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One of my wife’s colleagues is off work at the moment having apparently tested positive for covid last Friday whilst being asymptomatic.
Today she walked past him in the street. He acknowledged her but didn’t stop. Her dad was with her and said, did you know him - he looked shifty.
So has he lied to work about being covid+
or ignored quarantine rules? Would you report to manager or the police or keep quiet. She is presuming he’ll know who reported him if she does.
Or, given the hour, if you'd like something a little stiffer, the bar is open.
Edward Woodward. He'll sort it
Its always best to stick to your own business. He could have been coming back from the chemist/ anything. Just concentrate on yourself and your own family.
if they tested positive then they will have had to have filled out a form online to get self certificated. Would they not have to show the info that they were actually positive. How did they get tested if they were asymptomatic?
If positive and they are out and about then the coppers probably. And yes I would grass them in as they could be wandering about infecting people.
I would in an instant - both to his boss and the police. if he is walking round covid positive he is breaking the law is he not and could infect others and probably will do. One person knowilng covid positive but not isolating caused an outbreak in Scotland requiring hundreds of people to isolate and infecting a dozen or more
if he is covid positive he should not be out of the house even to go to the chemist
I would definitely grass you up to the grammar police though.
"To whom..?"
He was only testing his eyes
Was this in Barnard Castle?
I wouldn't:
1. Not my circus, not my monkey.
2. Given the uncertainty, it would be wrong to act.
He is most likely just throwing a sicky. I think the point made about it being asymptomatic suggests this, or at least introduces sufficient uncertainty for the issue to be questionable.
OP - you say the alleged miscreant has "allegedly" been tested positive for CV-19, could you explain how you came about this piece of information?
Fines start from 28th September.
If he was asymptomatic why did he get a test….
Perhaps they were in close contact with another and advised to, you know via the track and trace system..
Yup, in an instant and I'd make sure he knew it was me too.
Either he's a liar and is using other peoples suffering as a means to skive off, or he's a thoroughly selfish ignorant ****
Perhaps they were in close contact with another and advised to, you know via the track and trace system
Oh, you mean the one that simply tells you to self-isolate without needing to take a test?
If he was asymptomatic why did he get a test….
Perhaps they were in close contact with another and advised to, you know via the track and trace system..
They told me not to get a test unless I had symptoms and my partner has tested positive.
Would you wife be comfortable having not done something if it caused another to die?
Does she work in Downing Street?
Definitely, I would mention it to the police. To go around with the disease knowingly is a despicable thing to do and deserves punishment. That way if he's skiving off he won't immediately lose his job, just get a talking to from the police- while I'd not condone skiving off I'd also not wish being fired on anyone just now.
having apparently tested positive for covid last Friday whilst being asymptomatic.
Key word is 'apparently'.
Unless/until that becomes definitely tested positive the question is hypothetical.
If your wife has her colleagues contact details, she could ask the direct question - did you test positive?
Yes = report to police and employer.
No = why are you not at work?
Either means calling them out and that could have consequences for your wife.
So the guy gets a call from the police and denies going out. What do they do? Nothing.
He then gets contacted by work. And denies it.
He contacts the police and says it's highly likely that the person who made the false statement is a work colleague becuase he's also been reported at work, and he'd like to make a complaint against them as it's highly likely that it's someone who has a grudge against him who has made the false statement.
And so on. Lots of mud flies, some of it sticks, the police and HR give up and your wife has something in her HR record she'd rather not have. She battles to get it removed and fails.
Seen similar happen.
Its always best to stick to your own business. He could have been coming back from the chemist/ anything. Just concentrate on yourself and your own family.
Is it not everyone’s business if he spreads an infectious disease around town? If he’s +ve he shouldn’t be going to the pharmacy - he’s not supposed to leave the house. The Pharmacy is full of old people and people with underlying health conditions - it’s the worst place he could go.
Send an email to him.
"Are you skiving or risking the lives if others"
With a list of jobs you need doing.
if they tested positive then they will have had to have filled out a form online to get self certificated. Would they not have to show the info that they were actually positive. How did they get tested if they were asymptomatic?
Asymptomatic people can be tested if they have been in contact with symptomatic people. I’m not sure how stringently employers are policing the self-certification and evidence of results. At my place we insist on seeing negative test results before letting people back but I don’t think we’ve had a positive yet - I expect we would take that at face value unless there was reason to suspect otherwise.
Why allegedly (actually I said apparently). Because neither my wife nor I have seen a test certificate so it seems appropriate to highlight that its possible he made that bit up. She is aware of his “status” because he informed the whole team.
Her assumption (and she knows him I don’t) is that he’s lied about the test result to get 10 days off. She finds it hard to believe that he (or indeed anyone) would get a positive and wander the streets; I’m not convinced.
I’d have challenged him on the spot.
Edukator - you are paranoid.
Asymptomatic people can be tested if they have been in contact with symptomatic people.
Very very clearly not what I was told by track and trace. I am in house with covid, also the one contact not in the house ID'd and in isolation was also told NOT to get a test unless symptomatic.
Edukator – you are paranoid.
Denounce him to the police and see what happens then. 🙂
Stasi informers, Vichy France denouncers, grudges were still being settled years after, and still are.
If someone is dishonest enough to do what you suspect he is doing do you really want to make yourself his target?
Denouncing someone without proof is not a good idea. From what you've said there are no videos, photos or any other proof you could present.
Its always best to stick to your own business. He could have been coming back from the chemist/ anything.
Still not supposed to be out.
However, something doesn’t add up. Unless they paid for a test, lied about their symptoms to get a test you can’t get tested without symptoms even if you’ve been in contact with a positive case.
Stasi informers, Vichy France denouncers, grudges were still being settled years after, and still are.
Bloody hell that’s some comparison. 😂
Bloody hell that’s some comparison.
Godwins law by Proxy...
I'd grass him up for sure. Selfish prick, who is endangering the life of others...including possibly further down the line me and my family. So yes it would absolutely be my business.
Worrying that folks on here think its ok to go to the chemist if you are positive i must say..
Stasi informers, Vichy France denouncers, grudges were still being settled years after, and still are.
If someone is dishonest enough to do what you suspect he is doing do you really want to make yourself his target
The first part of that comment I don't even know where to start with.. it's so ridiculous.
As for not doing the right thing for fear of reprisal..that's the hallmark of a coward I'm afraid..
Different cultural values that's all. The UK and US have a vigilante culture and in other places it's considered bad form.
One grasses up, one dobs in.
The UK and US have a vigilante culture and in other places it’s considered bad form.
I can’t speak for the US but no U.K. doesn’t have a vigilante culture.
Bollox
this is about protecting your neighbours, friends and family
Would you not intervene or report a mugging? would you call the police if you saw a drunk driver?
Different cultural values that’s all. The UK and US have a vigilante culture and in other places it’s considered bad form.
Obviously not France which had considerable anti-collaborator extra-judicial action and various vigilante attacks in Algeria if I’m not mistaken. And this
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20200616-police-battle-arms-vigilantes-chechen-north-african-drugs-dijon
Or indeed Germany, Italy and probably most places where humans live.
Did you read tthe title of that before posting, Kilo? 🙂
Just sayin'
https://www.france24.com/en/20180919-depth-french-police-collaboration-with-nazis-revealed
Yup, aP, that's why collaboration is still seen as unacceptable and why I made the reference to the Stasi and Vichy France.
In answer to TJ's questions I've never called the police about a drunken driver of which there is no shortage in these parts, one of the less appealing aspects of local culture. I have helped someone being agressed (without needing to touch enyone, being present was enough), but no I didn't report it and very much doubt the victim did either.
Is it me or has this drifted off topic...
Would you not intervene or report a mugging? would you call the police if you saw a drunk driver?
Have done on many occasions as well as stoned drivers. With a neighbour we detained one drunk idiot in our street until the Police arrived, he wasn't driving anywhere as he was down to three wheels on his car having lost one crashing into a neighbours car at some speed (but could have run off).
Society would collapse if everyone just ignored law breaking and let criminals carry on.
It's like a plot from Hollyoaks but a local lass tested positive the other week but went for a surf anyway. Lifeguard knew her and phoned the police who dragged her off the beach in hazmat suits. Lifeguard has had to leave town due to death threats from Covid deniers.
Have done on many occasions as well as stoned drivers.
I take the culprits took out some sort vigilante attacks on you as it happens in the U.K.
Posting just to make Drac smile (if that's possible) and this is a bike forum 😉
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-vigilante-cycle-gang-attack-6197136
It includes the classic line ‘‘These people on two wheels, who don’t even pay road tax, were acting like vigilantes.’’
I would in an instant – both to his boss and the police. if he is walking round covid positive he is breaking the law is he not and could infect others and probably will do. One person knowilng covid positive but not isolating caused an outbreak in Scotland requiring hundreds of people to isolate and infecting a dozen or more
if he is covid positive he should not be out of the house even to go to the chemist
As a nation we need to decide if we are going to have progress in beating down the numbers or just adjust to a very long time with really heavy restrictions on those who comply, significant business damage etc. To achieve the former we need to create a culture of observance and reporting with the police supported. To achieve the latter we keep doing what we are doing.
If we continue with the language of sneaks, grass, dobbing in we'll be in lockdown for Christmas 21 nevermind this year. The message needs to get through that compliance is what we do, those who choose not to will be fined until they do
Getting heavy won't work. The idea of Covid Marshals lasted how long? A few days. There aren't enough police for getting heavy to have any impact. And it would just annoy people thus further reducing compliance. Governments worry about being unpopular. The tide has turned, people are more pissed off by the Covid measures than they are worried by the virus, rightly or wrongly.
I'll be very surprised if we see another national confinement in France even if the stress on hospitals goes back to March levels. It failed the first time, that's the problem, despite all the measures being taken people watch the news and see the numbers rising. They feel their efforts are futile and are fed up with being told what (not) to do.
It's going to be increasingly difficult for governments to enforce anything and getting heavy won't help.
What will help is being more consistent. Being allowed to cram onto buses and commuter trains but not being able to go to a gym with 2m spacing and mask wearing isn't consistent so the government loses credibility and people start to ignore the rules that they rightly see as stupid and unfair. If you then add Covid marshals knocking on the door people will take revenge at the next elections.
If you then add Covid marshals knocking on the door people will take revenge at the next elections.
Or throws them out for not being hard enough
That escape to Durham and comedy trips to Barnard Castle are going to be very costly
I take the culprits took out some sort vigilante attacks on you as it happens in the U.K.
Of course not! Given evidence in court against vandals and even bumped into them in a pub a few weeks later, which was a bit awkward - but no trouble from them.
Only two thirds in favour is the problem. Support is slipping away and it'll slip further as the economic consequences of restrictions get worse. On this side of the channel the first confinement had widespread support and very high compliance. People who were quite happy to not even go out because it was in the public interest 6 months ago are now protesting about bar opening hours.
Returning to the OP; he still hasn't said if his wife has verified proof that her work colleague tested +ve.
I posted up there ^^^ that 'apparently' is the key word in his post.
If he has verifiably tested +ve that should be reported to police without doubt.
If he's taking a 10 day skive based on a claim he's +ve his employer would be interested.
Either way, if the OP's wife talks to either police or employer - or both - she could make herself unpopular at the very least with her colleague if it became known she reported her concerns.
If it was me I would talk to police and employer as that would cover all possibilities.
Does it really matter if the OP knows if the guy is positive? That's why the rozzers exist, to act on information received and investigate. So call them and tell them you have reason to suspect a positive guy is breaking quarantine and putting the public at risk. Don't mention work skivving etc. If they ask why you suspect tell them you understand he is off work having told his employer he was. Let them figure it out. There may be no comeback from work that way but that's small beer against the greater risk. If you saw a driver swerving all over the road would you only call the police I'd you knew they were impaired, or would you call to report the suspect behaviour?
’ve never called the police about a drunken driver of which there is no shortage in these parts, o
I genuinely hope you never find yourself in the situation where a neighbour is injured or worse by a drink driver and you have to look at yourself and ask why you didn't. I find it difficult to believe anyone in this day and age would not denounce them, much less admit it in public.
🙂
Fascinating comparing this thread with the first French google result for an equivalent forum discussion with slightly different circumstances in that the driver concerned is known to be regualarly drunk not just a random car being driven erratically enough to be pretty certain the driver is drunk:
What would you have me do Vichy Olly, ram them to stop them (pretty ineffective on my bike early in on a Sunday morning)? Call the local feds who'll pretend to take note and do nothing because they have their own strategy to deal with drink driving.
Feel guilty about minding my own business? Not a bit. 🙂 I'm not about to solve all the ills of the world and cause myself loads of hassle in the process. Denouncing bragging about speeding and fast driving on petrohead threads on this very forum is about as far as I'm prepared to go. Interesting to compare contributions to petrolhead threads from people on this thread with their calls to denounce the possible Covid nautiness.
What would you have me do
I'd have thought that was pretty obvious. Admittedly I didn't write it en francaise but I'd have thought you'd understood it was call the police.
Call the local feds who’ll pretend to take note and do nothing because they have their own strategy to deal with drink driving.
Oh, you did get it. You can only control what you do. If they do nothing that's on them. Who knows, something does happen and there is a report on record, perhaps they'll have to change the strategy.
You mind your on business with drunk drivers but you rush in to save a damsel in distress, why is that?
As I said I hope you never find out what that guilt does to people, families, relationships.
People usually only resort to personal insults when it's obvious they are losing the argument. You lead with it. Why is that, I wonder?
Some people are unlikely to agree about anything ever, chromolyolly. Do you agree that we are two such people? 😉
Nobody phones the police about every speeding/drunk/dangerous/red light jumping motorist they see, not even you, yet you sleep at night judging from your posting history. Being critical of someone for not doing so (me in this case) is provocative (and insulting if you prase it right) and you don't do it yourself, it's imposible if you drive a car or ride a bike, you are witness to more illegal driving that it's ever possible to report on typical journey. Even the police let most things go and just concentrate on particualr aspects at particular times, and particalar ethnic groups.
As for Covid if you've been following the other tracing thread it appears that most "contacts" and "cases" don't isolate.
loum
Free MemberFeels to me like they’ve chucked the app on the table like another dead cat this week. People arguing over downloading and using it is more distraction from the actual problem. But more divide and conquer.
News yesterday ( ft and i are good sources) had study with only 11% quarantining after confirmed contact with positive case, and only 18% self isolating with symptoms. This is the actual problem.
The app is not going to change this. People are saying they would isolate if they had to, then not following through when it happens. Any message from the app is non enforceable, and it isn’t perfect so it will make mistakes. People already ignoring the rules aren’t going to be changed by an unproven phone app, assume a “mistake” and add to the culture of non compliance.
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People's attitudes to Covid are very similar to motoring offences, they complain about other drivers whilst speeding themselves
Talk of "narks and grasses" is just reinforcing the culture of bullies being able to do what they like with no recriminations.
See, we could all be richer and more successful, if there was no respect for law, and "snitches wear stiches" was the rule of the street. I could break into a bike shop tomorrow and steal 20k of bikes and sell them on this forum, if the likes of "edukator" had their way. I'd be £10k+ up, lots of you would have a lovely mountain bike cheap. As long as no one "tells" on me, then apart from one sad loser, the bike shop owner (who was probably insured) everyone's doing ok. That's the society that cheats, bullies and thieves try to reinforce because they thrive under it, at a cost to the rest of us in society.
Society is better if we are free to let an honest, transparent judicial process, agreed by the people through votes/and laws investigate our concerns, than if we all cower in fear of the bullies who rely on our meek compliance to their threats.
If this guy is sick, he may pass it on to several people, who on turn pass on to several more. It only requires one vulnerable person, to have utterly tragic consequences that tear a family apart for ever.
Alternatively, the persons taking the piss, and silent compliance means your wife and her team are doing 10d of his work for nothing, for no reward, no return, and I'm pretty sure he wont be amenable to doing 10d of your wife's work when she fancies buggering off for 10d with a fraudulent positive text later on. Because bullies requiring a "narks and grasses" culture are rarely fair minded when it comes to other people giving it a go.
Talk of Stazi and Nazi's is inappropriate. We have a law which even if clear is clearly for a good reason, and its not discriminatory in any way. It has a positive goal in mind.
Juju seems to talk sense.
Is it me or has this drifted off topic…
Returning to the OP; he still hasn’t said if his wife has verified proof that her work colleague tested +ve.
I posted up there ^^^ that ‘apparently’ is the key word in his post.
If he has verifiably tested +ve that should be reported to police without doubt.
I think I covered off what is known and how it is known. Presumably the only way anyone could know "for certain" would be with access to his medical records or perhaps HR file. But her knowledge came from him - its not some heresay or supposition.
Either way, if the OP’s wife talks to either police or employer – or both – she could make herself unpopular at the very least with her colleague if it became known she reported her concerns.
Since he knows she saw him, that is precisely the concern. She still doesn't think its likely that he'd be out on the streets if he had actually tested positive (gosh I love her innocence sometimes!)
Still not supposed to be out.
However, something doesn’t add up. Unless they paid for a test, lied about their symptoms to get a test you can’t get tested without symptoms even if you’ve been in contact with a positive case.
I'm not sure if this is different north of the wall, but there's definitely testing of asymptomatic people going on up here.
Eurgh. Yet another thread where you-know-who has wrestled the agenda around to why France is better than the UK. It's really tiresome. Look, you don't need to justify your life choices on a flipping bike forum!
For what it's worth, I can't see how the Covid fella isn't doing something wrong somewhere so I'd inform the police. If he denies being positive, then hopefully, he'll at least think twice about throwing a sickie like that again. It's a dickish move if so.
So clarification for us from the Care Minister.
On @SkyNews this morning, Care Minister Helen Whately said the trigger for her reporting a breach of COVID restrictions would be if she saw a marquee in a neighbour's garden.
Part of the reason we're in this situation is self righteous bell ends like the person in the original post.
My kids school has had 2 year groups sent home as 2 of the kids (siblings in years 2 and 5) as well as one of their parents have tested positive. Rumour* has it the kids are at home playing out in the street with other kids.
* mums whatsapp gossip group
You can report breaches online to the local police. Do that if you're not bothered about them knowing it was you/your wife. I've used it a few times since this kicked off. Rode past a house a fortnight ago where they were having a BBQ. Counted at least 10 people there (this after the rule of 6 thing). Rode on a bit, reported to cops, carried on my ride. Reported the neighbours as well. I care more about the health of my family and friends than I do about what the neighbours think of me.
I would call the po po in in this circumstance because without immediate proof the first thing I'd hope they do would be to phone him up or knock on the door, masked up, and give fair warning.
No idea whether this is would actually happen, but hope springs eternal.
I wouldn't worry about making him a criminal. I don't think they're going to stake him out or go after him with just your word.
I wouldn’t worry about making him a criminal. I don’t think they’re going to stake him out or go after him with just your word.
But you would potentially criminalise a person because they just wanted to skive off work for a few days and weren't bright enough to realise what they'd done? Happy to ruin someone's life?
If she has any morals then yes, if any commin sense then no.
Simples...
Some people are unlikely to agree about anything ever, chromolyolly. Do you agree that we are two such people?
To be honest I don't give what you say the attention it deserves because of the way you say it. The little personal digs means I focus on that not the content.
I don't call the police over every driving offence but when I suspect impaired driving I do, everytime because behind using a mobile it's the single biggest cause of death and injury, usually to innocent people. Givent that you are a dad I'm surprised you don't.
Which is why I said the OP should report it. Covid is a big danger to some people.