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Been looking at G21 BMW M340d Touring - 2020'ish
Nice looking place to sit, 340bhp, 700Nm, 0-60 4.8s, 35-55mpg, X-drive with rear wheel bias.
Gets absolutely rave reviews as a drivers car. Anyone got one?
No, but when I saw the thread title, that was exactly what I was going to suggest.
Got a 335d Xdrive touring. It’s great, 313bhp I think, very quick and good handling. Easy to average 40mpg with mixed driving.
They map up to a comfortable 370bhp so I’d expect a sub 4.5 seconds 0-60 at that.
Kramer +1
I'm trying to decide whether to remap my 320d F31 which is by far cheaper but will it wear things out prematurely, or go for the full G21 M340d for all the mod cons.
Thing is, I've been reading the pension & savings threads too much and now cant bear to spend money 😀
Saw a nice looking Mercedes AMG one in black earlier on, very smart. The chap came right up behind me on way into a roundabout when I was coming home, I don’t think he realised I was in an EV after we went through it and both accelerated a bit.. 🤪
340d
E400d
Pick your size, mid or full. Got a 2017 535d currently and if I stay diesel the E400d is my next car.
Audi S4 has been a diesel for a few years now so worth a comparison perhaps.
I don't rate the E-class as a nice drive. They always feel light at the back and nervous under braking. They also sound noisy inside. I really like the styling and interior, but sadly it'd be a no for me. The BMW is almost the opposite. I like the drive, but hate the exterior. The interior is quite nice, but the Merc feels better in all but the most exclusive trims.
Saw thread title and came here to say m340d.
Boss has one and it's quick enough and fits in the kids, dogs and their associated stuff
I don’t understand why people get small-medium sized estates. Surely you’d want a big one to move stuff?
otherwise get an equivalent sized hatchback
They're generally bigger and with a more practical loadspace than a hatchback, usually have a fold flat floor, usually have a guard for the rear load area (so you can fill it without things coming into the cabin in a crash) but are nimble enough (especially a RWD BMW) to be able to park almost anywhere even in small space or tight car parks. I've never felt the need for anything bigger than our 20y old 3 series and that's with 2 kids, bikes and weekends away. Air suspension could be useful, but space is always fine. tight, but fine. Optimal you might say.
I don't know what people do with 340 bhp in a country with speed limits the least powerful estate you can buy will exceed by enough to lose you your licence. That's when not crawling in traffic or in a stream of so many cars already around the limit that there's no point overtaking.
I suppose this is another thread like the watch thread, spending silly amounts of money on something a Casio does better.
In that case Educator, you won’t be interested. Move along, nothing for you to see here.
On the contrary it's fascinating comparing what people write here with what they contribute to the green tax thread. And what they write on cycling safety or public health and being ill all Winter etc..
Whatever you choose in this category it:
a) will be as expensive as the Landy to fix if it goes wrong
b) had better have good brake lights (possibly 🤔)
😉
@Edukator +1
Even in the only country at you could perhaps justify it, Germany, a 130hp Passat will do the same job and still kill you.
Bigger engines with more torque make sense in vehicles that are designed to move heavy loads, such as vans or trucks.
I don’t know what people do with 340 bhp in a country with speed limits
You could say that about almost any car.
I changed my slow old XC90 for something with quite a lot more power and it's so much better for overtaking old dears, caravans, etc.
I dont really drive any faster than I did before, but having ample power available I think makes driving more relaxing and safer.*
Not everyone lives in a built up area - I very regularly do a 100 mile journey that is 60% dual carriageway and 40% fairly open A road.
* I'm 60, no points and not had an accident in about 18 years - even then it was someone driving into me.
I also drive a 1L Fiesta which is great!
Bigger engines with more torque make sense in vehicles that are designed to move heavy loads
I also use it to tow my 2 ton boat and trailer combo.
I suppose this is another thread like the watch thread, spending silly amounts of money on something a Casio does better.
I disagree on that point. With watches, there are watches that are feats of minature engineering excellence which should be celebrated as such. Sure, a Casio F series will tell you the time for about £20, but doesn’t have the engineering excellence of other watches. The question that’s needs to be understood and that some of the watch nerds on that thread are seeking is how do I own something of such enduring quality.
Everyone’s context may be different and might not fit with yours.
People buy things on emotion, feel and pure want!
I bet everyone saying these cars are pointless also have things in their homes that are pointless and wouldn't pass the spreadsheet 'is it sensible' test.
Yup it's the "ownership" that does it for some people rather than having something that is practical and does the job. A Dacia Jogger does the job of being an estate car better than BMW touring in that is has a more voluminious load space whilst consuming much less petrol than the BWM does diesel and producing lower volumes of ultrafine particles - roll on Euro 7.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_22_6496
Well didn’t this thread suddenly become very preachy.
honestly, I think it’s much more polite to simply keep your nose out of threads where people are sharing interests that you’re personally uninterested in. Coming into a thread with the specific intention of raining on someone’s parade is pretty small minded imo.
Isn't this just a normal STW thread?
It goes like this:
I like lemons, can anyone recommend a new lemon or something similar but betterererer?
The lemon fans jump in
The lime boys pile in too, stating that limes are so much better.
Someone says that you're an eco monster for liking lemons. Another person adds your lemon is going to kill my kid due to condition ABC
Then right at the end that weird person who loves a pomelo starts a fight. Nobody likes pomelo
What the **** is a pomelo?
Obviously a Dacia Jogger isn't fast. Red card.
On the contrary it’s fascinating comparing what people write here with what they contribute to the green tax thread
I am 55 years old this year, and have lusted after "performance" cars all my life, whether that's a Lambo or an Octavia VRS.
I know they are shit for the environment, need to be taxed to the hilt and will be phased out. But if I get to the financing position to own one before they all go, then I will get one before they go, enjoy it, and enjoy paying whatever green tax is required to offset my stupidity.
What the * is a pomelo?
F knows, but I like oranges
Casio F series will tell you the time for about £20, but doesn’t have the engineering excellence of other watches.
Engineering excellence? I’d say that designing something that is more accurate, requires no maintenance (apart from a £1 battery every few years), is accessible to millions of people around the world, and can be sold at a profit for £20 is a much greater engineering achievement than something over complicated, less accurate, requires expensive services, and costs many many times more to make and buy.
Nope, you aren't comparing apples with apples.
My iPhone is a major technological advancement and is more accurate than my Omega, but my Omega is a mechanical device not reliance on computers, signals or technology - and is 1 second a month minimum as accurate.
A Dacia Jogger does the job of being an estate car better than BMW touring in that is has a more voluminious load space whilst consuming much less petrol than the BWM does diesel and producing lower volumes of ultrafine particles
You say that, but I thought I wanted a Dacia Jogger, because I'm skint and I like driving slowly while carrying lots of stuff. On close inspection they're total dog shit.
@johnhe - there are some 'contributors' to threads with, let's say, a particular slant to their posts; this includes, but not exclusively, the patronising tone.
Let's be honest, most casios look shit and are about as serviceable as a brick, despite the funkier ones costing silly money. Crap argument.
And a Dacia jogger looks like it'll be great but it's uncomfortable and a bit crap in everything except being ****ing big.
I've a tiny engined (sp?), estate car that's a joy to do motorway miles in but frustrating when caught behind a slow arse on country roads.
I can understand wanting a car with some poke for those times.
Just what we need , the Bhp police .
Why don't we all ride Carrera MTB.
Wear Casio calculator watches
Drink instant Nescafe
Go on holiday to Weston super mud
Drink Carling
There's a reason , because they're all £#1π
Nope, you aren’t comparing apples with apples.
I’m comparing watches with watches.
Another aspect of vehicle ownership to consider is perhaps the impression that it gives others? If you’re retired like me and don’t particularly care about image you could trundle around in a 33 year old Landrover however, if you’re in business perhaps there’s a need to be a bit more conscious? If you run a bicycle shop and run a top of the range Merc, some may think you’re successful and some may think you’re labour rates are too high and you don’t pay your mechanics enough. If your business involves “networking” at the golf club and the Masonic Hall then a top of the range Merc, Audi or BMW might be thought of as appropriate, it gives the right image even if you can’t afford it. If you run a construction/civil engineering company and pay people poorly on short contracts or zero hours then perhaps a bottom end Ford, Vauxhall or even Dacia may well fit the bill and ruffle the least feathers.
I’ll not go into my views on fast cars, I’ve entertained those on the appropriate threads.
As I said, ours will average 40mpg. I suspect some of that is through power savings we make by not using the indicators.
Nope, you aren’t comparing apples with apples.
But what about the pomelos?
I had a an 01 530d which i chucked a bigger turbo on and spent some time remapping, amongst other stuff
was epic fun, producing probably only a measly 260hp and weighing a good 1800kg, had it in both auto and manual form, would pull from about 1600rpm strongly, 3rd gear pulls were fun as hell as it would take you from 30 to illegal and beyond with no need to shift. And when i manual converted it would realistically average 40 odd mpg
the flipside of that (in auto form) it was the perfect cruiser
useless as an estate though, i believe modern 3 series are the same sort of size now
also the the most most time consuming car mechanically i have ever owned...went from that to my Mazda and the amount of personal time i have back from not fixing stuff....
pomelos
Aren't they French apples?
I don’t understand why people get small-medium sized estates. Surely you’d want a big one to move stuff?
otherwise get an equivalent sized hatchback
The car of choice topping my list at the moment is an M340d. The tourer is more practical than the saloon and (arguably) cooler. I don't need to lug huge loads, but there would be times for work when some loadspace will be handy. I don't want a hatchback 🤷
I don’t know what people do with 340 bhp in a country with speed limits the least powerful estate you can buy will exceed by enough to lose you your licence. That’s when not crawling in traffic or in a stream of so many cars already around the limit that there’s no point overtaking.
My last car was 450bhp. Ironically, the points I've had on my licence in the past 35 years were 30 odd years ago in a 1.7d Astra van and a couple of years ago in a Land Rover.
Re: some other suggestions - not a fan of Mercs at all tbh
I don’t think you can go wrong with a BMW estate as a daily driver, especially with the 6 pot diesel. Can just about squeeze 2 adults, 2 kids, dogs plus camping stuff etc in with a roof box.
I wanted rwd and preferred the smaller size of the earlier car so found a low mileage e91 335d lci (took months to find!). After some work it now has around 390bhp/820nm so no slouch but very easy to live with and relaxing to just potter around in.
Sure the 340d would be even better, you should deffo buy one.
A nice EV would be much faster and just as big inside 😁
i used to quite like a pomelo, I've not seen one for ages though.
my Omega is a mechanical device not reliance on computers, signals or technology – and is 1 second a month minimum as accurate
I don't wish to be impolite here but is it bollocks.
Feel free to go and research the watch, the tests, and test it yourself.
It’s probably worth pointing out that when all cars involved in the dieselgate scandal were checked using a fair system out on the road, the BMW 3litre diesel engine had the 3rd lowest NOx and co2 emissions of all cars tested. Only the Jaguar engines were better. They still didn’t pass the test (were it conducted on an open road) but they were very, very bloody close.
Had a 340i before and after it got nicked I changed to a 530d. Both in touring.
530d nicer place to sit, bigger boot, but although realistically as fast as the previous 340i it just misses that excitement. It’s extremely competent ( unless it snows) but just a bit dull in comparison. Friend has moved opposite way from a 330d to a 540i and is loving it.
If you want fun go for petrol. Otherwise a fast diesel is just that. Fast but somewhat dull
Ive a 530d xdrive 50plus mpg.... love it
But
More cash... d5 alpina....
Wear Casio calculator watches
I was having some of my old tattoos touched up last week, and I noticed that my tattooist was wearing a Casio calculator watch, and the woman who owns the studio was wearing a gold one: I hadn’t seen one for years and they’ve re-introduced them.
I’ve built up a collection of mechanical watches, as anyone who’s been on the watch thread knows, but I’m happily wearing a Casio ‘CasiOak’ analog, which I’m really happy with, it’s nice and light for a change.
However, as another Casio I own shows, just ‘cos they’re all electronic, doesn’t mean it guarantees accuracy that’s any better than a mechanical watch, because it really doesn’t, plus it’s a real pig to adjust because it gains about a minute a week, and it can’t be wound back, only forwards, holding a stupid little button down for what seems like an eternity, or at least until the heat death of the universe.
Nope, you aren’t comparing apples with apples.
My iPhone is a major technological advancement and is more accurate than my Omega, but my Omega is a mechanical device not reliance on computers, signals or technology – and is 1 second a month minimum as accurate.
Neither are you ... that's Apples with Omegas?
I am 55 years old this year, and have lusted after “performance” cars all my life, whether that’s a Lambo or an Octavia VRS...But if I get to the financing position to own one before they all go, then I will get one before they go, enjoy it...
Username ... erm, hang on... no it doesn't.
Cutting through all the crap and titting about - what you need is the Brabus Rocket Edition AMG G63.
That will scratch ALL of your itches.
Much as it pains me to say it as the owner of a petrol Audi…
When looking at a fast/hot version, I would go Audi for diesel, BMW for petrol.
As for comments above about watches - entirely subjective.
I appreciate a good (proper) watch for what it is - a masterpiece of miniature mechanical engineering.
Am looking for a (relatively) affordable Audemars Piguet or Vacheron Constantin to add to my small collection; they will increase in value due to quality and (relative) scarcity so can be properly classified as heirlooms
In contrast, I have no wish to add another car; unless it's rare, a car is a depreciating asset with more maintenance requirements than a quality watch will ever have - and will last for a much shorter time period.
In contrast, I have no wish to add another car; unless it’s rare, a car is a depreciating asset with more maintenance requirements than a quality watch will ever have – and will last for a much shorter time period.
You clearly didn't own a classic for some time and sell it during COVIDtimes then.
You may have missed it but Covid is now in the past so it's influence on car prices is irrelevant; as for your post, who did? Owned a classic car for some time and then sold it during Covid - that's what you said but is completely unrelated to my post. Memo to self - this is STW and posts frequently have little connection to the subject.
I've never owned a 'classic' and don't own one now; my 4.2l v8 diesel probably doesn't tick many of the approved eco boxes so I'm a very naughty boy.
Are there any aussie produced classic cars? No? Didn't think so. Did you export yours from the UK?
On a different subject, did your old man in/near Lincoln decide on a kitchen bloke for the requirement you posted about?
My point was that not all cars are depreciating assets. And in STW tradition of course I selected a single point from your comment.
Are there any aussie produced classic cars? No? Didn’t think so. Did you export yours from the UK?
Are you ****ing kidding? And they survive relatively intact too.
I sent him all the suggestions, AFAIK the old man has been too busy dealing with multiple health issues and a wife that just had a knee reconstruction to have done anything about his kitchen (apart no doubt from scrutinising them on Companies House). But thanks for asking.
You may have missed it but Covid is now in the past so it’s influence on car prices is irrelevant;
Irrelevant? I wish. Everything doubled in price and stayed there.
Anything 'classic' is 4 times too high and still advertised as "price is only going one way" even though the advert is 5 months old.
Covid is now in the past
It very much isn’t.
Back OT for the OP, on YouTube Joe Achilles has a comparison video of the M340i and M340d plus several separate reviews of both, worth a watch.
When looking at a fast/hot version, I would go Audi for diesel, BMW for petrol.
The S4 is better specced then the M340, certainly in the cabin. Don't even get electric seats in the BMW FFS. However, my last car was an RS5 and don't think I'd be happy sat in a (albeit slightly more modern) Audi that wasn't the RS. For now anyway, fancy something different
Back OT for the OP, on YouTube Joe Achilles has a comparison video of the M340i and M340d plus several separate reviews of both, worth a watch.
Yes, watched a couple of his videos. The 340d on the track shows what it can do
Anything ‘classic’ is 4 times too high and still advertised as “price is only going one way” even though the advert is 5 months old
It is, just not the way they think.
That car sounds incredibly over the top but I'd like a shot of one. The only thing that would put me off owning one would the initial cost and the complexity of the engine for servicing and if it goes wrong.
If you can afford one then why not? Much more sensible than any sports car.
I had a 435d (sameish engine as the 340d), loads of go and economical but the car was felt basically 'unbalanced' and always seemed on edge. Hard to place what was wrong, but a colleague who had one thought the same (and he was an ex-rally driver). The engine etc weighs not a lot more, but obviously placed differently as it's longer.
Swapped to a 320d (xDrive as per the 435d) and yes it's only got 190bhp rather than +300bhp but it's vary rare I miss the extra even though I live in a region where I can pretty much use it on every journey. The 320d handles a damn sight better/safer, even on the same wheels/tyres and it'll still top 140mph while averaging nearly 50mpg.
I have a 335d
It's great, (except that time when black smoke started pouring out the air vents, it was £3000 to fix, BMW said it wasn't a warranty issue with the dpf filter, then sent me a letter saying it was a warrant issue, then changed the dpf under warranty for a third dpf filter.) The price of tires and brakes came as a surprise.
Apart from that is been 50,000 miles of a great driving car. It's on 140,000 now.
I changes to non run flats. They are a chunk cheaper and it's made the car a bit nicer.
Next car will not be as fast.
I live in the UK.
I've never done a track day.
I like having my licence, 0 points and not being jailed/ fined or crashing due to excessive speed.
The power is awesome for... 4 seconds then pointless.
I've maintained my car and so I'd rather stick with this car until it's dead than get another car and run the risk that the new to me one is not a lemon.
A mate has her insurance double on her Yaris. Just due to price increases. The insurance might be a reason to sell it on before it's broken.
A nice EV would be much faster and just as big inside 😁
Faster at destination? There isn't any EV yet which would faster at destination than regular diesel estate on my holiday drives. Especially during winter and/or having anything on the roof.
I follow speed limits as we have insanely expensive speeding fines here.
Tall Martin and I have exactly the same USP. After sleeping in it and driving my F31 320d this morning I won’t be changing it, although I am looking for a BMW Indy near North London if anyone knows one?
ld live an m340d G21, but I’ve got other priorities, and longer term plans for vehicles which I should adhere to.
Is this a ‘stealth’ add?
And they’re over £90k…
Spam post is indeed spammy
"Rates from as low as 9.4%"
Low???
Another vote here for the M340d, used to have a 335d Touring but went for something smaller and faster a couple of years ago.
Next car will be undoubtedly be the 340d- Merc and Audi rivals can't compete.
Put a deposit down on a 2017 520d on Saturday, tested the equivalent 3 series and didn't like how small and 'old school' it felt, more like driving my partners 2006 Mini than driving my current car (passat estate). If they were in budget, I'd have had a 530 or 535d. Big, comfy, fast, and good enough on fuel.
Gets absolutely rave reviews as a drivers car
Hmmm - thats because they want to sell more cars, and get more YT views (appealing to middle aged men)
I like cars and have had various nice ones in the past. I've had a few BMWs and now a Merc E class estate.
My conclusion is that that modern BMWs are not sports cars, they are just nice handling cars. By all means by one of the nice diesels as they are lovely engines, but you are not buying a sports car. Yes they go round corners nicely, and you get that nice rear wheel drive through corner feeling, and they feel more dynamic than any standard Merc.
I much prefer my tank E-class. No pretence that its a sports car, just big, comfy and rapid enough. The diesel engine isnt as silky smooth as the BMW diesels, but its a very very quiet experience over all whilst driving. I get in it knowing every journey is going to be chilled, comfortable and I will get out the other end not having to have worked as hard as you would in any BMW.
Get a proper 'M' car and thats a proper sports car, will feel a world different to any luke warm BMW
BMWs kind of encourage you to go quicker as they are more dynamic, but the fact is you would be doing very silly speeds to have fun with those extra dynamics. They are heavy cars so actually when you get near the edge of grip they are bloody difficult to control (unless you are a driving god) and the speeds at which they start to slip are stupid high. So they you could take it to a track, where then you would see that they are so compromised in every department that you would regret buying one.
I much prefer enjoying driving A-B on dull roads now in the Merc than I ever did in a BMW. Because BMWs are more dynamic you have to concentrate more on driving them. I used to take my BMWs out just for a drive too, but always ended up frustrated as they always underwhelmed ie brake fade or not engaging enough (because the speed needed to make it engaging was not safe on the road)
I will forever now by 'dull' daily cars, but I am currently saving for a weekend car ie something like a Caterham
I bought a 530d SE G 31 and have to say its great and has ample power previously owned several three series inc tourers and the 5 series is my preference by quite a long way now.
YouTube Joe Achilles has a comparison video of the M340i and M340d plus several separate reviews of both, worth a watch.
I stopped watching him along time ago when I realised that he is clearly on the bank roll of BMW.
I follow speed limits as we have insanely expensive speeding fines here.
Well, you say "insanely expensive" but it sounds like the level of fine is pitched about right.
Allegedly, Bmw diesels have a habit of catching fire.
It’s the EGR that has a propensity to overheat when very dirty in the B57 - not sure of other variants. Older / coked up cars have had this start a sudden fire.
Theres two recalls on this a) an installed software cutout/ alert based on sensor info and an EGR clean while they waited for parts availability and b) a replacement EGR.
Mine had the former done 8 months ago and having the latter done durning its service in March.
Put a deposit down on a 2017 520d on Saturday, tested the equivalent 3 series and didn’t like how small and ‘old school’ it felt
I think the newer ones are a big improvement on the previous gen tbh
Get a proper ‘M’ car and thats a proper sports car, will feel a world different to any luke warm BMW
My last car was an Audi RS5. At some point I'll probably get a BMW M5 in this flavour, but that's not what I'm after right now
Previous car
Car I'm looking at.
Would prefer diamond cut wheels to the black, but the Shadowline (Black) pack seem to be slightly better specced in general
Dacia Jogger owner here, they are shit. They do what they do well but I've done 30k miles in 14 months and I'd rather have done it in a BMW. That'll teach me for ordering a car before getting a big pay rise. I'm trying to figure out a way out of the PCP that doesn't cost me but that's a different story/thread.
Anyway, M340d, lovely but I just can't get away with BMW's recent design language, it's all over the place.. However, allow me to introduce the Volvo V60 T8 Twin Engined Polestar Engineered. Not only does it have a ludicoursly long name is also had 405bhp, and does 0-60 in 4.4s. 50mpg real world (113mpg if you believe the hype).
However, allow me to introduce the Volvo V60 T8 Twin Engined Polestar Engineered
Now, that I quite like.
However, these 400bhp PHEV vehicles (see also Range Rover P400e) aren't really that are they? They are usually a 300(ish) 2l with an electric boost (for as long as it lasts - probably not that long), or it get's used up trundling about locally purely on the motors. That said a 2l in a Volvo estate is going to fare better than in a big Range Rover
But - I am going to research and see if real world usage of these proves me wrong and it might well be on the list - especially if the emissions will make it beneficial to buy through the Ltd company (usually not)