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It’s the lack of aspiration for any female watching the X-Games,
To be fair, that's hardly a problem exclusive to X-Games. There's a lack of female sporting role models in many sports and indeed outside of sport, and no shortage of men trying to ensure that this remains the case. As a random example, look at the outcry when Jodie Whittaker was announced as the 13th Doctor.
But it won’t open their eyes or change their views.
You can't change the views of the stupid. They're too stupid. Believe me, I've tried.
You can, of course, help form your children's views.
But by trying to win an argument by being derogatory, is that the way to teach your child?
But by trying to win an argument by being derogatory, is that the way to teach your child?
Ok I take your point.
The rest of my points still very much stand.
So to bring this back on topic (sorry) that wall o'links is interesting. Forget about total numbers since it's not an either/or thing, it shows the Monster Girls have a vastly greater following than any of the athletes. Now that could be down to many reasons, one of which could be a simple Venn diagram. But it still doesn't take away the gulf in numbers.
Having actually followed Charlotte Worther for a few years now the issue is more deep rooted than that. People see the women's event as less technical, lower skilled and therefore not worthy of the prize purse the men get. Which is shite but here we are.
Getting rid of pit girls is an easy target but is of little benefit to the athletes themselves when they are still earning bugger all compared to their male counterparts. The sexism runs far deeper than a bit of eye candy at an event I wasn't even aware was still going (certainly no pro bmxer or manufacturer I follow ever mentions it).
Cougar has it nailed tbh, either balance it out (christ, nobody turned gay by watching Chris Pontius doing his Party boy skits in Jackass) or just bin it entirely.
Lastly, "soft porn"?? Really? Then you wonder why people accuse you of being hysterical? You see worse wandering about the high street.
But it won’t open their eyes or change their views.
I doubt anything would. If someone comes onto a thread and says something that, whether you agree with it or not has been eloquently dealt with* at least five times by other people, they are either stupid, trolling or genuinely sexist.
*Not by me
Getting rid of pit girls is an easy target but is of little benefit to the athletes themselves
No doubt true but it conflates two points that are different, although both linked by sexism. No reason why removing podium girls can't be done whilst calling for female athletes to have better representation and be paid more.
I find the attitudes of some of the people on here, those that call other people stupid and sexist for having a different opinion (on a fairly contentious subject), far more troubling than the concept of podium girls
I personally feel that they are an outdated concept that is unnecessary and adds nothing to the spectacle, however I can see both sides of the argument
Is calling out the thing worse than the thing?
Well after 5 pages I thought I'd better have a look at what the fuss was all about.
Ah Monster!!
You see worse wandering about the high street.
Or better depending on your taste. Wearing what you want within western society's limit of covering some quite small areas is a basic freedom, and who are we to say better or worse? They are personal calls we should keep to ourselves.
Is calling out the thing worse than the thing?
To some, yes. They see it as some form of marxist woke thought police suppressing their god given rights to express themselves on the internet without challenge.
Is calling out the thing worse than the thing?
it's a surprisingly common position, IME
I find the attitudes of some of the people on here, those that call other people stupid and sexist for having a different opinion (on a fairly contentious subject), far more troubling than the concept of podium girls
If people are calling someone sexist because of an opinion then it's that opinion that is the issue because it's sexist.
Sexism should be called out, in just the same way as racism & homophobia. It should have no place in society.
My how time flies...
7 years since the moral horror of sockgate!
https://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/interbike-spawns-sockgate-scandal/
4 years since F1 grid girls became obsolete
and yet, it's only now that the links between victoria's secret and the network surrounding Jeffrey Epstein are coming to light...
During the 1990s, both Epstein’s and Wexner’s profiles grew on the world stage. In 1991, Wexner cofounded a philanthropic organization of Jewish billionaires known as the Mega Group, which uses some of its vast resources to shape Middle East policy. In 2003, Wexner’s foundation commissioned GOP messaging guru Frank Luntz to advise American Jewish leaders on how to rally support for Israel. “For a year—a SOLID YEAR—you should be invoking the name of Saddam Hussein and how Israel was always behind American efforts to rid the world of this ruthless dictator and liberate their people,” Luntz’s recommendation stated.
Epstein kept close in that circle of influence. U.N. ambassador Bill Richardson and Middle East envoy George Mitchell allegedly participated in Epstein’s sex ring, according to a lawsuit filed by Giuffre. (Richardson and Mitchell adamantly deny the allegations.) Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak was an Epstein confidant. Epstein invested $1 million in one of Barak’s business ventures; Barak reportedly visited the East 66th Street condo building. Dershowitz told me he once arrived at Epstein’s town house as Epstein and Barak were wrapping up lunch. On a chalkboard, Barak had drawn a map of how the West Bank should be divided. (Barak could not be reached for comment. In 2019 he denied any wrongdoing related to the condo visits.)
During his time as Wexner’s financial guru, Epstein’s holdings grew tremendously—sometimes by acquiring properties formerly owned by Wexner such as the town house on East 71st Street, one of the largest private homes in Manhattan. While it has been reported over the years that the home was transferred to him in a $1 transaction-—and Epstein may have led people to believe that—documents show he paid Wexner $20 million for it. In Columbus, Epstein owned a 10,000-square-foot house next to Wexner and, according to Merritt, paid a below-market price for one of The Limited’s private jets. (Epstein also reportedly oversaw construction of Wexner’s superyacht, Limitless.) Merritt recalled once asking Wexner why Epstein was so well compensated. “Les just said, ‘Because I got more money than I can ever spend,’ ” said Merritt. “Les gave him free rein over his checkbook.” In 2019, the Wall Street Journal reported Epstein earned $200 million from Wexner. Merritt puts the number at $400 million.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of titilation or flirting - it makes the world go around.
Who doesn't enjoy it?
All these men on here sticking up for women have clearly never been to a ladies night! They're worse than blokes when they all get together!!
Given the thread, maybe you should give it a try.
I probably should but I've been burned from previous JHJ nonce sequitur derailment posts.
and yet, it’s only now that the links between victoria’s secret and the network surrounding Jeffrey Epstein are coming to light…
QED.
Teehee, made you think!
There’s nothing wrong with a bit of titilation or flirting – it makes the world go around.
Who doesn’t enjoy it?
All these men on here sticking up for women have clearly never been to a ladies night! They’re worse than blokes when they all get together!!
Context is king.
Maybe they are, but I wouldn't expect to have to deal with a pissed hen do in the middle of a skateboarding competition.
Maybe they are, but I don’t expect to have to deal with a pissed hen do in the middle of a skateboarding competition.
that I would watch, to be fair
There’s nothing wrong with a bit of titilation or flirting – it makes the world go around.
Who doesn’t enjoy it?
You're missing the point somewhat
The issue is when women aren't represented equally in the sports that the men are competing, & they should be able to aspire to more than just attending as eye candy.
calling for female athletes to have better representation and be paid more.
How do you make more women be invested in ladies sport? There's a 'representation' issue there that nobody shouts about. It's crowds/fans and their interest and media exposure that informs coverage & money.
No doubt true but it conflates two points that are different, although both linked by sexism. No reason why removing podium girls can’t be done whilst calling for female athletes to have better representation and be paid more.
Of course I'm not saying you can do one or the other, I just find it odd that pit girls are the primary reason that some folk think female representation is so low.
Or better depending on your taste.
Of course that's subjective, that was my entire point. Subjectively what those Monster girls are wandering about in is no more risque than what the girls at my daughter ice skating club practice in. "Sports attire"* at a sport event, colour me shocked.
and yet, it’s only now that the...
Nah, those anti-semetic conspiracy theories have been doing the rounds since Jesus booted the lenders out of that temple. Congratulations on finding new depths to plumb and a new chapter of wing nuttery though.
*if in fit if not material
@squirrelking, it'll be a hollow victory for sure, the influencer model is based on mutually agreed exploitation. Not much you can do when people choose to use a specific set of attributes to get ahead, you may feel better moving it out of your line of site but there's a much worse place that it inhabits.
If I were a parent I'd be a little more concerned at the ****ery that could influence kids through the device you bought them at some ridiculously young age, IG and Tik Tok are awash with some of the most toxic, unhealthy and dangerous women trying to push their bullshit on to kids to make a quick buck.
Nah, those anti-semetic conspiracy theories have been doing the rounds since Jesus booted the lenders out of that temple.
Huh, so Jeffrey Epstein used to whisk world leaders around in his jet back when Jesus was around?
Who knew!
Now, I'd prefer not to derail the thread, but these matters do all have a common thread; lets just hope that being a Monster Girl is an enjoyable and fulfilling role, as opposed to having to keep schtum about being exploited by some of the world's most powerful figures for the purposes of political coercion.
@princejohn - how do you know that they don't enjoy it? How do you know that they're not doing it for just a bit of fun? How do you know that they are not funding themselves through Uni whilst having a bit of fun and seeing the world? Have you asked them?
If men want to do the same for womens sports then brilliant. It's all a bit of light hearted fun really.
If I were a parent I’d be a little more concerned at the **** that could influence kids through the device you bought them at some ridiculously young age, IG and Tik Tok are awash with some of the most toxic, unhealthy and dangerous women trying to push their bullshit on to kids to make a quick buck.
Yup, totally agree. As parents it's our job to have those difficult conversations and not turn it into something we don't feel comfortable discussing.
Now, I’d prefer not to derail the thread
Well there's an easy answer for you then isn't there? Keep your anti-semitic shite to yourself or start your own thread.
Can you explain how the facts reported are anti-semitic?
And for bonus points, do you think that Monster Girls provide any benefits to events and the promotion thereof?
@princejohn – how do you know that they don’t enjoy it? How do you know that they’re not doing it for just a bit of fun? How do you know that they are not funding themselves through Uni whilst having a bit of fun and seeing the world? Have you asked them?
When have I ever questioned their enjoyment of hanging out in a bikini?
What I have consistently said is there is a lack of representation. Why aren't there any events for women in BMX or MotoX at the X-games? Why should a girls & boys growing up think the only option for women at these events is too be human billboards?
I love how people keep making these shitty weak arguments about they're being paid & having fun. That's great, but it's not about them. It's about the future generations seeing that they can compete on an equal level.
Well they can compete on an equal level - everyone can compete from a grass roots level and rise the ranks if they're good enough. There's plenty of coverage of mens and womens sports.
Going back to BMX, MotoX in the X Games - could that be that the field and standard just isn't there for women yet?
Going back to BMX, MotoX in the X Games – could that be that the field and standard just isn’t there for women yet?
How's it going to get there if they're not included? Look at MTB (which I'm not saying is any different, when you look at the size of the men's & women's fields) not a single woman at Rampage, but at least there is beginning to be representation with events like Formation. Still a long way to go.
Well they can compete on an equal level – everyone can compete from a grass roots level and rise the ranks if they’re good enough. There’s plenty of coverage of mens and womens sports.
That's not true. Girls have a completely different upbringing to boys it often starts at day 1. Girls get pink things & toys aimed at housework, boys get cars, action men, bikes, planes, guns, bows & arrows.
I find the attitudes of some of the people on here, those that call other people stupid and sexist for having a different opinion (on a fairly contentious subject), far more troubling than the concept of podium girls
Explains a lot.
I can see both sides of the argument
Really what benefit to society to put girls bring?
Going back to BMX, MotoX in the X Games – could that be that the field and standard just isn’t there for women yet?
Jesus, we might as well talk to a lamp post, oh hang on!
@princejohn - well it's a parenting issue then to force the girls to do a sport that leads them to a career in FMX? If they want to do it, most parents will try and nurture that desire i would imagine.
@anagallis_arvensis - very good, almost funny! 😉 Well are there enough female competitors to justify a category at X Games? Genuine question.
Are we giving credit for 'nonce sequitir'? I enjoyed it!
I find this really interesting, why are their not Pit Men etc?
I think the no 1 reason is that the majority of these sports were watched by blokes, and it is probably a symbol of the patriarchy.
The equivalent of pit men is the chippendales, I don't see anyone compalining about that.
I for one think its all about freedom of choice and try not to get offended on other peoples behalf. And I like women. I think its cool for women to like men.
Really what benefit to society to
putpit girls bring?
FTFY
This is also a good question, but what about models (m&f), porn of all types, good looking actors/popstars/influencers etc? Share dealers, asset strippers, soldiers, traffic wardens.
I just can't see the difference morally. I mean its a demonstrable fact that there is a correlation between looks and wealth. These ladies, and the Chippendales are capitalising on their luck in the life lottery.
Well are there enough female competitors to justify a category at X Games? Genuine question.
No idea, but the use of pit girls would I imagine put a lot of young girls off it. Chicken and egg ain't it. Like why build safe infrastructure for cyclists when a majority are too scared to ride bikes.
The equivalent of pit men is the chippendales,
It really, really is not. The equivalent of strippers are strippers, I cannot think of a male equivalent of pit girls.
It really, really is not. The equivalent of strippers are strippers, I cannot think of a male equivalent of pit girls.
Ok fair its not exactly the same but the best I can do, they do both get paid for looking hot. Which is the point.
This is also a good question, but what about models (m&f), porn of all types, good looking actors/popstars/influencers etc?
I just can’t see the difference morally. I mean its a demonstrable fact that there is a correlation between looks and wealth. These ladies, and the Chippendales are capitalising on their luck in the life lottery.
But if I want to avoid porn or influencers or strippers I can easily do that. I cannot avoid pit girls because they are just scantily clad people at sports events which are not in anyway related to sex. The impact on young people of sexual eye candy in the wrong context should not be under estimated. It impacts how they think and if only say 1% of girls are put off sports a bit because of it at a population level that's a huge impact.
It really, really is not. The equivalent of strippers are strippers, I cannot think of a male equivalent of pit girls.
But I would not expect to see the Chippendale's at a sports event!
The impact on young people of sexual eye candy in the wrong context should not be under estimated
I agree. I just think its everywhere in all media, all things our daughters are interested in. It seems unfair on these pit girls to deny them their jobs when Kim Kardashian flashes her arse and is a billionaire because of it.
It seems unfair on these pit girls to deny them their jobs when Kim Kardashian flashes her arse and is a billionaire because of it.
Kim Kardashian is not at a sports event though is she. Context in important.
More than 1 million girls who thought of themselves as sporty at primary school lose interest in physical activity as teenagers, according to estimates based on a new survey.
The study, by Women in Sport, found that a fear of being judged and a lack of confidence were the main reasons cited for a waning interest in sport among teenage girls. Its poll of more than 4,000 teenagers found that 43% of girls felt they were sporty at primary pupils but no longer saw themselves this way. This would equate to 1.3 million girls across the UK, the survey pointed out.
Do the reasons for this lack of interest correlate with pit girls? I havent seen any at hockey, netball, and rugby matches my girls have played in, or watched.
I have my own theory on why girls lose interest in sports. Having watched both my girls lose interest.
Subjectively what those Monster girls are wandering about in is no more risque than what the girls at my daughter ice skating club practice in. “Sports attire”* at a sport event, colour me shocked.
Are they fit? Got any pictures?
Woman walks into the meeting room
"Are you here to serve the drinks?"
Woman walks into the race paddock
"Are you one of the pit girls?"
Man walks into a bike/car wokshop and is greeted by a female member of staff
"can I speak to the mechanic please"
These are all situations that have happened, do happen, and will continue to happen. All because of the environment that exists and because of entrenched norms an unconscious bias and prejudice.
If you can't see that an environment and status quo that perpetuates those entrenched norms and assumptions is a problem, then you are probably not currently being part of the solution, you may even be part of the problem, even if passively.
If the eye-candy* is 'necessary' at sporting events then it should be equally representative, and available, to all genders and not perpetuate the 'men do the thing', women do the 'looking pretty' nonsense. If it's not necessary? Well then, what the heck are they doing there?
Under representation in Woman's events is a tough and complex issue to sort for sure, but at lot of that is because of decades (or more!) of entrenched norms and it wont get better until people actually try and tackle it.
*I would really love for an organiser to have the guts, even just once, to run one of these events and use all male models in speedos instead, just to see the backlash, it sure would start a debate and just *might* make a few people really think about whether it's appropriate.
The study, by Women in Sport, found that a fear of being judged and a lack of confidence were the main reasons cited for a waning interest in sport among teenage girls.
Great quote, still can't see the context. Do we know what the numbers are like for boys?
Lack of confidence and fear of being judged in an competitive endeavour? Doesn't sound like that has got anything to do with pit girls, more to do with parents, teachers and coaches failing to grow confident, passionate competitors and/or players.
I have my own theory on why girls lose interest in sports. Having watched both my girls lose interest.
As sport has given me so much joy in my life (and formed the basis of most if not all my friendships, my current and two previous girlfriends) I'm sad to see large swathes of society lose interest in it, possibly irrecoverably, at a young age, so I'd be happy to hear your theory.
Of course it isn't for everyone, if someone wishes to be an influencer/kardashian clone/pit girl they are 100% welcome to do so in my eyes.
@princejohn – well it’s a parenting issue then to force the girls to do a sport that leads them to a career in FMX? If they want to do it, most parents will try and nurture that desire i would imagine.
& where are those icons for those women? Men?
Is it really that hard to see why representation is important?
I’m sad to see large swathes of society lose interest in it, possibly irrecoverably, at a young age, so I’d be happy to hear your theory.
I am sad too.
more to do with parents, teachers and coaches failing to grow confident, passionate competitors and/or players.
This above covers it.
In more detail our schools tend to shun/ignore the less well able competitors, as do the parents and girls. They should be putting effort in to all the players, many sports are late developing and many players are late developing.
At our kids school I felt the like the PE staff were more concerend with finding the next olympic superstar than inclusion and devleopment of all. It wouldn't be allowed in academic subjects, but is rife in sport at junior level in schools and clubs.
This also creates a sporty clique in the class, the team, who are all popular, and then the other girls, who feel very left out.
Our Rugby club is forever putting complaints in about other clubs who we know damn well are leaving out some players in a "development squad" who only get 1 game in 4, and just field the best players. In U14s, its bloody shameful. We lose to them often as we recognise the half game rule, and we have a broad spectrum of ability.
The 1 in 4 kids gradually lose interes, I know some of their parents.
I am sure pit girls may well have a small contribution to this, but seeing as I've only heard of them in BMX and motor racing which most of our girls have never seen or are not interested. Feels like the wrong hill to die on to me.
ameidas - agree with all you said. Would love to see men in speedos exclusively, might attract more women to watch.
Is it really that hard to see why representation is important?
Apparently it is.
Lack of confidence and fear of being judged in an competitive endeavour? Doesn’t sound like that has got anything to do with pit girls
5plusn8, I don't think many schools do much BMX or skateboarding to Moto X or whatever it is so even though teachers are useless lazy wastrels to blame for most things, in this instance it might be hard to pin it on them
Don't worry AA, I am a rugby coach in a team of 4, the other 3 ignore the developing girls too. Its only me that works with them in our squad. And they would drop them all if it wasn't for the club being hot on it. So its not just teachers...
Interestingly our ladies squad does not have a single player who was county or other represenative at junior level (lots of them play county now, late developers). So the club knows damn well that to keep healthy we need to work on the less impressive girls as they will be the ones still playing for us in 10 years, the "better" ones are all long gone.
I don’t think many schools do much BMX or skateboarding to Moto X or whatever it is
Good point, why is that? I get MX/FMX but why not bikes or SB? Much like the diversity we bang on about could stretch to school sports curriculum being a bit more diverse in its activities?
As for the X-games, female BMXers have boycotted it since 2019 as they don't as an org do enough for the ladies side of the sport, hence why they prioritise other competitions. Plenty of role models out there for young women and girls but seems some significant individuals in the development of said girls need to up their game.
We can blame the external, superfluous things like pit girls, but I know plenty of women who are unphased by it as they have an iron clad desire to win at the chosen sport they love.
We could and probably should bin off all this window dressing bollocks, if only for people to realise that it's impact is minimal and that most likely there are deeper cultural issues in this arena.
I wonder how much of it is the immediate gratification vs delayed that seems to plague society today. Same can be said for the arts or anything that requires time, effort, sacrifice, discomfort and failure.
Keep checking in on this thread in case anyone has posted some pictures of which to familiarise myself with this disgusting sexist shameful filth.
What time's Moto GP on?
So are we going to ban all the cola ads with the topless hunks s as it’s just sexual gratification to sell a drink.
I don’t understand why everyone needs a role model these days to copy. Are people no longer able to make their own choices and follow those dreams?
professional sport is about making money. Sponsors pay athletes that sell the most stuff for them. Do people really think they care about the sport? It’s all about sales and image. That’s why influencers are paid, they are cheap advertising to promote whatever the paymaster wants
Good point, why is that?
Cost and not being sued if little Jimmy hurts himself.
We can blame the external, superfluous things like pit girls, but I know plenty of women who are unphased by it as they have an iron clad desire to win at the chosen sport they love.
That's great but what about all the others!
I don’t understand why everyone needs a role model these days to copy. Are people no longer able to make their own choices and follow those dreams?
The point, that you seem incapable of grasping is influencing what people dream of in the first place.
The point, that you seem incapable of grasping is influencing what people dream of in the first place.
And that takes a driven, determined individual, being supported by other driven determined individuals.
Male or female to become that role model takes a lot of work, effort and commitment and I'd argue not being distracted by arguments over pit girls. You seem to be a one trick pony bleating on about this subject but offer nothing else in the way of 'context' you go on about.
Would love to see men in speedos exclusively, might attract more women to watch.
...but I'm not going down t'pit! You can't make me!
Did OP talk to the family about the subject?
Are they fit?
Well a few of them could probably snap me in half if they went about it the right way. Or did you mean something else?
Some girls still dress like that when surrounded by other girls. Maybe they're just comfortable in their own skin. Should we be complaining about overt sexualisation there? I mean, they could do the same in a loose fitting t-shirt rather than a glorified sports bra.
But I take your point, one example is practical, the other isn't. I just thought it was worth bringing up, seems not.
Relapsed Mandalorian has managed to come up with why women don't bother with the X Games (surprise surprise it's the institutional rather than overt sexism) so I guess case closed. Those of us who actually parent rather than just relying on censorship to do it for us (because that works so well) will continue to have conversations with our children rather than having a fit of the vapours every time they see an attractive girl in lycra.
At the end of the day though, once again we have a load of mostly white, early to post middle aged blokes making decisions for women so for that reason, I've said my piece and I'm done. If women want the pit girls gone or made equal I'm more than happy to support that but I sure as hell won't presume to speak for them.
200 odd posts in and thet are still too many men on here who cannot grasp the basic point. Jeepers i thought this sort of shite was left behind in the 70s. Looks like some folk on here were left there as well.
I shouldnt be suprised tho i guess as its not that long since there was a regular leering thread on here
200 odd posts in and thet are still too many men on here who cannot grasp the basic point
Which ones, the ones leering or the ones taking upon themselves to speak for women Because the latter happened way further back than the 70's.
Are they fit? Got any pictures?
i’m outraged that you are asking a forum member if his or her daughters are “fit” and if he or she will share pictures!
or do i have the wrong end of the stick?
pit girls at the x-games is just one way that society at large is not taking easy steps to make the world a better place.
edit; if i were any more paranoid i’d be convinced that the pit girls at the x games are there to drive divisions.
as for the op’s question, dont watch the x games. if you didn’t like what they do, spend your time supporting things you do like.
You seem to be a one trick pony bleating on about this subject but offer nothing else in the way of ‘context’ you go on about.
And you seem to be presenting my argument so well I don't really need to bother. Shame you can't see what's right under your nose, you should take that helmet off once in a while.
And that takes a driven, determined individual, being supported by other driven determined individuals.
Do you think it should only be driven and determined women who should enjoy skateboarding and BMX and whatever else goes on in the X games. In order to get 1 driven and determined and talented top sporting individual you need a whole pyramid of thousands who are given the opportunity to try something and see if they are any good or enjoy it. What we don't need are people being put off by casual sexism or racism or homophobia or social class.
if i were any more paranoid i’d be convinced that the pit girls at the x games are there to drive divisions.
Nah it targets their North American demographic perfectly. Oddly you don't see that many athletes downing it and even those you do I wonder if it's the actual product in the bottle.
Do you think it should only be driven and determined women who should enjoy skateboarding and BMX and whatever else goes on in the X games
Actually I do because it ****ing hurts when it goes sideways so there needs to be a degree of physical and mental robustness at whatever level you partake, especially at the casual amatuer level as you're going to wipe out a lot more.
Like I said the problem, goes deeper than the usual talking points but nobody talks about those, just the ones that align with their luxury beliefs.
Pit girls should go then maybe we can start to look at the state of the nations youth,expanding waistlines and reduction in the participation in physical activity a little deeper than simply waving it away because some lasses want to make an easy buck in Monster hotpants and crop top.
But please do tell us and the ladies more what they can and cannot do. You're no better than those who objectify women. You, like them simply want to exert control over others choices and dress it up as altruistic concern.
i’m outraged that you are asking a forum member if his or her daughters are “fit” and if he or she will share pictures!
Pretty sure he was taking the piss in a satirical manner
So are we going to ban all the cola ads with the topless hunks s as it’s just sexual gratification to sell a drink.
No-one's talking about banning anything. Step away from the Daily Express and switch your brain back on.
I don’t understand why everyone needs a role model these days to copy.
Now that it's rebooted, maybe have a little think about why you might not understand that.
Schools kill the desire to do sport for both boys and girls. Either through lack if interest from teachers or bullying from other kids. It’s the exposure to abuse - two or three times a week every week.
If you weren’t ‘in’ you didn’t count.
I never did sport outside school as the piss taking didn’t stop at the school gates. I was the fat lad who got picked last for football, cricket - bloody everything!
I was 21 when i found mountain biking and it was a revelation and consumed the next 25 years of my life.
To blame pit girls and the like for lack of female interest is rather a stretch!
You’re no better than those who objectify women. You, like them simply want to exert control over others choices and dress it up as altruistic concern.
Really you are funny, is it your own work or do you have a writer!
Pit girls should go then maybe we can start to look at the state of the nations youth,expanding waistlines and reduction in the participation in physical activity a little deeper than simply waving it away because some lasses want to make an easy buck in Monster hotpants and crop top.
Ever heard of multivariate factors having impacts? You seem to want to know why people don't get involved in sports? The answer are numerous in number and casual sexism is undoubtedly a factor in this. If you cannot see this then you are clearly a lost cause.
I didn't start a thread just to say banning pit girls would solve sexism in sport, but the op asked his question and it seems clear to anyone with half a functioning brain cell that the don't promote inclusivity.
Schools kill the desire to do sport for both boys and girls.
Oh yeah sorry, should have known it would be schools fault 😄😄😄
i’m outraged that you are asking a forum member if his or her daughters are “fit” and if he or she will share pictures!
Pretty sure he was taking the piss in a satirical manner
Quite.
The poster I replied to was suggesting that the Monster girls are little different from his daughter, I was attempting to challenge that notion. Your reaction was exactly what I was trying to instil and neatly demonstrates the point I was making.
Which ones, the ones leering or the ones taking upon themselves to speak for women
All beginning to sound like The Iranian Council for Women 😕
Would love to see men in speedo's exclusively, might attract more women to watch.
What about using them to attract more women onto this forum ?
But then perhaps they'll start a thread on the objectiveness of men. No doubt some will even claim it empowers them 🙄
Sorry A-A but I still see it now with my nieces school. The pressure to perform is massive (athletics and horse riding! (NSEA)). Both girls are 14 and both are talking of jacking in the sports they love due to the pressure put on them mainly from other kids who they compete with and kids who have no interest and take the piss.
Should we be complaining about overt sexualisation there?
The problem isn't overt sexualisation. The problem is one of appropriate sexualisation.
once again we have a load of mostly white, early to post middle aged blokes making decisions for women so for that reason
Pretty much the answer to the 'role model' question from 20 minutes ago.
AA confirmed troll.
I didn’t start a thread just to say banning pit girls would solve sexism in sport, but the op asked his question and it seems clear to anyone with half a functioning brain cell that the don’t promote inclusivity.
Do you honestly believe that Monster, the X-Games organizers or their target audience even care about inclusivity?
I'm sure Monster will have done their market research and provide exactly what their target audience wants...
So, to get to the point, anyone who wants "inclusivity" would be better off not watching the X-Games. Luckily for us, the OP has learnt this lesson and shared it with us all.
Now, I guess, those that want something different now need to find another event or sport to get behind (or, heaven help us, organize something themselves...). There seems a fair few people of here who would prefer something different so obviously there's an opportunity to make some money somehow...
We are a million miles away from the 70s and 80s for female sporting role models. They are everywhere now and used heavily by mainstream brands in all sorts or promotion and advertising.
Some sports still have a way to go though.
You could count them on one hand 40 years ago.
Do you honestly believe that Monster, the X-Games organizers or their target audience even care about inclusivity?
No.
A better question might be, do you think they should?
both are talking of jacking in the sports they love due to the pressure put on them mainly from other kids who they compete with and kids who have no interest and take the piss.
Which is sad but is that society being reflected in the kids who are in school. Schools can only do so much, at the end of the day kids are influenced by much more than teachers
once again we have a load of mostly white, early to post middle aged blokes making decisions for women
Where? Has anyone even suggested that women shouldn't do podium and pit "girl" stuff, whatever that is? I think most people are saying that it makes an event look a bit naff, and frankly slightly embarrassing to watch. But then we are talking x games. And then there's all the women in society/women in sport issues where I think podium girls are more symptom than cause (I blame the teachers, obv 😉) but whatever. It's the event organisers who need to stop with this.
And then there's a few folks who appear unable to read what's been written.
Do you honestly believe that Monster, the X-Games organizers or their target audience even care about inclusivity?
Nope, nope, I think they do. Those who think said sports are a bro-only zone are very much the minority, contrary to what many would like to believe. Sadly though some are the organisers of events.
The issue is X-games are happy to have the Monster girls there, other events don't entertain it. In terms of women's BMX the organisers failed to satisfy the ladies demands for equal 'billing' so to speak so they chose to boycott and since then the X-Games organisers haven't bothered billing events, likewise with the FMX. Which is bizarre as they have similar numbers of ladies competing in the Skate and in all events at the winter X-Games.
Thankfully those invested in those sports know where they can find the women to look up to as they're not as absent as people make out, just that comp that has long since lost its prestige.
I think they should follow the olympic model and have badly dressed men and women looking awkward with a tray of medals and flowers. Much more 21st century.