[Closed] Work-shy scousers

uh oh - here comes lodders !

its a joke already!!! ****ing fatty is a piss take! hes the reason that the uk is soo ****ed!

how he can sit there and be like that!

Had a feeling there would be a thread on this!

I'm sure he is stuck in some Royle Family time warp.

His daughter looks embarassed for him - at least she seems keen to try, considering she has never had a job, for whatever reason - probably her dad's attitude!

Funnily enough when the old fella started saying he wasn't going to get wet, I could almost hear the intake of breath south of Birmingham...

(said the unemployed scouser...)

I'll bet that most people watching it are saying 'bloody typical'.

Bloody typical scousers 😉

I just went off to make a tea, and whilst doing so did ponder if the production team went through a list of possible locations when they had the idea and decided that would be the best place to tick the most knee jerk boxes 🙂

Uh oh.... Not a thread for an Evertonian this....<backs out of thread>

12 months benefit... then it stops. They'd soon find a job! Simples

😆

jj55 There is enough work they could be doing for the benefits, check out the state of the roads, rubbish collected every other week etc etc

There is enough work they could be doing for [s]the benefits[/s] a decent wage, check out the state of the roads, rubbish collected every other week

Work should always pay more than benefits. Those who really need to be on benefit must be supported, but those who don't? Well, there should be an incetive to work, not sponge.

What plonker made Dave put his tie on!!??? 🙂

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Work should always pay more than benefits. Those who really need to be on benefit must be supported, but those who don't? Well, there should be an incetive to work, not sponge.

So, yossarian, your point?

Flash - agreed but those who can but choose not to should not expect something for nothing.

this thread is useless without lanesra.

There are a great number of situations where a good reasonably well paying job does not make you better off than living off benefits. You would be surprised how high that salary point is.

Your post just reminded me of big dave with his sleeves rolled up. Yknow how he does. Spouting on and on about shit he's never experienced again and again.

Thrilled for Louise particularly.
I hope it's the foot on the ladder she needs.

I sat in a Jobcentre today, firstly a man literally jogged in wearing shorts and trainers to enquire where his disability living allowance was. Whe told he had to go and phne the processing centre he again literally jogged out 😯 This was followed by a woman screaming at the poor old JC staff that her father was going to freeze to death (her words not mine) as his cold weather payment hadn't come through (bearing in mind it is now summer and the sun was beating down outside). it turned out that he turned 60 2 months too late to qualify for it last winter. satisfied with the answer they left. Surreal!

It was surreal!

Funny how there seems to be far more media demonisation of people on benefits since CallMeBigSocietyDave and his lot took over, dun't it?

Nothing at all with distracting our attention away from the shenanigans of those avoiding/evading large amounts of tax or nothing, oh no...

[i]Ooh! Give me someone I can perceive as being lower than me in the social ladder so's I can feel a bit better about myself! [/i]

Ah, do we all feel a bit better than ourselves cos there's some folk 'beneath' us, do we? How nice...

SBZ, I suppose that's my point. We need to work harder to get to a point where there isn't that disparity between benefits and work. Work should always be the better option.

How we get to that, I don't know. If I did, I'd run for office! 😉

Ah, do we all feel a bit better than ourselves cos there's some folk 'beneath' us, do we? How nice...

A base instinct of the lower middle class, exploited by the Tories for decades.

SBZ, I suppose that's my point. We need to work harder to get to a point where there isn't that disparity between benefits and work. Work should always be the better option.

Unfortunately the free market your blue brothers are so keen on only actually favours people at the top of the tree captain. Until there is a sea change in how we value personal contribution to society nothing will change...and I really don't think the Tories are going to be in the vanguard of that movement!

Seems to me that those who sneer the most are also invariably those who aren't quite as satisfied with their own lot as they might make out...

Oh FFS I agree with CPT
The safety net is a valuable thing in any society but we cannot deny that some folk have become dependant on this and have no real intention of working.
however the solution is not simple. Those who say stop benefits you have noticed there are 3 million people not working ..how many jobs do you think there are advertised. Unless we address this issue as well we will always have unemployed people whatever we do and many of these folk have nothing to offer an employer skills wise.
Knee jerk reactions are not helpful
Have a look at the crime rates of countries with no benefits when you suggest stopping benefits and think of the children who would live in the poverty caused by this. Think of the cost of prisons and realise benefits is a much cheaper option.
We also need to look at employers. Locally most of the factories now use agency staff as they dont want to offer FT hours or permanent contracts. Folk turn up to work and may get sent home that day due to lack of work. This can happen many times a month or for weeks on end. If you have a mortgage to pay it makes it difficult to accept employment so we do need to look at employers as well and some of the things they do.
we also have generations growing up with no real expectation of ever working ..poverty of aspiration also needs addressing.

Oddly even with benefit top ups you can still be worse off in work than in benefits....suggests to me that when a 40 hour week gives you less than the bare minimum to keep you out of poverty then we again need to look at employers. Look at Mc D and other companies make billions pay the minimum wage we do need to look at some corporate responsibility as well as personal responsibility
It is quite rare you will be worse off in work due to family tax credits compared to benefits...needs loads of kids usually

I have an interesting choice at the moment after finding myself newly unemployed.
I can sign up with an agency for minimum wage and work some sh1tty job with no holiday pay,no sick pay,no prospects.Or....I can sign on,get my rent paid while looking for a real job and riding my bike lots.
By the time I've paid for fuel to get to my mc-job for min wage and paid my rent and council tax....I'll end up with exactly the same amount in my pocket as I would if I signed on.
I've never claimed in 21 years of paying my taxes-am I wrong to take advantage of a system I've invested in??
Flame away.......

Sorry, Junkyard! 🙂

a man literally jogged in wearing shorts and trainers to enquire where his disability living allowance was.

I saw one guy doing one arm push ups in the waiting area to pass the time, as he waited for the Job Centre staff to sort out his disability allowance.

Really, they have no shame these people 😐

Rorschach - You will do the right thing mate or get uber fit this summer, good luck on finding proper job.

What a lazy couch potato that guy was, eh?

*awaits Darcy backlash*

Why you awaiting a Darcy backlash, you wind up merchant? Just because he made you look a knob on the obesity thread.

Leave him alone or I'll have to deal with you.

And you don't want that, do you? Hmm? No, you don't.

So be'ave.

Rorschach your call but personally I would sign on as you will find it easier to look for work that way and see what happens after tha you will get 12 weeks grace to look for whatever you want ...some try and hassle you that it is less but it is not.

Oh Elfin you silly little man, how did he make me look a knob?

Don't make me use the panda on a hobby horse!!

Use what you want, won't affect me.

DD challenged you for making glib remarks, and you chose to act a knob then came out with some BS about feeling empathy or something. What a crock.

Just be'ave and respect others, innit?

Oh Elfin you silly little man, how did he make me look a knob?

I've just checked 'cause I hadn't seen the thread and yup, looks to me like Deadly made you look like knob......maybe you hadn't noticed ?

Sorry Elfin it sounds like you're wibbling on again. 😉

You assume you know what other people are thinking... well done you.

No I hadn't ernie... maybe I'll read it again to see where I made an offensive comment...

Waffle all you want.

You know I'm right.

Enough already be quiet now.

Ernie; you have no idea just how convoluted local government politics in Tower Hamlets is. Loads of dodgy dealings going on.

Oona King as the worst though. By far.

the only reason these programs are on the telly is to deflect from the real problems in britain. working age benefit claimants are about the only adults who haven't helped cause the current economic problems.

the middle classes borrowing too much, banks going bust, baby boomers getting old. these are the real problems, but not ones that attention is drawn to.

no, lets just blame the ****less poor.

most welfare spending goes on those over retirement age, but no one looks at this, about how well it's targeted or about whether any money is wasted.

ho hum

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I'm having broccoli for supper. 🙂

"I sat in a Jobcentre today, firstly a man literally jogged in wearing shorts and trainers to enquire where his disability living allowance was. Whe told he had to go and phne the processing centre he again literally jogged out"

"I saw one guy doing one arm push ups in the waiting area to pass the time, as he waited for the Job Centre staff to sort out his disability allowance."

Quite remarkable really as disability living allowance is absolutely nothing to do with the job centre or it's staff whatsoever and is in fact dealt with over the phone or by mail by a central call centre somewhere or another by a completely different organisation(the Pensions, Disability and Carers Service (DCS)).

Oh and it's paid out for mental health issues as well, so either could legitimately have been jogging or doing push ups anyway.

just to put the record straight like 🙂

to see where I made an offensive comment...

It wasn't you making an offensive comment which made you look like a prat imo, its the fact that Deadly wiped the floor with you ....... for a little fella he can be quite, well, [i]deadly[/i], sometimes.

Obviously you were quite oblivious to it all though.

Don't worry about it Ernie I've told him to be quiet.

You doing another Biggin Hill ride this year?

I'm inclined to disagree with you Elfin, but I'll save you the trouble of posting a picture of a flyover or something and get back to watching Jamie trying to make America eat healthily.

Oh, and I'm still yet to get this notion of winning on internet forums...

Quite remarkable really as disability living allowance is absolutely nothing to do with the job cemtre or it's staff whatsoever

Well I thought that too, but that's what he seemed to be saying.......he was talking very softly and I was straining very hard to hear.

Some people are so inconsiderate 😐

No backlash from me. I'm just looking at Poor Kids on Beeb1.

"Sam lives with with father and sister. His mother walked out on the family on Sam's 2nd Birthday"

They get by £420 a month. The poverty line is around £1000 per month. In Sam's words..."we have to get what we need, not what we want".

Life's ****ing great on benefits isn't it?!?

Contrary to popular belief, the JobCentre do jack all to help people back into work. I have been unemployed for 6 months now and for all the moeny they have given me in that time I could have taken a number of qualifications that would have me working in no time. I have said to them numerous times that I would happily take a labouring job on a building site if they put me through the necessary tickets to allow me to work on one.

Well he could have been saying it, but he was saying it in the wrong bloody place if he was 🙂

You doing another Biggin Hill ride this year?

Well we were going to, but then we discovered that last year was the last Biggin Hill Air Show for [i]ever[/i] 🙁

EDIT : but Addiscombe CC will be riding through Biggin Hill tomorrow morning roadie style. 10 o'clock at East Croydon station if you want to join us, back by oneish. There's going to be at least one beginner tomorrow, so the pace should be fine for your shopping bike.

Really? Blimey! 🙁

Ah that's a shame. But how about another ride down that way anyway? I enjoyed that.

I'll bring a more suitable bike though, and wear proper shoes. I know the shopping basket and sandals upset you.

Poor children are 2.5 times more likely to suffer chronic illness.

Life's ****ing great on benefits isn't it?

tadeuszkrieger - he is correct if you are on the sick you dont need to sign on therefore you have no need to attend a job centre. You would have to deal with the benefits agency who have nothing to do with JC+ [ jobcentreplus] though they will let you use the phone to call them till you shout then they ask you to leave.
They are both part of DWP and civil servants

Life's **** great on benefits isn't it?!?

I think many people, speshly some on here, seriously have no idea about the reality of life for many people on benefits. I met a young woman a couple of years ago, had a toddler who was blind. They were waiting to be housed, but the local council had pushed them from pillar to post, in and out of 'temporary accommodation'. Meaning the little girl barely had time to adjust to her surroundings, and was becoming quite withdrawn and unhappy. Blind children need stable, familiar surroundings so they can become fully adjusted to their home environment and feel safe.

Proper upset me, listening to her. I'd like anyone who dismisses all benefit claimants with scorn and contempt to come and see the reality for many people.

Of course, that might take a bit more effort than laughing at someone on the telly.

I'd like to see the episode where 'Employment Nanny' or whatever she's called rocks up on the estate in Glasgow where 88% of families are living below the poverty line...

Just seen this Elfie :

Ernie; you have no idea just how convoluted local government politics in Tower Hamlets is. Loads of dodgy dealings going on.

And mayors with dodgy names. Why the German/Jewish sounding name, when the mayor is clearly neither German nor Jewish ? 😯

2 kids in a playground in the Gorbals having their equivalent of an STW spat:

"My house is damper than your house"

Life...etc.

85% of children living in damp flats suffer breathing problems.

Bloody scroungers.

And mayors with dodgy names. Why the German/Jewish sounding name, when the mayor is clearly neither German nor Jewish ?

Lutfur Rahman? How on Earth is that German Jewish?? 😕 He's a Bengali!

And how's it 'dodgy'? Oh, what, cos it's 'foreign'??

I despair, I really do.... 😥

if they put me through the necessary tickets to allow me to work on one.

[i]"Sam lives with with father and sister. His mother walked out on the family on Sam's 2nd Birthday"[/i]

Aye, listening to Sam is pretty heart breaking. 🙁

Bloody scroungers.

+1 as a life choice they can keep it. Sad that people have such low aspirations.

Surfer - you might want to choose to put BBC1 on and see if they have the choice...

It's not a nice story for Sam is it.

"1 in 6 poor children has considered suicide"

Jesus Christ!

****, this is a depressing programme!

surfer, please tell me you've left out a smiley or something there. You have, haven't you?

Lutfur Rahman? How on Earth is that German Jewish??

Well "Rahman" sounds Jewish to me. Or at least like the sort of name an SS concentration camp commandant might have ........a bit like Eichman you could say. Any ****stani/Muslim type who wants to call himself Rahman sounds well dodgy to me.

please tell me you've left out a smiley or something there. You have, haven't you?

I think you know me better than that DD I was taking my lead from your comment which I suspect was ironic.

"he is correct if you are on the sick you dont need to sign on therefore you have no need to attend a job centre."

If you are claiming incapacity benefit, then yes, it's the job centre and DWP that would deal with it.However the Disability Living Allowance mentioned is not managed by the DWP is dealt with by the Pensions, Disability and Carers Service (DCS) and not dealt with in a job centre at all apart from perhaps, as you say them letting you use their phone.

The fact that both are civil servants is of no real consequence however,as both organisations are compartmentalised, for example The Foreign Office,HMRC,the DVLA and the Passport office are Civil servants as well, but I wouldn't expect them to have a bloody clue about my DLA either.:)

Or at least like the sort of name an SS concentration camp commandant might have ........a bit like Eichman you could say

Marvellous. 😐

Oh, and he's Bangladeshi, not ****stani. Significant difference.

"he is correct if you are on the sick you dont need to sign on therefore you have no need to attend a job centre."

If you are claiming incapacity benefit, then yes, it's the job centre and DWP that would deal with it.However the Disability Living Allowance mentioned is not managed by the DWP is dealt with by the Pensions, Disability and Carers Service (DCS) and not dealt with in a job centre at all apart from perhaps, as you say them letting you use their phone.

The fact that both are civil servants is of no real consequence however,as both organisations are compartmentalised, for example The Foreign Office,HMRC,the DVLA and the Passport office are Civil servants as well, but I wouldn't expect them to have a bloody clue about my DLA either.:)

Whoops, sorry double post.......

he's Bangladeshi, not ****stani. Significant difference.

😕 What "significant" difference ? ...... apart from the spelling.

@ surfer, sorry the thought even crossed my mind 🙂

What "significant" difference ?

Bangladeshi cuisine involves lots of fish dishes. ****stan has a better cricket team.

Out of 12* rich countries studied, kids in the UK have the least chance of escaping poverty.

I'm sure the countries were chosen by some bleeding heart guardian reading socialist so as to make the UK look bad. 😐

construction industry is on its knees and a CSCS card wont get you a job not will training. try looking in to some LMI [ labour market information.
You can do the CSCS card test for £17.50 - the book costs £15 and your library should have a copy. It then cost £30 for the card
The reason they wont pay you is there are literally hundreds of folk with the qualification you want and experience who cant find work. If you are so confident get a career development loan.
i dont have access to the research at home but would you like to guess at what percentage of people given a vocational course got a job- seriously have a guess.
Employers wont give you chance as you still lack experience trust me I do this shit for a living and work with people like those you saw on that programme
Get a job offer in writing and then go see an adviser and ask for ADF [ advisor discretionary fund ] and they will pay for it.

you have highlighted my point - they don't do anything to help. I ask for advice and they either pass the buck or point blank refuse to help. you have given me information here that someone in the JCtr will know but the pen pushers on the other side of the desk are too lazy get get off their asses and ask.

****stan has a be[s]t[/s][b]n[/b]ter cricket team.

There.

****, that's racist in't it.

tadeuszkrieger -- remind me never to disagree with you if that is what you do when I agree with you 😆
I bow to your knowledge I have worked in a JC+ but not for them