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Just noticed before going to work that Microsoft have taken out £44.75 in six payments.
This is the first month my son has had it. It's in the living room and he only plays FIFA live on it.
What do you pay per month. And if you could throw up any contact details so I can have a look lunchtime I'd appreciate it.
Ta.
Its 15 quid for 3 months, so it looks like your son has been buying games/extras, or watching mucky movies.
£39.99 per year, in one payment. Be aware that if you've selected the option store your credit/debit card details on there, it's very easy to buy game DLC/arcade games/avatar accessories...
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Approx £40 a year for live gold.
If you buy a 12 month voucher from a shop it's easier to regulate what your sons buying over the xbox store front as he has no available credit. Any further purchases he will need to have a seperate 'points' voucher (available from shops/supermarkets) therefore no nasty bills. I worked in a games shop and this is often the best method. There have also been a few cases of credit card details being obtained from xbox accounts by third parties, vouchers are just easier.
Contact Microsoft details on their website, you will need his xbox live ID and the email it's linked too. Sounds like you have been billed incorrectly or he's been doing more than playing FIFA, £44.99 being the RRP on some new release downloadable titles.
I put it through PayPal now so I get emails when he does stuff.
Though I thought Xbox live is £40 a year not £15 a month?
Sneaky edit 😉
I saw you GG...
Gone are the days when I would get a free one week trial out of 2nd hand stock, I had live free for over 2 years.
I pay £30 for 12 months of XBL Gold, which is the online subscription. There are more expensive ways of doing it. A three-month card will rush you £15, for instance.
But £45 in six payments, he's been buying points I'd hazard. Points let you buy stuff online, be that games, add-ons for games ("DLC") or other sundries like movies. If he genuinely "only plays FIFA", maybe he's bought additional DLC for that. A quick Google would suggest that there's "premium gold packs" available, whatever they are, for it.
Radical suggestion I know but, have you tried asking him about it?
My youngster ended up signing up to something called Zunes via XBox and it used a credit card that had been stored from 3 or 4 years ago when we first paid for Live to take monthly payments [~£9]
We've always paid with points since then but the card payments suddenly came to life like a sleeper
In the end the only way to stop it was to cancel the card as he had lost all his xbox live login info
To get the cc card details that have been previously entered on an xbox account removed involves phoneing microsoft as you cant do it online or on the xbox.
To get the cc card details that have been previously entered on an xbox account removed involves phoneing microsoft as you cant do it online or on the xbox.
They refused to talk to us about it
There's a massive spate of XBL account hacking going on. Microsoft took 200 quid in points off my card that had been spent on FIFA12 a game I didn't even own. Took 2 months and a lot of hassle to get the money back.
To get the cc card details that have been previously entered on an xbox account removed involves phoneing microsoft as you cant do it online or on the xbox.
This, the amount of second hand xbox's prime for hacking. Something the gaming community have been pushing for in an update is the ability to remove details of CC's etc.
27/3 MSFT XBOX LIVE*********LUX £8.50
26/3 MSFT XBOX LIVE*********LUX £4.25
22/3 MSFT XBOX £4.25
22/3 MSFT XBOX £4.25
15/3 MSFT XBOX £14.99
12/3 MSFT XBOX £8.50
These are the payments that have been taken?
500 MS Points = £4.25
1000 MS Points = £8.50
So that's 3500 points. DLC can be anywhere between 80 and 1200 points; around the 400 mark is pretty common.
The £14.99 is almost certainly a game purchase.
Oldgit - too spread out to be fraud imo. Looks like someone has gone buying crazy 😉
I can't find anywhere that lists DLC prices for FIFA 12 (it's drowned out by all the ZOMG HACKING stories) but it seems there's plenty of it, looks like you can buy players and suchlike. I'm not immediately seeing it on my Xbox either, maybe EA are doing something unconventional?
FIFA 11 is showing up on my Xbox, you can buy "live seasons" which seem to be real-life fixtures and player data. They're 400 points a pop, there's a few of them but they're for different countries, so you'd probably only ever want one of those.
too spread out to be fraud imo. Looks like someone has gone buying crazy
This. Fraudsters don't buy 500 Points, they buy 6000 at fifty quid a throw.
As cougar said, those are the prices of online points and a game rather than the prices of an xbox live subscription.
As cougar said, those are the prices of online points and a game rather than the prices of an xbox live subscription.
Yeah; I should've qualified that by saying, I've just checked on my own Xbox, that's the listed price shown there.
And if you could throw up any contact details so I can have a look lunchtime I'd appreciate it.
Your son, the living room. HTH.
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Incidentally,
To get the cc card details that have been previously entered on an xbox account removed involves phoneing microsoft as you cant do it online or on the xbox.
I thought this was the case too, but mine is showing a "Remove Payment Option" option in the Account Management menu now. Perhaps they've changed it? I can't immediately test it, as they don't actually have any payment details currently.
Interestingly, "Add PayPal" has also appeared as a payment method since I last looked. That's definitely new.
Sorted I think.
Looks like he has been buying points to get up to his mates level, as he has just come from Playstation.
Account now blocked, and paid up for the year.
If he want's points, we'll have to get a card.
Remove payment option etc doesn't 100% erase the CC data from the console. CC's get linked to gamertags and can be hacked & reinstated without having the actual CC there. It's not even a difficult process. Phoning Microsoft they remove the correlation between ganertag and CC so you would need the card present to set it up again. It used to take 28 days for Microsoft to clear it with their scripted staff denying it could happen, staff in games shops and those hacked knowing otherwise. All the ganeshop staff and ex staff I know only use vouchers for this reason.
Looks like he has been buying points to get up to his mates level,
Doesn't explain the fifteen quid game he bought, though... (-:
CC's get linked to gamertags and can be hacked & reinstated without having the actual CC there.
Interesting. Have you got a source for that or is it rumour?
All the ganeshop staff and ex staff I know only use vouchers for this reason.
The new Paypal option looks attractive, thinking about it. You can readily change the password on the PP account then. In fact, you could use a specific password just for the Xbox; use a different password and then when you want to buy something, change the password on the account to the one the Xbox knows, make your purchase, change it back again.
That was for three months subscription.
That was for three months subscription.
Ah! Yes, of course.
Paying for the year is way more cost effective, incidentally; I'm guessing you've seen this now though. Paying for three-month cards is double the price of a 12-month sub. Cheapest (reliable) price I've found is £30.99 for the year.
Cheers.
Looks like he has been buying points to get up to his mates level, as he has just come from Playstation.Account now blocked, and paid up for the year
You haven't mentioned owning him with bombers or weeing in his shoes?
He already owns a child's face.
Interesting. Have you got a source for that or is it rumour?
The method to crack a hard drive isnt hard to find. Also something I have heard but not seen so I can't verify is you can mirror the hard disc onto another hard disc externally without the original owner knowing, I've not seen this so could be bull.
I know from customers experience 'remove payment method' didn't fully remove the details. It was really easy on the original Xbox to get old CC details, Microsoft deny it but addressed it in original Xbox's hardware versions 1.5 or more recent, it was then they went to Samsung components with a non solid disc tray.
So, no, then. (-:
I'm guessing, but I'd imagine that any sort of hackery involving the disk would require physical access to the drive. So you're looking at the second-hand market or burglary. Pretty sure we can rule out the latter; your average burglar is a scrote looking for a few quid for his next wrap rather than someone who's going to use forensic tools to look for cached / deleted data.
Not sure if by "original Xbox" you're referring to the old Xbox 1 or the early 360s? If you really mean the old classic Xboxes then it's irrelevant anyway, they're wholly unrelated devices.
Guessing again, but is CC information even stored on the device itself? When you add a payment method it authenticates to MS's servers; after that, all you ever see is "card ending in ...4567" type information. It wouldn't surprise me if CC data never touches a local hard disk and is just held centrally online. That seems to me to be the sensible way of doing it, all the Xbox then needs to know is "I'd like to use payment method 1 please" to complete a transaction.
What [i]might [/i]be more of an issue than cracking the 360's HDD is cracking Live usernames, which presumably is what's happening with the current rash of FIFA 'hacking'. If you fraudulently 'recover' someone's account, what does that give you access to? Moreover, what does that give you access to that the original owner thinks has been removed?
I wouldn't be wholly shocked if MS could recover details that a user thinks they've removed from their account. That would be consistent with hacked accounts being able to reinstate removed payment methods, but from memory I don't recall ever seeing that sort of feature anywhere.
TBH though, I doubt though that the current hacking is anything clever. If your account name is "dave" and your password is "dave1" then really, you've only got yourself to blame. I expect they're either guessed / brute forced passwords, or passwords obtained via keyloggers in PC malware. Once a password is obtained, they'll make their purchases and then be on their way; I doubt there's going to be any complicated 'credit card recovery' going on, they'll just quickly strip-mine what they can and then move on to the next compromised punter. Why bother messing about when it's far easier just to use another account which already has everything there?
Where I'm going with this is, I don't think there's any great threat in practical terms. If there was, the usual suspects would be having a field day.