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kimbers - Member
People who vote for them are the ultimate example of poor education
Crikey ... that bad eh! 😯
See, Zombies on all sides.
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gallows humour
Facing death are you?
Poor taste, at best.
Yes, I'm wringing my hands and whining......
What I don't get is why people of a certain persuasion bang on about the importance of Magna Carta but hate the European Charter of Human Rights one is a significant document that protects the special interests of a limited group of Norman French Aristocrats and their Feudal Retainers the "Freemen", the other a document drawn up largely be the British to protect the fundamental rights and liberties of everyone. One was drawn up under duress, reneged upon almost immediately and now is 98% revoked and of little relevance, the other is in full force, internationally agreed and approved by consent and is a global bench mark.
One can see that outside of the study of early English History or constitutional law, Magna Carta is not a big deal one can see why in our country as it is today children would be aware of the central principles of a religion followed by a significant minority of the population .
Good video Ninfan but I am really not sure that they are joking about the Holocaust more that they are celebrating their Grandfathers survival .
boxelder - Member
gallows humour
Facing death are you?
We're all facing death chap, some of us are just a bit closer to it than others.. 😉
[url= http://www.deathclock.com ]Have you checked yours lately?[/url]
crankboy - Member
What I don't get is why people of a certain persuasion bang on about the importance of Magna Carta but hate the European Charter of Human Rights one is a significant document that protects the special interests of a limited group of Norman French Aristocrats and their Feudal Retainers the "Freemen", the other a document drawn up largely be the British to protect the fundamental rights and liberties of everyone. One was drawn up under duress, reneged upon almost immediately and now is 98% revoked and of little relevance, the other is in full force, internationally agreed and approved by consent and is a global bench mark.One can see that outside of the study of early English History or constitutional law, Magna Carta is not a big deal one can see why in our country as it is today children would be aware of the central principles of a religion followed by a significant minority of the population .
Good video Ninfan but I am really not sure that they are joking about the Holocaust more that they are celebrating their Grandfathers survival .
Good point, well made and I entirely concur, but would still rather my kids were taught this sort of relevant info than the hours wasted as previously described.
Then maybe a serious discussion could be had by all regarding the issues that have given rise to xenophobic support that we currently see growing.
the Magna Carta is the root of the freedoms and basis for our Justice System,
That's stretching it quite a bit. A load of rich landowners protecting themselves is closer to the truth.
Read up on the politics behind Magna Carta. Then teach your children about it.
The main political parties felt reluctant to mention the word immigration because it came with the word racist attached to it.There are a lot of people in this country concerned about immigration,whether positive or negative.UKIP is the only party to bring this to the fore and have an easily understandable policy.
The other parties vary their policies according to public opinion at voting time.
UKIP may not have a lot of policies but the public already distrust career politicians and their meaningless waffle so keeping it simple seems to have its appeal.
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[i]A vote for UKIP at the European parliamentary elections is a vote for children being taught more facts about Magna Carta.
Vote UKIP for obscure constitutional history in the nation's primary schools.
UKIP: your best defence against the vague religious pluralism in the current school curriculum. [/i]
Yep, sold.
joeegg - MemberThe main political parties felt reluctant to mention the word immigration
Er... Immigration is a constant political football, all the main parties are at it.
the Magna Carta is the root of the freedoms and basis for our Justice System,
A load of rich landowners protecting themselves
I think you may have proved his point 😉
Actually, its not quite that simple, as MC was in many ways a codification of the existing common law, and you enter there into an interesting discussion on whether the crown or parliament can enact statutes that are contrary to the common law - Crankboy also opened an interesting can of worms on the nature of constitution and whether Magna Carta as a treaty between the king and his subjects has indeed be repealed or not, since while the statute may be repealed, the treaty as signed remains, and it claims that these rights were handed down in perpetuity, so we open the discussion on parliamentary supremacy versus the nature of the written and unwritten constitution... and so on it goes, fascinating!
not sure that they are joking about the Holocaust more that they are celebrating their Grandfathers survival
One persons celebration is another's offensive and disrespectful denigration of a sacred place, one persons offhand joke is another's deeply offensive remark...
UKIP is the only party to bring this to the fore and have an easily understandable policy.
just like the BNP......
Magna Carta was a treaty between the Barons and the Crown.
It did not apply any rights to the vast majority of the population.
An enjoyable book which derekfish and others interested in history should definitely read: [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/1215-The-Year-Magna-Carta/dp/0340824751 ]1215: The Year of Magna Carta[/url]
So the fact that they were unable to contract or employ only British workers to do it due to EU law actually reinforces UKIP's point surely
I realize I'm late to this, and I realize that facts are unwelcome things, but this is a load of old ****. The conduct you're suggesting would be UKIP's preferred path has been illegal in England since section 3 of the Race Relations Act 1968 came into effect...five years before the UK joined the EEC.
I realize I'm late to this, and I realize that facts are unwelcome things, but this is a load of old ****. The conduct you're suggesting would be UKIP's preferred path has been illegal in England since section 3 of the Race Relations Act 1968 came into effect...five years before the UK joined the EEC.
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El-bent - Member
politically correct
You mean normal people who like the idea of being nice to each other?
"Politically Correct" is a derogatory term surely?
The conduct you're suggesting would be UKIP's preferred path has been illegal in England since section 3 of the Race Relations Act 1968 came into effect...five years before the UK joined the EEC.
Wrong, as S3 of the race relations act would only apply to the relationship between the contracting company 'Fast Leaflet' and the delivery staff themselves (employer/employee) 8)
I seem to spend almost all of my waking hours whenever these kids come round explaining it all to them.
Surely "whenever these kids come round" wouldn't have been more than once?
UKIP is the only party to bring this to the fore and have an easily understandable policy.
Can you explain what it is as Nigel Farage doesn't seem to be able to in a coherent fashion when prompted.
FFS! Just vote whoever you like after all they are all zombie maggots in many forms. 🙄
Makes no difference whatsoever and you will not starve to death nor your inheritance will disappear over night or you being put into slavery.
I mean look at all those so called leaders of the parties they are all zombie maggots! Zombie maggots! You are voting for zombie maggots!
As a legal alien, yes yes I hear you say bloody 3rd world Johnny Clarks shoes, I find nothing change or improve for better or worst no matter who I vote for as everything remains the same to some extend. Yes, you might be few pounds worst off or gain by voting this or that party but deep down we are living a zombie maggot lifestyle. As zombie maggots you live to fight another day if you are not squash under someone else shoes.
Crikey, I have voted for all of them and as far as I see they are all bunch of jokers that when they retire they get handsome pay off ... just because they were once politicians.
What's with this loyalty to one party shite? They are all shite! Ideology? Shite! Zombie maggots need not preach ideology to others. Then you get some saying that we need to be in EU otherwise we are all condemn to poverty for eternity. FFS! This sounded as if you will turn begging over night. No such thing just that you will be put to hard labour or turn into slave that's all.
As one of my NZ mate says ... bunch of whinging pom they are. 😆
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8/10 chewkw.
I like that it's taken 3 pages to build up and then you let it all come gushing out like that.
You do lose points for having punctuation and proper paragraphs, though.
Oooh... apparently he wants EU citizens who are settled in the UK to apply for leave to remain. That includes my mother who has been a UK resident for over 45 years. Interesting.
I'm sure I'm not alone in finding that chewkw's posts do not really advance my understanding of the issues at stake in these discussions.
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I must have missed something during a period of absence and lost log in here, but could somebody explain a zombie maggot to me?
Surely an undead maggot becomes a Fly? Equally a pest but then I'm told there are no flies on Nigel. 😈
BigDummy - MemberI'm sure I'm not alone in finding that chewkw's posts do not really advance my understanding of the issues at stake in these discussions.
Why youuuu! 👿
Are you trying to deflate my zombie maggot(TM) ideology? Discuss.
Now that will learn you.
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derekfish - MemberI must have missed something during a period of absence and lost log in here, but could somebody explain a zombie maggot to me?
Surely an undead maggot becomes a Fly? Equally a pest but then I'm told there are no flies on Nigel.
[b]Zombie maggot = the ones with rotting brains yet try to live or pass themselves off as if they have living intelligence of common sense. [/b]
Fly maggot? You are on wrong forum. 😆
There you go are we learned?
'Political Correctness' was coined by right wing fundamentalists who wished to demonise those who were happy with the previous definition of the same concept.
Which was 'being nice to each other'.
And we can't have people just going around being nice to each other, now can we?
Very bad for profits.
Which was 'being nice to each other'.
No it's not.
Political correctness if I'm not mistaken is just another US import, to go with litigation, MTV, Fast Food and all other wonders of modern existence.
Gone are good manners, politeness as a matter of course, modesty, self control, respect for others and their views with restraint.
Ninfan: "Well, for a start it would be illegal under EU law for UKIP to contract a firm and say they could only use British workers, and on top of that it would be illegal under EU law for 'Fast Leaflet' to employ only British workers". This is exactly the conduct that would have been caught by the RRA. I'm afraid you have sod all idea what you're talking about. Cheerio!
Gone are good manners, politeness as a matter of course, modesty, self control, respect for others and their views with restraint.
Not using the N-word is probably considered to be polite.
Interestingly, polite societies might be more violent.
atlaz - MemberOooh... apparently he wants EU citizens who are settled in the UK to apply for leave to remain. That includes my mother who has been a UK resident for over 45 years. Interesting.
Leaving aside the general wtfitty of this, I would just love to be a fly on the wall at the UKVI on day one of this policy, they're already incapable of doing the job they're supposed to as it is.
Gone are good manners, politeness as a matter of course, modesty, self control, respect for others and their views with restraint.
You are an example to us all, especially the lefties, in this respect
Brilliant 😆
Junkyard - lazarus
Gone are good manners, politeness as a matter of course, modesty, self control, respect for others and their views with restraint.You are an example to us all, especially the lefties, in this respect
Brilliant
Why thank you junkie, nice to have my qualities noted, not that my modesty would normally have me acknowledge such praise, but coming from a big hitter such as yourself, I feel honoured.
<UKIPVoice>It's not too late son we can still help you</UKIPvoice>
Wasn't Nigel great last night? Classic moment right at the end, the rest had been arguing about the Government and its ability to intervene in the Pfizer acquisition and only Nigel made the point whilst illustrating the lies from LabConLibDem..
What point?
I think even UKIP would accept I am beyond their help
I have been disappointed they have not knocked on my door to get my vote.
I will do as i do with the Tories waste as much of their time as I possibly can whilst seeing just how racist I can get them to be 😀
I dont watch QT but I am sure his performance appealed to his supporters.
Junkyard - lazarus
I think even UKIP would accept I am beyond their help
I have been disappointed they have not knocked on my door to get my vote.
<UKIPvoice>Well allow me, it's not too late young chap and the road to Damascas is very long, think of all the things we can do for you, stopping all those nasty immigrants coming here and taking your jobs, well not your job you're a teacher aren't you? We do so hope you're not filling the heads of young minds with Pillars of [s]Islam[/s]Salt. If we get into power we'll give you the freedom to [s]thrash[/s]teach some sense into our youth. Just give us your address, we'll send someone round. 😉 </UKIPvoice>
Leaving aside the general wtfitty of this, I would just love to be a fly on the wall at the UKVI on day one of this policy, they're already incapable of doing the job they're supposed to as it is.
I'm wondering what will happen on day 1 of Britain's glorious post-EU existence, when all the expat community on the Spanish coast suddenly realise they no longer have an automatic right to be there or use the Spanish health system. (Me - I'll be applying for Spanish nationality...)
Ol' farage doesn't half attract some unsavory characters !
BRITAIN FIRST STATEMENT r.e. UKIP:BRITAIN FIRST TO DEPLOY ARMOURED PATROL VEHICLES AND EX-MILITARY VOLUNTEERS TO PROTECT UKIP LEADER NIGEL FARAGE
We are sickened by the far-left attempts to stifle democracy by attacking UKIP leader Nigel Farage.
Britain First is indeed a rival patriotic party to UKIP, but we are all patriots together and UKIP may be well presented in nice suits but as recent attacks show, they cannot protect Mr Farage from the leftwing thugs who seem intent in intimidating him and perverting the democratic process.
While no great fans of UKIP, Britain First has hundreds of ex-British Forces street activists and several armoured ex-army Land Rovers and we now put our men and our resources at UKIP’s disposal during the period of election campaigning.
We shall continue to fight UKIP for votes at the ballot but we will not allow fellow patriots to be bullied off our streets by un-elected thugs who do not even stand for election themselves.
We forced the bully boys of the Muslim patrols off the streets of east London and we shall deploy our units to ensure that UKIP have the right to campaign free from attacks by leftwing hooligans.
Today we put principles and country above politics, maybe others will follow suit.
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UKIP's days will be numbered (even quicker) if they ever try to ban Eurovision
Klunk - Member
Ol' farage doesn't half attract some unsavory characters !BRITAIN FIRST STATEMENT r.e. UKIP:
BRITAIN FIRST TO DEPLOY ARMOURED PATROL VEHICLES AND EX-MILITARY VOLUNTEERS TO PROTECT UKIP LEADER NIGEL FARAGE
We are sickened by the far-left attempts to stifle democracy by attacking UKIP leader Nigel Farage.
Britain First is indeed a rival patriotic party to UKIP, but we are all patriots together and UKIP may be well presented in nice suits but as recent attacks show, they cannot protect Mr Farage from the leftwing thugs who seem intent in intimidating him and perverting the democratic process.
While no great fans of UKIP, Britain First has hundreds of ex-British Forces street activists and several armoured ex-army Land Rovers and we now put our men and our resources at UKIP’s disposal during the period of election campaigning.
We shall continue to fight UKIP for votes at the ballot but we will not allow fellow patriots to be bullied off our streets by un-elected thugs who do not even stand for election themselves.
We forced the bully boys of the Muslim patrols off the streets of east London and we shall deploy our units to ensure that UKIP have the right to campaign free from attacks by leftwing hooligans.
Today we put principles and country above politics, maybe others will follow suit.
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Reminds me of that Rudyard Kipling rhyme [i]"Tommy this and Tommy that, chuck him out the brute
But it's 'Saviour of his country' when the guns begin to shoot."[/i]
Reminds me of that Rudyard Kipling rhyme "Tommy this and Tommy that, chuck him out the brute
But it's 'Saviour of his country' when the guns begin to shoot."
Well it shows how strange you are. I can't see any connection at all between those two lines you've quoted from Kipling poem, and a comment attributed to a bunch of disgruntled former BNP members.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_First
Some lovely characters in Britain First, ex-BNP fascists, Scottish Christian Fundamentalists/Ulster Unionist religious nutters etc.
Nice to see them recognising anti-democratic fellow travellers in UKIP.
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Reminds me of that Rudyard Kipling rhyme "Tommy this and Tommy that, chuck him out the brute
But it's 'Saviour of his country' when the guns begin to shoot."
Hurrah for the blackshirts by Derekfish.
Wasn't Nigel great last night? Classic moment right at the end, the rest had been arguing about the Government and its ability to intervene in the Pfizer acquisition and only Nigel made the point whilst illustrating the lies from LabConLibDem..
Except what he said is basically untrue. As long as the take over bid is nice and transparent, as the Takeover Directive requires, the Commission can do nothing. Even then, the Takeover Directive has been consolidated into the Companies Act, so it would be dealt with in courts in the UK. So yeah, Nige was misrepresenting the facts.
The vast majority of what UKIP/Farage says relies on you not understanding the EU and its institutions. Fortunately most people don't know the difference between a Peer and an MP, let along a Commissioner and an MEP. So they just take what the 'anti-establishment' party says as fact. Ignorance is UKIP's best friend.
You should all probably know that Magna Carta of 1215 was never implemented into law, since it was declared uncanonical by Innocent III. I think it was the 1217 version that actually got implemented which was vastly stripped back of the significant clauses (e.g. security clause) but kept the clauses that talk of slavery of the Welsh, oppression of the red heads and ownership of the Jews. Irrespective of that, Magna Carta was basically an aristocratic protest riot, in response to John's paranoia and despotism, calling for the re-imposition of his father's style of government.
ernie_lynch - Member
Reminds me of that Rudyard Kipling rhyme "Tommy this and Tommy that, chuck him out the brute
But it's 'Saviour of his country' when the guns begin to shoot."
Well it shows how strange you are. I can't see any connection
You can't see any connection between that rhyme and the denigration of a group of ex servicemen?
Maybe I read it wrong. [i]While no great fans of UKIP, Britain First has hundreds of ex-British Forces[/i]
no, I didn't read it wrong.
Whilst I don't agree with them and I'm fairly sure poor Nigel would be horrified at any association with them, just as I'm sure you would be equally as horrified by association with the Left Wing thugs, it doesn't make the rhyme any less pertinent.
A denigration of a PARTICULARLY odious group of claimed ex service personnel. I am fairly sure this bunch of unrepentant fascists & sectarian bigots are extremely unrepresentative of HM armed forces & do not represent Tommy Atkins in any way, shape or form.
It says more about you Derek that you attempt to shoehorn that poem & its meaning into the political stance of such vile people than it does about the armed forces.
muddydwarf - Member
A denigration of a PARTICULARLY odious group of claimed ex service personnel. I am fairly sure this bunch of unrepentant fascists & sectarian bigots are extremely unrepresentative of HM armed forces & do not represent Tommy Atkins in any way, shape or form.
It says more about you Derek that you attempt to shoehorn that poem & its meaning into the political stance of such vile people than it does about the armed forces.
"Particularly odious" &"Vile People" is a point of view, precisely illustrated by that poem, it's the standard viewpoint of the hand wringer until such times as said hand ringers own life is in danger, then suddenly the "odious and vile people" are sent forward to face the cause.
You should read the poem in its entirety, it was written around the last time we were losing men in Afghanistan and when they returned just left to their own devices.
Here, have a read
[i]"Tommy"
Rudyard Kipling
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees![/i]
Particularly odious" &"Vile People" is a point of view, precisely illustrated by that poem, it's the standard viewpoint of the hand wringer until such times as said hand ringers own life is in danger, then suddenly the "odious and vile people" are sent forward to face the cause.
You should read the poem in its entirety, it was written around the last time we were losing men in Afghanistan and when they returned just left to their own devices.
10 quid says half of them are walts. Also, if you posted about UKIP on the Army Rumour Service forums you'd get laughed off. They hate the group you linked to as well.
I do know that poem very well thank you, and i know very well that it wasn't written to offer support to fascists or sectarian bigots no matter how you try to spin it.
Either you are trolling or you really are an apologists for such scum; either way you are a deeply unpleasant individual and i make no apology for saying such.
Actually, people like you turn my stomach.
muddydwarf - Member
I do know that poem very well thank you, and i know very well that it wasn't written to offer support to fascists or sectarian bigots no matter how you try to spin it.
Either you are trolling or you really are an apologists for such scum; either way you are a deeply unpleasant individual and i make no apology for saying such.
Actually, people like you turn my stomach.
I'm neither trolling nor acting as an apologist, I'm merely pointing out that had it not been for the actions supported by people like you,on the left, that we wouldn't be facing all this and have been all along if you'd taken the trouble read my posts more carefully.
People like you throwing around 'racist' insults and attempting to label anyone with a view point different to you own as 'scum' or suggest they 'turn your stomach' is exactly why the silent types are turning inexorably to the right.
You don't know me, you've formed a stupid opinion born of what you think or want to think of what's written in my posts without exactly studying the content, I suggest you read it again and act in a less ignorant and unpleasant manner.
I'm neither trolling nor acting as an apologist, I'm merely pointing out that had it not been for the actions supported by people like you,on the left, that we wouldn't be facing all this and have been all along if you'd taken the trouble read my posts more carefully.
Don't blame the left, the EU is all about free markets (including labour markets). That's a capitalists dream.
Tom_W1987 - MemberDon't blame the left, the EU is all about free markets (including labour markets). That's a capitalists dream.
The EU is all about creating an all powerful controlling superstate.
That's a left wing party's dream.
Britain First has hundreds of ex-British Forces
I very much doubt that Britain First has "hundreds" of members, whatever their former profession might have been.
The EU is all about creating an all powerful controlling superstate.That's a left wing party's dream.
Almost all the EU countries have conservative national governments, and in the EU parliament itself the left has always been in a minority.
The EU parliament today :
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The EU is a right wing party's dream. They have serious influence and direct involvement in the economic affairs of 28 member states. Even the ones in which conservatives have failed to win general elections.
That's a pretty picture, but if you line up our political parties from left to right, I think you'll find they're in the same order as if you'd lined them up in order of EU favouritism.
My comment was about the (conrolling) nature of left wing parties.
I'm left of centre in my political views, I just don't like our left leaning political parties.
[url= http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2014/05/13/strip-public-of-the-vote-says-ukip-candidate ]UKip the gift that keeps on giving[/url]