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Bikebouy no your not a prude. Even good folk make the odd mistake in their life.
Its when it becomes a consistent mistake and they try to explain it as a rationall lifestyle choice does it become dubious.
It's a funny topic this because what almost everyone has missed out on is the potential emotional connection that people feel toward potential partners.
I'm assuming the OP's friend didn't find out that his potential girlfriend was a sex worker within the first 5 minutes. Given that, I'd imagine the question is one of - is the emotional link greater than the feelings about her career and the physical proximity that brings her into with other males. There's a big degree of assumed possession with the second part of that - although for some people monogamy is part of a relationship. But - if he has no emotional involvement, why would he care. If he has a great deal of emotional involvement then it would hopefully trump any feelings of intrusion into the relationship.
I don't get all the judgement. Or the mortal fear that something might be caught.
Me? Personally, if I felt a strong enough bond with the person? Yeah, I would. Hell, my girlfriend wasn't a virgin when I met her and I couldn't give a monkey's curse about that. Doesn't and didn't make the slightest difference to me. My past hasn't made one bit of difference to her either.
Being honest, I'd be far, far more bothered if she was a member of the BNP/NF/UKIP than being an escort. Each to their own i guess.
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Quite simply, I would in all honesty probably put my fingers in my ears and start reciting the Lords Prayer once I found out.
Which again sounds bloody pathetic and is more a reflection of me and my moral backbone than the person in question.
I would however feel very guilty inside because I wouldn't be able to comprehend, in simple terms, the enormity of the situation. And I don't like feeling like that.
What this has done is made me think about the OP's situation. Place me in that self same situation and knowing who I am and what I am and what I stand by means I'd steer clear, very quickly.
But as a society, a functioning society, it isn't cut and dried or simple is it. No, no there are many people who seek out pleasure in some form, some seek out work in whatever form and I should be able to stand by a societies choice to do what it wants and when it wants. I do, well I seem to do to some extent. In this instance I just can't comprehend the persons choice to do this line of work.
And to say that the person in this situation is "choosy" suggests to me they enjoy doing what they do and there in lies my moral rub.
Just to add background to this.. I have experienced lots of folks in my wide friendship group during my clubbing days who did sleep around, sometimes freely sometimes not. All I saw of that was hurt and pain and nasty bitchy situations. None ended well. My close friends it never happened to, no nope none of them. Yes we'd hear of "high class girls" seeking out well healed blokes for kicks n coke n money, but they were few and far between. And you'd never know by looking at them either.
It's a varied and fruitful world this, you never know who you walk past or indeed work next to do you? Or do you 😆
Anyways..
For me this isn't about folks making mistakes about finding life partners, no truly it isn't. This OP's situation is very different to that scenario.
Good topic though folks, kept me entertained and wished I'd been able to drop in earlier.. 8)
"high class girls" seeking out well healed blokes
Yeah, I've heard some chicks dig scars...
😉
Yeah why not I'm in .wait no I'm out ,naa sod it I'm in again, aww sorry love
Nowt against it in principle, but you just know that the punters would get the heels, basques, stockings and make-up... and you'd get the grumpy frump in a onesie wanting to snuggle on the sofa after a hard day at the orifice 👿
checks sten1's posting history, strokes chin....
All the comments about STI's are so stupid. Your are just as likely to get an STI off anyone, not just a prostitute
Worked with a DR who had a part time job manning the STI ambulance, for street girls and boys all adults,to attend and get free condoms, sexual health checkups and the ability to report dangerous customers.
He believed they provided a service to punters, and he provided a service to them.
She'll smell like Grimsby docks.
100% correct... but no reason not to date a person, many many people have much bigger emotional issue and have never sold sex.
Precisely, half the posters on here are more emotionally retarded than a sex worker. I've met far more emotionally screwed up "nice" women. than I have met emotionally screwed up promiscuous women.
Sten1 close to your heart, wallet and/or pleasure circuits?
That's a pretty dick remark isn't it Hora. Anyway, I'm going to go out of my way and say that I will laugh my bollocks off if your nice wife ends up divorcing you as marriages are to long for a vast swathe of the human population.
I dated one for 2 years , my moral compass was way off - it worked for me then it was fun, i worked away a lot , learnt a lot about men and money ha ha .A night out with her and her colleagues was eye opening to say the least as was checking and translating emails . Some of her friends earned $4000 a month - wish i had tits 😛
Precisely, half the posters on here are more emotionally retarded than a sex worker.
When did you find the time to meet them all? Must have been quite a ride (sorry!).
The one I knew said to me "would you rather earn £500 a night or a week?"
I thought £500 a week would be a start!
no
What's the difference between a call girl and a hooker?
The one I knew said to me "would you rather earn £500 a night or a week?"
I thought £500 a week would be a start!
I've met someone who said she charges around £1k an hour, not a bad job I guess.
Yeah, how many of you lot would bonk rich potentially reasonably attractive women for 1K an hour.
I'm sure Hora would!
I reckon my missus would be rather proud of me if women were paying me that to screw them. 😆
I lived in Las Vegas in my late 20's and my next door neighbor was a woman about 28 or so who was a high-end call girl--articulate & smart (worked directly at the behest of casino pit bosses for high-roller clientele). She had a 4 year old son that I took care of a few evenings when she couldn't get her regular child-care person on short notice. At her age, she owned her home outright, had a new corvette and most of her son's college money in the bank. I must say she was stunningly beautiful and yes, the thought crossed my mind quite often.
Yes as long as it stops now ( as has been mentioned by OP)
She sounds pragmatic and careful and she sees, something in you, she likes.
You never know you maybe still together in 30 years and s****ing about it when your kids try to shock you with tales of what they have been upto on Holiday
^^^ Samunkim has offered just about the only piece of wisdom in this thread, life's to short. Never say never, one day you will be dead for the rest of eternity having never dated that stunning call girl.
Then again, I am an irreverent hedonist.
P.S. Hora, you are Frank from Mash and I claim my two Martinis.
What a lot of prejudice against girls who work in call centres!
🙂
I've skipped past five pages of posters calling each other out over perceived insults, etc.
hora - Member
Never ceases to amaze me how many blokes will spend a night trying to woo a woman in a club, chatting her up, buying her drinks, just on the off-chance that she might sleep with him at the end of the night and then never see each other again. And yet, you suggest cutting out the middle man and just giving the drinks money straight to her and those same blokes blanch at the very idea.
Disagree. Its hope- the hope you'd get off with someone really nice, it may turn into something. You may actually meet someone you like longtime. Avoid stereotyping every male in the land as wanting a one-night stand.When we were single, deep down we all seek the life partner.
This, basically.
It's the idea of sharing someone with a bunch of anonymous individuals that would bother me most of all, I have no issues with a G/F having friends who she sees socially, but on an intimate basis? Sorry, but no, wouldn't work
Even someone who's given the life up, it would worry me that something unpleasant from her past could come back and cause trouble.
And I don't mean STI, I've caught one from a G/F, who wasn't long out of school, she was unbelievably upset at the thought she had something and passed it on to me, can happen to anyone. (NSU, in this case).
errrr... I wouldn't currently as I'm head over heels in love with a very loyal and monogamous lady..
As a slight aside though..
Me and a very good mate I used to live with were drunk one evening messing about playfighting outside of the pub when he caught me a beaut and cracked a couple of my ribs..
The next morning I couldn't move, and he was heading out on the lash again.. being a generous kind of chap he popped his head around the door to see if I needed anything picked up from town while he was out..
In my bedridden state I stated that it was blatantly obvious that I required the ministrations of a naked nurse..
By some bizarre twist of fate, as he was walking into town, two pretty young hookers that we were acquainted with came out of a house he was passing, dressed in PVC nurses outfits..
Now you would think under the circumstances that he would have considered the plight of his wounded friend, but no.. He invited them round for an afternoon of chilli con carne and cider at another mates house in town and regaled me later with tales of a very merry and mostly naked time that was enjoyed by all except for the injured party..
best mate humour can be a bloody bastard sometimes
Has anyone done yes "your mom" yet?
sten1, if she's for real, is awesome. She sounds to be my type. [FAD - completely straight face]. Brilliant contribution to an often rather saddening thread.
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Assuming someone is otherwise partner material (nice, fun, attractive, pleasant to be around, not horrendously unwell or unhappy) and assuming that their professional risks were reasonably well-managed, I'd like to think so.
In practice, as nickc said a few million posts back, I'd probably make a hash of it
because of my own insecurities rather than some dubious moral viewpoint.
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Right, I skipped the last few pages because of the arguing. Has anybody done;
OP; Younare Buggy Bear and I claim my £5.
What an astonishing thread.
To answer the OP no. However as most stw'ers are socially awkward I can see why he'd have to.
Also, think of all that undeclared Income ?
Wot?
No one else mention it 😆
most stw'ers are socially awkward
Really? Bit of a sweeping statement. I've met a fair few from here and all were fine and not socially awkward at all.
...and I've even met Fred!
Yeah, how many of you lot would bonk rich potentially reasonably attractive women for 1K an hour.
It wouldn't take that long, does she do a pro rata rate? 😀
It wouldn't take that long, does she do a pro rata rate?
would still be £50 well spent.
Side note / interest. If you booked company for an hour, do you get an hour? Or is it - you know - well you've had your chips, that's that. Because I think I can speak for many here, the prospect of that length of time with a stunningly attractive young courtesan in exotic underwear, with an above average skillset - I'm not sure even listing Susan Boyle's back catalogue in reverse order would see the full hour being used up.
most stw'ers are socially awkward I can see why he'd have to
On a social ride most of us manage it out the car park 😉
Not really sure why you say stuff like that on here tbh as it seems written to just to get a rise.
Just another quick 'sorry' to Junkyard, never meant to set you up for the pitchforks, I just misread your comment and took it out of context (I'd like to think you can see where I was coming from even if that was never your intent).
Interesting debate, I'm genuinely curious as to which component you (general people) find morally repugnant about prostitution on a consensual basis that you find okay about the sexual habits of anyone else? I'm at a genuine loss as to why some people feel they have a right of sovreignty over anothers body in that they feel they can dictate what is and isn't acceptable behaviour between two consenting adults.
FWIW I wouldn't be cool with dating an active escort, even if she can pick and choose clients and has no emotional involvement it doesn't sit well with me. Ironically I'm fine with polygamy, there's just some component of this situation that seems wrong. If she had given it up then why not? As said, STD's can be picked up from anyone and if we broke up and she went back to it then if that's entirely HER choice then I could live with that.
As for undeclared incomes and such, maybe of there was some sort of legal mechanism for declaring those incomes they wouldn't go undeclared hmm?
Finally, wrecker, this has EVERYTHING to do with me. As a father and feminist I want to do the best for women* to be treated as equals and to live in world where misogynistic* abuse from people like yourself is treated with the contempt from society it deserves. I wouldn't choose for my daughter to go into such a career, indeed I have NO choice in what she does - that's for her and her alone to decide, however if she did then I would want the industry to be protected and regulated by law. The sooner industries like this are decriminalised and regulated the sooner wider society stops having to pay the price of an industry (often) run by criminals.
Your language IS sexist, you persecute women for their life choices by labelling them sluts and suchlike. To put it into perspective, promiscuous men are often given labels such as stud, cassanova and, at worst, womaniser. Women, conversely, are labelled slut, skank, slapper, ho, tart etc. etc. Plus they get the amusing "sausage down the alley jokes (but hey, a woman with 150 partners must be like the Channel Tunnel but woe betide the man who insults the womanhood of my wife who I've had every night for the last decade) which is based on nothing but prejudice, ever heard the one about the guy who shagged so much his dick wore down to a pencil width? Thought not. There is something very wrong with this that needs to be addressed by society as a whole and the sooner more men stand against their peers who perpetuate misogyny the closer we get to a fairier and more equal society.
*in this context, replace with whatever you feel appropriate.
Interesting debate, I'm genuinely curious as to which component you (general people) find morally repugnant about prostitution
I dont, they are free to do as they wish.
I'm at a genuine loss as to why some people feel they have a right of sovreignty over anothers body
I dont have sovereignty over anything of the sort. What 'we' have is to adults that have consented willingly to a relationship involving no others and are quite happy about it.
Cant speak for anyone else, but i doubt such a position is particularly unusual.
Umm, I don't think you were the 'people' I was addressing, should have seemed quite obvious, no?
I'll never forget one early turn opening the station door to a distressed woman who had been raped. She worked at a pole dancing place, only been there for a few weeks when a guy got chatting to her. She seemed like a really nice girl, she liked the guy and agreed to meet him after work at 3 am. He raped her several times in his flat while she wore a balaclava back to front. In the morning he went out and she fled to the station. She wasn't a prostitute. When I read these threads it makes me wonder if the opinions on women who work these kind of jobs contributed to this act and no doubt others like it. Hate is easy. Understanding is hard.
Umm, I don't think you were the 'people' I was addressing, should have seemed quite obvious, no?
Absolutely. But let's just say I'd rather be distanced from at least one of those contributors.
It's an interesting subject matter tbh. Curious to see a range of views
@ squirrelking and soulwood
Well said guys.
When I read these threads it makes me wonder if the opinions on women who work these kind of jobs contributed to this act and no doubt others like it. Hate is easy. Understanding is hard.
Why? I can't think of any woman that I know who would consider working in a lapdancing bar as a good, solid or particularly safe career choice. She didn't ask to be raped. Everyone has the choice to say yes or no. Even if the person happens to be a working girl she is not property she can say stop and expect someone to stop. No one is owned by anyone, you are purchasing a service not ownership.
The issue is working in such places leaves you open to a degree to absolutely every man or woman to come in. No checks on criminal background and due to the nature, there will be arousal in those paying/watching.
Now to get back to the line I quoted- are you saying one is wrong for disagreeing with prostitution or lapdancing. That one is somewhat backward if they don't say 'go girl/I can't judge you/I personally don't like it'?
I think Prostitution or lapdancing establishments should be tolerated even if personally I do not agree with either.
As for undeclared incomes and such, maybe of there was some sort of legal mechanism for declaring those incomes they wouldn't go undeclared hmm?
It's called a tax return and prostitutes are supposed to pay taxes. Search for HMRC vs Donna Asutaits.
To answer the OP no. However as most stw'ers are socially awkward I can see why he'd have to.
Eh? Have you understood the thread at all Hora? A stunning girl, whos great fun and who is 15 years my junior wants to date me, I don't have to pay for it. I fail to see how that make someone socially awkward.
Given the nonsense you usually write on here however, I can see why you may mistakenly think the rest of the forum is cast in your own image..
tpbiker you ask a question on a public forum 'should I date a prostitute'?
and your saying I post nonsense? **** me there are some right sorts on the internet.
The fact that you thought about it then posted that on a public forum shows me your socially awkward.
Finally, wrecker, this has EVERYTHING to do with me. As a father and feminist I want to do the best for women* to be treated as equals and to live in world where misogynistic* abuse from people like yourself is treated with the contempt from society it deserves.
Firstly, I have not been mysogynistic. I do not care if the prostitute is male or female, and the words used can be as accurately applied to men as women. Secondly, I will not be quiet at the request of you. Contempt all you like, IDGAF.
Your language IS sexist, you persecute women for their life choices by labelling them sluts and suchlike.
See above. I have not referred to women as whores, I have referred to whores as whores. No getting away from the meaning of that particular word. There is rather a large difference, but if you want to interchange the word "prostitute" with "woman" then it's you who has the issue, not me.
I'm genuinely curious as to which component you (general people) find morally repugnant about prostitution
Whilst i dont agree with their view I am surprised you need to ask this questions. They dont like people who sell sex. Seems a retty obvious answer tbh. Dont mistake this for me agreeing BTW.
I'm at a genuine loss as to why some people feel they have a right of sovreignty over anothers body
You must be amazed its illegal then in so many countries in the world- even the legal ones its generally only decriminalised.
Its also daft to call wrecker sexist. He is judgemental but it is NOT gender specific it is OCCUPATION specific.
I am not sure whether it is Hora or Wrecker who needs the spade most. Perhaps they could share it 😉
tpbiker you ask a question on a public forum 'should I date a prostitute'?and your saying I post nonsense? **** me there are some right sorts on the internet.
The fact that you thought about it then posted that on a public forum shows me your socially awkward[/quote
Given I respect your opinion pretty much less than anyone else thats posts on here I'll take that as a compliment.
And yes, I would consider it (again she would be an ex prostitute if I dated her). Shes a nice girl i get on with, although I appreciate there is a social stigma attached. I was interested in other peoples views hence I posted on here. Most have been very insightful.
edit..also for the record i was asking what others would do. My mind has been made up either way before this thread was posted - albeit after a fair amount of deliberating.
I will not be quiet at the request of you.
I never requested you to be quiet. I simply explained why it was 'my stuff' to worry about (after you basically told me to mind my own business).
I tell you what, you worry about your own stuff yes?
You say you're not mysoginistic. Do you call women who dress a certain way sluts? Would you tell a rape victim they were basically asking for it depending on the way they were dressed, whether they had been 'leading a guy on' or the route they took home? Do you call transvestites trannies, queens etc.? Do you verbally abuse anyone else based on their lifestyle choices? Whether you like it or not the cold, ugly truth is that your views are (and I hate myself for having to use this term) based upon a patriarchial view of society where women are placed upon a virginal pedestal and any who don't conform to that ideology are disgraced and open to abuse. That you choose to direct your hatred at both men and women doesn't take away from the fact that it is still hatred, you are merely arguing the semantics.
Junkyard, that's not an answer. No reasoning, simply statements. I want to understand what the logic is behind this rather than some non-descript 'moral outrage'.
Tpbiker its something that you'd think about in private not say out loud to as much strangers as anyone who might know you. Ergo you are one of the social one awkward ones.
Sorry attempting a personal insult can't work. As for the age thing- its almost as though you are trying to find positives in the situation.
who is 15 years my junior wants to date me
Oddly maybe, but for me personally this would be more of an issue than her occupation, again each to their own and legal consenting adults can do what they like so long as they both remain so but I think 15 years would be way too much of a gap for me to deal with in terms of where we're both likely to be in life and want to go - not helped doubtless by the fact 15 years younger than me would still be a teenager and fifteen older would be heading for 50.
Of course pontificating is easy in the real world if we both liked each other enough I'd probably choose to give it a go
I never requested you to be quiet.
Really?
wrecker, you're in over your head, I suggest you put that spade down before you get any deeper.
Sounds like a STFU to me.
Do you call women who dress a certain way sluts? Would you tell a rape victim they were basically asking for it depending on the way they were dressed, whether they had been 'leading a guy on' or the route they took home? Do you call transvestites trannies, queens etc.? Do you verbally abuse anyone else based on their lifestyle choices?
WTF????? I wouldn't dream of doing any. Do you?
How do you draw conclusions like that? I can only think that you have an overactive imagination or mental illness. Or maybe you visit prostitutes, is that the reason you're so outraged that some don't share your fondness of them?
What conclusions? They were questions.
As the answer is no to all, why are a particular group of sex workers different? Why single them out? I already asked why it's so bad but you seem unwilling or unable to answer that question.
As for the digging thing, it was a suggestion for the sake of what dignity and credibility you had left at that point, I wasn't compelling you to do anything. Not my fault you chose to interpret it the way you did.
I cannot help squirrellking if you dont like the answers
they are still the answers.
I have answered, have you? Are you a frequenter of brothels? Do you wet the bed?
I also find it offensive that you compare the question of prostitution with that of rape victims, transvestites, and the way some people dress. I think the answer to your other question is in that statement.
As for credibility, IDGAF what you think. I would hope that much is obvious.
Edit; perhaps I am judgemental, but you are even more so! Because I don't like prostitution you think I'm probably a sexist/mysognyst and possibly think rape is ok and also a homophobe xenophobe? That's a ridiculous train of thought.
I'll ask again as my question was ignored.
What about the girls who work in countries where prostitution is legal?
Girls who do a days work (or night),not forced into it by some pimp, pay their taxes and health insurance.
What about their morality? Doing nothing wrong apart from earning an honest living.
How do you feel about them?
300!
Tpbiker its something that you'd think about in private not say out loud to as much strangers as anyone who might know you. Ergo you are one of the social one awkward ones.Sorry attempting a personal insult can't work. As for the age thing- its almost as though you are trying to find positives in the situation.
Its an anonymous forum?...Given you spend half your life on here i would have thought you may have noticed that folks ask for the opinion of folks on many random subjects. As per my earlier edit my mind was made up long before i posted this thread, but i was interested in what others would do. (hence the title 'would you?').
It was meant to be a fairly lighthearted thread...obviously it didn't turn out that way given the fairly eye opening opinions of some on here
The age thing was meant to be a positive...Im 40..i think most guys my age would be flattered by the attention of a stunning 26 year old.
Again as you don't know me and i'll never meet you, whether you think i am socially awkward is pretty irrellevant.
iolo me and mrshora wandered around when we were in Amsterdam and I've never seen such miserable looking people stood or sat within eyeshot in those windows. Its a job at the end of the day- however like many of us, its not the job they dreamed of doing one day when they were young and full of ideas.
OP- do you what you want. I personally wouldn't have asked the question. I'd have made a decision either way very quickly.
I have not referred to women as whores, I have referred to whores as whores.
You've referred to prostitutes as whores, sluts and slags. First page, if you've forgotten.
The woman who's been forced into prostitution by a drug dealer, is she a slag?
The woman who's using it to fund her PhD rather than start out life £50 in debt, is she a slag?
The woman who's been forced into prostitution by a drug dealer, is she a slag?
The woman who's abused by her partner and forced into prostitution, is she a slag?
The woman who's been tricked by a criminal gang as imported as a sex worker, is she a slag?
The woman who just loves sex, is she a slag?
All the same, these prostitutes.
I cannot help squirrellking if you dont like the answersthey are still the answers.
I think you misunderstand.
I agree with what you say, I'm just looking for a deeper meaning than 'well it's illegal most places' and 'they don't like them because they sell sex'. That's just pointing out the obvious. Or is it really that superficial?
40 / 26 is a perfectly acceptable (desirable?!) age gap I'd say. Anyway, ignoring the absolute multitude of going-round-in-circles responses on this thread and returning to the original question - you already know the answer - you want her and at the end of the day your instinct will take over. Whether it leads to anything long-term is irrelevant, if it does it does, if it doesn't - in the words of the Anti-Nowhere League - So F***ing What!
All the same, these prostitutes.
We did this pages ago, as you are well aware. You decided to throw in the examples of "forced" and it was addressed at the time.
The original point was that I wouldn't date a prostitute as I find it distasteful. Should anyone else? I don't care!
ok wrecker, what about those victims of child abuse in rotherham, who were in some cases [b]sold[/b] for sex with other men? does that make them slags, sluts or whores? Prostitutes? your definition of the word slag and slut is wrong, whore yes is another word for prostitute, slag and slut are derogatory words to describe women who have more sex and/or sexual partners than society, mainly men deem acceptable. ever wondered why there isn't similar terms for men?
Should anyone else? [b]I don't care[/b]!
You care enough to write a lot o tosh about it here though don't you?
I have answered, have you? Are you a frequenter of brothels? Do you wet the bed?
No you haven't. Not once in this whole car crsh of a discussion have you justified your stance on it being 'morally repugnant'. And I explained my stance on it quite clearly.
No I don't, I have no vested interest in this discussion barring that which I have already mentioned.
No I don't. I'm not sure what relevance this has either.
I also find it offensive that you compare the question of prostitution with that of rape victims, transvestites, and the way some people dress. I think the answer to your other question is in that statement.
Be offended all you like but it's two sides of the same coin. Victim blaming, slut shaming and whatever else is all the result of the aforementioned patriarchial viewpoints.
I never said you thought any of these things either (I've had to point this out twice now). As I said the last time they were QUESTIONS. Questions asked to see whether you find any of these other scenarios acceptable (which we have established that you don't) and if not, why you see fit to abuse a particular sub group (if not all, we haven't established this yet) of sex workers (which you have failed to answer several times).
I don't think you'll win trying to have a discussion with wrecker.
The guy/girl (possibly even an ex prostitute) seems to have some serious issues. He/she really should log off and think about what he's written.
Unfortunately I doubt he will so let him/her rot in his own misconceived mind.
Be offended all you like but it's two sides of the same coin. Victim blaming, slut shaming and whatever else is all the result of the aforementioned patriarchial viewpoints.
Disagree completely. A personal distaste for prostitution is NOT related to "victim blaming" etc in any way whatsoever. It's net even tenuous, it's absurd.
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I've no advice for the OP ( or anyone else for that matter). This thread's charged because of use of words like 'slut' and 'slag' without the protective little commas I put then in, so no one's hurt...
The words are nasty, and I guess they're usually used to hurt, or pretty carelessly at least. I don't use them because they do convey mysogeny.
But this isn't because I think what they refer to - promiscuous without much discrimination - is any kind of big deal. Seriously, who's going to chuck the first stone? I know a fair few folk who've been through phases back in the day. I remember one lass - down to earth scouse feminist - doing a reclaim the language bit, happily describing herself as a 'fat slag' ala Viz. Though to be fair this wasnt accurate as she wasn't that fat...
OP- I'll leave this topic with a closing thought for you. You posted such a topic, state her age and it comes across almost like you are showing off/just want congratulations then take it the wrong way when others disagree. You state I post 'nonsense' however you cant listen or take onboard what others say to you.
If you must post deeply personal topics online to a forum that is open to complete strangers what exactly are you looking for? Praise, the go-ahead?
OP- you may smell another man or worse still the smell of a another man's porridge. This can happen in affairs.
I'll leave it there. Nothing quite as queer as folk.
We did this pages ago, as you are well aware. You decided to throw in the examples of "forced" and it was addressed at the time.
Was it?
Where?
A personal distaste for prostitution is NOT related to "victim blaming" etc in any way whatsoever.
The problem is Wrecker, whether you like or dislike prostitution, the language you've used and the sweeping statements you have made - either overtly or inadvertently - make it sound like you have a far larger issue with prostitution than a mere "personal distaste".
You are allowed to dislike and disagree with it. You are allowed to vocalise your opinion on it. But calling anyone in the sex trade a 'whore' is unfair, uncalled for and, to be frank, incredibly narrow-minded.
We did this pages ago, as you are well aware. You decided to throw in the examples of "forced" and it was addressed at the time.
Funny, I've just skipped back through nine pages to check and as I didn't "well know" anything of the sort, and the only concession I can find from you is this little en passant:
I just couldn't respect anyone who (without being forced) sells the goods.
So just so as we're clear, as I've obviously missed where you addressed the issue, in your opinion is someone forced into the sex trade a slag?
In wreckers defence.
This whole revisiting of the english language & who gets to decide if a word is pejorative ?
Do we republish the O.E.D. every monday, with the the latest redactions, that some people have had emotional baggage attached to.
If Kim Jong Un were telling his subjects, to stop using certain words we would all point and s****, at the bad dictator.
It's a bit Orwellian (1984) IMHO.
On a lighter note, what if your not happy with the service?
What happens? Discount or do you politely tip and leave the room quietly?
Funny, I've just skipped back through nine pages to check and as I didn't "well know" anything of the sort, and the only concession I can find from you is this little en passant:
Page 4, in response to PMJ.
So just for clarity, in your opinion is someone forced into the sex trade a slag?
No, they would be a slave. As I (and others) said on page 4, choice is key, and I wouldn't compare someone who is on the game to avoid a student debt or wants a new sofa with someone forced into slavery (I think you know this but points for the suggestiveness of the question).
Ladies & Gentlemen, is it time to close the thread?
It's becoming very ad hominem, rather than addressing the issues. Some of the posts make uncomfortable reading.