[Closed] WW3

There is no need to worry about a nuclear blast.  Plenty of helpful information on this gov website.  You just need to stay in doors until the fallout has finished and then you can carry on with your daily business.

https://www.ready.gov/nuclear-explosion

Strange how the article fails to mention that even if you survive the blast you'll most likely be living in a world resembling that of Mad Max and you'll probably die of starvation or radiation sickness!

Something tells me the Russians are still pissed about this

https://taskandpurpose.com/russian-mercenaries-syria-leaked-audio/

Strange how the article fails to mention that even if you survive the blast you’ll most likely be living in a world resembling that of Mad Max and you’ll probably die of starvation or radiation sickness

It will however solve the climate change and over-population problems. Those who survive can look forward to a bright new future of clean air, sustainable living and less cars on the road.

And a nuclear winter😀

on the back of the shit winter we've just had. I'd be really pissed off by that.

So, Trump’s apparently made his mind up (if he has one, that is)

Awaits Russia’s response.

They have got to respond. Very sad time for the UK. Apart from the Daily Mail brigade, I don’t think any believe what the US, UK and France are doing is the right thing to do.

Vikings vs Saxons vs Arabs, not exactly a new story.

The Russians have gone rogue but you cant go bombing Moscow so Damascus will have to do.  They wont do anything, they are skint heavies in leather jackets.

These bombs seem very expensive though at £1m a pop. What would be more effective is to tighten the money screws on their trade and laundering. Putin would be out but then you never know who you’ll get instead.

The magic money tree is back.

How come we haven't bothered with sexed up dossiers this time?

These disingenuous liars and need to be barred from holding positions of power for ever. The level of contempt they have for evidence and facts and their electorate is sickening. T. May is a desperate and weak warmonger, slavishly following orders from her masters.

The magic money tree is back.

Let's face it, it's practically a forest in these sort if times.

4 UK jets bomb Syria ..

DasFurhur says “no practicable alternative”

UK local elections coming up..

Pre-emotive strike eh Contards.

What a stupid move by the uk.

Standard political distraction technique. Everything is going to shit, let's start a war so the papers write about that instead.

Well, that's the use of chemical weapons in the future prevented, then. Right?

Seems we're pretty unanimous here.

BBQ at mine tonight - you bring the beer, Russia will provide the heat for toasting my burger.

So May isn’t bothering with trifling matters like consulting parliament now? She has no majority, and no clear mandate for military action either in parliament or the country, so she just bypasses that and does what Donald trump tells her. Disgusting. It’s Iraq all over again.

We don't need Parliament's permission to go to war - we have a monarchy to decide stuff like that. Makes you proud, eh?

I’ve woken up disgusted that an individual who shows a complete inability to secure a viable future for our country has sped up the process by taking us to war of her own merit.   If we wanted to halt the use of chemical weapons in Syria it needed to be done by a proof point and via the UN.   We now look like the stupid kid that teamed up with the bully because he thought it was cool to do so.

I’m not political in the slightest, but since May took over this country has been falling further into the mire with every day that passes.  Never in my lifetime have I known a less successful leader and someone so difficult to support.    She needs to go, soon.

And lets face it, the “world” is now led be a bunch or self effacing children with no idea beyond there own ambition of how to lead people to a successful conclusion.  Dark times.

Not really surprised that May jumped in with the US; she has a very long history of riding on the coat tails of others ... but why Macron?

Was he told to by his EU leaders to take some of the shine off Mays obedience with Trump??

The world just became a far more dangerous place: keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Potentially partisan source but this is an interesting video 

Obviously we can't see what was put on afterwards to know if it's a valid reason for cutting the interview short but looks sketchy as hell.

“BBQ at mine tonight – you bring the beer, Russia will provide the heat for toasting my burger.”

I’ll ask Yuri to bring the Coca Cola and Budweiser. I don’t know where he gets it from but it’s the cheapest I’ve seen.

FFS - I'm booked in for BPW next weekend. Hope Russia hasn't leveled the place by then - would kinda make uplift pointless.

Stupid move by the uk as with Brexit another thing I don't want to be a part of.

Can I please enjoy a few months in my new house before Russia wipes us off the planet, my mortgage got approved Wednesday but house isn't built till August.

Even the pro brexit hang everyone motorbike forum I look at ,think bombing Syria is a shit idea. Even Farage has been against it.

Hopefully the whole country will save putin the job and give our leaders a comprehensive kicking.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Our track record of intervening in Syria and the Middle East is terrible.
2:04 AM - Apr 14, 2018

Nigel Farage.

Can I please enjoy a few months in my new house before Russia wipes us off the planet, my mortgage got approved Wednesday but house isn’t built till August.

You've still got time to add a nuk bunker to your plans ...

Obviously we can’t see what was put on afterwards to know if it’s a valid reason for cutting the interview short but looks sketchy as hell.

I agree.   I recently read a book which contained a section which I cen’t remember verbatim but basically stated “don’t think for one minute top news readers are paid a lot of money to present the news; they are paid a lot of money to make sure you continue to hear what those above them want you to hear”.

Sup up your beer and collect your fags
There's a row going on down near Syria
Get out your mat and pray to the west
I'll get out mine and pray for myself
Thought you were smart when you took them on
But you didn't take a peep in their artillery room
All that rugby puts hairs on your chest
What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

Hello-hurrah, what a nice day, for the Eton rifles
Hello-hurrah, I hope rain stops play, with the Eton rifles

Thought you were clever when you lit the fuse
Tore down the house of commons in your brand new shoes
Compose a revolutionary symphony
Then went to bed with Donald Trump

Hello-hurrah, cheers then mate, its the Eton rifles
Hello-hurrah, an extremist scrape, with the Eton rifles

What a ..

Currently in Kirkcaldy, it’s hard to imagine a Nuclear War making any difference.

Can I please enjoy a few months in my new house before Russia wipes us off the planet,

I was thinkin why the **** did i pay mine off last night...lol

In other news i never cut the fat off my bacon this morning...enjoy it while you can.

On a more morbid note i was sat thinking some of those parents lost kids in a gas attack , whos job is it to protect those who cant protect themselves .

Strategically doesnt seem very clever:

Bomb an area  prior to evidence gathering that could lead to greater support for action.

Become the aggressor.

Support extreme Islamic ground forces.

I wouldnt expect much else from Trump and May but Macron is the suprise here?

Maybe (hopefully) they know something we dont.

Syrians are saying they shot down most of the 112 missiles btw, probs take that with a pinch of salt.

Potentially partisan source but this is an interesting video <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">

Obviously we can’t see what was put on afterwards to know if it’s a valid reason for cutting the interview short but looks sketchy as hell.

Check out the link I posted earlier in this thread to hear the same argument being made.

As I understand it the OPCW were scheduled to visit the alleged chemical plants next week. That'll be the same ones they've just bombed then? Handy that there will be nothing for them to check - unless of course some of the bombs they've dropped were tainted....

I think Putin has misjudged this one, his endgame is domestic power. disrupting the west and sabre rattling makes him look strong, with the odd terrorist act thrown in for good measure, which Russian television simultaneously decries that the enemies of Russia have no where to escape, but of course Russia didn't do nod nod wink wink.

But the US, UK and France all need distractions from domestic problems, and to look strong themselves, so he has handed them an easy short term victory. He really can't win militarily unless he actually does plan on going out in a ball of nuclear flames. I mean ffS who remembers the aircraft carrier limping through the channel last year with accompanying tugs in case it broke down, instead of getting all hot and bothered about it, people should have assembled on the south coast pointed and laughed.

There will be no winners in escalation, the world will be damaged economically and socially, but Russia will lose a lot worse than any other major player (unfortunately the states closest to the Russian borders could lose worst of all).

US/France/UK have done as they said they would. Rightly or wrongly, I think to do nothing would have been a mistake.

Assad was told "Chemical weapons is the red line". To do nothing would have emboldened Assad (and given Putin another victory over the West).

It would appear that the US/France/UK had informed Russia days ago of the intended targets, who as expected told the Assad regime. The facilities had been evacuated or at least given enough time to get their people out.

I see this as a political challenge to Putin by the US/UK and this is the main event IMO.

I don't support Trump or May or an escalation in the Syrian (or a wider) conflict but I don't see how the US/France/UK could be seen to be backing down after the statements made about chemical weapons. I would rather the Syrian civil war never started but we are where we are.

I would not like to explain the gassed Syrian children why nothing was done when they were gassed.

*I have based this on entirely unseen intelligence but assume the US/France/UK have the evidence Macron claims. If this action was taken without the evidence claimed by the US/France/UK then all 3 leaders should resign immediately.

The evidence they've handily destroyed?

What tyres for a nuclear winter?

I'm going Storm Control...maybe Schwalbe will bring out the Comrade Conrad.

Is bombing a "chemical weapons stockpile" a rational act at all? I'd have thought that a little more care might be required.

Why would the Russians nuke a place they had spent a fortune mapping.

http://blogs.bl.uk/magnificentmaps/2017/02/soviet-military-mapping-of-the-cold-war-era.html

The 1:50000 stuff is perfect for the commander of a motor rifle regiment, bridge weight bearing, soft ground, location of large warehousing etc

That may woman is a bit thick tho

She should have done a putin and said ....wtf it wasnt us prove it.

And lets not forget who supplied part of this stockpile of chemicals

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28212724

I can see how we've got here..

Nerve agent on the streets of Salisbury followed by Chlorine (?) in Syria - both with strong ties to Putin.

For Trump et al that's a line in the sand that can't be crossed. Failing to act normalises the use of CW to them.

Do I think we should have bombed them last night? Hell no - what happened to the UK being a moderating force for US military action in the World. Now it seems we can't wait to launch our missiles. Wait 48hrs & we might have had some proof, now? Now, the conspiracy theorists & those with a political axe to grind are going to have a field day. Bloody inept is the only way to describe our current crop of politicians & I include all of them from all parts of the spectrum in that description!

As for the p1ss & wind about a war being a political action re the Falklands? Yeah, like F it is. 1 in 5 support military intervention in the Syria ( https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/04/12/two-one-public-oppose-missile-strikes-syria/) & with the Tories being almost universally unpopular, with good reason too, do you really think they'd do this quite so willingly if they didn't think they had no choice?? As for it being a distraction? What? Use one cluster F of a bad decision to fog & hide the mess of another? Uh??? They are just bloody sh1te & that's really about the strength of it.

& yes they probably quite deliberately did it prior to Parliament being recalled next week as they'd know they'd probably lose any kind of debate/vote.

Yet another example of this shower of shite that is the current Gov trying to circumvent democracy.

US/France/UK have done as they said they would. Rightly or wrongly, I think to do nothing would have been a mistake.

Assad was told “Chemical weapons is the red line”. To do nothing would have emboldened Assad (and given Putin another victory over the West).

this and everything else that poster said. Its not good but we have no real choice. We have to do something about Russia in general and we cannot ignore red lines or it renders them meaningless

The real issue is what is the end game/outcome wanted for  this conflict [ both Syria and with Russia]. I am not sure  the west knows what they want to achieve  and I am not sure russia does either [ other than to weaken and destabilise - though it looks very much like they are enabling the West to unite behind a common enemy].

Its all a bit tiresome as I feel like we are just reliving history  with the cold war and proxy wars

this and everything else that poster said. Its not good but we have no real choice. We have to do something about Russia in general and we cannot ignore red lines or it renders them meaningless

Aye. **** the evidence (or lack thereof) **** youv'e no democratic mandate, **** the opinion of the population you are dragging into war, **** the lives of the innocents and combatants on all sides. Can't be seen to be making arbitrary red lines and not acting on them.

Are you trolling? If not then your attitude is bizarre at best.

In the meantime during this political posturing, actual people die for others ambitions.

I may be romancing a little but we wouldn't have been here had we got Corbyn.

That's a better world.

Interesting to see how many who immediately dismiss “intelligence sources” about CW or Syria are the same people who unquestionably accept intelligence community sources about Donald Trump and ties to Russia (or golden showers in Russian hotel rooms or that matter)

I like how we have to retaliate to uphold the sanctity of the chemical weapons convention but things like UN authorisation to launch an offensive strike is a non issue

I can also see how we got here and i guess its just as much a political warning to Russia as it was for Syria.

Not really surprised that May jumped in with the USthere

Radio report I heard first thing was that she was urging for action because if it didn't happen quickly she loses the excuse that there wasn't time to consult parliament.

Are you trolling? If not then your attitude is bizarre at best.

Thanks  - very rational rebuttal

Handy that there will be nothing for them to check – unless of course some of the bombs they’ve dropped were tainted….

You seem to be suggesting we are  lying  - its surprises me how many rational fok  are wiling to repeat the russian trolling and get all JHJ. You know its not the first attack in Syria , you know they have been before, you know they have found them guilty before of using chemicals . Either we are lying and so are the independent auditors  or Russia and asaad are lying. You are free to pick which one and swear at those who disagree with you.

UN authorisation to launch an offensive strike is a non issue

its impossible to get   since russia has vetoed resolutions 6 times and will veto any resolution. You know they tried again this wee to pass a resolution

I do agree it was wrong to bypass parliament

It's not actually wrong to bypass parliment though is it, that's just a recent convention rather than a legal requirement

All this does is reinforce that international law isn't important if you are acting on moral grounds, which is a trap as what's moral for me, isn't what's moral for you necessarily

Disgusting. It’s Iraq all over again

That was an invasion, this isn't.

Also, do you lot not realise that since the start of this we've had "advisers" embedded with anti-assad forces and have been launching air strikes in Syria anyway. We are in no more of a state of war than we were yesterday.

Nor is WW3 about to start as we didn't even hit the airbases that Russia was losing its mind about, even the Guardian doesn't seem to care.

wrong does not mean illegal - its wrong to have an affair but its not illegal

Its a recent convention since Blair iirc

I like how we have to retaliate to uphold the sanctity of the chemical weapons convention but things like UN authorisation to launch an offensive strike is a non issue

I’m sure the rest of the security council would have waved that right through. Who are they again?

Junkyard, well put. No good options.

Maybe it's just me that thinks it's a bit odd that current UK National Security Adviser Mark Sedwill (himself an ex UN weapons inspector),

was heavily involved in Iraqi WMD scandal, along with UK's recently departed UN representative, Matthew Rycroft.

Just don't mention the 114 child abuse files that went missing under Sedwill's watch as Home Office Permanent Secretary with Theresa May

As I understand it the OPCW were scheduled to visit the alleged chemical plants next week. That’ll be the same ones they’ve just bombed then? Handy that there will be nothing for them to check – unless of course some of the bombs they’ve dropped were tainted….

You sound like a Russian stooge. The bombs won't destroy the traces, but if they find it.... it's definately because we smuggled chemical weapons onto our submarines months ago and lauched them in weapons that were never designed to carry them. Because we're actually the evil ones, not an ex-kgb murderous mysogynistic homophobe voted for by a country with the most vile and racist football firms in the world.

That was an invasion, this isn’t.

Semantic pedantry. Bloody ridiculous thing to say tbh seeing as high explosive missiles are far more destructive than soldiers with machine guns. In any case that's largely irrelevant. The relevant thing here is that our 'elected' prime minister has taken a unilateral decision to attack another country when she has no parliamentary majority, no mandate in parliament, and very little support from the public. Are we actually a democracy or a military dictatorship? Our military forces are not Theresa May's plaything. Using our forces in any combat situation requires all the proper checks and balances to be exercised to ensure their proportionate and proper use, and that includes the authorisation of parliament via a demonstrable majority of MPs via a vote or otherwise. Even with Iraq Blair went to parliament, May didn't do that because she knew she'd be defeated, so instead decided to act like a tinpot dictator.

So, if this is just Theresa Mays fault, why have our forces been in the country for years? We've been bombing Syria out of Akritori for yonks. Why fo you suddenly care now? Also, forcing Parliamentry approval for any type of strike outside og an invasion..... for any reason would massively reduce our chance to respond quickly to fast changing circumstances that threaten oyr security.

Instead of spending 70 billion on warfare

why not say you have 6months assad we pull all these people out your wanting to kill

and you and putin do what the hell you want , no one left to kill no need for chem weapons no need for war Trump May Macron look like saints for doing the good thing

Cynical mike says something else may be more important

Our military forces are not Theresa May’s plaything. Using our forces in any combat situation requires all the proper checks and balances to be exercised

I'm no expert, but last night's goings-on would suggest it doesn't.

and you and putin do what the hell you want , no one left to kill no need for chem weapons no need for war

Because the flames of the far right were fanned enough by just a few million refugees let alone the whole country being relocated. Because relocation of everyone would amount to destroying Syrian culture and because if we did this for every despotic warring nation people would probably decide that Enoch was actually right.

None of which we want.

The relevant thing here is that our ‘elected’ prime minister has taken a unilateral decision to attack another country when she has no parliamentary majority, no mandate in parliament, and very little support from the public. Are we actually a democracy or a military dictatorship?

We already voted for air strikes in Syria, remember? You know, Corbyn being Corbyn, Hilary Benn giving one of the best parliamentary speeches of the decade, big vote at the end of it? Remember it yet?

Syrians shooting down american missiles with american hardware, while americans sell hardware to the middle east. War is big business ,i would rather puppet May had kept her trap shut and not have got involved. Enough to sort out on our own doorstep. Now let's tally up how many innocents get killed with the stray missiles ' rocket man' shoots.

A measured response with the limited and clear objective of deterring the future use of these horrible indiscriminate weapons by showing there is a military cost to doing so.  Whether it will be an effective deterrent only time will tell, but the fact that it is supported by most Western countries, unlike Iraq, shows that it is seen as a sensible step.

May has a democratic mandate - that is why she is Prime Minister.

We already voted for air strikes in Syria, remember? You know, Corbyn being Corbyn, Hilary Benn giving one of the best parliamentary speeches of the decade, big vote at the end of it? Remember it yet?

That was a vote on air strikes against ISIS in Syria.

Cameron suffered a defeat in 2013 on action against Assad on the use of chemical weapons. It was actually one of the best recent examples of representative parliamentary democracy as the British public made their feelings known to their MPs, who voted accordingly, including Tories against the party line. Much to the annoyance of Cameron.

Are we actually a democracy or a military dictatorship?

Unless i missed the bit where May was a serving General who overthrew the  democratic leadership with a  coup then we remain a democracy. the rest of your post was rational and reasonable so no need for that level of hyperbole

May has a democratic mandate

she does not even have a majority of MPs  for her  party/agenda never mind the majority of the pubic backing her agenda/party. I would not over egg this claim if i were you, its  a minority govt - I assume you know what that means?

 May has a democratic mandate – that is why she is Prime Minister.

With votes bought from the DUP. That magic money tree again.

That was a vote on air strikes against ISIS in Syria.

Cameron suffered a defeat in 2013 on action against Assad on the use of chemical weapons. It was actually one of the best recent examples of representative parliamentary democracy as the British public made their feelings known to their MPs, who voted accordingly, including Tories against the party line. Much to the annoyance of Cameron.

Semantics, there is little difference between striking ISIS and Assad - they are both strikes that attack sovereign Syria. Labour MPs unfortunately showed a lack of backbone by voting against strikes against Assad in 2013 but for strikes against ISIS in 2015, when the former is just as bad as the latter.

She has the confidence of the democratically elected chamber which provides her with executive authority - that is by definition a democratic mandate.

No doubt, there will be a vote next week which she will win, I anticipate a number of Labour MPs not following the whip.  But any vote is of limited value because the MPs will never have all the available information to make as informed a decision.

We’ve been bombing Syria out of Akritori for yonks. Why fo you suddenly care now?

Many of us cared greatly at the time of Hilary Benn’s bastardry, and still do.

She has the confidence of the democratically elected chamber which provides her with executive authority – that is by definition a democratic mandate.

and a very interesting way, and typical of you on here,  of admiting the point that the majority of the population do not support her and did not vote for her and  she an her party did not win.

On the upside..technically the strikes seems to have gone well, few or no casualties and we also better know our and Russias capability.

and a very interesting way, and typical of you on here,  of admiting the point that the majority of the population do not support her and did not vote for her and  she an her party did not win.

None of which are required by our system of parliamentary democracy, so are of academic interest only.  Are you going to accuse me of being a troll next?

i like the way that you argue the majority not supporting her is academic when you are going on about her democratic mandate  😆

I would never call you a troll as i think you believe what you say on here and a person like you , as that last post shows, would clearly never say anything just to get a rise. .

i like the way that you argue the majority not supporting her is academic when you are going on about her democratic mandate

Because it is irrelevant, we have a system, elections are fought on that system and parties set themselves to contest on the basis of our rules, and under that democratic system she has power.    I can't think of a "Western" country where the leader has the majority of the population's support, although Orban got very close.