[Closed] Woy for Engerland ?

No, please no, not Woy. The whole country wants Hawwy Wedknapp so they speak to Woy

Just clocked that. Interesting or a yes man?! Certainly not the peoples choice as that was 'Arry! Lots of experience though here and abroad.

No, please no, not Woy. The whole country wants Hawwy Wedknapp so they speak to Woy

I for one do not want Redknapp.

West Ham
Portsmouth
Southampton

All nearly went bust. Why? because Redknapp NEEDS millions upon millions to build a team, and as he's again proving at Spurs, he's not very good at actually delivering results. Not great credentials for the england job, where "you can only piss with the cock you've got"

Hodgson can build a team on peanuts, and can do this very well, proving he's a genuine manager, knows tactics, knows how to get his players playing. best man for the job IMO.

If they appointed arry, the first sniff of failure and the press would have been all over his dodgy dealings, the FA would have looked even bigger fools than they usually do.

In reality there are probably only 3 managers in the world who could get the England team to perform better than the sum of the parts (ferguson mourinho and pep, and I am not sure what pep will do away from barca).

Hodgson will be OK, nothing much will be expected and nothing much will be delivered.

Just do the obvious thing - give it to Harry on a temporary basis for the Euros, get him on a Venablesesque spirit, England go out heroically due to tactical naivety.

Appoint Mourinho after he quits Madrid & watch the sparks fly after the world cup campaign gets off to a less than auspicious start.

Roy has a good track record with underskilled groups and getting the best out of them, with internatonal experience

'Arry has a good track record with a cheque book to go out and find underrated players to fit into a team - Arry's cheque book management won't be any use with a national team

Roy has a good track record with underskilled groups

But Liverpool was too big an ask 😆

silk purse, sow's ear I'm afraid. Let Woy have a go, he can't make a worse mess of it than Capello

Uncle Roy's cv is considerably stronger than Harry's, but his time at Liverpool showed he can't deal with big time charlies. And that's just a few of them - a whole squad of arseholes will overwhelm him.

Harry's over-rated by and large, but he does seem to have the right sort of man-management personality. He's not a Capello-style autocrat who's going to dictate the number of peas on each players plate at the team dinner. But he's not a pushover like Pearce - he can lay down the law when needed.
Be interesting to see if he'd be bold in his selections, or if it would be the same old cauldron of shite. Redknapp developed some superb young players at West Ham.

I don't believe the England team need a tactical genius as manager (they had that in Capello) they need a manager that has the respect of the players and can motivate them. We have already seen that Roy Hodgson hasn't got the respect of top players as he clearly struggled at Liverpool. I still think that of the rumoured 6 shortlisted, Harry Redknapp is probably the best choice. Yes he has near enough bankrupted every club he's been at, but you can hardly blame him for spending the money he's been given. He's always done pretty well with that money. Did really well at West Ham. Kept Portsmouth in the premier league with an unbelievable run and won the FA cup, will most likely get 4th for Spurs this season.
I hope the FA are just interviewing at this stage, as I think Roy Hodgson will be hounded out of the job after a few dodgy results.

If Roy doesn't have the respect of the players I'm pretty sure he'll not pick them for the squad.

I really don't think the fans and the press will give the guy a chance. He does well at clubs like WBA, Fulham et al where the they over acheive and the fans/press love him.

As a Spurs fan this is great news.

Harry does like to spend but he also likes to coach. The England job wouldn't give him the day to day contact with the players that he enjoys.

He seems to be able to manage with fragile egos of a team of stars (apart from Darren Bent). Hopefully Hodgson will do the same for England

It actually doesn't matter who gets the job. It's not like we are serious contenders to win anything at present.

Hodgson = maclaren mk2
Arry = El Tel mk2

Whoever gets the job will have a shit time and win nothing. My vote is Holloway, at least it would be funny.

muggomagic - Member
I hope the FA are just interviewing at this stage, as I think [s]Roy Hodgson[/s] [whoever gets it] will be hounded out of the job after a few dodgy results.

Fixed that for you.

In reality I think the press will turn on whoever gets it. The England manager is just viewed as something to generate headlines by the tabloids. Our last few campaigns have all been, as least partly, hampered by the press's attacks on players and the manager.

The FA want someone who can do more than just pick the senior squad and take them to tournaments. They want someone who can help develop the whole system. Hodgson is clearly more qualified to do this than Redknapp.

As a Pompey fan i am torn. Part of me wants Redknapp to get it so the media really examines him, but i've experienced his methods and they are good for the teams he is involved with. He's isn't very good tactically or at coaching, and is terrible when it comes to developing younger players.

i ll only live so long why do the fa keep appointing no bodies i d like to see em win sommat! italia 90 the best shot we had.. and now Woy ..

The England coach will not be there to develop the whole system. They are to appoint someone as a technical director who will be responsible for that (rumoured to be Gareth Southgate), who is going to work alongside Trevor Brooking. The England coach will solely responsible for the performance of the senior squad.

The England coach will solely responsible for the performance of the senior squad.

Short appointment then.

Im an West brom fan so would prfer him to stop with us. but if your going to lose a manager lose it to the england job. he will be a better manager than rednapp who only looks after one person himself and would walk if he lost a couple of games. good luck to roy but it looks like championship football season after next again for albion as there are some shite managers out there. ho hum.

[i]My vote is Holloway, at least it would be funny. [/i]

LOL, very true!

Hodgson has a great record as a turd polisher - that's sadly what is needed for England.

Harry has a great record when he can blow tons of cash to get good players. A luxury not available as national manager.

I've lost all interest in watching the footie this year, being a Leeds Utd fan doesn't help btw.

More quiet time for riding while everyone's watching the England matches.

[b][u]warton[/u][/b] - [u]Member[/u]

I for one do not want Redknapp.

West Ham
Portsmouth
Southampton

All nearly went bust. Why? because Redknapp NEEDS millions upon millions to build a team, and as he's again proving at Spurs, he's not very good at actually delivering results....

National sides don't buy players though, they just borrow the best available from their relevant clubs and give them back (more often that not, broken!) afterwards. Surely Harry would be ideal in this position, where he can cherry pick whoever he likes?

With regard to Spurs' poor recent form, incidentally, I truly believe that is due to the uncertainty and speculation over Harry's future. They were doing pretty damn well before Capello was sacked, if the FA were never going to approach Harry then I think they've done Spurs an injustice by not saying so at the outset.

if the FA were never going to approach Harry

He was clearly on the list, and he will have been informally interviewed at some stage. I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out later that negotiations took place and he asked for more than the FA was willing to give.

The deal will have been agreed before the announcement to avoid looking like they have been turned down if it goes sour.

Hodgson: managed sixteen teams in eight countries, has served as a member of UEFA & FIFA technical study groups and speaks five languages.

Redknapp: managed a handful of teams in England, semi-literate wheeler-dealer, barely speaks English.

Hard choice.......

If they let Stuart Pearce carry on, he might do a De Matteo and surprise everyone by doing better than the supposed 'Savior'

He's managed the under 21's successfully, so he'd be keen to play the youngsters instead of the usual pack of prima donna has-beens, who've consistently failed to deliver for years. Weighed down as they are with their own enormous ego's, and the shear mass of their own *ishness. Can anyone else stand to see John *ing Terry, Ashley Cole, Gerrard and Lampard take to the pitch in England shirts again? Seriously?

I do think that this utter shambles has removed the absolutely ludicrous level of expectation though. Which has to be a good thing. A bit of reality won't go amiss for a change

Albert Einstein Quotes. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

Forgetting the victims (Liverpool) who never gave him a chance at all. Hodgson`s record is far superior to the twitcher.
Harry only gets teams so far by throwing money at them, when that cash limit is reached he has no ideas left. Look at the current spurs team and think about how it will shape up next year?? Modric will go, Bale also most likely, Ade will have to go back and they wont be anywhere near this years level. Fair play to Levy for keeping a tight rein on him, he has noted the damge Harry can do if left unchecked.

RH might not be the media favourite but most unblinkered fans can see he is a solid choice in a field of very few candidates.

If Roy goes to England and Mcleish gets sacked from the Villa after taking them down he could go to WBA. What a hattrick that could be!

Steve Keen should be available in a couple of weeks. I reckon he could out-McClaren McClaren

Actually..... knowing the FA, it wouldn't surprise me

Actually my opinion of hodgson has softened slightly.

If he can utilise our pretty meagre resources properly, RH will produce a defensive but pacy team that will probably achieve its natural level of quarter finalists.

No-one else would do any better and expectations will be lower than if HR was in post.

Pearce is far too honest to manage the egos, he'll nevewr be more than an assistant.

A manager can only do so much and must work with what they are given at International level as there are no new players to be brought in.

I am not sure than Harry is the tactical man management genius people think he is and view him more as Keegan type character…emotional , not brilliant tactically but popular.

Roy has the experience and that is surely a key factor at International level- either way the team will continue to achieve exactly what the sum of their collective talents *[ mid table Internationally speaking] whilst the baying public ignore the vastly superior teams and records of countries like Spain. Brazil, Germany , Holland etc and hark back to the time they once one it at home

I don’t think roy will be any better or any worse than any other contender but as noted above he is more likely to polish a turd and far more capable of leaving something in place that will bear fruit on coming years [ ie develop the structure and the training regime] …naturally I prefer Harry 😉

*only Rooney and Cole would make a European squad never mind team [ Gerrard would have in his prime and perhaps Rio – terry would not play for any other country as they prefer players who can defend rather than lead men and throw themself at the ball when they are woefully out of position to actually defend properly]

the reality is England are not actually that good whoever manages them

so the FA said they would speak to a few people

they have now leaked the name of one person they want to speak to.

non-story innit?

gooner69 - Member

Forgetting the victims (Liverpool) who never gave him a chance at all. Hodgson`s record is far superior to the twitcher.
Harry only gets teams so far by throwing money at them, when that cash limit is reached he has no ideas left. Look at the current spurs team and think about how it will shape up next year?? Modric will go, Bale also most likely, Ade will have to go back and they wont be anywhere near this years level. Fair play to Levy for keeping a tight rein on him, he has noted the damge Harry can do if left unchecked.

I'd like to see him give it a go tbh. You think back to the last 'man manager' England had though, Keegan, and it was disastrous.

Neil Warnock - c' mon, just think of the possibilities!

Spying on the opposition, arranging fights with stroppy fans and complete and utter dedication, providing we play all our home fixtures at Bramall Lane.

In terms of throwing money at teams - Harry didn't buy Modric or Bale, and both were seriously underachieving before he got there. Bale in particular was a laughing stock - how long did he go before being on a winning Spurs side? They would now be considered elite players - Harry deserves credit there.

I'd like to see him give it a go tbh. You think back to the last 'man manager' England had though, Keegan, and it was disastrous.

Obviously a spud fan Garry 8)My point about throwing money at things was that he only tends to look at a short term position, as opposed to longer term building of a "club" ask any Portsmouth fan what they feel about him these days. Not suggesting hes a bad football manager, merely that his record isnt as good as the hype would suggest. What he does have is a good media profile and cheeky persona that appears to be making the media believe hes some sort of messiah.

Personally i think if he took the job (He had to have been approached) it wouldnt have been long before they turned on him (like they do with everybody else) and started raking up all sorts of issues and the FA would be left looking foolish again.

Hang on a minute!
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17893116 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17893116[/url]
No hard feelings? No grudges? Didn't Harry have the opportunity and then reject it?
[url= http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4190492/Spurs-boss-Harry-Redknapp-unsure-if-he-wants-England-job.html ]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4190492/Spurs-boss-Harry-Redknapp-unsure-if-he-wants-England-job.html[/url]

He's isn't very good tactically or at coaching, [b]and is terrible when it comes to developing younger players[/b]

Like Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Frank Lampard, Michael Carrick, Glen Johnson and Jermain Defoe?

The England problem over recent years has been as much with the players as the manager. Good individually but completely unable to form a cohesive unit and bring club form to the pitch. If you go back to the last world cup and look at Rooney he was like a pub player and the rest were not much better. Joey Barton got it right when he said they were all more interested in their books:

“England did nothing in the World Cup, why are they bringing books out? 'We got beat in the quarter-finals, I played like shit, here's my book'. Who wants to read that? I don't”

The proof of the pudding will be the squad / team selection. Does he pick the players the Sun/Mirror expect or does he put together a team of solid professionals who can work together.

I don’t rate Redknap but I doubt Woy will shake it up to the extent required but who would.

Bale, and both were seriously underachieving before he got there.

Modric was signed by Ramos but only played a few games for him iirc

West ham may be indicative of the set up at West ham - to be fair he never stays somewhere long enough to develop the young players 😀

I think its fair to say that not the whole country (as suggested by the media) wanted Harry in the first place.

We should all now be behind RH and hoping he slaps a few big names down before they have a chance to stir any unrest.

Not the greatest RH fan btw, but am prepared to give him a fair go. Worth pointing out that he usually gets teams playing better than the sum of their parts.

ransos - add Gareth Bale to that list.

jukyard - harry moved gareth from LB to LM. Thats where he realised his true potential.

aye he did but I am not sure how much Harry gets the credit for that as Bale was a very talented player and was clearly going on to do great things - he ha snot hindered his progress for sure but IMHO Bale would be world class whoever managed him.

Woy is an excellent choice in the context of England's likely success in any future competition. Please can we now adjust our expectations accordingly.

{makes you wonder if/how much the FA know about dear old 'arry?}

Actually for all my cynicism, he seems a thoroughly decent bloke, so I hope that he doesn't endure the normal abuse that seems to be targeted at any England manager.

I do worry a bit about Woy. Having watched this at the time

I can't help thinking there's going to be an awful lot to induce that kind of behavior managing England.

He's going to have to sit in the dugout with a full face helmet on

Cant se eyou tube what is it about ?

I hope that he doesn't endure the normal abuse that seems to be targeted at any England manager.

TJ is correct you are naive 😀

problem is the fans have such unrealistic expectations...every win they are world conquerors and every loss they are useless

Imagine if an Everton fan reacted like this...Internationally England are Everton . The odd good cup run but they never win anything but they will always be amongst the top teams..

Ho, ho JY - at least there's a smiley on this thread!!

Out of interest - does Everton have a pre-season training program? Why are they so slow to get going? Do they just like coming from behind (did, I just say that?)?

I'll take Roy over Harry any day. On paper it's a non-contest.

I don't know anyone who want Harry as England manager yet I'm told by the press at every point that we all want him... The fact he'll do an interview while on the throne has nothing to do with this obviously.

And if he is reading this and considers it slanderous then... lol silly me, he's not reading.

ransos - Member
Like Rio Ferdinand, Joe Cole, Frank Lampard, Michael Carrick, Glen Johnson and Jermain Defoe?

I didn't realise he ran the West Ham academy.

ransos - add Gareth Bale to that list.

At Southampton? I guess we could add Walcott as well?

I didn't realise he ran the West Ham academy.

He gave all those players their first team debut, and all of them subsequently played for England. Regardless of any other managerial failings, the suggestion that he is poor at developing promising young talent is laughable.

Perhaps you could tell us about some other PL managers who are better at developing young players? Presumably they also manage their youth teams?

Out of interest - does Everton have a pre-season training program? Why are they so slow to get going? Do they just like coming from behind (did, I just say that?)?

Any manager that would buy Poulsen and Konchesky shouldn't be given the keys to the training ground, let alone anywhere near a national side.

Hodgson is an embarrasment to management for what happend when he tried to manage a 'big' club....

Hodgson is an embarrasment to management for what happend when he tried to manage a 'big' club....

Quite right. Just look at how Liverpool shot up the league after he was sacked.

ransos - Member

He gave all those players their first team debut, and all of them subsequently played for England. Regardless of any other managerial failings, the suggestion that he is poor at developing promising young talent is laughable.

Picking a clearly talented young player is not the same as developing them.

You might want to check who played how many times under Redknapp at West Ham. Defoe spent most of Redknapp's time at WHU in the reserves or at Bournemouth, and Johnson got his WHU debut while HR was managing Portsmouth. And if you think he had anything to do with Walcott and Bale's development at Southampton you're having a laugh - Redknapp had left by the time Bale got his debut, and Walcott started 13 times before he was sold to Arsenal.

Roy was let down by Liverpool, not the other way around.

Roy's record is better than King Kenny's at Liverpool. And Roy didn't spunk £120 million to do it, including the perfectly reasonable price of £35 million for Andy Carrol

Stop giggling at the back

Picking a clearly talented young player is not the same as developing them.

You might want to check who played how many times under Redknapp at West Ham. Defoe spent most of Redknapp's time at WHU in the reserves or at Bournemouth, and Johnson got his WHU debut while HR was managing Portsmouth. And if you think he had anything to do with Walcott and Bale's development at Southampton you're having a laugh - Redknapp had left by the time Bale got his debut, and Walcott started 13 times before he was sold to Arsenal.

So you're saying that despite Redknapp not developing these players, he just so happened to pick the right ones, they were all highly coveted by other clubs and went on to have very successful careers.

Yeah, right.

Roy is a 1 dimensional manager, his teams play 1 way, 1 style and whilst that's an effective way of playing with some squads, i'd rather put pins in my eyes than watch Liverpool play in the style of hodgson again.

I admit with Kenny, the league position isn't any better... but the football is a LOT nicer.

but the football is a LOT nicer

Unless you're a crossbar/post in which case you aren't a fan of Kenny's style 😉

portlyone - Member
Roy was let down by Liverpool, not the other way around

Roy was let down by himself and failing to understand what was most important at Liverpool.

Belief !!!!!

Whether it works out or not is open to debate of course, but you have to instill belief of invincibility.

When you're going to an away game at a league 2 club and in your pre match conference you say "well, it will be a very tough game they have a great squad."... well, you don't deserve to manage Liverpool FC.

Winning and playing nice football aren't mutually exclusive 😛

Roy is a 1 dimensional manager, his teams play 1 way, 1 style

Can't say I remember his style when winning those 5 league titles.

Picking a clearly talented young player is not the same as developing them.

Even when you've got a player with overwhelming talent, like a young Wayne Rooney say, the manager still has a job to do. Big job in that particular case.

Roy was let down by himself and failing to understand what was most important at Liverpool.

what was that then? winning the league? no-one's done that in 2 decades have they? Didn't they understand the liverpool way either?

Winning the league?

*coughs* finishing at least 34 points behind United *coughs*

😆

what was that then? winning the league? no-one's done that in 2 decades have they? Didn't they understand the liverpool way either?

As i said... belief... be it true belief or misguided.... you need to believe you're building the best...

Under Roy, Liverpool played the worst football i've ever seen the team play. IF you can call it 'playing'

Benitez and houllier both understood the Liverpool way, hence why both are worshipped in the city. Benitez more so because of his amazing rapport with the fans and the money, time, dedication he gave to the JFT96.

*coughs* finishing at least 34 points behind United *coughs*

that cough is going to get worse tonight binners 😆 tonight will see the final act in the fall of fergie and the united empire. There'll be a blue moon over manchester tonight! I don't know why I'm digging you, I support Oxford ffs 🙂

so anyway weeksy, so the liverpool way is to believe? I believe that Rowan Williams is free now, worth a punt?

oh and

When you're going to an away game at a league 2 club and in your pre match conference you say "well, it will be a very tough game they have a great squad."... well, you don't deserve to manage Liverpool FC.

so anyway weeksy, so the liverpool way is to believe?

Of course it is... self belief can work wonders.

actually demonstrates arrogance, not belief. Shankly and Paisley never underestimated lower league opposition did they?

Underestimating them and standing there TELLING people are two different things.

I'll shoot over to another forum and get you some quotes from Roy... give me 5.

Of course it is... self belief can work wonders.

It can get you as high as ninth!!! 😆

“He (Meireles) had two training sessions and played on Thursday night and he played again on Sunday so it is very early for me to make strong judgements about where his best position is. The work we do on the training field will show me how best to use him.”

The aforementioned quote is so funny it could have come straight from the Frankie Boyle annals. So Roy sanctions a £10.5 million deal with no idea where he intends to play the arrival? Unbelievable. The initial uncertainty has been evidenced ever since, with Meireles appearing behind a lone striker, in a defensive midfield role, on the right, the left

see now I'm not sure I understand the issue there. He's bought a player he considers to be decent, who may have been playing in a variety of roles at his previous club and the manager wants to take a look at him with his new team before deciding where he fits in best.

maybe he was bought to replace gerrard who then wasn't sold? 😉

Hmmmmmmmmmm. He's made some bad buys?......

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How can a boot boy be a bad buy? Not a difficult job, is it?

HOw old were Konchesky and Polusen ?

At least Carroll has youth and potential. He was also scoring for fun.

Note : Not that i think we should have bought him, IMO he doesn't fit in with the style of play suited to our team, but that's another debate. However Carroll is very young (people forget this) and has all the attributes to be a very good premier league striker.

lol, i forgot about Carroll

thiry five MILLION pounds

no wonder you need to believe 😉

lol, i forgot about Carroll

thiry five MILLION pounds

Assuming we 'had' to buy someone with 24 hours left in the transfer window... our options were distinctly limited.

However Carroll is very young (people forget this) and has all the attributes to be a very good [s]premier league striker[/s] cart horse.

Fixed! 😆