[Closed] Wireless festival idiots v a brave Bobby!

It was safer right - no arguments
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our views and opinions differ. life is such.
I for one have nothing to fear from a armed police force or a return of capital punishment. some people do I suppose, for some reason or another.

At no time in British history would a sentence of capital punishment have been imposed for entering a music festival without a ticket.

Some may have been deported to Australia for attempting to do that during the London stint of Handels celebrated 1784 tour?

ask you parents or grand parents, they may have the same rose tinted glasses as myself.

Yeah I'll be sure to ask my mum, who grew up in the Gorbals in Glasgow, home of the infamous [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_razor_gangs ]Glasgow razor gangs[/url]. 🙄

some people do I suppose, for some reason or another.

[i]I for one have nothing to fear from a armed police force or a return of capital punishment. some people do [/i]

me neither but I worry for the people who, through no fault of their own, end up having to fear armed police or capital punishment.

There's enough evidence of armed police shooting the wrong people and the criminal justice system giving death sentences to the wrong person that I don't think that either armed police or the death sentence solves any problems in a way that I find acceptable and, for some, it ends in their unnecessary death.

no a safer past because people were afraid of breaking the law and the fallout from it. because police were respected.

Was it safer when you and your football hooligan mates smashed up a bar, or when your buddy sexually assaulted a women? You didn't seem afraid of braking the law then, why apply different standards now?

I for one have nothing to fear from a armed police force or a return of capital punishment. some people do I suppose, for some reason or another.

You appear totally disconnected from you own past actions and what you know propose.

ton - Member
our views and opinions differ. life is such.
I for one have nothing to fear from a armed police force or a return of capital punishment. some people do I suppose, for some reason or another.

Aye like jean charles de menenzes.

Guilty of wearing a ipod. Magic, let's have more of that kinda justice.

msp, because I became a better person and turned over a new leaf.

also, I was in the bar, not with the leeds fans, I don't like or do football. I was on a stag do.

Aye like jean charles de menenzes.

aye, or Keith Blakelock.

because I became a better person and turned over a new leaf.

All without being executed?

I was on a stag do.

This thread is amazing.

😀

ton - Member
Aye like jean charles de menenzes.
aye, or Keith Blakelock.

Would you like to see another 90 or so Blakelocks per year?

That's what what you are proposing.

Ton, where would you rather be then? and what do you base that "safer" less neds assumption on?

That's what what you are proposing.

no I am not.

Yes you are. look at the american stats and divide them by 7 for an rough indication.

Using a 30 year old murder of a policeman as an example of there being more respect for the law in the past 😆

Yes you are. look at the american stats and divide them by 7 for an rough indication.

A better comparison would be to France, Spain or Germany - similar sized countries without the utter lunacy that is allowing ordinary citizens to carry arms.

msp, no just showing there are 2 sides to every argument.

charles de menenzes. keith blakelock. same difference.

[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country ]Top 21 Countries for Executions by executions per million citizens[/url]:

[code]
Iran  2,233
Saint Kitts and Nevis 1,923
Saudi Arabia 1,552
Equatorial Guinea 1,006
Iraq 827
China 735+
Yemen 668
Libya 646
North Korea 429
Somalia 239
Botswana 203
Palestine 199
Bahrain 160
Syria 153
Oman 143
Afghanistan 120
****stan 99
Belarus 95
Sudan 84
Singapore 79
United States 70[/code]

All lovely peaceful havens eh?
Who wouldn't want to be a part of that list?

Is this really a list of countries you want to join?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country#Executed_per_capita

aye, or Keith Blakelock.

That was 30 years ago though. When apparently it was safer because people respected the police.

Doesn't compute.

GrahamS - the stats are skewered.

In at 1...Iran
2. China
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Iraq
5. United States

Wireless festival idiots v a brave Bobby!

Yep- I think hes brave. How easy would it have been for one of those to swing at him, a knife in the ribs etc? Just because the security was there doesn't mean they'd hang around if it went anymore feral.

like I said, it is what I believe. end of.

mogrim - Member
Yes you are. look at the american stats and divide them by 7 for an rough indication.
A better comparison would be to France, Spain or Germany - similar sized countries without the utter lunacy that is allowing ordinary citizens to carry arms.

like I said, it is what I believe. end of.

I don't think anyone is claiming that you don't really believe it....

🙂

ton - Member
like I said, it is what I believe. end of.

GrahamS - the stats are skewered.

So every year they execute 5% of their population?

Nope, it is measured in executions per million citizens.

Saint Kitts and Nevis only executed 1 person in 2007-2012, but given they only have a population of 52,000 that equates to an unusually high rate.

You can sort the wiki table by the absolute total instead (which is perhaps fairer to the very small populations, but less so for large populations) and the list is still very bad company: Iran, China, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, United States, ****stan, Yemen, North Korea, Vietnam, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria..

Not exactly crime-free utopias.

hardly really. I stated what I think, some people don't think like me. life is such.
I am going for some fried animal flesh now....something else some people don't like. I can live with that too.

ton - peoples' memories are incredibly poor and subjective and we have all sorts of biases, which is why you have to question your own personal hunches and look at actual verifiable evidence. Which shows that violent crime has if anything reduced quite significantly.

But then 'you can prove anything with facts'.

ton - Member
I stated what I think, some people don't think like me.

I wouldn't say I don't like ye, I've never met you to form that opinion tbh and wouldn't form that opinion of anyone on the interweb without meeting them. But some of your ideas are mental and need challenged! 😆 you come across as fine when not speaking loonball! 😀

edit: oops, I read that wrong, but still I'll leave my post! 😀

Flouncing was safer in the 60's [url= ]stats proving that flouncing was saferer in the olden days.[/url]

HA!
Looks like a great festival anyway.

Grenade !!

Seosamh77 is it not true that had jean charles de menenze not been over here illegally he would still be alive? Granted death by firing squad my be a little strong for over staying your welcome but you breaks the law you takes your chances

Runs off to avoid the shrapnel 🙂

Seosamh77 is it not true that had jean charles de menenze not been over here illegally he would still be alive? Granted death by firing squad my be a little strong for over staying your welcome but you breaks the law you takes your chances

is it not true that had jean charles de menenze not been over here illegally he would still be alive?

From [url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4713753.stm ]a BBC news report at the time[/url]:

Mr Straw met Brazilian Foreign Minister Celso Amorim in London, where they discussed the return of Mr Menezes' body to Brazil.

Both Mr Straw and Mr Amorim said they believed he was living in the UK legally - though there are reports that his precise immigration status is still being checked.

"I haven't got any precise information on his immigration status, my understanding is he was here lawfully," Mr Straw said.

The Home Office could not confirm his immigration status but said they were looking into it "as a matter of urgency".

If the Home Office didn't know his immigration status then how was it a factor in his shooting?

I've not been reading this since last night. where have we got to now? has Mr Angry offered to hit anyone yet?

No, but he is happy enough to be executed if he does.

I think we were on the verge of national service but he gave up before we got to that card.

also, I may add, national service would be a good idea. and borstal's.

would it help get the crime rates back up to the levels of the good old days?

ask you parents or grand parents, they may have the same rose tinted glasses as myself.

I asked my dad. He remembers frequent civil unrest, IRA bombs, football riots and casual violence of a Friday night. The evidence suggests he's right and you're wrong.

ton - Member
also, I may add, national service would be a good idea. and borstal's.

Trying too hard now at the old controversy! 😆 Are ye always at the wind up, or do you believe some of this nonsense?

cos I am bored.

Are ye always at the wind up, or do you believe some of this nonsense?

He's obviously trolling, but that doesn't mean his points should go unchallenged.

seosamh, always on the wind up...life is far too short for seriousness.
it helps pass my day. ;o)

fair enough! 😆

this all sounds fun. Maybe we should campaign for the mods to replace the ban hammer with the birch. Might cause people to think twice before they post pictures of norks or try to evade the swear filter

replace the ban hammer with the birch. Might cause people to think twice before they post pictures of norks or try to evade the swear filter

Pretty shure that would only encourage some!

Hi Ton. Some interesting points raised here. I work in the emergency services, and one country that should be looked as is Northern Ireland, where cops have been routinely armed for many years. They still have to deal with drunken folk/anti social behaviour on a Saturday night. Firearms are not the solution. Also, the training logistics of EVERY cop having to spend time off the beat training would be impossible and very very costly.
I don't think this will happen anytime soon.

It would be nice tho 😀

Ton's points on armed police in Europe and their influence on British footie fans can be seen as a factor in calming them down, but a bigger factor is probably how the German, French, Italian police beat the crap out of anyone who was English at the scene.

And even thought many English protested that they were not causing trouble after getting smacked round the head with a riot stick, and then bundled in a van, detained and deported, it did stop the violence and calm the situation.

Just a shame our police sit back at times of civil unrest and let the little darlings tire themselves out.

Just a shame our police sit back at times of civil unrest and let the little darlings tire themselves out.

That didn't happen during the UK riots. We were called from all over the UK to troubled areas. Due to cuts etc, we have barely enough to cover our own areas, nevermind trying to mobilise 50-60 moreto deal with civil unrest in other parts of the UK.

Capital Punishment never has been a deterrent. It exists purely for revenge.

Meanwhile in America where they have capital punishment

10 dead and dozens shot at the weekend. But it's OK 'cos it's fewer than in the same period last year.

I don't think this will happen anytime soon.

It would be nice tho

Sancho - Member

Just a shame our police sit back at times of civil unrest and let the little darlings tire themselves out.

You can't actually think that's true?

Firearms are not the solution. ..
I don't think this will happen anytime soon. ..
It would be nice tho

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Arming our police would be detrimental, especially to Sunderland supporters. A mate of mine is a cop & is a Newcastle season ticket holder. 🙂

Bring back corporal punishment as well while we're on.