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That's true, which is why my looking at XC90 T8 Hybrids got as far as finding out the real world mpg. A 2l petrol in a giant SUV is never going to work once the battery is depleted. 303bhp in that Polestar from ICE alone.
I'm fairly sure that the battery will be kept at a level where (under normal driving) it always has enough power for a burst (how long could you use it for in every day driving? 4 seconds?) - after the electrical range is depleted it'll just be recharged during braking or taxing the engine when not on full throttle. It may not work on track (due to the ratio of throttle/braking periods) but in normal driving it should be available to release 400bhp nearly all the time.
Get a proper ‘M’ car and thats a proper sports car, will feel a world different to any luke warm BMW
no BMW since maybe the 1st gen z4 has been a "proper sports car" - M cars may drive well, but they're big, heavy lumps that are seriously compromised to allow for the packaging and comfort that a large saloon car requires. A proper sports car cuts these compromises very differently and drives better as a result. That's not really relevent here because you can't get a sports car with the seats & boot of a 3-series estate
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR
Now, that I quite like.
However, these 400bhp PHEV vehicles (see also Range Rover P400e) aren’t really that are they? They are usually a 300(ish) 2l with an electric boost (for as long as it lasts – probably not that long), or it get’s used up trundling about locally purely on the motors. That said a 2l in a Volvo estate is going to fare better than in a big Range Rover
But – I am going to research and see if real world usage of these proves me wrong and it might well be on the list – especially if the emissions will make it beneficial to buy through the Ltd company (usually not)
One of the bigwigs at work has a p400e, I was and am dubious but he reckons it works really well and the ICE alone is plenty torquey enough. 🤷♂️
Volvo V60 T8
What a horrible drivetrain on otherwise nice car. On snowy roads you don't know whether it is going to understeer or oversteer, it is possible to force 4WD on but that will eat the EV mileage.
I see what you mean, the roads are always covered in snow round here. I don't understand people when they say they're getting a 4WD/SUV "for when it snows" when we have at most around 10 days where snow actually sits on the roads enough to cause problems.
However, these 400bhp PHEV vehicles (see also Range Rover P400e) aren’t really that are they? They are usually a 300(ish) 2l with an electric boost (for as long as it lasts – probably not that long),
well how long do you need 400bhp for? any street use of that power is going to be followed by a period of constant speed or braking.
travelling at a constant 70mph on flat ground uses 35-45bhp, so ample spare power from the 300 petrol horses to top the battery back up.
With modern motors giving high torque from zero and more importantly the software to wrangle it, thats going to be a better performing, and more efficient car than a 3litre turbo or 4litre NA engine producing the same nominal max bhp.
I don’t understand why this would be an itch. A fast estate is a sad compromise. If I want a performance car I want a performance car. A fast estate is the car you begrudgingly end up with because you weren’t allowed or couldn’t justify the one you actually wanted. Making it diesel too just makes it even more tragic.
After the dust settles everyone else then ends up sharing the roads with frustrated man-children driving the BMW and Audi estates they fail to understand were never what they wanted, driving unreasonably to somehow convince themselves they’re happy with their life choices and owning the sad unconvincing compromises they were manipulated into lusting over.
I don’t understand why this would be an itch. A fast estate is a sad compromise. If I want a performance car I want a performance car. A fast estate is the car you begrudgingly end up with because you weren’t allowed or couldn’t justify the one you actually wanted. Making it diesel too just makes it even more tragic.
I'd disagree. Nearly all the driving I do is either with the kids, or solo is with a bike or a surfboard, as I'm going somewhere to ride my bike or surf. I like a car that's nice to drive, but there's no point in having a boxster as I'd never have a reason to drive it, so getting something thats just practical enough to get me and my kit to where I'm going, but still provides the performance and handling I want is the right compromise.
In my case I get away with a GT86, but if I had a longer surfboard or needed 2 people in the car at the same time as kit, something a bit bigger would be required.
After the dust settles everyone else then ends up sharing the roads with frustrated man-children driving the BMW and Audi estates they fail to understand were never what they wanted, driving unreasonably to somehow convince themselves they’re happy with their life choices and owning the sad unconvincing compromises they were manipulated into lusting over.
That load of twaddle was almost poetic.
Did it flow from your conciousness, or take a while to compile?
I like a car that’s nice to drive
Then get something like a Merc E class estate - you get out the other end completely relaxed.
I am with Zomg - marketing makes you lust after these are 'sports cars' and if you are happy paying big sums of money for an average car that is quick then go ahead. As above I would argue they are worst of both worlds. Trying to be sporty but failing, trying to be comfortable but failing.
In my case I get away with a GT86
If you went to a 335d etc you would immediately wish you had your GT86 back!
That load of twaddle was almost poetic.
kinda right though...
I wanted a fast estate. Looked at Mercedes C class (E was too big), BMW 3 series (not a great boot and Mrs TiRed didn't like the steering wheel - small hands), and the Volvo V60. I liked the V60 a lot - definite head choice, nothing to dislike except the screen touch controls and high centre console. But in the end went for a Macan V6 diesel. Same engine as stepfather's Jaguar. And I didn't want/need a Diesel engine, and I definitely didn't want another SUV! It's great drive. Nicer than the Volvo, and up with the BMW.
Last car was an M520d - it was bloody lovely to drive, incredibly relaxing and very comfortable. Never felt like it was a sports car though it was adequately quick and would take a bike in the back no problem if you took the front wheel off. It was massive though and weighted the best part of 2 tonnes. I can see why you'd have a quick estate rather than something quick and another family wagon, especially if space or funds are tight.
Why TF is everyone so damn judgemental on this site when it comes to car choice?
If we're now onto sharing our individual perversions for slightly obscure fast estate PHEVs, I'm going to publicly admit to my unhealthy desire to own a Peugeot 508 Sport Engineered. Yes please.
Why TF is everyone so damn judgemental on this site when it comes to car choice?
I agree, but...
M520d
No such thing!
I’d just like to say that I couldn’t afford the Audi or BMW I probably really wanted. But I’ve ended up with a Golf R Estate which I think is just wonderful. I also had a GTD estate, but I really much prefer the petrol to the diesel. The diesel was much more economical of course. But I still smile almost every single time I look at, sit in, or hear my R start up.
If we’re now onto sharing our individual perversions for slightly obscure fast estate PHEVs, I’m going to publicly admit to my unhealthy desire to own a Peugeot 508 Sport Engineered
I like that too, but....
Auto Express long term review
Mileage: 5,704
Economy: 35.2mpg
What's the point, apart from reps getting a low BIK?
Regarding the phev, when I bought my Cupra (300hp petrol) I was given a Cupra Phev for 3 days while mine was being prepped. I really didn’t enjoy it, 245hp but then it felt like it dropped to 140 or something. That was a good mix of town and motorway journey.
Peugeot 508 Sport Engineered
Can I be the first to say "Meh"?
People dont use PHEV's properly. Autoexpress clearly arent driving that 508 correctly and never charge it up.
I have a mazda CX60 PHEV (not the OP's target car) it gets over 60mpg and does loads and loads of long journeys. This week over 1000 motorway miles, last week 600 and it is a 2.5 petrol.
As for performance estates surely an oxymoron!get a nice car sure, but dont bother with the massive engine, estates handle like crap compared to priper performance cars
zomg
Full MemberI don’t understand why this would be an itch. A fast estate is a sad compromise. If I want a performance car I want a performance car. A fast estate is the car you begrudgingly end up with because you weren’t allowed or couldn’t justify the one you actually wanted. Making it diesel too just makes it even more tragic.
After the dust settles everyone else then ends up sharing the roads with frustrated man-children driving the BMW and Audi estates they fail to understand were never what they wanted, driving unreasonably to somehow convince themselves they’re happy with their life choices and owning the sad unconvincing compromises they were manipulated into lusting over.
LMAO you're entitled to your opinion but what a big old load of arse that is.
As for performance estates surely an oxymoron!get a nice car sure, but dont bother with the massive engine, estates handle like crap compared to priper performance cars
Again, you're entitled to your opinion but do you really think you'd drive a Taycan CT and tell me they handle like crap then? Or a D3 S Touring? Or an M3/M5 Touring? Or an RS6 Avant? Or an C63 wagon? Or an Evo IX wagon?
Come on. An Elise is not the only way to have a performance car.
I love my performance cars, but to be fair my Merc AMG GLC 43 handled like a dog. Nice place to be, straight line was nice. Long steady journeys were nice, but clattered and jarred over every piece of rough road. From a driving perspective I much prefer the drive from my smaller lighter Cupra.
I completely get why people want and need sporty estates…….I’ve just ordered another fast SUV (Audi this time), but if I could I’d rather stick with the Cupra.
I previously had an E91 335d and it was amazing (with the obligatory remap) and returned reasonable economy. I've not driven more modern BMW diesel but my wife's F31 340i handles significantly better than the E91 did, while also having better ride quality too (adaptive dampers set to soft might help here). I'd imagine a diesel version would be great too.
As for the naysayers for fast estate cars, if you want to have the other attributes of a premium car (comfort, low noise, good seats etc), a fast model can actually make sense financially. If you drive under 10k miles a year, the fuel cost is low, but the depreciation is much lower than a regular model, so it evens out if you keep the car for a long time. So you can have the performance for little extra cost. Also it can be easier to find a well spec'ed and we'll looked after used fast estate than a regular model.
An estate won't handle noticeably differently to any other body style on the same platform, so a 340m diesel estate will handle just the same as a 440i coupe, and the M3 estate will handle just like the M4 coupe. None of them will handle like a boxster, gt86 or Elise, but that's not because of the body style, it's because they're massive heavy lumps
I disagree on that point. With watches, there are watches that are feats of minature engineering excellence which should be celebrated as such. Sure, a Casio F series will tell you the time for about £20, but doesn’t have the engineering excellence of other watches.
The guy who started Elliot Brown explained watches to me as male jewellery. Most men don't wear any other form of self-adornment, so a nice watch fits into that 'need' / want. Obviously f you genuinely get enthused about the insides of watches, that's also an explanation or maybe a rationalisation in the strict sense. You decide.
I'd venture that a lot of top-end cars are the same. Jewellery on a very large scale - 'look at me, I can afford a really big, fast, expensive car. I have exquisite taste and lots of money and drive really fast, sorry enjoy 'spirited driving'.... etc.' And that's before you factor in all the Freudian stuff.
I used to ride very, very fast motorcycles and, in honesty, find fast cars underwhelming. Still knocking around in a beaten-up Mk2 Golf GTi and wearing a beaten-up Elliot Brown Canford watch. Can't say a fast diesel estate is an itch I'd ever contemplate scratching, if I did, I'd probably seek medical advice. YMMV.
And that’s before you factor in all the Freudian stuff.
If Freud were alive today he'd be able to double his contribution to psychonalysis just through study of the people obsessed with fast car:small willy correlation.
Or more politely put, 'status compensation through conspicuous consumption.'
However, allow me to introduce the Volvo V60 T8 Twin Engined Polestar Engineered
I hadn't realised the sheer complexity of that engine.
2.0l 4-cylinder petrol engine, with turbocharger AND supercharger, with a c50hp electric motor between that and the gearbox and another c90hp motor in the Haldex transmission. That's a LOT of parts to go wrong...
Auto Express long term review
Mileage: 5,704
Economy: 35.2mpgWhat’s the point, apart from reps getting a low BIK?
This is probably my biggest complaint of modern engine tech. Everything has been downsized to 2 litre turbos in the pursuit of efficiency, from 3l V6s, 6.2l V8s and 4.0l turbo V8s and so on. And yet the actual, real-world, efficiency figures are utter bobbins, and absolutely not worth the huge increase in vehicle weight, complexity and genericness. My old Audi with 4.2 V8 averaged around 20mpg; the fact that an equivalent 2l turbo 4-cylinder barely gets 30mpg is a nonsense.
@zomg I hope you had a nice cup of cocoa and a good night's sleep. Sounds like you had a really bad day yesterday. 🙃
Has anyone said Mercedes CLS yet? To be fair the diesel versions aren't especially quick.
I disagree that a sporty estate is a sad compromise. It's a glorious one. Of course it's not a replacement for an actual sports car, but that's not why they exist. They are for people who want a big car with room for people and gear, but also want to enjoy a windy road on the way. Not "enjoy" in the sense of ragging it, just flowing along with ease and comfort.
My old user name was greatlover bur MrsMC made my change it due to advertising standards…
Always undersell and over deliver!
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Not “enjoy” in the sense of ragging it, just flowing along with ease and comfort.
Agree thats the point I was making above. My e-class estate handle very well for a 2+ tonne tank and can go along any country road just fine up to about 7/10 whilst your just chilling. But there is no point trying to go any quicker. I used to drive quickly every where. I now drive slowly and chilled. But still miss a proper sports car hence saving for a Caterham
Just google my e-class and the 0-60 is 7.5 seconds which surprised me, I thought it felt slower than that. I really dont see the advantage of being able to do that in 4.5 seconds as some of these fast estates can. I do like the idea of a more silky engine though that would be the icing on the cake.
I just cant see the point in spending many thousands more to do that in any of these estate cars to get something that is compromised (apart from M3 estate)
As to estate v saloon handling. My BMW 320d estate was more fun to drive than my 330i saloon. The 320 was softer sprung, less low profiled tyres, less power. So you could actually drive it quicker, make the back end slide etc. The 330 required silly speeds to do the same, would let go with less warning, and actually was a pig to drive at the edge of grip.
I haven’t got one but I did have use of one for a week, an absolute blast, loved it.
Well I like a fast estate!!! Ran a mk7 Golf R for two years, loved it. Easily got 40mpg on long journeys.
Currently got a 2 litre diesel Quattro A6 estate. 200bhp. Not especially zoomy but plenty fast enough in a usable way. Very pleasant place to be for not silly money.
Can’t say a fast diesel estate is an itch I’d ever contemplate scratching, if I did, I’d probably seek medical advice
Thread title probably a bit misleading
A diesel estate probably suits my requirements at the moment for the following reasons
Driving the Discovery all week for work, getting the inside and outside clarted up with mud, then using it to go anywhere at the weekend is getting a bit meh
Most of the vehicles I've had have been diesels - I don't mind a torquey diesel engine. 700nm in the 340d. If you're just used to driving a petrol, the low down torque of a meaty diesel can be quite fun.
I like estates - far more practical than saloons, can't really think of a car I want at the moment that's a hatch. A lot of newer estates (tourers) don't look anywhere near as crap as they used to.
Will be used for work occassionally - some tools/gear
After the last car, Mrs STR wouldn't be too keen on another sports car (ok, the RS5 wasn't a sports car - performance saloon) as it frightened the life out of her. Most of the time a diesel estate won't be urging you to 'drive it' - the Audi worked best at 4000-8000rpm with a screaming V8
If I'm having one, I want it to have some power. Can't stand driving underpowered vehicles
So the BMW bit - after being a passenger in a mapped 330/335?d convertible a few years ago, I was astounded at how rapid it was, so for a few years, have always thought I'd probably get a beemer oil burner at some point if it suited my requirements. Haven't been that keen on the styling, or interior of recent 3 series, but don't mind the current iteration
So, no - I'm not lusting after a fast diesel esteate per se, it's just something I am considering and this particular car has piqued my interest
Saw a VW Arteon shooting brake R Line estate parked up the other day in a shade of grey.
Looked the nuts.
Saw a VW Arteon shooting brake R Line estate parked up the other day in a shade of grey.
Looked the nuts.
Yeah, they are nice. They only do a 2l 4-pot though. I like my diesels with 6 (or 8) cylinders
Just get a Unimog
4 pot was all the rage on here once! 😄
I’ve done the fast estate thing but when the last one got pinched I didn’t go for another since I didn’t want the hassle/risk of another being nicked (or house broken into). I’m now driving a Volvo XC60 PHEV and it’s fine. It’s doesn’t handle but non of the estates discussed here are sports cars, its plenty quick enough for normal driving, it’s economical and the Volvo is a relaxing place to sit/drive. I leave “sports car handling” to track days.
I used to ride very, very fast motorcycles and, in honesty, find fast cars underwhelming.
Me too, which is why I still reckon circa 200bhp is 'enough' in a car - +140mph, sub 7 sec 0-60, 40mph-70mph in 5 sec and the best part of 50mpg.
Do you need anything more than a BMW 320d? - Chris Harris on Cars (youtube.com)
Save cash, buy more bikes.
As the owner of a 204bhp diesel estate I agree. It's fast enough to pass things with ease, and does get over 50mpg. It's much quicker than a reasonable pace for public roads.
circa 200bhp is ‘enough’ in a car – +140mph, sub 7 sec 0-60, 40mph-70mph
Those are pretty much the exact figures for the orignal 1980 Audi Quattro. Funny how what were exceptional numbers have become 'enough'. I remember my first ride in a Quattro being used to the full extent of its possibilities and it was clearly 'far too much' on any road open to the public.
That's the thing about fast cars - it's like good coffee or wine. After a while, what seemed amazing now just seems normal, and what seemed perfectly acceptable before now seems rubbish.
However, what continues to impress me about my fast-ish car isn't the speed, it's the ease and comfort with which it drives on windy roads, and that's down to the "geometry" to make a cycling analogy, not the power.
“Look at those status obsessed idiots who like fast cars or expensive watches, they must have very small willies. Meanwhile one may assume that I have a enormous willy because I prefer very fast bikes and adorn my wrist with only moderately overpriced watches. I like my adornments to wear a certain ‘beaten-up‘ patina so people absolutely definitely know that I absolutely definitely am not interested in fast cars or expensive watches because then I would surely have a very small willy.”
I don't think I ever mentioned willies at all. You seem a bit touchy and obsessed with willies. I'm not sure just mentioning Freud is quite the same thing. Fwiw, I'm not knocking fast cars or owning them. Or posh watches. But they are sort of very expensive jewellery. Or toys depending on how you look at them. I can't really afford a proper fast car - I have a VR6 Corrado as well, but it's not proper fast, it's just that I like it and like the noise and feel of the VR6 motor.
But yes, you're probably right, I'm very worried about my masculinity and over-compensate by not over-compensating. Or something like that.
Fwiw, I was given my 'moderately expensive watch', I would never have spent 300 odd quid on a watch, but it turns out I quite like it.
I enjoy a nice thing or two... And though I've never really been 'into' cars, having recently got a nice EV, it's really fun to have and drive..
It's got a tonne bunch of BHP and torque (currently at 476bhp) but it's such a simple and nice thing to drive..
Yeah, I'm never going to use ALL that power ALL the time, but the acceleration to speed is incredible and useful at times.
Plus... Moar powah!
DrP
Fwiw, I was given my ‘moderately expensive watch’, I would never have spent 300 odd quid on a watch, but it turns out I quite like it.
Whether anyone is interested or not, my leanings have changed again...
The 'estate tax' on the 3 series is quite big - can get much better specced saloons for same/less money. Not sure I want a 3 series saloon.
Partly due to suggestions on here, started looking at E400d's (wasn't keen on a Merc, but). Better specced than a BMW for the price point. Similar performance, but probably (definitely) not as nimble. A mid-luxury motorway cruiser would appeal more to Mrs STR anyway.
Looks like a taxi, but I quite like it...
Perhaps you can ask your overpaid/underworked employees to chip in? This would give them a better stake in the business, show them that advert at snap time and see what they think?
mmmm chintz lets everyone know you're knob.
Looks like a taxi, but I quite like it…
Each to their own, but I was a taxi passenger in one of those recently. The interior is beyond hideous. Stupid uni-screen, with tackiest dial design I'd ever seen and pulsing lightshow like some kind of cheap strip club. I'm sure lots of it can be turned off, but the fundamental design language is a million miles away from anything I'd ever want to own.
From the side those Merc saloons look like an elephant has sat on the boot - it's the drooping swage line. Makes them look a bit sad.
Just IMO of course! 🙂
I looked at Mercs and Audis when I last changed mine but ended up back in a BMW.
The interior of most modern Mercs looks like it has been designed for the Chinese market and were hideously bling so were automatically discounted. Audi just drove very dull and the s line ride wasn’t good
In the end one of my main factors was I love the opening window in the boot of BMW estates. I’m in and out of the boot regularly getting dog in etc and that feature just works for me. Load dog, close boot open window. Change shoes/boots etc load them and close. Handy for just popping some shopping in the boot.
"Perhaps you can ask your overpaid/underworked employees to chip in? This would give them a better stake in the business, show them that advert at snap time and see what they think?"
What the actual **** has your random crappy comment got to do with anything?
The ‘estate tax’ on the 3 series is quite big
I'm seeing the same thing on older (F10/11) 5-series as well but only by about £500-1000 on a £10k budget. Availability will be the main thing I think, twice the amount of saloons to estates in the range I am looking at. I did look at W212 E220CDi Estates but they're bit minging and the interior is nowhere near as nice.
I don't know anything about company car tax now, but if you get stung massively for tax why not just buy privately?
I'm guessing even with the tax it works out cheaper than private or people wouldn't do it?
I didn’t make the comment without thought. I do find it crass and a touch insensitive sometimes when posters discuss the dilemma of spending huge amounts of money on a vehicle on a forum where some members are trying to get by with an old banger, there is an element of the “look at me”! I can just about tolerate the watch buyers as they’re buying a work of fine engineering that shouldn’t depreciate, I can appreciate the coffee grinders as they get something to drink.. However I can’t ignore the contradiction of this thread discussing the spending of vast sums of money on a car and the thread by the OP where his workers were forbidden from discussing their pay - “ Money is explicitly not to be discussed on site as it causes issues”.
I'm ignoring the discussing money on site comment because it's been done and has nothing to do with a thread about cars.
Buying a 4 year old diesel family saloon on finance is hardly a brag.
I'm sorry if some people haven't got as much money as they'd wish, but this forum isn't 'poverty track world' where there's a veto on spending money. I'm certainly not rolling in it by any means. Reasonably comfortable would probably be a fair assessment.
And there's no slavery going on on my sites, so give it a rest please. Just for the record, the car I posted is around the equivalent of 1.5-2 weeks current wage bill including bona fide sub contractors.
Back to cars, you've all put me off the Merc now anyway 🤣
"I don’t know anything about company car tax now, but if you get stung massively for tax why not just buy privately?
I’m guessing even with the tax it works out cheaper than private or people wouldn’t do it?"
Oh for sure. Any car purchase would be private. No benefits to putting a diesel car through the business at all
It has got me thinking though. Just watch out for my post in the pick up BIK thread 🤣
I wouldn't be put off by the bmw estate tax, you'll find it's better for residuals when you sell it. I sold my last bmw estate (privately) within a week at the same high price dealers were asking. You won't manage that with a saloon.
Yeah fair point ^^
Anyway....🤔
This could turn out to be a complete (erm, semi) U turn in my thinking....
That looks pretty conservative to me, visually.
I'll just chuck a couple of pics into the thread:
And I'll sneak this in cheekily:
That looks pretty conservative to me, visually.
Don't know if you've picked up on it, but it's the E-Tron S Quattro Vorsprung. 500bhp, 0-60 4.5s
Would buy through the business and (need to confirm with the accountant) can write down 18%/year - which I think has to reduce to 9% if used for personal use. Could write down 100% as AIA if it was brand new, so there are other vehicles to consider. Still, that would be £5k/year against corporation tax. 2% BIK and leccy charging costs to the business. It would be used for some business use when I don't need a van full of tools and I'm not getting ridiculously muddy.
That should get the BIK tax dodge frothers, erm frothing. But it's an EV, so it fine, eh? 😉
I’ll just chuck a couple of pics into the thread:
The CLS is nice, I like that
Not really wanting an Audi A5 saloon (though I am an Audi fan)
The Ioniq is next level fugly
E-Tron S Quattro Vorsprung. 500bhp, 0-60 4.5s
What's the 'whoosh' equvalent of "BBBBRRRAAAAAAAPPPPPPP"!!
I like that - not a fan of SUVs, but that's low enough to look like a 'slightly tall estate'..
I'd go for that if i were after a fast car, TBH..
DrP
It's a fast EV SUV - I still prefer my cars to be car shaped, i.e. not massive just because 'it's what consumers want'. In reality the car companies sell them because they have higher margins. Anyway, that's my tuppence.
Going back to the fast diesel estate theme, I've just put a deposit on a F10 BMW 535d. 309bhp, 0-60 in 5.5s.
Don’t know if you’ve picked up on it, but it’s the E-Tron S Quattro Vorsprung. 500bhp, 0-60 4.5s
I meant that it looks fairly conservative, aesthetically. Like a typical SUV. The CLS is a step above in terms of design quality I reckon. There's one near us* that I see occasionally, looks flippin amazing in real life - not least because they are really big and low.
* There's also one on my drive but it's an older model and an estate, which, much as I now love it, does not look as good as the saloon.
A much better looking Audi is the E-Tron GT:
A much better looking Audi is the E-Tron GT
Yeah, I like the GT, but would always wish it was an RS. Probably not the ideal vehicle for my customer to see me rock up on site in though
Same for the Taycan
Here you go!but that’s low enough to look like a ‘slightly tall estate’
Looks are deceiving - mainly because it has wheels with a diameter last seen on a stagecoach. They're 22", the car weighs 2655kg, and is bigger than many poor peoples' houses.
"Here you go!"
You clearly aren't interested in cars and are just in this thread to troll.
Be a good boy and kindly piss off somewhere else, thanks
Probably not the ideal vehicle for my customer to see me rock up on site in though
Are any of these?
molgrips
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Probably not the ideal vehicle for my customer to see me rock up on site in thoughAre any of these?
People are strange. I turned up on a a Saturday at a clients, using my personal car rather than a van (because I was going elsewhere after, wouldn’t want to invoke the wrath of the BIK pedants).
Someone copped the hump about me turning up in a Porsche, despite it being worth less than the van by a long way.
I thought they were joking when they moaned.
We lost the contract, I was pleased as they wanted everything out of hours, which is a pain in the arse.
ioniq 5 n if you want a fast, newish, (relatively) cheap, tax-efficient family conveyance. 650bhp, 60 in under 3.5 seconds, really fast charging (10-80% in 17 minutes) doesn't look too flashy at a customer site, isn't an SUV. Reviews are fairly positive.
The Ioniq 5N also has a simulated V8 engine sound that not only goes up through the gears when accelerating, but it also lets you go BRRMM BRMMM by pressing the accelerator when stationary.
If you want understated speed, there's always the Volvo EX30 twin motor which does 0-62 in 3.6s but still looks like a normal compact SUV.
"Are any of these?"
Nowt up with a BMW estate, or Merc saloon turning up. There were no issues when I bought a brand new Discovery a couple of years ago. The E-Tron is about as flash as I'd go - but in your words looks reasonably conservative. Points for turning up on a large scale solar farm in an EV too. Just feel an E-tron GT looks a bit too flashy for some reason. One of the other contractors drives a Mercedes GLE
"ioniq 5"
The interior and exterior leave me cold tbh
For people who haven’t read further up in the thread, this is what I put -
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I didn’t make the comment without thought. I do find it crass and a touch insensitive sometimes when posters discuss the dilemma of spending huge amounts of money on a vehicle on a forum where some members are trying to get by with an old banger, there is an element of the “look at me”! I can just about tolerate the watch buyers as they’re buying a work of fine engineering that shouldn’t depreciate, I can appreciate the coffee grinders as they get something to drink.. However I can’t ignore the contradiction of this thread discussing the spending of vast sums of money on a car and the thread by the OP where his workers were forbidden from discussing their pay – “ Money is explicitly not to be discussed on site as it causes issues”.” The Little Tikes car suggestion was a little bit of fun, although it could be argued that it gives more fun per pound!
As for the accusations of trolling and the rudeness, I think it’s quite legitimate for me to comment on this thread. It’s a cycling forum first and foremost with very welcome diversions into all facets of life. You’re quite right, I’ve not much interest in high performance cars for the road (ICE or electric) there is no need, and no space on British roads for the speeds that they’re capable of. I know a defence is that you won’t use all that power or exceed the speed limits, if so then what’s the point of using so much of the earth’s finite resources just for ego? The temptation will be there and fantastically high speeds are only a toe twitch away, I see it every day where I live, madness. It’s a bit like E-bikers who “tweak” their bikes but then say that they don’t use the extra power, but you do don’t you? Occasionally I get the urge to unleash all the power in my 34 year old Land-Rover and when in my wife’s 11 year old Mokka I have to be very careful!
I’m a supporter of more 20mph limits, low traffic neighbourhoods and low impact travel, I think these aims align with cycling a lot better than the behemoth’s pictured above, Little Tikes car excepted!