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I do get what you mean about the jackel. An expert in skulldugery a la Neil Back and Martyn Williams. It's true that Robshaw isn't one of these types (to be fair, he is 6ft 2 and nearly 18 stone).
I think he offers more than the traditional 7. He gains yards, tackles like a machine, catches high balls, passes well and jumps in the line out. At times, he has held the team up by the bootstraps. I don't know if he is the best man for the Lions capt, but I think he's very inspirational. 2 MOM awards in a row, and consistently englands best player. He's like my gav 😀
Oh No, Ashton picked. oh sh1t! Well done, victory to Wales. just please dont be quite so sanctimonious when you win this time please!
Fair enough aa, that system did seem to work great for wales last year.
Lydiate tackles, Warburton jackals. I guess both sides play to the strengths of their own players, and as long as the balance of skills is there, it can work anyway. Incidentally, your explanation raises my opinion of Lydiate. He's an excellent tackler, but I always felt he lacked that little bit extra as a 6 compared to someone like Ferris. It seems he was playing his role in his team's system to perfection.
😉 But IMO, it's Wales that are playing them the [s]wrong[/s] unconventional way around, not england. First one tackle, second win ball. And seven should be first if he's any good. 😉 (agrees to disagree and leave this point alone?)
Anyway, it all goes out the window on consecutive plays. You're never first to two in a row from the bottom of a breakdown, assuming the rucking's a fairly decent pace, so a bit of balance to the skillset helps any back-rower. And Ireland spoil any explanation by trying to tackle without ever putting players on the floor.
Agree about Cole. Gethin's got a bit of it too. There's a few other players with that skill not playing flanker too, BOD's been at it for years.
And about the captaincy. At the moment,for me, the most certain starters don't match the most likely captains. My outside pick, [s]assuming[/s] hoping he'll make the team at 6 or 8, would be SOB. I reckon he does have that little bit extra going forwards and in defence.
Can't agree that Cole is a good turnover player....yes he does it, as does Hartley a fair bit....however both of them are penalty magnets at the breakdown. Something that Warbs, Robshaw et al manage to avoid.
Physics mean that a squat dwarf is always going to be better at a game involving 50% of play onto a ball on the ground.He can squirrel into tight places better and get to ball on the ground faster.If he can grow a good engine and has a good rugby brain, he is on a winner. That is why Back was so good. I rate Warburton as better than Robshaw in the position as his rugby brain is a bit sharper. I played 1xv at London Scottish and was at 6"3" considered too tall for 7 for the game Ally McHarg wanted. And at 16 stone too light for 6.....Mind you I was only 20,nothing a couple of years drinking Guinness because London beer was so grim couldn't cure 😀
I have a lot of sympathy for Robshaw, he is a 6 who wants to play for his country, who wouldn't?
On the topic of Wales and turnovers it seems that in the last year or so it has mainly been Gethin and J. Davies getting the turnovers (I don't know the stats but this is how it appears).
I am a big fan of Davies and he has improved a lot as an international since he came on the scene. At the start the thought of him kicking or running out the line at weird times must have given Edwards nightmares! I would love for him to make some nice line breaks against England like his early Scarlets form that got him noticed in the first place 😀
I hate to be negative but I can see England playing 9 man rugby to great effect at the weekend- playing the territory game to get in the Wales half and forcing penalty upon penalty. Wales have the players to beat England at their own game but appear to be much more determined to go for tries and just pick up penalties as a consolation rather than as match winning points... Maybe I am seeing this in a funny way 😕
Perhaps in RWC form, warbs [i]maybe[/i] had the upper hand but he hasn't been in that form in a long time and robshaw has been far superior for quite a while.
He's a good a 7 as any lions contender. The fact that he may also be as good at 6 is neither here nor there.
Both teams will kick the leather off the ball. Wales will only go wide in the oppos 22. First half v ireland apart they have been solid in defence and taken chances well. As ever though I fear a lineout collapse is always just around the corner!
He gains yards, tackles like a machine, catches high balls, passes well and jumps in the line out
sounds like the perfect 6 to me, most good sixes can cover 7 very well. Hill was a great 7 but a better 6.
Traditional 6 or 7 or 8 in the modern game really gone as the with prop forward who turned up to trundle from set piece to set piece......
croft could be the man to turn the match for england BUT fitness and match ready may not be there.
Result likely to be settled on pens
I thought that Croft was looking off the pace towards the end against Italy and he only played for 20 odd minutes. I guess that the coaches are pretty sure that he's fit though.
I agree with vondally that pens will most likely decide the game which would be a real shame. I feel England have the upper hand here.
Croft is a worrying inclusion from an English point of view. There must be a game plan but some of the selections appear a little iffy (no-one mention Ashton again 😀 )
Croft when fit is absolutely superb. I'm interested to see how bigger Croft plays for a full (weill, until Haskell comes on) 80. If nothing else, it's amazing to see him back after an injury as bad as he's had!
How much has Croft played since coming back? Cant say I've ever been that impressed with him.
This is all irrelevant as I know Ashton is going to win the Grand Slam with one of his swallow dives with 1 min to go. I've seen it in my tea leaves. On the plus side we need a new telly anyway and window repairmen always need work!!!
Not a lot, maybe a couple of games? I did read that he's a little concerned going into contact so put back on the stone he lost after the accident, plus another one... Gym monkeys rock!
Ashton looses the game by petulantly throwing the ball at Norths head, forgetting he's actually still in play and watches north run 70 yards to score. At which point he'll blame the ref.
Croft has played less than 3 full games worth of rugby as far as I am aware. I rate him very highly when fit and on form.
Ashton puts in high early off the ball hit/tip tackle on any Welshman to get off the pitch soon as he sees size of opo wingers.
He gains yards, tackles like a machine, catches high balls, passes well and jumps in the line outsounds like the perfect 6 to me, most good sixes can cover 7 very well. Hill was a great 7 but a better 6.
He's also got four turnovers to his name this Championship, to Warbuerton's one.
I think both play better than the stats suggest.
Warburton
Robshaw
Minutes
172
320
Carries
11
48
Metres
11
129
Average gain
1m
2.7m
Defenders beaten
1
0
Tackles
21
47
Missed tackles
2
6
Turnovers won
3
2
And another - Freddie M is joint favourite at the bookies for MoM tomorrow!
What's your predictions?
I'm going for Ireland (<5 points), France (easily) and England (<10 points)
As a Scot I hope the last 2 are wrong!
He's also got four turnovers to his name this Championship, to Warbuerton's one.
Who has the most turnovers in the championship? Where can I find such a stat?
Who has the most turnovers in the championship? Where can I find such a stat?
Here; www.getalifeyousadgit.co.uk 😀
Come on Duckie, give an Irish fan a break, we must be good at something!
anagallis_arvensis - MemberHow much has Croft played since coming back? Cant say I've ever been that impressed with him.
This is all irrelevant as I know Ashton is going to win the Grand Slam with one of his swallow dives with 1 min to go. I've seen it in my tea leaves. On the plus side we need a new telly anyway and window repairmen always need work!!!
AA - why is it that you have nothing good to say about any English players regardless of who they are! It's comments like this that make me wholeheartedly believe that all the Welsh supporters want a bloodbath tomorrow!
He's also got four turnovers to his name this Championship, to Warbuerton's one.
Hovis secured four in the last game alone, so not sure where your stats are from!
AA - why is it that you have nothing good to say about any English players regardless of who they are! It's comments like this that make me wholeheartedly believe that all the Welsh supporters want a bloodbath tomorrow!
readings not a strong point is it!
Shakey 😯 how did you deduce that from AAs post???
Pigface - Member
Shakey how did you deduce that from AAs post???
Not just me then is it.... 😉
Interesting that Lancaster's commented that he's not bothered about the win, but how the players react to the occasion in light of a looming world cup final 😯
Pigface - MemberShakey how did you deduce that from AAs post???
I know its a long shot to go from what AA said to my comment but I firmly believe that most Welsh supporters are so blinkered that they would feel that they have let their country down if they admit that an English player was any good! Personally, I don't feel it very sporting for North to state this but players are not shy of stoking the fire!!
AA - Apologies, should of added a 😆 to my post!
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Gerorge North:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/21795152
"Wales is a massive rugby nation, and whenever we play England there seems to be this long, long rivalry that everyone just wants a bloodbath, really."
"You try to keep a cool head and you try to maintain calm and focus. But everyone you see on the street is saying 'make sure you smash their heads in!'."
Nice to see where we stand, tomorrow I will mostly be hating the welsh.
It does make me smile when the English get accused of arrogance given they way a number of Welshists go on 😀
[b]I want a bloodbath,[/b] there I have said it. I want the game to look like a version of the Hunger Games/Battle Royal played over a smaller pitch.
As a neutral;The Welsh only get uppity and arrogant when there is a game like this. That is not an accusation that anybody can really make of England, no matter what the sport. Which must be crap, imagine going into every tournament as world beaters only to be let down by superior foreign johnnys (football) or Colonials (rugby)
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😆Nice to see where we stand, tomorrow I will mostly be hating the welsh.
Can he shit out of that chin?
"You try to keep a cool head and you try to maintain calm and focus. But everyone you see on the street is saying 'make sure you smash their heads in!'."
That's really quite sad. He must mix with some low-specification human beings.
He was probably strolling around Merthr.
A Welsh mate of mine has emailed to say he won't be biking on Sunday as he'll be completely hung over after the celebrations.
I emailed back, "see you on Sunday".
I really dont understand what makes some people read something somone else has said then ignore what I have written but still come on here and make pretty stupid and derogatory comments about me.
For the record I said Robshaw is a good player and good captain recently but might be a better six than 7. Cole is an excellent tighthead, parling and launbury very good locks ( maybe too similar to be an otstanding pairing) and Tuilagi a very fine player. I likeboth Youngs too. Lawes is a **** though and so are Hartkey and and Ashton. The england is playing better than wales in the recent past and are justifiable favourites. Wales can win though if they up their game.
Croft is like a better version of Aaron Shingler, not the type of player I look for in a six and too lightweight for lock.
Norths comments are stupid but hes only about 12 he'll learn when he grows up.
Well I'm off over the road to Eirias Park to watch Wales v England U20s game, will be nice to see Wales bring it home as a dry run for Saturday.
You just had to call Hartley Lawes and Ashton names didn't you 😆
I really dont understand what makes some people read something somone else has said then ignore what I have written but still come on here and make pretty stupid and derogatory comments about me
Lawes is a **** though and so are Hartkey and and Ashton.
😀
Must be your witty personality AA <man-hug>
I'm off home now to get drunk for what will hopefully be the first of two nights in a row.
I'd like to wish everyone, Irish French (ok, maybe not the french) Scots Welsh and AA a great weekend of rugby and drinking and buy you all a virtual pint!
Chin Chin all may the best teams win!
*Swi-ing low, Swee..... <fades>*
What type of ****ing idiot would want to view a house at 3.00 tomorrow! Thats me out walking the dog and two year old for an hour.. boody god job the wales game isnt on at 3.
Norths comments are stupid but hes only about 12 he'll learn when he grows up.
He was just being honest. I don't blame the lad at all. It's the attitude of the people he's speaking to that I worry about.
Can he shit out of that chin?
Yes. It's his party trick and how he originally bagged off with the princess 🙂
Wales with no players as good as Robshaw, Farrel and Cole and look set for a kicking.
I don't get all this praise for lineout 'guru' Parling. The lineout for England has been dire all 6N's....we are the worst in the stats and it has been painfully obvious when watching.
anagallis_arvensis - MemberI really dont understand what makes some people read something somone else has said then ignore what I have written but still come on here and make pretty stupid and derogatory comments about me.
For the record I said Robshaw is a good player and good captain recently but might be a better six than 7. Cole is an excellent tighthead, parling and launbury very good locks ( maybe too similar to be an otstanding pairing) and Tuilagi a very fine player. I likeboth Youngs too. Lawes is a **** though and so are Hartkey and and Ashton. The england is playing better than wales in the recent past and are justifiable favourites. Wales can win though if they up their game.
Croft is like a better version of Aaron Shingler, not the type of player I look for in a six and too lightweight for lock.Norths comments are stupid but hes only about 12 he'll learn when he grows up.
AA - TBH I dip in and out of this thread as whenever I do read it there is always some anti-english comment which just makes me think what is the point of reading on when I know what is going to be written! This is probably where I have missed your pro-england statements. Incidentally, I have Welsh and Scottish mates and they will gladly support anybody who is playing against England and whilst I also find this equally annoying I have always gone along with it but in this thread it is just plain annoying. Personally, I support Wales when they are not playing England as I have Welsh ancestry but I would lay any money that no Welshman would think the same way!
I have already stated I would support the Al-Qaeda 15 if they were playing england, I don't understand why this offends people so much. I am Welsh and want us to win tomorrow so much but if we don't its not the end of the world, there will be other chances. Us Welshies will cop lots of stick but it is just a bit of banter. Save the real unpleasantness for the football crowd.
Come on Wales lets have a huge party in Cardiff tomorrow 😆
Any chance you could point out these anti english statements I've made?
Really hoping for a cracker of a game. Plenty of tries please and the lead changing hands several times would be good.
Meanwhile, as the two teams complete their pre-match preparations, uncertainty surrounds the selection of Owen Farrell at fly-half for England ahead of a potential ‘kicker-takes-all’ contest with Wales’ Leigh Halfpenny.“If he does play, whoever comes out on top could be taking kicks for the Lions in the summer,” gushed the impartial John Inverdale, while rhythmically rubbing his hands up and down his legs. “The way Halfpenny looks up at the posts before he strikes the ball, presumably recalling the hardships of his Welsh upbringing in a cave; it’s so touching – literally. And then there’s Owen – it’s all in those gorgeous eyes with Owen – a majestic presence with his clenched buttocks, chiselled hair and designer bloodstain. He can slot my conversion any time he likes.”
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“What we thought was lard turned out to be liver from an overweight goose. There’s no way we’re offering customers that, even if they are English.” 😆
Cheers Flash that made me laugh.
Well done England u20 team on 6n victory. Wish I'd watched it now!
duckman - Member
Gray broken, Kellock to start I hope. If he doesn't I suspect there will be a chapter in his autobiography entitled "Me and Johnston's daughter."POSTED 4 DAYS AGO # REPORT-POST
When's the book due?
And is Grant Gilchrist any good?
Loum he will be, but he is picked cos apparently kelllock will be 34 at next wc.
being in your 30's mean you are done just like Hines and Shaw were.
cheers duckman.
BOD's age now.
And Brad Thorn's just ggone back to NZ for another season at 38. Lock's last for ever. I reckon your original explanation still stands. 🙂
Good golly gosh I'm nervous and excited!
Off to work till lunch, buying beer on the way back-day sorted....food is over rated. 🙂
Arguing aside - it's raining, we've got cupboards full of good food and drink, and there are three rugby matches on all afternoon and evening each with something at stake.
Brilliant 🙂 Iechyd da pawb!
Predictions
Italy
Wales
Scots
Give me some odds 8)
Predictions:
I will be very nervous and Ashton will swallow dive the winning try.... the **** 😳
[b][i][u]RESULT! [/u][/i][/b]
I just got the last two bottles of Brains SA on the shelf!
🙂
Two bottles? Pushing the boat out then CFH?
Rest assured, I picked up a few other choice morsels of liquid supply!
🙂
Lunch is ready, dinner will be beef in Fuller's Golden Pride which is in the slow cooker already. Friends over in time for the first game. Could be a long one!
Sounds like its all arranged. Enjoy!
I'm off to the most old mannish, comfortable pub with good ale that I can find.
I am stressed!!
Good. I'm glad you Welsh **** 🙂
Me too 😳
Here we go! 🙂
What is Wayne Barnes on about, Healy made the tackle and Pom was on his feet trying to steal the ball, pen Ire surely?
Ireland centres do love to make a tackle with their face don't they!
That was a bit nasty from BOD! Potential rib breaker.
I've got a bad feeling about this. BOD what was that?
Another stampy Irishman....
Good to see that picked up by the touch judge.
Can't be condoned but the Italian must have been watching Lazio last week rolling about like that
Much like Marshall (?) a few minutes earlier giving it the full Tom Daley! 😉
Hardly! Ireland have been truly awful
Another Italian acting like a wendyballerist at the end then.
Sadly BOD making lions calls easier. Looking a lost soul in the last few matches. Sad.
Not really he has still looked a good player in a poor team. He was outstanding against Wales and France
What a shambles from Ire, after the first half in Wales we have been terrible ever since. Ok we have had lots of injuries but the performance and discipline from many of the players has been way short of the mark. I hope the Scots beat France #dontwantwoodenspoon
Edit- well done to Italy thoroughly deserved