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Is there any way of permanently suppressing the update? I am so frustrated with it, I've had Windows online support people apparently suppress 4 or 5 times now, but once again pc is back to insisting on doing the update when I turn off (usually happens within a week). Leaving the pc on all the time is clearly not sensible, so is it unavoidable?
The reason I can't let it happen is that previous updates have taken out both the keyboard and mouse each time. No idea why. After lots of kind help from Cougar on here, reinstalling Windows each time was the only way to bring it back (have you ever tried doing anything with no keyboard or mouse??!). I'm now backing it up frantically in the expectation that if the update happens (it's even trying now to force it while the pc is on), the pc will probably be unusable.
I have almost no pc knowledge so you need to talk to be slowly and simply on this....!
set the Windows Update service to manual?
add entry to hosts file to point the windows update URL somewhere that doesn't exist (e.g. 1.1.1.1 )?
buy a new keyboard/mouse (unless it's your USB ports that are getting hosed)?
Leaving the pc on all the time is clearly not sensible
Just leave it on. It'll do it no harm.
I think that's what Microsoft did when they took it over each time, but it just keeps coming back.
No idea what the second point means, sorry,
No, it's the built in keyboard (sorry should have said it's a laptop). Plug in keyboards and mice also don't work when it's dead
I may have to accept it's dead, a shame as part of trying to fix it first time round I put a really nice fast solid state hard drive in.
<p>What is it? That would help immensely.</p>
As above set updates to manual in services.
It's what I do once I'm on site with our laptops so there is no chance of pop ups and restarts in the middle of a show.
I got sick of the constant updates and wasted lots of time trying to find a way to stop it, seems you can't, but I think I have managed to fix it for me.
I have a small lapbook which had 30gb space left when I bought it, every update ate into that (10gb & 60min updates sometimes) and by the time it got under 20gb, I decided to use my films on my 128gb usb stick and fill up the hard drive on my lapbook, and I now only leave around 600mb free, seems to have worked so far!
What pee'd me of the most, was the updates just taking over my lapbook no matter what I was doing, missed ebay bids a few times.
Sorry chaps was on the phone - it's a Toshiba Satellite. Nice pc, just doesn't like Windows.
I did find while trying to fix it when it went before that the keyboard and mouse drivers dated back to 2002 (I think); I've since found something buried on Toshiba's website that apparently brings these and other drivers up to date for Windows 10, which I've now installed. No idea if that'll make any difference, I'm not holding my breath.
Lightman - I like that! Worth trying to juggle space that way. It does annoy me how you're forced to accept their updates.
PC is now insisting on shutting down to update unless I click "later" which I have been doing, but feel that (unless I fill it up!) it's probably inevitable.
What pee’d me of the most, was the updates just taking over my lapbook no matter what I was doing, missed ebay bids a few times.
The regular updates are once a month. You can specify when it updates and reboots so it doesn't occur during your working hours.
It does annoy me how you’re forced to accept their updates.
It's in your interests - otherwise people would be being hacked all over the place, even more than they already are. It's just a shame that, due to the sheer amount of different hardware combinations out there over the last decade, some stuff just clashes. TBH it's amazing it works as well as it does for most people.
the keyboard and mouse drivers dated back to 2002
You have 16 year old hardware and are surprised that software updates are difficult?
It’s in your interests – otherwise people would be being hacked all over the place, even more than they already are.
Dunno, since the last update (or two, it's decided two mornings this week to spend 2 hours installing updates) neither windows security or kaspersky seem to work on my laptop
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Looks like it'll be a dead pc tonight then, maybe time for a new one, only had this one 5 years I think. I'm really sick of forcing a Windows reload on it every few months. Any recommendations for something that A) Doesn't start a catfight with Windows, and B) Lasts well and doesn't cost a fortune? Or is that moon on a stick?
Hols2 - I wasn't exactly given a choice, and didn't check the age of all the drivers in the shop......It was all Toshiba had. I suspect (bit don't know) a lot of the popular brands run on ancient drivers and stuff. Not much we can do about it, really.
The standard answer to "how do I stop Windows updates?" is "don't," though I appreciate this is a special case. Windows updates are delivered on the second Tuesday of the month, so the folk bemoaning that they're "always" having to update are either having issues of their own devising because they keep trying to scupper it, or are exaggerating.
In your case, if you've updated the drivers as you say I might be tempted to give it a try anyway. Maybe look for chipset drivers first too (there's an automatic tool on Intel's site).
what couger said, but if you must disable them
run gpedit.msc
Browse to
administrative templates
windows components
windows update
select the "configure windows updates" policy and set to disabled.
Thanks MSP and the rest of you.
Situation resolved itself unexpectedly, I'd left it on in the other room and it slipped in the update itself while I was in here. When I saw it busy updating, there was Olympic swearing at it for ten minutes, considered hurling it at the wall to finally kill it but thankfully didn't, then off to look for a replacement laptop on the ipad while wondering how to dispose of it. When it booted up I gave it a despondent prod and to my astonishment keyboard - and mouse - still work. Can't believe it but very happy. I'd been holding that update off for weeks and weeks as well. Either Microsoft have got better at writing updates (unlikely) or the Toshiba driver update I found actually does work with Windows 10 (possible).
But thanks for the suggestions, I'm still tempted to kill further updates as above and take the risk as I'm so deeply wary of it happening again.
Smug answer I know, but if you don't need Windows specifically try a Linux live distro (it runs off a CD/DVD or USB stick and changes nothing until you choose to install it). Linux Mint 18.3 Cinnamon is my choice (v19 is available but I'll wait until 19.1 and beyond are published)
If it doesn't work then nothing has been lost or changed. Shutdown and remove the source.
If it works on your hardware (lots of machines are fine) then install it and you'll have updates that you choose to install as and when you want
EDIT typing as you posted
Either Microsoft have got better at writing updates
Perfectly possible that someone's reported the bug and it's been fixed.
But thanks for the suggestions, I’m still tempted to kill further updates as above and take the risk as I’m so deeply wary of it happening again.
You know how to use system restore points, right?
System restore points......Ummmmm......no......I am a novice at all this
A system restore point is what it sounds like, the state of your PC preserved at the time it's taken. If it goes to pot then you can press F8 or whatever it is, select repair mode, and roll back to a restore point i.e. before the update was applied. You can then (if you want to) check for updates manually, install them one at a time and see which one buggers it up. Then you can blacklist that particular update, I think. Ask Cougar 🙂
Taking a system restore point is easy though - Google for how to do it, I'm sure you'll get plenty of hits. But your system would have to have the system restore partition, which it probably has unless you've removed it.
Ah brilliant - I never knew. That's a really useful thing.
Thanks molgrips! Learn something everyday
I use [url= https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/3183922/how-to-temporarily-prevent-a-windows-update-from-reinstalling-in-windo ]this Microsoft tool[/url] to hide troublesome updates.
[i]select the “configure windows updates” policy and set to disabled.[/i]
You can't do this wth Windows 10 - it reenables the updates and supplies things like "Feature updates" which are not considered the usual KB updates by MS. Basically they force them on you.
I had a similar issue to the OP whereby every time my pc updated it screwed up the graphics driver and I had to reinstall and set the display up again EVERY TIME!
So, I did the only thing you can do and that is to remove the Windows update service. This is quite a hack, but it worked and my pc was stable for about a year.
Then, the bastards got through again, there was some major update in April which my PC automatically downloaded and I just kept getting the prompt to update/reboot.
So I did and it's been ok since. I re-enabled the service. It's stopped screwing the graphics up so I guess they have got better. Slowed the system down a bit though.
Good to know it's not just me and my pc, DezB. Makes me feel a lot better (in a nice way!)
I hate you ononeorange. You have no idea how much.
Started my PC up after posting on this thread. The very first time I've started it up and the GRAPHICS ARE SCREWED AGAIN!!! I dispair.
The updates are important for security reasons, ever more so these days, and it's not specifically a Windows thing (the frequency of package updates on Linux way exceeds that on Windows).
The problems occur often with things people have or install that don't play nicely with Windows or especially aren't updated for Windows 10. Especially hardware that isn't compliant and the manufacturer hasn't provided Windows 10 drivers but an "old" driver seems to work. Often updates will restore the Microsoft approved drivers which may be basic generic drivers that don't support the hardware properly.
A clean system that's hardware designed for Windows 10 (maybe Win 7 or 8) throughout typically has no problems. More so when you don't install random junk on it (and that includes some third party "anti-virus" software).
Mouse/keyboard issues is a hardware driver or firmware issue (checked manufacturer for firmware updates?).
Graphics issues likewise and they can be more frustrating with older laptops and tablets where the manufacturer doesn't provide reliable drivers or firmware updates or doesn't provide certified ones to Microsoft so Windows updates will override the manufacturer ones with basic drivers.
The worst systems I've used for stability with updates are ones that have been "built", cobbled together by users and IT departments from random kit.
And the slow down after updates - blame those hackers again. Or at least blame Intel etc for a whopping big hole in the CPU architecture. Spectre and Meltdown fixes in updates result in disabling the vulnerabilities but at the cost of a significant slow down in some cases.
I know all that, but it still pisses me off that something not connected to a vulnerability is effected every time one of their damn updates installs. Why should I have to got through the hassle of fixing what was a correctly functioning system, just because they've needed to update their security crap again... and again... and again.
I know all that, but it still pisses me off that something not connected to a vulnerability is effected every time one of their damn updates installs. Why should I have to got through the hassle of fixing what was a correctly functioning system, just because they’ve needed to update their security crap again… and again… and again.
Just to ask, how are you reporting the problems you are having? To the graphics card maker or to MS?
I had to LOL at the suggestion to install a Linux distro to fix a hardware compatibility or driver issue...
As with my previous post, if you can identify a specific update that's causing your issues, you should be able to 'hide' it from the system using this tool https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/3183922/how-to-temporarily-prevent-a-windows-update-from-reinstalling-in-windo
I had to LOL at the suggestion to install a Linux distro to fix a hardware compatibility or driver issue…
Chances are there is no driver on Linux for it and ask on a Linux forum about it, you get a snotty answer telling you to write the damn driver yourself, and make it open source while you're at it so all the freetards can benefit from your efforts for no reward.
p.s. I get an issue with updates on my old Dell tablet where it cripples the camera. The cause is Dell, not Microsoft. Dell won't update their driver (or firmware) to be Windows 10 compliant (Microsoft don't write these things, the manufacturers do). If they did and submitted it to MS, then it would be fine in the updates. The tablet is too old though and unsupported. Not that I use the camera anyway, but frustrating that a feature on it doesn't work.
Why should I have to got through the hassle of fixing what was a correctly functioning system, just because they’ve needed to update their security crap again… and again… and again.
Because that's how security works.
It's easy to scapegoat MS but the simple fact is that any system may have vulnerabilities which don't immediately come to light, whether that's Windows, your mobile phone, a smart light bulb or a padlock. Armies of people dedicate a vast amount of time to discovering new vulnerabilities and developing exploits, and manufacturers have to continually react to this (or, y'know, ignore it, which is a far worse scenario). It's an ongoing concern and always will be.
The reason Windows bears the brunt of this is little to do with any inherent insecurity, but rather simply one of numbers. If you're going to try and attack something then you go for a) what's most prevalent and b) what's most likely to give you the biggest reward. And in the desktop world that's Windows with something like 80% of the market share (and probably approaching 100% of non-technical users, which is the biggest vulnerability of all). OSX is about 15% and Linux is statistically insignificant.
The problem is one of proliferation. There's thousands of different devices (by which I mean hardware components of which your laptop contains dozens) in the world, and this results in innumerable combinations all of which could cause problems with each other.
MS try to support as many as they can, or enable the manufacturers themselves to do it, this leads to cheaper stuff and wider proliferation of the platform
Apple solve the problem by eliminating most of the combinations, you can only use their stuff, which is expensive.
Linux relies on some developer somewhere creating support for whatever they want support for, so you've just got to hope it exists.
Three platforms, three approaches. Take your pick.
OP,
This might or might not be related to you as I am on Windows 7.
As far as graphic driver update is concerned I think it is better not to let Windows Update do that for you (hide that update if you wish). If I am not mistaken once Windows do the update for your graphic driver, you will not be able to update your graphic driver via driver website (unless uninstall and reinstall the driver again).
This happens to my cheapo graphic card, once I let Windows do the update for me I no longer see the nice pop-up notice from the graphic card telling me to install new driver. I don't mind using Windows Update for that as it is a cheap graphic card.
I will hide the graphic card driver update in my next build with Windows 10.
If I am not mistaken once Windows do the update for your graphic driver, you will not be able to update your graphic driver via driver website
You are. That was probably true in Windows 98 days.
once I let Windows do the update for me I no longer see the nice pop-up notice from the graphic card telling me to install new driver.
Of course - that would be part of the OEM driver. The MS-supplied driver would be updated (probably less frequently) by Windows Update instead. Doesn't mean you can't install the manufacturer-supplied one instead.
I will hide the graphic card driver update in my next build with Windows 10.
In theory at least, Windows should only replace the OEM driver with its own if the one in the update catalogue is newer (assuming both are deemed compatible with the OS).
You'd probably be best advised not to cock about with it unless you had a specific reason to, you stand to cause more problems than you'd avoid.
In theory at least, Windows should only replace the OEM driver with its own if the one in the update catalogue is newer (assuming both are deemed compatible with the OS).
I will take note of that in my next build (all components are here just need to build up) as I know Windows tend to take over all update even when the driver site has new ones, but eventually would update to the latest.
For my current system both sites have to stop the update because of my driver is either too cheap or old (nearly 10 yrs old).
You’d probably be best advised not to cock about with it unless you had a specific reason to, you stand to cause more problems than you’d avoid.
As long as Windows do not mess with the features that come along with the graphic card I am fine. My newer card is a passive Nvidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti KalmX (building a quiet system).
I will take note of that in my next build (all components are here just need to build up)
Plug it all together, install Win 10, make a cup of tea and let it do it's thing. that is about all that will be required unless your speccing very obscure old parts
Plug it all together, install Win 10, make a cup of tea and let it do it’s thing. that is about all that will be required unless your speccing very obscure old parts
No old parts as I got all the latest component parts for this new build apart from not having M.2 which is very expensive at the moment. This will last me for another 10 yrs.
Mobo is MSI Z370 Gaming Pro AC ATX format ... 😀
Currently my 10 yr old system is making me deaf in one ear due to fan noise or water pump noise otherwise it is fine. Can't be arsed to rebuild it as it is a lot of hassle but may do it later if I have time. Because the system is old it took me nearly several months to even install IE11 as it would not install ... LOL!
Weird thing is, it doesnt actually uninstall, or change the graphics driver, just screws the resolution and doesnt change it when you set different resolutions. Anyway, this time, I found an updated driver, so maybe... hopefullly....
Haven’t reported it cos, well, 1000s of other people have!
"I had to LOL at the suggestion to install a Linux distro to fix a hardware compatibility or driver issue…"
I understand the sentiment, but the suggestion was to try a live disc, which might just work whereas W10 clearly doesn't in this case. The live disc costs little, won't change anything and I'd guess that a quick trial will be a small proportion of the time wasted so far...