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junkyard, this statement of yours implies prostitutes are not women. Kinda the theme here I think..
Sadly feminism seems to have passed some of you by.
No, the topic seems to be passing you by, prostitutes can be male or female you're coming across as a sexist bigot.
It's sometimes hard to believe that we've made any progress in the last 50 years.
Anyone who has ever viewed porn has engaged the services of a sex worker seems a bit hypocritical to then call them abusive names but I expect it's got something to do with transferring the guilt some men feel at having to pay for sexual services.
A know someone who works as a stripper at Stringfellows she's a lovely lass who is considerably smarter than the men who pay her.
Sorry igmc
Reminds me of the IT Crowd Matt Berry sketch:
I used to be a man
Would I date a call girl? I wouldn't call it 'dating'. Dating implies something nice.
What an odd thing to say. You do realise that some call girls are actually fairly nice normal people who are entertaining, good company etc etc...
In answer to the op though I'd like to think the answer would be "yeah why should I care if she's a call girl or a doctor " I think in practice though it would go one of two ways - if she hated the work and I couldn't talk her out of it I think I'd have to walk away as I wouldn't be able to watch the damage, or of she was fine with the work I guess after a while I'd probably start to find it difficult and it would make me feel uncomfortable /inadequate.
So yes I would but I don't think it would last.
*edit - the assumption here being there are only two kinds of people who ran a living as sex workers which there aren't, but after all this is the Internet, home of the sweeping generalisation.
What an odd thing to say. You do realise that some call girls are actually fairly nice normal people who are entertaining, good company etc etc...
No, your just a charity event/freebie
TBH I'd only get inside her if she was an [i]Escort[/i]....
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Disagree with prostitution on a discussion forum and get likened to a serial killer. Brilliant, good work.
No, your just a charity event/freebie
work is work pleasure is pleasure.. to different things..
this statement of yours implies prostitutes are not women
It does not imply anything and not all of them are women.
Sadly feminism seems to have passed some of you by.
Nothing i have said [ ever on here never mind this thread]is sexist nothing.
Though sten1 can dislike men and no one has pulled her up on it except me 😕
That is the only statement I have seen that is openly dismissive of a gender though i may have missed something
That is the only statement I have seen that is openly dismissive of a gender though i may have missed something
yes you missed the huge pink elephant in the room but no matter...
junkyard, this statement of yours implies prostitutes are not women. Kinda the theme here I think..
Hang on a minute, in your headlong rush to be offended you've missed JYs point that they're men too, at no point did anyone say prostitutes weren't women, just weren't all women.
(Edit: crossed posts)
Prostitution is a difficult one. I used to cycle down through town (Manchester) up past all the street/industrial estate spots by Picadilly on the way to the gym. The amount of times you'd see a car driving round slowly with a childseat etc in the back (obviously just the male in) creeped me out.
Prostitution is a difficult one. I used to cycle down through town (Manchester) up past all the street/industrial estate spots by Picadilly on the way to the gym. The amount of times you'd see a car driving round slowly with a childseat etc in the back (obviously just the male in) creeped me out.
street walking is very different from putting a add on adult work.You were right to be creeped out, coz the men are creepy..
Well I am a woman and I am offended. Firstly they do not all choose to be prostitutes
I am not a woman and I agree.
Never ceases to amaze me how many blokes will spend a night trying to woo a woman in a club, chatting her up, buying her drinks, just on the off-chance that she might sleep with him at the end of the night and then never see each other again. And yet, you suggest cutting out the middle man and just giving the drinks money straight to her and those same blokes blanch at the very idea.
We're very messed up when it comes to sex. A woman has a lot of partners and she's a slag, a bloke has a lot of partners and he's a stud. How's that work?
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Wrecker, cool your jets, you're sailing far too close to the wind.
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I lived in Coimbra northern Portugal in the 90s.
I had to walk to the bus every morning and evening. This meant walking through the red light area. No lights, just many ladies of the night.
Every morning and evening I would smile and say good morning to them. I always got a smile and good morning/evening back. One day I was walking with my friend and he kindly told them my name.
So, every day it was "Bom Dia ladies" followed by "bom Dia iolo". Very pleasant.
One evening I get a date with a stunningly beautiful girl from work so I take her to a fancy restaurant. Th evening went lovely.
As I was walking her home we went through the red light area. Coming round the corner I was greeted by a chorus of professional ladies saying "Boa Noite iolo".
That was the last date I got with that girl and my reputation at work was ruined. 🙄
ok for those that don't get it, [b]Its bad to think less of a woman or speak of her in a derogatory way if she sells sex, if you do you are a ass hole[/b]
street walking is very different from putting a add on adult work
It's not! It's exactly the same thing. Just because the participants are wearing nicer underwear, it doesn't make any less seedy.
If prostitutes are socially acceptable, then you can't pick and choose which ones. And the "men" that use them must also be considered socially acceptable too so clear conscience for all of the kerb crawlers.
Its bad to think less of a woman or speak of her in a derogatory way if she sells sex, if you do you are a ass hole
No it's not bad to think less of a woman, or man because they are prostitutes, that's just your opinion (as a prostitute).
Oh yeah, and FWIW I think everyone's misunderstood Junkyard here.
Never ceases to amaze me how many blokes will spend a night trying to woo a woman in a club, chatting her up, buying her drinks, just on the off-chance that she might sleep with him at the end of the night and then never see each other again. And yet, you suggest cutting out the middle man and just giving the drinks money straight to her and those same blokes blanch at the very idea.
Disagree. Its hope- the hope you'd get off with someone really nice, it may turn into something. You may actually meet someone you like longtime. Avoid stereotyping every male in the land as wanting a one-night stand.
When we were single, deep down we all seek the life partner.
Men who see prostitutes aren't all single men are they either. How many girlfriends or wives would allow such behaviour?
In addition just because you charge £1,000 and only meet in fancy hotels doesn't mean its any different an act than £30 for a quickie in a Fiat Uno.
It's not! It's exactly the same thing. Just because the participants are wearing nicer underwear, it doesn't make any less seedy.
If prostitutes are socially acceptable, then you can't pick and choose which ones. And the "men" that use them must also be considered socially acceptable too so clear conscience for all of the kerb crawlers.
You missed the point didnt you, i was saying it much safer and nicer from the girls point of view, its a different world, the girls on the streets do it for drugs while a girl with her own flat could be doing it for drugs, but then again they might want a new sofa and TV.
No it's not bad to think less of a woman, or man because they are prostitutes, that's just your opinion
it my opinion youre a sexist bigoted ass hole that is likely a danger to women but then again that is only my opinion.
No I personally would not.
I would worry about HIV and don't want herpes or syphilis/any other disease.
Monogamist values of mine would conflict.
Would I care if you dated an escort? no - as long as you are happy I could not care less.
I would date Billie Piper.
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Disagree with prostitution on a discussion forum and get likened to a serial killer. Brilliant, good work
Bet they've changed his naughty mind though eh?
Cougar, Clobber, thisisnotaspoon I accept that I may have misunderstood junkyard, hence why I said implied, it only needed an explaination, not an insult (clobber).
Anyway clobber your conversation was limted to women was it not.
eg
I don't think wrecker is being offensive to women on the whole just those who choose to be prostitutes
Anyway aside from the unwarranted insulting behaviour I wish to address this:
prostitutes can be male or female
I wonder is there a male equivalent of slag, slut or whore?
I wonder is there a male equivalent of slag, slut or whore?
All of them are applicable.
Bet they've changed his naughty mind though eh?
This lot? Bet they haven't 😀
it my opinion youre a sexist bigoted ass hole that is likely a danger to women but then again that is only my opinion.
As I said, I don't care for the opinion of a prossie.
the hope you'd get off with someone really nice, it may turn into something. You may actually meet someone you like longtime. Avoid stereotyping every male in the land as wanting a one-night stand.
You're the one stereotyping and saying what we all want. It's pretty much what I always wanted, but it sometimes felt like I was in the minority (when I was younger, at any rate).
I didn't say, or even imply, "every male in the land." But there will be an amount who are only interested in the next conquest. You think lads go on Club 18-30 type holidays to find a life partner?
It's not sexist to call a prostitute a whore. It is sexist to go around calling women (who aren't prostitutes) whores.
It might not be sexist but it's really, really unpleasant. Labels like whore and slag dehumanise people same as words like queer, faggot, ****, coon etc etc it labels someone without a thought for why they are as they are and justifies shitty behaviour. Political correctness for all it's faults is a means to try and stop the use of terms like these. I'm half Greek does that make me a wop or a deigo or somesuch?
OP: go for it. She likes [s]you[/s] your hypothetical friend, [s]you[/s] your hypothetical friend likes her. If it all goes wrong in a couple of months, shit happens. But better that than to wonder what could have been.
Any women that sells their body for sex is going to be Psychologically screwed.
Just not true. A colleague and I got chatting with a quite mature lady who was nursing a warm coke in a hotel bar in eastern Nigeria. She looked lonely and sad and we asked her if she'd like a drink, nothing else. She joined us since she had nothing else to do and gradually the story came out: hubby had left her or died, can't remember, and she had kids to support and no job so had reluctantly turned to prostitution. She was a perfectly ordinary, mature, sensible woman. She wasn't screwed up but she was bitter about what life had dealt her. I found the whole experience very saddening.
[quote=Cougar ]You think lads go on Club 18-30 type holidays to find a life partner?You think girls do?
well id rather be me a 31 year old TS m2f part time call girl than some boring bigoted middle aged **** that cant ride a bike.
You think girls do?
Did I say that's what I thought?
as the OP to this entirely hypothetical situation, I should add that if any relationship did occur the sideline of work would finish...all parties are in agreement with that.
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One who is currently partaking, no. An ex who was all checked out, probably. A stripper, sure why not.
My main concern would be the possibility of my John Thomas falling off.
Edit no scratch that, my main concern would be the fact she's a pro and I couldn't wrap my head around it.
But then could I wrap it around dating a porn star. Hmm. At least I'd know the fellas.
Ok so who would date a pro that only did women? Does that make it better?
well id rather be me a 31 year old TS m2f part time call girl than some boring bigoted middle aged **** that cant ride a bike.
Fair enough, I'd rather keep my self respect personally. Oh and I'm not [i]that[/i] much older than you.
Fair enough, I'd rather keep my self respect personally. Oh and I'm not that much older than you.
I have self respect that why i wont do it for a few drinks..
Nope, I couldn't. I would just spend my entire time wondering what sweaty beast had been pawing at my girlfriend recently.
I recently visited Amsterdam on a work trip. As expected the red light area was part of the entertainment and I must say I don't think I have ever been less sexually interested in some rather attractive girls in my life. Was it the girls? Nope they were very pretty. Was it the place? Yep partly. It was mostly the sight of horrible, seedy looking blokes skulking out of cubicles after they had done the deed. I felt ill tbh and I am normally a horny git at the best of times.
I could never date a prostitute, not an active one or one from the past. There may be higher class prostitutes but they all let some stranger put his dick in them for money and I couldn't live with it.
Nope, I couldn't. I would just spend my entire time wondering what sweaty beast had been pawing at my girlfriend recently.I recently visited Amsterdam on a work trip. As expected the red light area was part of the entertainment and I must say I don't think I have ever been less sexually interested in some rather attractive girls in my life. Was it the girls? Nope they were very pretty. Was it the place? Yep partly. It was mostly the sight of horrible, seedy looking blokes skulking out of cubicles after they had done the deed. I felt ill tbh and I am normally a horny git at the best of times.
I could never date a prostitute, not an active one or one from the past. There may be higher class prostitutes but they all let some stranger put his dick in them for money and I couldn't live with it.
i suppose that way you would lose you sense of ownership over her wouldn't you.. 🙁
Ok sten1 I think thats a bit too far isn't it? I don't like the idea of my husband being with another woman, it is about our personal agreement to fidelity, thats what I want, it's what he wants (hopefully).
Ok sten1 I think thats a bit too far isn't it? I don't like the idea of my husband being with another woman, it is about our personal agreement to fidelity, thats what I want, it's what he wants (hopefully).
i was more upset that he seems to view some women in the same way as a second hand bike.
How did you come to the conclusion I see it as ownership of my wife? Very curious to know how you make that presumption.
TS m2f
I'm trying to keep up, but I have no idea what this means. Could you please explain?
I guess if I smelt another womans perfume on my husband I wouldn't be pleased. Maybe thats how he meant it.
street walking is very different from putting a add on adult work
It's not! It's exactly the same thing.
Let me get this straight.
A woman selling a desirable commodity and earning big money pandering to wealthy men is exactly the same as an underage girl, illegally imported into the country and then forced to work as a prostitute?
I completely and utterly beg to differ.
TS m2fI'm trying to keep up, but I have no idea what this means. Could you please explain?
the girls on the streets do it for drugs while a girl with her own flat could be doing it for drugs, but then again they might want a new sofa and TV.
That's a whole new aspect. I could do with a new car so as a joint income household I best get the wife out on the streets making some extra cash. Kids will be of age soon, as a new model on the market they should demand a premium. My rear door is virgin territory so that must be worth something too. Watch this space I'll have a Ferrari this time next week.
I wouldn't, but because of my own insecurities rather than some dubious moral viewpoint.
Sex, intimacy...2 player game, not multi player. For me, I think
A second hand bike. Nope but I would honestly view them as damaged goods both physically and mentally. From what I have read here I see that you are both defensive to men, you are defensive when it comes to sexual promiscuity(sp), you are defensive when it comes to a couple (as dbcooper has explained) having mutual feelings that sexual fidelity is important to them.
Just because this isn't your idea of a nice life doesn't mean it shouldn't be defended and I don't have to explain myself to someone that I deem this very much the case in my life
I could never date a prostitute, not an active one or one from the past. There may be higher class prostitutes but they all let some stranger put his dick in them for money and I couldn't live with it.
[i]That[/i] I understand. I guess that's the alpha male element coming out. And [i]that[/i] I believe is where the head games would be if dating a call girl.
OP > how you deal with them - and even whether you wanted to deal with them - is your call. 🙂
Anyway clobber your conversation was limted to women was it not.eg
Errr NO...
sten1 - apologies but Youtube is blocked so Im no clearer.
Nope but I would honestly view them as damaged goods both physically and mentally.
that sentence has made me feel ill, what a disgusting attitude to have.
sten1 - apologies but Youtube is blocked so Im no clearer.
I used to live in Iran, till i was 18 🙂
I completely and utterly beg to differ.
Agreed...this girl is single and loves sex. She rationalises it by the fact that she can go to a club, get pissed and shag a pissed up bloke, or she can make an arrangement online, if she likes the look of him she'd get paid £500 for a nites 'work' and put up in a nice hotel/spa whist having fun. The money is going towards a house deposit.
Morally dubious perhaps, but a far cry from being pimped out by some lowlife having been forced into prostitution
edit...having typed that I'm not sure which one is worse!
my main concern would be the fact she's a pro and I couldn't wrap my head around it.
For me the same as with a polyamorous woman...
A woman [i]who has chosen to[/i] earn big money pandering to wealthy men is exactly the same as an underage girl who is illegally imported into the country and then forced to work as a prostitute?
I think the important point here is choice. Which to my mind makes the 2 different.
Anyway
OP, no.
TS m2f
Trans sexual male to female at a guess.
A woman selling a desirable commodity and earning big money pandering to wealthy men is exactly the same as an underage girl, illegally imported into the country and then forced to work as a prostitute?
No, that wasn't even remotely what was said. As mentioned, choice is the differentiator.
@PJazz etc..
Beep calling that one as Reductio ad absurdum
"forced to work as a prostitute" makes them a victim which "trumps" any other words you may want to use
read Sibel Hodge's Trafficked if you ever need a bit of wake on that stuff
Hang on. Let me just put my Yorkshire head on here- If I date a call girl does that mean I get a discount/her on the cheap'? 
In additional - blokes, would you date a male gigolo? A sort of manwhore or 'he whore'? Who does manwhoring?
TS m2f
I think, happy to be corrected here, that it means the individual is a trans-sexual, previously they were male, now female.
I think, happy to be corrected here, that it means the individual is a trans-sexual, previously they were male, now female.
Yes its a bit like being a special collectors edition.
Nope, I couldn't. I would just spend my entire time wondering what sweaty beast had been pawing at my girlfriend recently.
Strange attitudes people have. I'm wondering where they come from? If it didn't matter to her, why would it matter to you?
Why has it made you feel ill? You have quite clearly expressed how you see sex/sexual partners and how you feel it isn't an issue. I have stated that in my eyes a lady who has let another bloke put his dick in her for money is, in some way 'damaged' either physically or mentally.
Now I don't expect you to agree with me as we are all allowed opinions, but I 100% think that if I went home to my wife and said I had paid a girl for sex she would then see me as 'damaged' in some way (As I would her).
Truth hurts and just because you have chosen to live like this doesn't mean I have to change my values.
BTW I was my wifes first as she was mine. Met at 15, boyfriend and girlfriend at 16. Waited ages (Seemed like an eternity)and have been together for 24yrs. Basically grew into adults together. I guarantee something would be damaged if one of us sold our bodies for sex (I wouldn't get much)
Strange attitudes people have. I'm wondering where they come from? If it didn't matter to her, why would it matter to you?
it comes from the fact that some men view their women as well their property.
Why has it made you feel ill? You have quite clearly expressed how you see sex/sexual partners and how you feel it isn't an issue. I have stated that in my eyes a lady who has let another bloke put his dick in her is, in some way 'damaged' either physically or mentally.Now I don't expect you to agree with me as we are all allowed opinions, but I 100% think that if I went home to my wife and said I had paid a girl for sex she would then see me as 'damaged' in some way (As I would her).
Truth hurts and just because you have chosen to live like this doesn't mean I have to change my values.
BTW I was my wifes first as she was mine. Met at 15, boyfriend and girlfriend at 16. Waited ages (Seemed like an eternity)and have been together for 24yrs. Basically grew into adults together. I guarantee something would be damaged if one of us sold our bodies for sex (I wouldn't get much)
ok im what way im a damaged goods??
it comes from the fact that some men view their women as well their property.
You belong to each other. It's like a mutual ownership except the men do whatever they're told to.
you missed the huge pink elephant in the room
I doubt it and I doubt if Wrecker said many women are bad so he only sleeps with them for money you would let it go. You would be calling him names but hey when you say it is all fine.
That is what you said about men.
Its bad to think less of a woman or speak of her in a derogatory way if she sells sex
Is it bad to think less of a man who pays for sex?
I accept that I may have misunderstood junkyard,
Easily done given the thread and the views being expressed.
No, that wasn't even remotely what was said.
Enlighten me then. It certainly sounded like it.
"forced to work as a prostitute" makes them a victim which "trumps" any other words you may want to use
Someone in that situation is undoubtedly a victim. They're also technically a sex worker too. But either way, comparing someone in that incredibly vunerable position is a far cry from a woman being paid thousands of pounds to spank an MP while his/her partner is on their yacht in the Med.
it comes from the fact that some men view their women as well their property.
Monogamy is far more deep rooted in human behaviour than a desire to "own" someone as if they are property.
Can't say I've looked into the development of the behaviour. But it will go beyond any recorded history by a vast stretch of time.
being paid thousands of pounds to spank an MP while his/her partner is on their yacht in the Med.
you dont know of any Mp's requiring that service do you?
Enlighten me then. It certainly sounded like it.
Let get this straight; You honestly and truthfully, even if you think about it for a looong time, cannot see the difference between these two quotes?
street walking
an underage girl, illegally imported into the country and then forced to work as a prostitute?
I am not going to pull you apart as I don't know you.
you dont know of any Mp's requiring that service do you?
Out local Tory is having a bit of a rough time. I can put in a good word if you want? 😉
Out local Tory is having a bit of a rough time. I can put in a good word if you want?
im happy to work for a new Di2 xtr groupset...
Crikey I'm glad I had a meeting now.
Can I just give a small round of applause to the most intelligent post on this thread on page one by Teasel, even if it contributed nothing to the argument whatsoever.
Let get this straight; You honestly and truthfully, even if you think about it for a looong time, cannot see the difference between these two quotes?
I can and I know what you mean.
My point is that there's a huge grey gulf in the middle where the two meet, and your blanket-labelling of any woman selling sex as a commodity (or "whores", to quote you directly) is in no way a fair representation of anyone in the sex industry.
Going back to the original question.
I don't think I'd have a problem with dating a sex worker, hypothetically i have no real issue with what someone does with their body or how they make a living. I tend to value trust and honesty more highly than fidelity or monogamy. Faced with the reality I'm not honestly sure whether I would be able to live up to those ideals but I hope that I would.
I would find it really difficult to continue in a relationship with a partner than had an affair though. The deceit would probably mean the end of the relationship.
[edit] I'm not sure fidelity and monogamy are really the right words. What I was thinking when i wrote that was that in my mind someone selling a sexual service isn't really committing an infidelity as there is no emotional attachment and it's the emotional response that is important in a relationship. Getting sweaty with each other is fun but without the emotional love it's just a bit of exercise and a release.
Wrecker,
What's yout opinion on ladies who deal in sexual services that live and work in countries where it's not illegal? Maybe in a pleasure house.
Ladies who pay taxes, health insurance, who've decided to make their cash using their bodies to pleasure others.
Morally, are they doing something wrong?