[Closed] Yoofs today!

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😆 Kids today 😆

Kids have it too easy, I see graduates every day who utterly believe they should be fast tracked and promoted immediately the get their foot in the door on their path to being chief exec having only been out of school for a couple of years. They seem to think its a given right and if they dont get what they want they quit and move back in with mum and dad whilst they take another 9 months to get a some mug to employ them.

Then we have a new generation of school leavers aged 16, who have never known either parent to work, thus dont see why they should and expect the state to fund their lifestyle....utter lunacy!

Then add in the 25,000 kids lliving in poland who are receiving UK child benefit, and it just shows how pitiful society has become.

[i]Then add in the 25,000 kids lliving in poland who are receiving UK child benefit, and it just shows how pitiful society has become. [/i]

Reliable source?

(note: Daily Mail doesn't count as reliable)

Wasnt daily mail, it was on a BBC documentary or equivalent and couple of months ago. Could all be bull, but sounds possible given the way the system works and birth stats from ONS.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9628945/More-than-40000-children-abroad-getting-child-benefit.html

Aye, but that will be child support being paid to the (I assume) migrant worker who is paying taxes here. While their child uses schools hospital etc elsewhere. Don't see that as a problem.

Jeezus, for a second there I thought I'd accidentally clicked on the Daily Mail web site. 😯

Jeezus, for a second there I thought I'd accidentally clicked on the Daily Mail web site.

That's the 'Nazi Diana hating criminal scum benefit scrounger shocker' thread in the other forum...

A friend of ours looked shocked when we asked Jnr (3.5) to help us carry his plates and cutlery to the dishwasher which he helps us to arrange.

Apparantly teaching your child to do chores these days is bordering on Child Labour.... and we wonder why we experience things as expressed by the OP!

I did some (publishing - journalism and design) teaching on a local council funded project, a couple of years ago, for 16-17 year olds. I was unbelievably disappointed.

All 20 of them turned up on time, were enthusiastic, eager to learn and hard working, and produced some fantastic results. What bloody use is that to me?! Eh?!! I ask you? I was expecting a good years worth of 'and-another-bloody-thing....' pub anecdotes about young, ****less, lazy ner-do-wells.

Gutted doesn't even begin to describe it 😥

my experience of yoofs today..

i have two apprentices working for me, one 18 and one 19. They get shit money (£380 a month) and both have to pay a large part of that out on buses and trains.

Both have been outstanding, to the point where I'm likely to offer them both permanent positions in the spring. They are both motivated and dilligent but neither of them are stupid. Both saw the positions that we offered as an alternative to further or higher education and a real, genuine chance to get proper job experience and hopefully a position at the end of it.

All thats changed between the youth of today and the youth of 20 years ago is that today's kids aren't prepared to get shat on for long hours and no prospect of a decent job. I don't blame them.

We've been reasonably OK with students etc. that have come in for short periods.
One or two ****less ones and one that wanted Fridays off [or should that be orff] to go hunting but on the whole OK

Teenagers have a bit of a worry when stepping out of their comfort zone. You may be in an area that's considered a bit strange by the yoof. (I see you're in the countryside and the yoot will be heading out from a Metropolitan area, it may be they all have a long commute to college and you are even further away. Good on them for having an idea of work/life balance if that's the case).

the students are unwilling to travel "this far"!

you might need to read between the lines,"this far" might mean "for that price" - its the cost rather than the length of the journey they might be concerned about. Even if costs are being reimbursed thats no help if you can't afford them upfront. I've found when working with volunteers and placements that its really important to put travel and subsistence money in peoples hands at the outset rather than refunding receipts afterwards, even refunding receipts on the same day.

Being a 'short distance from town' really means two trips for most people too - they've got to get into town first to make the journey out again.

Jeezus, for a second there I thought I'd accidentally clicked on the Daily Mail web site.

Not a difficult mistake to make - The people who run the Telegraph now used to run the Mail.

That Telegraph article is ridiculous!

Most of the 23,000 claimants for overseas children are foreigners working in the UK, with around two-thirds sending the cash back to children in Poland.

The Treasury says it is forced to pay for the children of any UK workers who contribute National Insurance under European Union rules.

So... paying child benefit to people working here and paying full tax and national insurance then? So what difference does it make what nationality they are?

Er, I think the issue is to do with the kids not residing in the UK 😆

Will the kids grow up and contribute tax in return for their child benefit or are the parents just rinsing the (broken) system?

But I can understand how using the word foreigner causes the "enlightended" to get all defensive and lefty.

[i]Will the kids grow up and contribute tax in return for their child benefit or are the parents just rinsing the (broken) system?[/i]

Have you done sums about how much we as a country would collect in Tax and NI from these workers and the benefit [i]we[/i] gain from not having to pay for the education and healthcare of their children? Regardless of whether the children come here to work in the future it's a net gain for 'UK plc'

I also have a yoof working for me. Now 20 and works hard, interested and only sometimes lapses into a dazed statis of nothingness. He tried uni, didnt like it, so left and got a few short term jobs until landing the apprenticeship with us. Fair play to the lad for making the call and getting out while he could, debt free. He earns almost nothing at the moment but it will all work out nicely in 8 months or so when our department splits and he gets offered a permanent position with healthcare and a pension. Im happy to throw him the not so boring jobs and let him grow a bit.

Seems to me that he is the odd one out of the uni brigade and I think the 'i deserve it' opinion is bred from schools telling people that uni is the answer and they MUST go. I know I was basically an outcast for 18 months when I opted not to apply for uni as I was making the schools figures look bad. FFS.

Several of my Mates have Yoofs who work damn hard, long hours etc. etc. for the likes of "holiday" companies in the Sailing and Skiing world.
Hard work. great fun, rubbish pay but you do get to meet some great people and play with the companies kit after hours.

I did it after during/after Uni..

Don't know any lazy Yoofs TBH.

@ Binners - send a few over here please.

Really want to give someone a chance, there could be a full time post in it for one of them. I did say we would provide tickets, not cover expenses - I know funds can be hard to come by at the outset.

These are not Apprentices (several of our clients have apprentices and are very impressed with them, if we could have apprentices I would but there are no specific courses for them) this lot are post A-Level and supposed to want this experience to reinforce Uni applications!

We are in the Hope Valley - hardly a wilderness but yes the pavements do stop and the white fluffy things are sheep not crashed clouds. The travel excuses are unreal, are you seriously suggesting that a 2 bus/train-bus journey for 20 days will shatter their work life balance - get a grip!

Strange nearly every young person i meet want to chat and is intrested in what we do, sometimes the ones who are not intrested have been given the rebuff before by employers just wanting free labour.

Regardless of whether the children come here to work in the future it's a net gain for 'UK plc'

Figures?

you assume we're already at least breaking even which is an interesting view point I'll give you that.

Rodger the cat - do you know the price of train tickets into hope? It's ****ing 9 quid single from Marple!! P.s can have I job please, I could commute via Jacobs ladder

@Banks - yep I am aware of the cost of the tickets which is why we offered to pay.

Er, I think the issue is to do with the kids not residing in the UK

Child benefit is not paid to children, it's paid to adults to help them support their kids. Not really relevant where the child lives, is it?

Incidentally, I am probably part of this stat since my daughter was resident in Poland this year for several months whilst I received Child Benefit. I spent it on Lech and Sopotska 😈

Yoofs today. So I'm driving along in suburban traffic. It's stop start. It's cold and wet. There's a gang of youth on the pavement moving against the flow of traffic.

All of a sudden there's a commotion. Some of the yoof jump into the road and stop the traffic. One youth moves faster than the rest. He's back on the pavement in a flash, with a cat in his arms. The cat has been hit by a car. It's injured. The yoof has scooped it out of the road.

Yoofs today eh?
They ain't all bad.
SB

PS - The cat was OK.

Ha ha ha. You're all so blinkered it's unreal. The school in which I attempt to teach needs a word which describes a point beyond apathy. Can't do it, most said phrase. Won't try is the most realistic explanation. Amazing number of eastern European kids, some work and try really hard some could be locals with their attitude. Kids are proud to have been in supervision or on report. They come to school with blackberrys and iPhones but no coat and no socks under their shoes. The fights are beyond crime stoppers, there's a reasonable drug issue and plenty of multiplication going on, not the maths type either.
So while all that is going on we as teachers are expected to write a lesson that's appropriate to every kids level and they are all to aspire to university or college.
Oh and there are so many kids with two or three levels of unemployment in their family, they know the forms to fill out and how to work the system. Future.................no idea.

Roger do you travel to work by car, or a short bike ride? Would you consider a job that required 3 to 4 hours on public transport each day, with no other option?
I've tried that lifestyle, it broke me in 18 months. Some people can manage it, but it wasn't for me and so it would seem not for the academy youth.
It's disappointing when your ideas are rejected but full marks for offering a chance, maybe try again next year?

@ Sandwich ^^^ - I think the point the OP is getting at is that this for 4 weeks of experience. It ISN'T a full time position, so no one would have to endure 3-4hrs of public transport daily for 4 weeks.

Pretty sure if I could find a way to give me an edge amongst hundreds of other people applying for the same thing I would be willing to put up with 4 weeks of long commutes! Especially if the transport is pre-paid!

PS - The cat was OK.

How old was the cat? I bet it was a yoof, mucking around in the road like that. I bet it had been drinking too, and on drugs no doubt.

"Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers."
Socrates 469bc-399bc

A friend lectures at a midlands university and often have potential students turning up with their parents who then proceed to answer all the questions for their offspring. He doesn't hear a peep out of the kid at all the whole time!

What chance do they have if they can't even display the initiative to answer questions themselves?

A friend of mine is a tutor at a college for construction skills.

They have been given the funding and permission to offer a cash incentive to students upon completion of modules. It now seems this isn't proving as big a hook as necessary as absence is rising and new enrollment falling.

Now they are beginning to offer approx £10 a week for attendance. This friend has stated that attendance has risen once again, albeit probably temporarily. He has been openly told by a few of the students that they do it for the phone credit/weed/beer money. They have now even bought a minibus to go around and pick the students up in a morning.

I know, ridiculous isn't it BUT

You can't tar [i]all[/i] youth with this brush and more importantly even the 'dossers' are only a product of their environment. It's not a genetically hard wired trait. Most of them are made to feel that by a certain age they should no longer be where they are, living in houses with their parents who themselves feel shafted, parents who will question why their own child is wasting their time going to such courses when there aren't even any jobs to land at the end of it all.

It takes a strong willed child not to become embroiled in all the negativity that surrounds them. Be it on the news every day or from the mouths of the people that keep them sheltered and fed.

Blinkin flip we got one!!
Young man named Hassan has stepped up.
Sounds very keen and determined.
Meeting him Monday for the interview - I will report back.
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