[Closed] Wireless festival idiots v a brave Bobby!

arming the uk police would be a good thing.....in my eyes.

cos that's so successful in the US, isn't it 🙄

they do have guns, for use when they think they need them

Lone Bobby and 8 security blokes...

arming the uk police would be a good thing.....in my eyes.

Based on what?

You think a pistol would have made that situation any better?

arming the uk police would be a good thing.....in my eyes.

Yeah!, damn right….I'm pretty sure they've never shot the wrong person….ever 🙄 , and i'm sure an armed officer in that situation above is called for.

i find that people act a bit nicer in general when armed police officers are around. and like i said in my eyes.....or some people like bum sex, others dont. 😀

i find that people act a bit nicer in general when armed police officers are around

You find? I am interested to learn more about your findings. Did you use science?

Edit. I'm sorry for being flippant but really! You find?!

See 3:08 onwards. The cop goes in on his OWN with no sign of 8 security blokes. Brave lad.

Grown men with little satchels?

Dealers.

seavers, yes i find. i have been very drunk and very boisterous on a number of occassions in my life.
2 spring to mind. amsterdam in 1989 with a large group of leeds united fans. a bar was wrecked and it looked like it was gonna get worse.
the police arrived....all armed like they are in holland.
the tempers soon cooled.
1992 in a bar in benalmadina, a bloke i was with touched a womans arse, another woman pulled a knife out on him, the police arrived, with guns on their hip....guess what happened?

Grown men with little satchels?

Dealers.

More likely to be just metrosexuals and hipsters.

if that is the sort of people that such festivals attract then...... screw it.... not worth the back lash.

The security look to me as tho they are shitting it big time. They were looking out for each other not the copper. However you look at it, bigger balls than most.

All that to see Drake and that Nicki Minaj...

Classy people, real classy.

i find that people act a bit nicer in general when armed police officers are around.

Ah yes, the peace of the gun.

wrightyson - Member

The security look to me as tho they are shitting it big time. They were looking out for each other not the copper

Aye. TBH there's a few flavours of security at festivals... if this had been at Reading there'd have been one absolute zoomer in a hiviz fighting the entire lot of them and winning. And as soon as he was finished, another 30 would have turned up and beaten up all the bystanders. And [i]then[/i] the copper would arrive.

Strangely seavers i find that too. i used to live in germany and belgium both of whom have armed coppers and generally it seems to calm down clowns due the sight of a gun. I also found that when i was in the army when i had my own gun it had a similar result

Ironically i also find someone as big as ton also calms clowns down. Cos hes massive 🙂

Peace through superior firepower

ton - Member
seavers, yes i find. i have been very drunk and very boisterous on a number of occassions in my life.
2 spring to mind. amsterdam in 1989 with a large group of leeds united fans. a bar was wrecked and it looked like it was gonna get worse.
the police arrived....all armed like they are in holland.
the tempers soon cooled.
1992 in a bar in benalmadina, a bloke i was with touched a womans arse, another woman pulled a knife out on him, the police arrived, with guns on their hip....guess what happened?

If we are only allowed to use dimwitted logic, that is the only conclusion I can come to.

That looks like such a shit festival anyway. It's called the 'New Look (as in the crappy clothing chain) Wireless Festival' and has a 'Pepsi Max Arena'.

Messy

1992 in a bar in benalmadina, a bloke i was with touched a womans arse, another woman pulled a knife out on him, the police arrived, with guns on their hip....guess what happened?

In other news a bloke in Melbourne obviously didn't feel the same as you when he decided to shoot a policeman in the back of the head last night.

More guns more problems.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/arts-entertainment/security-unable-to-stop-thousands-breaking-out-of-wireless-festival-2015070699899

I grew up South Africa, where all the police are armed. It really doesn't help.

They shot him? The cops let the woman with the knife cut your mates balls off? Go on there must be a good end to the story.

no, it all ended nice a quietly. again tempers were cooled by armed police turning up.

the sooner we arm the police and bring capital punishment back, the sooner we will live in a nicer country. imho that is.

no, it all ended nice a quietly. again tempers were cooled by armed police turning up.the sooner we arm the police and bring capital punishment back, the sooner we will live in a nicer country. imho that is.

So your mate would have carried on if unarmed cops had turned up?

Don't think I've seen a nice well adjusted place with capital punishment, if you need the police armed then the people are the problem.

ton - I'm struggling to think of a country where the presence of armed police, the death penalty or a large prison population makes any difference to the overall crime rate?

And are we really saying that's it's ok to shoot people trying to get into what's basically a private party in a public park?

If the organisers can't guarantee the security of their own event then they shouldn't get a licence, not be relying on blokes with guns to turn up and save the day.

I think the woman would have stabbed him if the police had not arrived.

Britain is a shit hole, it is becoming a chav infested pit, with the majority having no respect for anyone nevermind the police.
if you follow the law you have nothing to worry about....if you don't, you should face the consequences.

so the police turning up not their guns was the calming influence.
The consequence of breaking the law is the punishment of the law not getting shot in the street. Look how it works in the states it's not all sunshine and lollipops.

[i]if you follow the law you have nothing to worry about.[/i]

It's not really for a police officer with a gun to decide whether you're breaking the law and that the appropriate punishment is death though is it?

give them the power of Dredd. 8)

Taxi for Ton!

[i]give them the power of Dredd.[/i]

If we want to live in a society like the one he inhabited that's exactly what we should do.

can I just ask, if the bobby in the video had struck one of the people trying to get in, what do you think would have happened?

no idea, left my psychic balls at home this morning. Though in general escalating things with violence doesn't normally end well. He could of shot them, well as many as he had bullets for.

Anyway if it was Glastonbury it would all have been about cute hippies trying to jump the fence cause thats what we do.

do you think maybe that the lot of them would have jumped on him?

as I said

no idea, left my psychic balls at home this morning.

What do you think?

come on, you know. if he had struck one of them with his baton, what would have happened?

if you want speculation it could have gone many ways.

What you getting at ton? Want to give them all guns and beat up the guys trying to get in? Shoot a couple so they get the message?

Britain is a shit hole, it is becoming a chav infested pit, with the majority having no respect for anyone nevermind the police.

Much as I agree with some of that sentiment, there are plenty of countries with armed police with similar or much worse social problems.

In the situation above I think mace/pepper spray might have been effective. But IANAP.

can I just ask, if the bobby in the video had struck one of the people trying to get in, what do you think would have happened?

Looks like he swings at a couple of them.

Conversely if the lone copper had drawn a gun whilst swarmed with people, how long before someone makes a grab for it resulting in either an accidental discharge or a zooming chav with a gun?

I reckon that there is a good chance that if he struck one of the them, the lot of them would have jumped him.

do you think that is a possibility?

I reckon that there is a good chance that if he struck one of the them, the lot of them would have jumped him.

But you think if he shot one of them then the rest would walk away quietly?? 🙄

i reckon ton has something here--his logic dictates that infants should be armed ,in preparation for the short life that beckons, them with the most money will have the biggest weapons .....simples.... 😥

the sooner we arm the police and bring capital punishment back, the sooner we will live in a nicer country. imho that is.

I think you need to go out for a bike ride to clear your head and only return when you've given time to truly consider your statements.

all jokes aside,when people think that peace is achieved by bigger and more deadly weapons then something is wrong with basic socialisation --oh ,i suppose thats what govt preach, they call it defense..

Britain is a shit hole, it is becoming a chav infested pit, with the majority having no respect for anyone nevermind the police.

It is the same as it always has been, the false utopia you dream of never existed, from chavy yorkshiremen going abroad causing trouble, grabbing womens arses in bars, mods and rockers fighting in seaside resorts in the 60's, the rise of the criminal gangs in ww11 that became the later crime families, all major uk cities have had gang problems since industrialisation, and I dare say life wasn't so free of violence before that.

We are probably living in one of the safest most crime free periods of history, but media fuelled scaremongering and false dreams of a past only found in romance novels has created a greater fear than ever and a gradual erosion of the freedoms won in the post war years.

the bobby was doing his job. there was a great chance of him getting a good hiding, or worse for doing his job.
this is wrong, but it is a fact in Britain today that this happens.
it did not happen in the past, there was a very good reason for this.
most older people will seem to remember capital punishment being a pretty good deterrent againt breaking the law.

it did not happen in the past

I don't think it is possible to be any further from the truth.

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Britain is a shit hole, it is becoming a chav infested pit, with the majority having no respect for anyone nevermind the police.

This. The vast majority of posters on here have never even seen a proper scumbag or had any dealings with one.

and there were no scumbags in the past because they were all scared of the gallows??

How did he end up in that situation solo in the first place, where's the other dude? Or do they get sent out solo now?

the bobby was doing his job. there was a great chance of him getting a good hiding, or worse for doing his job.
this is wrong, but it is a fact in Britain today that this happens.
it did not happen in the past, there was a very good reason for this..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

List starts in 1900.

most older people will seem to remember capital punishment being a pretty good deterrent againt breaking the law.

At no time in British history would a sentence of capital punishment have been imposed for entering a music festival without a ticket.

Britain is a shit hole, it is becoming a chav infested pit, with the majority having no respect for anyone nevermind the police.

Utter, utter bollocks I'm afraid. We live in one of the safest countries in the world. There's many countries around the world where the rule of law only applies if you have money to pay the police. People saying stuff like this need to take a serious reality check and remember how lucky we all are.

And I've worked in plenty of rough areas with plenty of 'scumbags' and young offenders etc.

grum, we lived in a safer one in the past. and I am old enough to remember it.

Northwind, most forces have had a singlecrewing policy for years now. It's much cheaper.

which one ton? The list of police deaths doesn't really back that up, the violent riots of the past doesn't, history doesn't.

The chance of you being involved in violent crime is low, there are huge numbers of places round the world where you would be less safe.

Perhaps you are choosing what you want to remember, then suggesting arming the police as a way to stop it and executing people? Would that make you safer or just make you think you were.

mikewsmith.....where do you live?

ton - Member
I think the woman would have stabbed him if the police had not arrived.

Britain is a shit hole, it is becoming a chav infested pit, with the majority having no respect for anyone nevermind the police.
if you follow the law you have nothing to worry about....if you don't, you should face the consequences.

grum, we lived in a safer one in the past. and I am old enough to remember it.

Ah those violence-free days just 20 short years ago...

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seosamh77

have you ever met me?

Live in Tasmania, before then Lakes, Outskirts of Rochdale, Glasgow, Liverpool Suburbs, all over the east mids, Coventry. It's not perfect but there has been violent crime and disorder for a long time. Riots, gangs and the rest it's not new.

grahams, those charts are balls. what year did they start, and what year did capital punishment stop.
go away with you silly charts...pppfff

timidwheeler - Member

Northwind, most forces have had a singlecrewing policy for years now. It's much cheaper.

Yeah, but in this situation? I can't remember ever seeing a solo officer at a festival except on information/outreach points.

mikewsmith....mmm I thought you were a ex pat. say's a fair bit that doesn't it.

Number of police killed in america 2014 - 623
Number of police killed in the uk 2014 - erm no easily googleable stats. I suspect the answer is 0.

Number of people killed by the police in the america 2014 - 1,029 (with a few weeks to go)
Number of people killed by the polic in the uk 2014 - 1.

Aye lets militarise society, it works so well elsewhere.

go away with you silly charts...pppfff

Yeah, Graham. You chart-****er. We're going to decide this based on one angry old man's hunches and possibly a poll in the Daily Express.

😉

ton - Member
seosamh77
have you ever met me?

Nope. But your bird brain ideas are fairly prevalent on here.

The fear of crime's totally unconnected to the actual rate of crime. Why is it we're so down on some forms of terrorism but so open to the sort that happens in the media?

Remember, DON'T GO OUTSIDE.

anger is not a thing I possess bigdummy.

yeah I moved, it had nothing to do with your paranoid fear of crime and rose tinted specs. I remember the good old days of IRA bomb threats and the actual real bombs that went off. The pics above of riots happened, the police in the wikipedia link all died.

we lived in a safer one in the past. and I am old enough to remember it... what year did capital punishment stop.

Last executions were 1964. Exactly how old are you ton??

Ton, I'm sorry to drop this on you but Heartbeat isn't real.

graham, I remember a safer past, not the last execution. I don't think I said that I did.

thestabiliser - Member

Ton, I'm sorry to drop this on you but Heartbeat isn't real.

bastid....you have knocked me off my train of thought.....proper pmsl.

graham, I remember a safer past, not the last execution. I don't think I said that I did.

A "safer past" which you claimed was due to capital punishment, which was abolished in 1965.

ton - Member
graham, I remember a safer past,

Hell even growing up in the 80s and 90s I have a very real sense that the uk(or atleast glasgow) is a much safer place these days than it was.

no a safer past because people were afraid of breaking the law and the fallout from it. because police were respected.

ask you parents or grand parents, they may have the same rose tinted glasses as myself.

Where do you think I get stories from the 60s and 70s from?

Fact is as I showed with my american stats is that arming the police is lunacy. you'll just arm the criminals (much much further) and things will get much worse..