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What's happening here?

This table was brand new, not a mark on it, 3 days ago.

It's now developed some black marks which appear to be IN the wood and are not shifting.

The house (whilst a building site) is warm (not damp) and I have not had anything other than a laptop and tea on a coaster. There has been no work done, or anything I can think that would have caused it

Google is of no help, so I turn to here - any ideas?! I cant get over how engrained in the wood it is; it's like a pen has leaked into it.

EDIT: This isn't the only spot, it's in 3 different places on table already.

Before (bit fuzzy, but the table is clean as a whistle)

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Today.

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Posted : 04/01/2015 12:22 pm
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Don't know but I've seen it before and would be interested in seeing what the cause is.


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 12:25 pm
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At a guess I'd say that the table has been previously stored in a damp or cold warehouse and bringing it inside to a warm environment has allowed ingrained mould spores to grow and develop in the grain.

I could be totally wrong though ❓


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 12:29 pm
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Looks like mould. Is the table made from ash? What material are your coasters made from? Anything odd-looking on the bottom of any of them?


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 12:29 pm
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It's an oak table.

It certainly looks like mould - it also looks very permanent 🙁

It's not where anything has been sat on either.


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 12:33 pm
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The table is Oak and the marks are possibly a chemical reaction between the oak and steel. (You need brass screws when fixing oak)

Could be a fungus activated by heat as mentioned above.

Try lightly sanding it.


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 1:18 pm
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Has any wire wool or metal dust/filings etc been near it? Iron/steel reacts with oak like this. Possibly it was finished with wire wool and bringing it inside has caused the reaction.


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 2:34 pm
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Yes, tiny specks of wire wool reacting with the tannins in the oak.

Take it back to the retailer.


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 4:11 pm
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It's an eBay job - discontinued John Lewis stock.

Thanks for the suggestions.

The guy seemed the decent sort and it was fine when he delivered it, so I won't kick off with him; suggestions above makes sense, it's just that I cannot believe it materialised in 72 hours?

It's actually to go in a bedroom, so hopefully it won't get any worse and I can just position the radio/lamp over the worst bit that's pictured.

What a bugger!


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 4:42 pm
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Maybe it came into your house cold from outside and some moisture condensed on it and activated the reaction.


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 5:53 pm
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Maybe.

It's a hell of a quick reaction though!


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 6:11 pm
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(I know nothing about wood but) could you nuke it with an anti-fungal?


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 6:15 pm
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Sadly these marks are deffo [b]not[/b] on the surface. I can best describe it that it appears a fountain pen has leaked into it!

I am a big fan of HG mould spray, but that will just bugger up the wood.


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 6:18 pm
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Pretty certain it what tiggs said. Even minute swarf particles will cause this. Although I would of thought being kiln dried ( or indeed suitably handled for furniture use) there'd no tannins left in the wood.
Or it's mould.


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 6:20 pm
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I work with oak as a part-time oak framer. The slightest contact with any ferrous metal (particularly when wet) will leave black marks. I tend to plane them off the big beams I use - often a 1/4mm pass will remove it - but you might not be so keen on a piece of furniture. The other fix is to use some oxalic acid (easily available online) to remove the black marks - but be aware that this may bleach the oak slightly.


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 6:26 pm
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You'd be surprised how quickly even just water can start to "blacken" oak - I've seen water based filler I've ([i]rarely[/i] of course 🙂 ) used start to mark the surface if I don't clean it off and sand it quickly. I have no idea what's happened here but the wire-wool/moisture theory seems plausible. 72 hours is plenty of time for it to happen.


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 6:29 pm
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I've seen something like that happen when wooden furniture has been sprayed with Melamine Lacquer and wrapped in plastic when it has dried but not cured (takes a few days to fully harden). Was it wrapped in plastic when it arrived?
Tannin reaction would happen straight away, no?


 
Posted : 04/01/2015 6:34 pm

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