coming their way this season.

What pigeon hole am I in?

[i]It's like the STW classifieds Buy for huge cash get bored sell for peanuts[/i]

I know nothing about football, but players wages are high, so maybe its not about cash-in and more about reducing cash out?

I am bemused by Liverpool's fumblings. My present train of thought is that Bendon Rodgers is a yes man who says what people want to hear. He bangs on about introducing a passing game to Liverpool FC and how he has developed the young players that he's given starts to in the last couple of games.

I'm sorry but Liverpool have always played passing football and infact their team from the 70s and 80s is up ther with the Brazil team of 1970, the current Barcelona team and Real Madrid of the 50s when it comes to the passing phylosophy. LIVERPOOL HAVE ALWAYS PLAYED PASSING FOOTBALL.

As for bringing in and developing youngsters - Benitez and Dalglish put all of that in place, and Liverpool have always brought young players through.....

I wish he would stop pretending that he's some sort of footballing brain and just get on with it.

There is also the small matter of people praising the performance against man city. We beat man city 3-0 last year....

There is also the small matter of people praising the performance against man city. We beat man city 3-0 last year....

& Man City this year so far aren't as tough a nut to crack...

As a chuffed west ham fan, I think liverpool should have kept carrol! he may not suit their style of play but with the right delivery hes a serious threat and a real handful for defenders!

I don't pay a lot of attention to english football,but the fact that liverpool can only manage 2-1 against Hearts tells me they must be pretty rotten. I've seen pub teams that can do better than that. 5 a side pub teams!

traildemon1 - Member
As a chuffed west ham fan, I think liverpool should have kept carrol! he may not suit their style of play but with the right delivery hes a serious threat and a real handful for defenders!

+1. Another chuffed west ham fan here.

He's injured now though. I dunno, someone loans you "35million" "worth" of player and you break him in the first game. Hope you're going to pay liverpool for a replacement... 😉

Slimjim, 25 years of football, table football doesnt count and regards you being "amused" I am sure "the chuckle brothers" are playing an auditorium near you
I have pre ordered your prawn sandwiches, brown or granary?

Glupton - as soon as Shaun wright Philips pays us for breaking Dean Ashton, we'll settle up with 'pool. 😉

My personal view is for the fans and players to stop rambling on about 'this is Liverpool FC, we should be doing this and that and we will challenge for the title this year, next year, the year after, we should have that player, that manager etc etc' and just concentrate on sorting out the team. Build it up and be prepared to stop being delusional. They won't challenge for the title for years! When have they come second? 3 times in the last 20 odd years? Third a few times but usually miles behind 1st. They won't even get a top 4 spot for a few years at least. They've never been consistent enough. And when a few years back when they did for once push for the title it was Rafa who lost the plot and blew it.

Short or Man City/Chelsea type investment these days can any other club challenge for the title?

I can see Man U struggling when Fergie goes, Arsenal, probably the 'best' run club in the top four can't compete in the league any more....

Long gone are the days when a so called provincial club like Forest or Derby will ever be able to challenge for the title again, such a shame...

& I do say this as a Man City fan...

Princejohn, i think your views are spot on, ferguson will be sorely missed when he goes, he is great at what he does
Liverpool are a long way off not just the team but the club in general, hopefully brendan can change the attitude of all associated with the club but we said the same about kenny,roy,rafa and gerard
Gonna be a big job

I'm a little bemused, Liverpool brought in
Sahin
Allen
Borini
Assadi
Yesil

However according to some, we've not bought anyone in this window. I make that 5 players.

Add to the fact we've unloaded players on massive salaries like Kuyt, Maxi, Adam, Carroll and moved on Spearing, Bellamy.

That in my opinion anyway is the best window Liverpool have had in 10 years.... bloody brilliant in fact.

When you take into account that Rodgers is a 1 striker man, that means that massive strength in depth up front isn't actually a complete prerequisite. It also provides the chance for Gerrard to be push into a full on offensive role in the formation, which is of course is best position.

Allen has been exceptional, Borinis' movement has been brilliant, Sahin is of course a class act, and 2 youngsters...

I struggle to see where it's gone wrong?

Carroll showed last night brilliantly why he shouldn't be at Liverpool. He was superb for the Hammers from what i saw... however, he was superb at exactly what he's supposed to be, a big target man. I don't want a big target man, neither it seems to Rodgers... Carroll may well be a superb player at West HAm or indeed whowever he signs for next.. .i still don't want him at LFC though.

Liverpool did not beat City 3-0 last year. League results were 1-1 at Anfield and 3-0 to City at the Etihad. Liverpool did win 1-0 in the League Cup.

TBH I was reasonably impressed by Pool's performance against City a couple of weeks ago. The team looked pretty disciplined and made more effort than they sometimes showed under recent managers.

I think that they must have been expecting to sign another striker before the window shut - I think that this will come back to bite them before January.

I think that having appointed Rodgers they need to keep faith with him for at least three years. Even after this they cannot really expect to be on a par with teams like City and Chelsea.

Whatever happens I am willing to bet that Rodgers will comfortably outlast AVB at Tottenham.

I think the way Carroll has been treated, all to publicly, has been shocking. He's going to prove his worth at west ham and I hope they have the sense to bring him back after his loan year.

It's all well and good rodgers being commited to his philosophy, and looks to Barcelona for his inspiration. But Barcelona have two goalscoring monsters in Messi and David Villa, we don't have any goalscorers in the team now, someone needs to be able to finish off all this promised creativity.

He needs time and I dont think Rodgers thinks that Carroll is a poor player just that he is not they style of player he wants.
Surely everyone thinks Caroll is the best EPL "target man" the issue is whether you want a target man.

Hard to see him in Barcelona colour tbh

Way too early to judge the manager

Don't think the manager is solely culpable, Rodgers made it clear that he wasn't his type of player, then those above went hell for leather to get him off the wage bill, despite Carroll wanting to stay and fight fit his place.

I can't believe in saying this buy it might be time to get Owen in til the end of the season, he'll score goals, he's available and even though he's played for the enemy, needs must...

I think the West Ham loan will be great for them, but even better for Andy Carroll.
He strikes me as a bit of a confidence player, and he needs games (and a few goals) to rebuild that. In the form that he's in he wouldn't be 1st choice at Liverpool so wouldn't be playing regularly. But he needs to play regularly to improve his form.
He also benefits massively from a team playing to his strengths. That's not to say that he couldn't fit in with other styles, but he'll get back to form quicker in a team that naturally plays to his strengths than in one that would have to adapt to feed him. It's easier to addapt later when he's playing well.
He's no way a bad player, but I don't think he ever did himself justice at Liverpool since arriving injured. A full season with regular game-time, a little less personal presure (he's the "loan striker" rather than the "35million man" there), a team playing to his strengths, and a couple of his old mates playing should help him loads more than a season as back-up.
Reminds me a little bit of the Mario Gomez situation at Bayern. They bought him early, but he needed to play games on loan before he developed into the player he is now.

Edit: I think there's more to be gained from giving Adam Morgan, Pacheco, and Suso some game-time than bringing back Owen. It's the only way to find out if they're good enough and they'll develop with it.
FWIW, I'd rather they went for Anelka if the Chinese contract gets cancelled than Owen.

A succession of Liverpool managers have all consistently done the same thing. Left their successor to try and put a squad together, with whichever over-priced donkeys they've saddled the club with. When was the last time Liverpool bought a seriously world class player? Torres? Alonso? Since then they've spent big buying a pool of mediocre squad players. And lots of 'em!

Carroll was good for the hammers yesterday, but £35 million good? Not even half that, I'm afraid. And after shelling out that kind of money, they can't even afford to put a serious offer in for the likes of Clint Dempsey.

Mid table team now. Tgey finished 36 (!!!) points behind city and united last season. They may improve on that slightly this year. The Anfield faithful need to accept this and lower their expectations accordingly

Cletus - 11th April 2011 - LFC beat man city 3-0.

Slimjim, 25 years of football, table football doesnt count and regards you being "amused" I am sure "the chuckle brothers" are playing an auditorium near you
I have pre ordered your prawn sandwiches, brown or granary?

youre right, I know nothing.

granary please.

Up the gooners.

From today's Guardian MBM...

It's 1986 and Manchester United were a faded giant, they hadn't won the league for over 20 years and they were regularly deluding themselves that the odd cup run was sufficient in asserting their status as a 'big club'. They were over reliant on an, often injured, central midfielder who was England captain, and a temperamental, skilful centre forward who often struggled for goals. To arrest that slide they appointed a man who had successfully broken up the old firm duopoly and improbably taken a small provincial team to League and European glory, a man who then went on to prove his management genius.

It's 2012 and Liverpool have Brendan Rodgers, who was sacked by Reading. Good luck with that.

And yes, I find it amusing.

The Brendon Rodgers reign Is all going really well so far, isn't it? In a sort of Roy Hodgeson way, only not quite as good? 😀

Is it too early for me to Ressurect my phrase from 2 seasons ago, as a prediction? Liverpool FC - the gift that just keeps on giving! 😆

[b]starrman82[/b] - Member
I think Arsenal are more of a joke TBH.

I could rant about his forever, but wont.

Oh... And can I make a prediction? After the complete failure to play passing football like Barcelona, by new year Liverpool will be hovering a couple of points above the relegation zone.

Andy Carroll will be recalled from West Ham in January, and it'll be 'sod playing like Barcelona, just ****ing hoof it up to the big donkey, and hope for the best!'

weeksy - Member
Carroll showed last night brilliantly why he shouldn't be at Liverpool. He was superb for the Hammers from what i saw... however, he was superb at exactly what he's supposed to be, a big target man. I don't want a big target man, neither it seems to Rodgers... Carroll may well be a superb player at West HAm or indeed whowever he signs for next.. .i still don't want him at LFC though.

Have you managed to climb out of your own arse yet? Deluded fool.

Oh... And can I make a prediction?...by new year Liverpool will be hovering a couple of points above the relegation zone... and it'll be 'sod playing like Barcelona, just ****ing hoof it up to the big donkey, and hope for the best!'

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/02/liverpool-arsenal-premier-league-match-report ]Oh dear[/url]

A fitting end to a dreadful few days in the Liverpool reign of Brendan Rodgers stemmed from a superior Arsenal display, carelessness and another error from the once formidable José Reina. But it was strikers in absentia who hogged the limelight. The Liverpool manager admitted he would never have loaned Andy Carroll to West Ham United had he foreseen Friday's non-transfer deadline day and will consider an Anfield return for Michael Owen.

Asked if he would have sanctioned Carroll's move knowing what was to come on Friday, Rodgers said only: "No." Asked how confident he was that a replacement was coming in when he allowed Carroll to go, he said: "Very." It was the admission that Owen is under consideration eight years after leaving Anfield and four months after being released by Manchester United that showed the desperation that now prevails.

Owen coming back?

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binners
Andy Hunter, the manu fanzine writer? Rednose's biographer?
You yourself are a more credible source for North West football comment and opinion than him.

But they did drop one getting rid of AC with their own unnecessary criticism, driving his price down themselves, and not replacing before he went. But long term, at least they've not paid over the odds for a 29yr old on a long contract who'll have no re-sale value.

What no-ones really mentioning is how good Arsenal look this year. They'll beat some better teams than Liverpool this season.

But long term, at least they've not paid over the odds for a 29yr old[s] on a long contract who'll have no re-sale value[/s] who'll score a hit-trick to bag you 3 points, when everyone else is playing like they're in a pub side.

FTFY 😉

But long term, at least they've not paid over the odds for a 29yr old [s]on a long contract who'll have no re-sale value[/s] who'll score a hit-trick to bag you 3 points, when everyone else is playing like they're in a pub side.

Agree on the pub-side performance, but do you really think Dempsey could have done that? 😉