[Closed] Windows 10 - Day 0 installation.

[quote=rumbledethumps ]Bruneep have you got enough space on your c:drive? It might be that.
I'm loving the streaming Xbox one games to the PC. I've finally got my telly back in the living room from my lad :)... Its marvellous!

after a bit of searching it seems to be the lack of space on the 100mb section I've tried to increase this but I've failed at my attempts

Anyone care to offer a solution

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My laptop doesn't want to upgrade. It fails the first time it tries to reboot - I just get left with the blue windows logo in the middle of the screen. Have to turn laptop off and when it reboots it recovers 8.1

Oh well, it's only a computer.

bruneep - Member
rumbledethumps » Bruneep have you got enough space on your c:drive? It might be that.
I'm loving the streaming Xbox one games to the PC. I've finally got my telly back in the living room from my lad :)... Its marvellous!
after a bit of searching it seems to be the lack of space on the 100mb section I've tried to increase this but I've failed at my attempts

Anyone care to offer a solution

Tried to but it seems to be failing my IT skills

bruneep seriously try the stuff on the reddit link.

I had your exact problem. It solved it.

The 100mb partition won't resize - you need to shrink the amount of crud filling that 100mb partition.

Why keep that partition at all? Flatten the lot and let the installer worry about it.

[quote=Cougar ]Why keep that partition at all? Flatten the lot and let the installer worry about it.

how to then?

Does it not give you the option? The W7 installer does when it asks you where to install; you click Advanced IIRC and it takes you to a disk management menu.

As far as I recall the Win 10 installer (as an update) doesn't give options, it is a fully automated upgrade install.

I think you need to download and burn the ISO then install from that if you want install options - Win 8.1 did this too, which is why you need to go through the steps in the reddit link (there must be other ways of doing it too, it's just that I had this problem, found that via Google, tried it and it works).

Sorry, I was assuming that's what they were doing.

Now got it to 62Mb free space folowing the redit guide, that had some issues that were cleared up further down the posts.

atempting downloading again 🙄

I think that's where the bootloader lives?

Is it possible to install older browsers? Ie10?

Ie11 is installed as well as edge

Now running on my work laptop (Aspire S3/i5/6gb/SSD) and seems 100% fine, and noticeably wizzy.

Also running on old work desktop (Dell Pentium E/1.8/2gb) and again seems fine, and really wizzy.... 😯

to get a "proper" download of W10 to use via USB stick and fresh installation, (which I think is what cougar's thinking, try here:
[url= http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 ]http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10[/url]
and here:
[url= http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-10/media-creation-tool-install ]http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-10/media-creation-tool-install[/url]

anyone know how you get rid of the ever changing wallpaper when you awake from hibernate and before you login
it has some creepy message about "do you like this image click here..."

i discovered that windows defender sends details back to microsoft, go into the settings to turn it off (it may have done this in win8.1 to be fair)

So I found my first problem last night. Photoshop Elements 6 won't run. Comes up with some error about 'Internet Explorer 5 or later must be installed'. I assume it's because PSE6 doesn't recognise Edge.

I tried to install IE11 from the M$ website but didn't succeed. Website seems to not recognise Windows 10 as a valid OS to install on.

Ie11 come with w10 and can be used instead of edge.

I've got it running in a vm on a 2011 mbp. I'm using ie11 for siebel stuff

Go to find type Internet explorer and pin to start.

I'm using the full version not the upgrade

Photoshop Elements 6 won't run

Far as I can see, Elements 6 came out in 2007, and 14 is due next month. Whilst I'm no fan of spending money on upgrades for the sake of it, it's perhaps time to consider upgrading.

Far as I can see, Elements 6 came out in 2007, and 14 is due next month. Whilst I'm no fan of spending money on upgrades for the sake of it, it's perhaps time to consider upgrading.

Fair comment currently downloading the trial version of 13 and maybe hang on for 14 next month.

I assume it's because PSE6 doesn't recognise Edge.

W10 has IE installed - just search on 'Internet Explorer' from the start menu.

W10 has IE installed - just search on 'Internet Explorer' from the start menu.

In which case I reckon chances of getting PSE6 running on W10 are slim to none (I tried various compatibility modes last night but no joy).

Maybe splash the cash on a newer version of PSE. PSE6 has done me well and came free with the PC I am still running!

Is anyone running theirs with no additional AV?

As I understand it, w10 comes with the next iteration of MSE and should not need it (unless you undertake risky Internet activites such as dwarf goat pron and dodgy torrents etc)

Yes, and yes.

+1

Haven't used AV other than MSE for several years now.

++1

Good stuff, thanks for confirming. Will leave it as is then

http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/2015/08/directx-12-tested-an-early-win-for-amd-and-disappointment-for-nvidia/

DX12 lookin good for AMD users!

[quote=Freester ]Far as I can see, Elements 6 came out in 2007, and 14 is due next month. Whilst I'm no fan of spending money on upgrades for the sake of it, it's perhaps time to consider upgrading.
Fair comment currently downloading the trial version of 13 and maybe hang on for 14 next month.

You should be eligable for a free upgrade to 14 if you bought 13 within a month of 14 being released. Predicted release date for 14 is 22nd sept, so buying 13 some time after 22nd oct should be ok.

[url= https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/upgrade-policy-product-announcement.html ]https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/upgrade-policy-product-announcement.html[/url]

(note the number of [i]shoulds[/i] in that post!)

edit: although adobe have 13 [url= http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/photoshop-elements.html ]on sale[/url] till 24th August, so being a big corporate baddy they'll probably release 14 on 25th September to avoid all the people who bought it cheap being able to upgrade for free!

Can I just double check for those who've been through this:

If you do the update, that generates a W10 product key (which you can extract from the installation in some way?)
Once you've done the update you can download the full install iso?

I have a new (to me) W7 laptop here, which I'm planning on doing a complete re-install on. Was just wondering whether it was worth preparing a potential upgrade to W10 in the future - possibly after the date when you can get it for free. So I presumably want an install iso and a product key - if I do this now before re-installing (I have the icon sitting there) I can then re-install to W7 as planned and put the W10 installation media aside for another day. Can somebody give me a quick walk through of what I should do?

(the old laptop this replaced also has a valid W7 pro licence - also wondering if I can use that to install W7 on the new machine and generate myself another W10 product key)

You're right except, there's no key, you register a hardware identifier with the activation servers. It's per-machine.

Ah, thanks, so it's only the machine which I do the update on which is registered, and I won't gain anything by using a different product key on the same machine? So once I've done the update I can then do a clean install of W10 on that machine at any point in the future and it will activate OK.

I'd wonder whether that trick would only work for the next year, but then presumably that would prevent people who had upgraded from re-installing if they needed to. I suspect I might just do a clean W10 install and Clonezilla it just to be on the safe side.

I've seen a few people have done this with VMs - presumably there's some hardware identifier for the VM which gets stored with the activation servers? Has anybody tried then running multiple instances of the same VM (currently we do this with W7 using linked clones) - does it "phone home" and get upset when it finds multiple instances with the same ID? I suppose I might as well see if I can put my spare W7 product key to use that way.

I've done exactly what you are asking, I upgraded my old laptop from 7 to 10, then re-installed using the win 10 iso created using the media creation tool.

After the upgrade I extracted the windows 10 registration code using a bit of VB script and wrote it down ready in case the re-install required it.

I booted using the ISO, flattened the drive and proceeded with the re-install, when prompted I entered the code and it came back as not recognized which is odd. However there's a skip button at this stage, so I clicked it and the install carried on fine. Once installed windows comes up as activated under properties so all is good and its much quicker than the upgraded version

oooh, good answer - I'm planning to do exactly that, dvatcmark

One other thing - when I download an iso, do I go for English or English International?

My problem seems to be if anyone else is logged in it tells me my password is incorrect till I log the other person out ..

I love it so far. A really great OS. Running well on my netbook, laptop and big desktop.

The only issue I seem to have on the desktop is that the dedicated physx card has the dreaded yellow exclamation mark in device manager and doesn't appear in the Nvidia control panel. I don't seem to be the only one and am sure it'll be fixed soon.

My favourite feature so far is the one where when aero snapping one window, you get choice of other windows to put on the other half of the screen.

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Thanks to all who have posted tips above. I've found almost everything and all the connected things are now working. Just the hibernate/sleep thing isn't working. After a couple of hours it comes back to life on its own but without the screen or keyboard. Unplugging and plugging in is the only answer. Also the boot seems to take an eternity compared With 8.1.

Does anyone have Office Professional 2013 working on Windows 10? They only list Windows 7 and 8 / 8.1 as compatible...

I've got office 2007 pro running - and I'd expect that to be less compatible

tron - Member

Does anyone have Office Professional 2013 working on Windows 10? They only list Windows 7 and 8 / 8.1 as compatible...

Yep its working fine on the machine I'm on right now.
Have 3 other machines now running W10 in the house, Office Pro 2007 x 2 and Office Pro 2010 x 1 all seem fine.

This laptop was previously W7 & the last of our PC's I updated & if anything all Office Pro 2013 applications open faster and are rock solid.

I just uninstalled 2010 (working fine) and installed 2013 Pro Plus. As with MrOvershoot, 2013 seems a bit faster.

That'll be the extra caffeine.

🙂

Played with some tablet/convertible things in pc world the other day, by 'eck they are good value. Impressively smooth and responsive. Also saw a similarly decent tablet for a remarkable £100 with W10.

My Surface Pro 3 upgraded no probs, gaming PC and other Windows laptop waiting for ages "we are validating your install..." turns out Windows 10 needs a hidden boot partition size of at least 350mb and whats the default in Windows 7 100mb...

So even if you forced an install using the Windows media creation tool all that would happen would be a wait while it does a 2.5gig download then fails on the boot partition issue. Quick resize with Partition Magic and upgrades complete.

Well I'm stymied. No GMA500 drivers for my Vaio P and the upgrade wizard won't let me proceed. Anyone managed to force it? Apparently the W7 drivers can be made to work, but I'm not being given the chance.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/microsoft-has-no-plans-to-tell-us-whats-in-windows-patches/

First bsod during a windows 10 upgrade. It turns out it doesn't like eSet antivirus unless you upgrade it to a post Win10 version first, otherwise you have to mess around a bit to get it going.

Will a complete technodummy be able to install w10 without hassle? What happens with internet bookmarks, outlook account settings, etc? Anything in there change and need attention?

Tried out Windows 10 on a spare Dell Vostro 3550 laptop, upgrade went ok and managed to boot into the desktop, after a few minutes the screen went black and can't do anything at the moment. Looks like a BIOS update is needed after googling for this.

Will a complete technodummy be able to install w10 without hassle?

However... if you do have an issue then it gets painful so it may not be worth doing unless you have a friendly IT bod you can call on if it goes wrong

First bsod during a windows 10 upgrade. It turns out it doesn't like eSet antivirus unless you upgrade it to a post Win10 version first, otherwise you have to mess around a bit to get it going.

My Eset is spitting out regular error messages about one particular aspect

why does windows 10 keep changing keyboard setting from ENG UK to ENG US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
argggggggggggg

@leffeboy

'Cannot connect to HIPS module' or words to that effect, and HIPS is disabled.

leffeboy - Member
Will a complete technodummy be able to install w10 without hassle?
So far any machine I've had with Windows 8 has gone straight to 10 without any difficulties (apart from the eSet one I posted). It takes a couple of hours and there is no fiddling after
However... if you do have an issue then it gets painful so it may not be worth doing unless you have a friendly IT bod you can call on if it goes wrong

Thanks, it's the fear of something going awry that is stopping e (the story of a black screen above). I can't afford to be without the computer due to the need to send out work related emails regularly. I think I'll remain in the dark ages for as long as I can.

I took the plunge and upgraded yesterday. Took a while, but it's all done and dusted now. Seems to be pretty much what Windows 8 should have been.

That aside, I do have one mildly annoying problem after upgrading. My laptop works fine when it's plugged in, but if I unplug then about 5 seconds later it freezes. Similar if I start it up when unplugged, it'll get to the logon screen but won't let me select/type anything. I was originally thinking it was some kind of power management issue but I've tried all the available options for "when unplugged" to no avail, so I'm out of ideas.

Any clues from the more technologically minded?

Installed on launch onto Dell desktop from 7, all good, apart from when I switch on it stalls on boot up. Hold power button to switch it off, and then power on, it is always fine on 2nd go? Any ideas?

@cat69uk - that sounds like it could be caused by fast boot (which is actually hibernate in disguise) - If you can do a restart without problems; but a shutdown / power on fails then I'd give this a try:

[url= http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/4189-fast-startup-turn-off-windows-10-a.html ]how to turn off fast boot[/url]

Thanks @stevehine, it worked perfectly! That has been bugging me for weeks, good old Singletrack forum 🙂

Aye; this place is a fountain of knowledge 🙂

I was originally thinking it was some kind of power management issue

You might find there's some form of ACPI / power management driver for it. Check with the PC / motherboard / chipset manufacturers. BIOS update might not hurt either.

@matt_outandabout

'Cannot connect to HIPS module' or words to that effect, and HIPS is disabled.

http://anandtech.com/show/9543/the-windows-10-review

It might only be the real nerds that are muttering it right now, but it looks like data is being mined/leaked from W10 machines despite all the privacy settings being on.

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/08/26/225239/how-to-keep-microsofts-nose-out-of-your-personal-data-in-windows-10 [comments]

Gofaster - it's been the same since win7. I'm no tin-foil-hat wearer but at the same time don't particularly being monitored either.

However, this data is valuable enough to MS for Win10 to be free. A not dissimilar model to adds keeping 'free' websites going. I think it's a fair swap.

I'm not that bothered about what is being recorded - I don't do anything of much interest 😀

I hadn't heard much about data being extracted in W7 until this though, assuming you kill all the options that allow it. Looking at the comments, it seems to be something that was introduced after the main release for W7. Must have slipped under my radar.

It's the way this stuff happens when you are setting the options to 'no' that bothers me, it's a fundamental dishonesty I find concerning. Yeah, OK W10 is free, but at the same time it is also an attempt to fix the fragmentation of the market that happened with the W8 interface, with [AFAIK] the aim of keeping MS in the game. That is, or was, the main way to derive a profit I thought, by not losing the market they had!

installed and uninstalled after 2 days.

Found the pointer to be slow juddery, when typing into the search bat using chrome often the first letter would not appear and drop down menus in search bars did not work.

I have plenty of pirated stuff, games, MS Office, some films / TV but nothing that'll be of real interest to anyone.

You're right that it seems kind of dishonest that you can chose 'no' and still have data submitted.

I wonder how identifying the data is.

From what I've read and understood, the market is changing so much that the old model isn't working. With OSX and iOS gaining so much market share, giving away the OS, perhaps charging smaller amounts for upgrades / updates (as in the OSX model) but keeping people using MS, Office etc, is the object.

With Apple gaining such a foothold in education, if MS don't do something quickly, there'll be a generation growing up to whom Windows is alien. If that happens, MS will become simply a software producing (not OS) company.

With Apple gaining such a foothold in education, if MS don't do something quickly, there'll be a generation growing up to whom Windows is alien. If that happens, MS will become simply a software producing (not OS) company.

I'm head of IT for an Education trust and this is not my experience

I do IT support in schools and it's not mine either. I was in this week helping to set up a load of iPads, and I'm aware of them going into several other local schools, but we're also updating the Windows support in those schools and there is a huge amount of stuff which will still be done on Windows (we still have to support software from last century, W10 isn't coming any time soon apart from for testing purposes!)

[quote=makecoldplayhistory] With Apple gaining such a foothold in education, if MS don't do something quickly, there'll be a generation growing up to whom Windows is alien. If that happens, MS will become simply a software producing (not OS) company.Apple have been "gaining a foothold in Education" for at least the last 15 years. 🙄

Aracer - if you're supporting stuff from the last century, surelynat some point the support will fade out? Machines break or software becomes obsolete. Are the teachers supplied with computers? Windows or Macs? If windows, Surely at the next major computer purchase, with all the iOS devices beingn used in schools, it would make sense to get Macs.

How were those iPads set up? Using a Mac, I'd wager. My school (fee paying, admittedly) is Mac throughout. MBPs for teachers, BYO Macs for children in year 3 and up and in a 3 form entry school (class size >20) there are 40 iPads for each 2 years.

Surely at the next major computer purchase, with all the iOS devices beingn used in schools, it would make sense to get Macs.

Because education budgets are so huge at the moment, they can afford to spend more than needed on Macs.

Anyway, Macs in schools was debated in one of the many recent PC vs Mac threads.

I think that Apple really only has a presence of real significance in the tablet and smartphone markets (and it is only recently that Apple market share has been equivalent to Android - and that's only in UK, not globally). Apple lags behind Windows heavily in the desktop/laptop markets so I don't think jumping fully on board the Apple bandwagon would be serving schoolkids terribly well for what they're likely to encounter in the real world.

[quote=makecoldplayhistory ]Aracer - if you're supporting stuff from the last century, surelynat some point the support will fade out? Machines break or software becomes obsolete.

Well it's clearly not become obsolete yet, and despite the best efforts of the government, most of the stuff the kids get taught is still the same as it was 15 years ago, and will still be the same in 15 years time - I suppose at some point the SW will look extremely dated, but it's nowhere near there yet. As for machines breaking, well we're currently using 6+ year old hardware (that's what we've just installed!) and given our system will work with any current hardware that's unlikely to be a problem for a while. At some point I'll check compatibility with W10, but I'd be surprised if there was a problem, though given the upgrade we've just rolled out was from XP to W7, we're not rushing into that!

Are the teachers supplied with computers? Windows or Macs? If windows, Surely at the next major computer purchase, with all the iOS devices beingn used in schools, it would make sense to get Macs.

Windows laptops. I can't see how having iPads makes any difference at all to what computers the teachers are using - and given the kids aren't going to be using iOS (we're not going to be asking kids to supply their own, and we don't even have the budget to provide the number of seats at Windows machines we have if doing things the conventional way) then adding another system to support would just make life harder. We now have 1 (I think - maybe 2?) MBP which was used to set up the iPads, so I get to learn something new, though that's not going to need to have any of the normal teaching stuff installed as it nominally belongs to the head.

Anyway, back to W10 (which I will be trying out on the school system when I get our "new" W7 install to the point it doesn't need regular support) - I asked earlier, when I download an iso should I get English or International English?

Hi Chris, I upgraded by ISO and just did English (not international English).

I like! Laptop and desktop done today. Amazed an old Q9550 quad core works so well. I think it likes the SD HD recently installed. Everything seems a little faster, it's a lot like owning a new bike syndrome.

I managed to get a cheap but really rather fast mSata SSD into my old and slow Vaio P series. It's pretty much the smallest laptop ever made. Just to give you an idea of how slow I looked up the cpu benchmarks vs the £100 W10 Linx tablet you can get in Sainsbury's. That's just about the cheapest thing you can get and it scored about 2,500 on the benchmark I found; my Atom Z520 got 700.

Anyway I got W10 going on it with W7 drivers in compatibility mode since the GMA500 graphics card has no official W10 drivers and it's surprisingly usable. The thing was never quick but this is better than W7. The biggest chore with the old setup was the complexity of modern websites like FB - the new browser seem to help with that. Can jut about watch Amazon Prime videos on it full screen if you're not fussy, although for some reason Netflix gives an error message in the new browser. Anyone else seen that?

Also - no Netflix app..? Early days?