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Hello,

Just buying some new tyres for my van (following much advice on here and going for Michelin CrossClimates since I unfortunately have no space for storing the unused summer/winter tyres)
I know that I need 215/75/16R and know what all those mean. However, I'm being given two options for that size 113/111R and 116/114R, what do those mean and how do I know which I need? Nothing on the plate on the door says that and I can't see anything similar on the current tyre. Guessing something to do with the load rating?
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Posted : 07/02/2022 10:02 pm
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Guessing something to do with the load rating?

Yes, it's the load rating. I don't know where the 113/111 thing is coming from, it'll be one or the other AFAIK and it'll be on the sidewall along with the speed rating.

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They’re the load rating for single and double axles

Ah, I see!


 
Posted : 07/02/2022 10:08 pm
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They're the load rating for single and double axles (axles at the rear with 1 or 2 wheels each side). The current tyres should legally have it on them somewhere and the new tyres should meet or exceed the current ones. What van is it?


 
Posted : 07/02/2022 10:10 pm
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Great, thanks.
How do I tell which one I need? LWB Mk7 Transit so up to 3.5t I think. Or should I just go for the higher number one to err on the side of caution? Difference is £14/pair so not the end of the world and I'd rather be safe than sorry.
I carry large light things, like bikes, never anywhere near the weight limit.
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I don’t know where the 113/111 thing is coming from, it’ll be one or the other AFAIK.

Some do say 113, some say 113/111R and some say 116/114R


 
Posted : 07/02/2022 10:15 pm
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They’re the load rating for single and double axles (axles at the rear with 1 or 2 wheels each side)

Same edit as Johnners, that makes sense. I'll go and have another look at my current ones, must be there somewhere. Might have to give them a clean to see anything, it was quite muddy yesterday!
Single axle van so presumably I'd need the higher of the two numbers?


 
Posted : 07/02/2022 10:17 pm
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The load rating on all the tyres we have usually comes after the dia on the tyre. On yours the 16 R. It should say the load as a number and then the speed rating as a letter after that.


 
Posted : 07/02/2022 10:44 pm
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Go to a proper tyre fitting shop? Wingerworth tyres, near me will bore you to death with tyre facts but also, importantly give you impartial information. Used them for wheelbarrow, garden tractor, motorhome, motorbike, car. Employees are longstanding and friendly, but yes, do go on a bit about tyres - a bit like a boring bicycle mechanic!!


 
Posted : 07/02/2022 11:14 pm
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Check your heaviest axle rating, which will probably be the rear, divide it by 2 and then check whatever you buy exceeds the weight. The plate should be under the bonnet somewhere.

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You can probably just buy something that matches or exceeds whatever is fitted already but best to check just incase.


 
Posted : 08/02/2022 1:05 am
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According to the internets your plate might be on the door frame, bottom 2 numbers are your f & r axle weights.

I picked a random example from googling transits: eg 2250kg which would be 1125kg = 113 tyre load rating minimum.


 
Posted : 08/02/2022 1:13 am
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Single axle van so presumably I’d need the higher of the two numbers?

Yes, the lower number is for twin setups as it has to take into account tyre squash and the two not touching in between when fully loaded. If the tyres touch they quickly overheat and fail.


 
Posted : 08/02/2022 6:15 am
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Is there a "C" included in the tyre size and pressure label on the B pillar?
It might look like "215/75 R 16 C" possibly with "113/111 T" or similar included
That's a Commercial tyre and that's how the van was originally type-approved. I'd suggest checking with your insurers if the new tyres aren't C-rated before you buy them 😉
The twin rating suggests that they will be, but check that they match the label


 
Posted : 08/02/2022 7:14 am
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We have a Tourneo Custom and a Transit campervan, both are fitted with Cross Climates. The load rating, along with the speed letter and tyre pressure, for both vans is on a sticker on the drivers side door pillar. The Tourneo Custom is 103 and the Transit is 113.


 
Posted : 08/02/2022 8:27 am
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Divide by 4 not 2 in the above example.
Or, more properly, look up the front and rear axle weights on the plate, divide each by 2, choose the biggest and lookup the load rating in the above table. You may find you can get away with a standard cross climate (101 rated I think) rather than splashing out for the van specific argilis ones, which is a lot cheaper. Whether it's a false economy I don't know, mine do seem to be wearing quite quick.


 
Posted : 08/02/2022 9:18 am
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That's great, thanks everyone.
I've been out and scrubbed the rear tyres clean and, with the added benefit of daylight, they do indeed say 113/111 on them so I've gone for those.
Not cheap these CrossClimates, let's hope they're good!
Got some Maxxis Vansmart all seasons on the front which were half the price just over a year ago but they do seem to be wearing quick, especially for a RWD vehicle, so giving the Michelins a go at the back.


 
Posted : 08/02/2022 9:26 am
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After all that I ordered the 113/111 ones and they've sent me a pair of 116/114s instead.
I'm assuming a higher rating will be fine (better?) so I won't make a fuss.
Booked in at the local garage for fitting next week but it's just started snowing today. Fortunately I don't need to go anywhere on a decent Goodyear Cargo (which will become the spare) and a (probably illegally) bald Hankook Somethingorother which was the spare until last weekend.
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Actually, just wondering, it passed it's MOT last month despite the spare almost certainly being illegal, not even an advisory for it. Do they check the spares in the MOT?


 
Posted : 10/02/2022 12:18 pm
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Assuming that it's either class 4 or 7, the spare is only advisory and not subject to inspection (and assuming that it's visible to the tester)


 
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