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It's 2022, what am I supposed to say to my wife and daughter whilst watching the BMX (which was actually awesome)?
Talk about the bmx, possibly.
Not sure really, just explain that some men never grow up and still like to watch people racing on tiny bikes 🙂
Encourage your daughter to emulate Bethany Shriever?
Yup. 2022. And still this is perpetuated 😢
Ask them if they would take on the role. Let the conversation flow.
I wonder idly whether the problem is the presence of pit girls, or the lack of presence of pit boys.
Sweet. Thanks for the heads-up op.
The blonde was very pretty!
Are they not employed to be there? So not exploited as such but definitely out of place at that event.
I wonder idly whether the problem is the presence of pit girls, or the lack of presence of pit boys.
I kind of agree, if you have the women there for the men's event then you should have men for the women's event. Just in budgie smugglers if nothing more that to make sections of the audience uncomfortable.
We had a student a few years ago who had a side job as grid girl while and apprentice. It paid for her car and insurance and she was upset some people had decided that her job was unacceptable.
Edit: actually the thought of a man just stood there in trunks with monster written on them is very funny for tv.
actually the thought of a man just stood there in trunks with monster written on them is very funny for tv.
So why is it acceptable for women?
So why is it acceptable for women?
BEcause they've made a choice to be there and get paid ?
Think about the Mona Lisa.... using the logic of female exploitation, that may never have been painted if using the women can't be objects of art, desire, viewing... where would we be then ?
Can it not be accepted that men find women attractive and like looking at them ? Also that women at times use that to their advantage, either emotionally or financially and it 'works'.... Whys it so wrong ?
They know the target audience is 15 year old boys with ADHD.
It's an established formula that works; bright colours lots of radness, simpletons gibbering enthusiastically over the top, instant slow-mo's of the best bits and if you can find a way to include boobs use that. Remember the goal is not to promote extreme sports, it's to point eyeballs at fizzy-piss drink's logos and keep them engaged enough not to go back to playing COD (or whatever) during the ads...
The X-games is just a hangover from the 90s, so of course it's got "pit girls"...
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So why is it acceptable for women?
He's not saying it is. The point being made is that having Monster on top of someone's weiner might not be the best branding decision
Or it may just be a stroke of genius
Can it not be accepted that men find women attractive and like looking at them ? Also that women at times use that to their advantage, either emotionally or financially and it ‘works’…. Whys it so wrong ?
So why no men doing the same?
He’s not saying it is
I'm not sure either tbh.
The point being made is that having Monster on top of someone’s weiner might not be the best branding decision
Although the point stands, why is it ok for it to be written on boobs, ass or vagina but not a penis?
Can it not be accepted that men find women attractive and like looking at them ? Also that women at times use that to their advantage, either emotionally or financially and it ‘works’…. Whys it so wrong ?
Because there's no men in hot pants and that's before we start with objectifying the human form
Mind you comparing the Mona Lisa to a bit girl is admirable in its scope 😄😄😄
Or it may just be a stroke of genius
Stroke!!
Because there’s no men in hot pants and that’s before we stand with objectifying the human form
Will that increase their revenue ? Womens minds don't necessarily work like mens and they're not made the same, therefore having the odd bloke in hot pants won't actually give anything back in terms of revenue or viewing figures... Hence, they're not used.
Will that increase their revenue ? Womens minds don’t necessarily work like mens and they’re not made the same, therefore having the odd bloke in hot pants won’t actually give anything back in terms of revenue or viewing figures… Hence, they’re not used.
😄😄😄😄😁😁😁😄😄
Can you show your working out on that?
Have the sports that have dropped Grid/Pit girls revenues dropped?
Who is paying to go to these events just to look at them?
These sports are often ones dominated by mens participation, wonder why more women don’t get involved…
So why no men doing the same?
I suggest you tune in to Love Island, a whole eight weeks of objectifying the bodies of both sexes.
Can it not be accepted that men find women attractive and women find men attractive and like looking at them ? Also that men and women at times use that to their advantage, either emotionally or financially and it ‘works’…. Whys it so wrong ?
Fixed. There's only an issue here if we find out that X Games doesn't allow men to apply for the role, surely?
Why is who finds who sexually attractive relevant to a sports event?
These sports are often ones dominated by mens participation, wonder why more women don’t get involved…
Womens minds don’t necessarily work like mens and they’re not made the same
Obviously!!
Good old STW, people getting offended on behalf of other people. Have any of the STW SJWs asked any of the girls if they feel exploited?
Obviously!!
I know sometimes you think what you're saying is clear... but i'm not sure it's always as clear on the page as it is in your head.
Womens minds don’t necessarily work like mens and they’re not made the same
That'll be why Magic Mike and 50 Shades were such *ahem* flops then.
Have any of the STW SJWs asked any of the girls if they feel exploited?
Not really the point, as was expressed by the op.
I know sometimes you think what you’re saying is clear… but i’m not sure it’s always as clear on the page as it is in your head.
I fully expect you wouldn't understand it.
lol super... there's lovely...
It’s 2022, what am I supposed to say to my wife and daughter whilst watching the BMX
That they’re worth more to the world as things for men to look at than they are as participants in sport.
HTH.
That they’re worth more to the world as things for men to look at than they are as participants in sport.
lol INCOMING !
lol INCOMING !
😄😄😄😄 Nuance is lost on you isn't it 😄😄😄😄
Nuance is lost on you isn’t it
Oh you're going with the "i'm more educated than you and therefore a better person"
Sure, you crack on sweetheart...
Educated? Who mentioned educated?
I am simply laughing at the drivel that passes as your opinion on pit girls, and your inability to link more than one idea to another. I have no idea how well educated you are.
I'm pretty sure the correct terminology for the young ladies is brolly dollies.
what motivates some people write things like this? See it a lot on certain FB groups. It's just one step removed from calling him a bender, surely? Somewhat encapsulates the attitudes the whole thread is about really!Sure, you crack on sweetheart…
Back to the thread... They may speak (almost) the same language as us in the US, but it's a very different, very backwards place really. Saw a bit of a documentary on Channel 5 about cheerleaders for a US football team (Texas?). It was very, very serious and the prospective women were desperate to be picked for the team, and those that were picked were really proud about it. Mainly run/organised by women, they wouldn't think they were exploited and it was not really sexy/sexual at all, just a clear demarcation... the men will play the game, the women will dance. Everyone was ok with this and just thought it was the way things should be. Strange/sad really.
Tell them the system is shit & the women should be there competing & not just as eye candy.
Educate your daughter about how the world is loaded against her, how she will experience sexual harassments & how to handle it.
Get them to watch Jackass Bad Grandpa.
the men will play the game, the women will dance.
Nonsense, women can play too. It’s exactly the same as the mens game. . .
“Such was the success of seeing beautiful women play practically in lingerie that a formal league went by the Lingerie Football League’s name. It began its inaugural season in September 2009. Mitch Mortaza is the founder of the league.”
Somewhat encapsulates the attitudes the whole thread is about really!
I don't think he will understand this.
I don’t think he will understand this.
I'm not convinced i care fella... it's clear we're very different. You may see that as a good thing, just like i do.. but for very opposite reasons.
Can it not be accepted that men find women attractive and like looking at them ? Also that women at times use that to their advantage, either emotionally or financially and it ‘works’…. Whys it so wrong ?
Context innit, if you want to stock up the **** bank that's fine, no judgement from anyone. Its just a bit incongruous attaching half clothed, female models to a sporting event these days. As pointed out if you need to gawp at the professionally attractive there are numerous other, more appropriate ways to do that. Honestly I don't think omitting pit girls from the X-games would really damage the event.
Look at it this way if F1, arguably the epitome of crass consumption, toxic male ****tery and oafishness in sport can lose the pit girls, why can't the supposedly more progressive X-games?
Social norms are shifting, the way we present and recognise sexuality in public and media are sort of struggling to keep up. The old ad man's adage of "sex sells" kind of belongs to simpler, frankly more sexist, times. Its not that bolting unattainable women to you event/product wasn't offensive to people in the past, just that they were more intimidated by the likely responses (such as yours) if they spoke up.
Let's be clear, you're not really defending the employment opportunities for young, pretty women, your basic point is "Oi! I was looking at that!" just remember that's all you were ever supposed to do, the messages that go with using T&A to sell fizzy piss are more harmful...
What's wrong with being sexy?
There is an assumption in this thread that only men find women attractive and that only women find men attractive. Not really in keeping with STWs progressive image. Of course we've no way of knowing if the people being discussed even identify as girls. That's quite an assumption on the part of the OP.
I actually think it'd be a great idea if a different company (maybe femenine hygene products or something) sponsored some blokes in skimpy shorts to wander around as a piss take about it.
Maybe a slogan like "Look at me too..." or something.
Why do you need to explain this to your wife? Are you suggesting that as a woman, she’s not capable of working out the concept for herself?
There is an assumption in this thread that only men find women attractive and that only women find men attractive.
yes, im sure the ad men were thinking "lets get some scantily clad girls in to attract the lesbians"
Terrifying anachronism if you ask me. Made worse by the fact that the demographic who attend these things probably don't socialise with many real live women, and the depictions of female characters in many games is horrifyingly sexist. Somewhere along the track that must harm real women.
I met some Monster Girls once working a MotoGP in France and some were very nice, one even rode a BMX and had a shot at the pump track - most never eat or spoke and just took large amounts of drugs.
It is not about the individual girls and to say that just beacause they are getting paid doesn't make it wrong is fatuous.
Why do you need to explain this to your wife? Are you suggesting that as a woman, she’s not capable of working out the concept for herself?
I would imagine a wife might ask why he's watching something that seems to objectify women so much and he thinks the answer, I like BMX is a bit lame
I would imagine a wife might ask why he’s watching something that seems to objectify women so much and he thinks the answer, I like BMX is a bit lame
If he thinks watching BMX is a bit lame, why is he watching it then?
yes, im sure the ad men were thinking “lets get some scantily clad girls in to attract the lesbians
Hah, comment of the week.
They know the target audience is 15 year old boys with ADHD.
Thud is 14 with ADHD.
He's still asleep but I very much doubt he'd be impressed by Pit Girls.
Thump - 16 - and his girlfriend will most certainly not be.
It's lazy marketing.
If you need a board held up, fair enough - but let a range of people do it, wearing suitable clothing.
What’s wrong with being sexy?
Nothing, I find. 🙂
The question really is 'what's wrong with not being 'sexy'?' in the mind of viewers like OP's lass.
It's not an issue for for the girls doing it, I'm sure they're well paid, body confident etc. Or for the sad dads drooling over them. But do we want TV coverage for supposedly inclusive sports to be aimed at middle aged blokes rather than the next generation of potential participants?
Thump – 16 – and his girlfriend will most certainly not be.
It’s lazy marketing.
My lad (19) wouldn't be impressed either. Things have moved on.
@martinhutch - "whats wrong with being sexy?" is a reference to the film Spinal Tap where one member of the band can't differentiate between sexist and sexy.
Oh, ha! Didn't pick that one up! <Turns sarcasm detector up to 11>
Turns sarcasm detector up to 11
Touche
It just makes the x games look a bit naff. Oh, hang on...
I mean it confirms them in their naffness, not that i've seen anything of them for a decade or so but this thread suggests I'm not missing out. I mean I'm sure there's some excitement and fun stuff amidst the naffness but cba tbh.
I worked in a pub with a girl who was also a pit girl occasionally.
She loved it as a day out and because day as a pit girl paid the same as a week or two in the pub.
She spent her time as a pit girl ogling the racing drivers who were stripped into half race overalls. The rest of the time she was working on her tan.
It perpetuates objectification. Flip the "they're being paid" argument around - how many women are missing out on jobs because the recruiter can't see them as anything more than an object of desire?
Just checking in to make sure middle aged, predominantly white middle class men are still the arbiters of morality.
It’s all just a bit retrograde isn’t it? While you can’t stop members of the opposite sex enjoying looking at the other half, I don’t think we should encourage the re-institutionalisation for the benefit of just one sex
we don’t seem to have made much progress despite #metoo
It seems anachronistic, though I've not checked to see what they are wearing. I noticed the Tour still had podium girls, but dressed smartly and not appearing to do the whole last century flirty/sexy thing.
I've known women who have worked as grid girls, models, "exotic dancers" and even harcore porn stars/escorts. All seemed happy and comfortable with their choice. I might think it's outdated, I might not want my daughter doing it, but I won't look down on women who work in those roles.
This place is great sometimes.
yes, im sure the ad men were thinking “lets get some scantily clad girls in to attract the lesbians
Must be alot of that in thailand
And for balance
I don't think i've read anyone criticising the girls themselves for taking on what might be a reasonably well paid gig. If they want to use their physicality to get paid, fair play to them. I think this is more about the messages that it sends to those who watch it - Boys do the main thing, girls stand to the side and look pretty.
Have the sports that have dropped Grid/Pit girls revenues dropped?
The Tour de France now has a podium man and podium woman handing out the flowers and yellow lion. They seem to be doing OK.
COVID has caused them to no longer do the cheek kissing but man or woman makes little difference to this in France.
It seems anachronistic, though I’ve not checked to see what they are wearing. I noticed the Tour still had podium girls, but dressed smartly and not appearing to do the whole last century flirty/sexy thing.
Is it relevant to the thread that you didn't mention the smartly-but-not-sexily dressed podium 'boys'? Did you notice them or were your eyes occupied by the podium girls?
Its easy to read this thread and believe its just not OK to fancy women any more, not fancy men or say I'm not turned on by transgender people in the slightest, even if any of them choose to use their beauty or sexuality to promote objects in return for making a living*
If saying that makes people a pariah then we've become a very sad society.
*accepting that people are not forced to do it unwillingly nor abused for doing so.
You’re in a sales role, right?
Why don’t you take a scantily clad pretty girl to client sales pitches?
I mean, I assume you don’t…
Because that would be deliberate exploitation to attempt to attract customers. I expect all my colleagues to dress professionally according to their role, and in my opinion a sales role in my profession isn't one that should trade on sexual attractiveness.
The XGames role however is to deliberately and openly exploit those women's attractiveness to gain an audience. As long as they know what they are doing and why they are there, as long as they voluntarily accepted a role to do that with "eyes open" because their attractiveness allows them to earn a living, and as long as an equal opportunity for a male or transgender or any other person to do the same existed, what's the issue?
Its not just pit girsl or the like though. It's still institutional everywhere.
I've seen a few articles about fuel prices on the BBC and they always seem to have a leading picture of a nice looking female in clothes that show a bit of flesh or something nice and tight.
This sort of thing. Just isn't needed really.
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I don’t mean one of your colleagues, I mean pay a model the going rate to wear a bikini with the company logo on and stand next to you as you give the pitch.
How is that different to pit girls?
a sales role in my profession isn’t one that should trade on sexual attractiveness.
But sports and fizzy drinks are?
do you genuinely think there [I]are[/I] such opportunities? If not, you've identified the issue, as defined by your own criteria.and as long as an equal opportunity for a male or transgender or any other person to do the same existed, what’s the issue?
Its easy to read this thread and believe its just not OK to fancy women any more, not fancy men or say I’m not turned on by transgender people in the slightest,
...you get that belief from my saying pit/podium girls make an event look a bit naff? Are you sure?
I’ve seen a few articles about fuel prices on the BBC and they always seem to have a leading picture of a nice looking female in clothes that show a bit of flesh or something nice and tight.
This sort of thing. Just isn’t needed really.
I have some insight on this, as an online news editor of many years' service.
Yes, it is kind-of a thing. There will be no editorial policy for or against it, but it'll come down to individual editors' choices and what is available on the picture library they use. Some editors will favour that kind of pic.
You can spend a surprising amount of time scrolling through stock pics looking for a normal, real-looking person doing the activity you are depicting. And they still often look a bit like a model (because they are).
Also, the editor will probably try to match the picture to the current season, and it is summer at the mo.
Hope that's been of interest. Personally, I think they should have to use that pic of Rishi Sunak filling up someone else's Kia on every fuel price pic.
you’ve identified the issue, as defined by your own criteria.
Has anyone proven that an XGames "pit person" opportunity is open to "attractive young females only" as yet?
If it is then yes I agree, its unfair. Do we need sexual attractiveness to gain more audience members for sports or products, not in my opinion. But unless its proven unfair or people are coming to harm over it, again - what's the problem?
I don’t mean one of your colleagues, I mean pay a model the going rate to wear a bikini with the company logo on and stand next to you as you give the pitch.
How is that different to pit girls?
My mate is a sales rep for Red Bull. This is pretty much exactly what they do at any event he hosts.
I doubt it would be as appropriate a strategy when selling IT hardware or the like..
To Kryton - why do you not think what's going on in paragraph 2 of your last reply is applicable to paragraph 1?
Personally, I think they should have to use that pic of Rishi Sunak filling up someone else’s Kia on every fuel price pic.
Thankfully he isn't pictured wearing branded budgie smugglers. Although you must admit that he's got the vacuous grin nailed
I doubt it would be as appropriate a strategy when selling IT hardware or the like..
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WBO - I didn't say it wasn't, I'm asking for someone to explain what's wrong with it when the assumption is that the job is open to all and people are not being exploited. No one seems capable of answering that as yet.
Yes, it is kind-of a thing. There will be no editorial policy for or against it, but it’ll come down to individual editors’ choices and what is available on the picture library they use. Some editors will favour that kind of pic.
You can spend a surprising amount of time scrolling through stock pics looking for a normal, real-looking person doing the activity you are depicting. And they still often look a bit like a model (because they are).
Also, the editor will probably try to match the picture to the current season, and it is summer at the mo.
I don't mean to be flippant, but thats all pretty obvious really. The fact is that the pics being used don't need to be used. Someone is making a choice to use a pic of a nice looking woman when a picture of a petrol pump or something will do the job perfectly fine.
WBO – I didn’t say it wasn’t, I’m asking for someone to explain what’s wrong with it when the assumption is that the job is open to all and people are not being exploited. No one seems capable of answering that as yet.
Do you think the message that we should be putting out in the world, is extreme sports are for men? If you're a woman & skinny enough you can join in to, but you have to be wearing next to nothing & stand there holding a sign.