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Running like a sweetie now I have updated legacy drivers on my 10 year old x86 Inspiron 9300 (whopping 2gb RAM).
What I must stress though is that the 8.1 install was completely fresh and only about 3 weeks old with barely anything installed. I'm guessing how well it runs will depend on how much shite you've filled your computer with over the years. It definitely runs better than 8.1 though, it just feels faster and gets far less upset if you try to do more than one thing at a time.
When I come to do my desktop I will be obtaining my product key then doing a fresh install, it's about time it got one anyway.
It's far, far better than we feared in work though (IT support co.) we've advised, ordered and begged our clients not to update yet as we expected all manner of horror stories - but we're going to tell them they can crack on if they like with some advise about pitfalls.
The one bug that's doing my head in is that it doesn't like the security policy for my work email Exchange server (which worked fine on 8.1) - works for a bit then decides it's not happy and won't allow access. Still, it's not my main computer...
IE is still a part of Win10, it's just 'hidden' - Win10 seems to have made that slow and crappy too.
I don't think that is a Win10 feature, IE has always been slow and crappy!
I updated my main laptop in an hour or so without a single hitch and have used it a lot since for work. tried to do an older laptop and had to mess around with a partition but once I fixed that it finished in about 90 minutes.
All good here and I like the interface and everything so far is working very well. I am quite impressed really!
Only issues is slow to shutdown. Both laptops have SSD so boot up time just as good.
After the pretty much unqualified success of upgrading my surface pro 3, I thought I'd upgrade my 9 year old desktop, this started life as a windows xp machine, was upgraded to vista, then upgraded to windows 7, So was a bit apprehensive about upgrading to Windows 10, but it seems to have gone absolutely fine ,at first glance anyway. Time will tell for certain.
Well taken nearly 2 days to get to 84% download... Stupid slow Australian connection.
I might have it installed by next Thursday.
Started it this morning and after about 3 hours got to 40% and it just stopped, window has disappeared and I can't make it restart from windows update as it doesn't show up when I check for updates. Guess I'm not going to 10 then
Download the ISO. There's a link earlier in the thread.
Oh, and run a chkdsk before you start. sfc /scannow from an elevated command prompt won't hurt either.
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Probably worth repeating this from my post on the Android thread.
the default privacy settings in W10 are a bit terrifying. Worth hitting 'Advanced' when you get to this point of the install. (WHAT HAPPENS NEXT WILL SHOCK YOU!!1!)
Thanks, running the scan now.
To be totally honest this is a right ball ache, tried forcing it using the media creation tool a couple of times as well as checking for updates, then randomly got a prompt last night, didn't start it as I wanted to do a backup. That finished over night so I started the download, then it just stopped at 40%. If I can't get it to restart at 40% it won't finish in time for me to sort it before I go away tomorrow so there isn't much point. I'll try the media tool one more time after the scan has finished (only 20% of the verification phase so far) but if that doesn't work it'll have to wait till I'm back
Thanks
Matt
Just "upgraded"
Anyone else got no sound?
Handy video on Youtube explaining how to fix the problem. Only you can't, er, hear it.
Left my laptop running the upgrade overnight. In the morning it showed "update failure, recovery step 5 of 5". Eventually went back to Win7 where it is staying!
I've got another laptop with a out of date evaluation of Win 8, so I'll upgrade that. The computers I actually use though, can't see the point. Can do all I want to do on the old o/s and default browser is Chrome as I use my Google account for saved passwords, favourites etc.
nearly three times as long on charge for surface pro 3 on 8.1 than windows 10 - something is amiss here.
Just "upgraded"Anyone else got no sound?
For the benefit of anyone else who encounters this problem - a few extra restarts does the trick.
So has anyone tried it on a Parallels VM? I would be going from W7 - so if anyone has tried that upgrade in particular with Parallels I'm interested to hear how it went.
I had lots of trouble installing the latest windows 10 nvidia drivers. Kept getting a failure on the driver install section (physx etc went ok).
Solution I found that worked was to uninstall every nvidia program from my pc using windows installer. Then to browse to the Nvidia folder in my c: drive and delete it. Then re-download and install the drivers as admin. Worked perfectly.
Two updates for Win10 released last night, haven't installed them yet though - It interrupted me watching the MSA DH, priorities!
Seems I avoided a lot of the NVIDIA issues by blind luck - I took my PC to work to complete the migration (150meg at work v 4meg at home) but my work monitor doesn't have HDMI input and my GPU doesn't have VGA output so I removed the GPU and let it do its thing, once I got home I reinstalled the GPU, a quick visit to NVIDIA website for drivers and hey presto - looks better than ever.
here we go...
Had it a few days now. Generally like it. Edge browser has lots of issues...Ebay and my work remote email don't fully work on it.
I've found a few things that don't work in Edge, enough that have me convinced it's not fit for purpose in its present form. Broadly similar issues to that of IE8 (yes, I still use it, under duress) in terms of compatibility.
Solved my connectivity issues by switching from an ethernet connection to wifi and it's spot on now. IIRC I had some issues with the computer when switching connections before so it may well be more of a driver/ethernet card issue than w10.
I certainly prefer it to w8.1 as it's basically w7 with a few add ons St least in terms of user interface
done, no fuss and working fine.
My only bugbear having worked with MS products are the over friendly messages "we're working it" "we're setting things up" "this shouldn't take long". All inoffensive until things go wrong at which point you can't help reading the meaningless error messages with a Microsoft US accent invoking the rage.
How can you tell if your computer is downloading the windows 10 update?
Ive registered for it a while back and so far nothing has happened?
Not sure. Sick of waiting for mine to update so did that force update mentioned a couple of pages back. Think it updates the same as just waiting.
I cant find the info a few pages back ?
Can someone remind me how to force update please?
From a run command:
wuauclt /detectnow
Sit back and wait.
Can do it here as well(did mine this way)
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
Just pick 32 or 64bit and away you go.
Can someone quickly explain how office 365 works?
I'm about to order a new laptop. Office 365 is available at a discounted price, however in the description it says it's a 12 month subscription. Does that mean I have to keep paying to use it?
Some floppy disks in a huge box seems to be a thing of the past!
ive tried to force the update by using the info above and its still not working ??
Yes Office365 is a subscription. You may get a cheap starting price but you must keep paying to use it. If you don't the software doesn't let you do much.
Costs £5.99/month (personal - 1 computer), £7.99/month (up to 5 PCs/macs)
EDIT: here's the relevent MS web page. [url= https://products.office.com/en-gb/compare-microsoft-office-products ]https://products.office.com/en-gb/compare-microsoft-office-products[/url]
ive tried to force the update by using the info above and its still not working ??
Download the tool porlus linked to 2 up ^^ - run the update or download an ISO for later use. Personally I don't think it's worth rushing to update.
I cant find the info a few pages back ?Can someone remind me how to force update please?
Turn on automatic updatesDelete all the contents of "C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution\Download" (but not the folder)
run the wuauclt.exe /updatenow command from the command prompt in admin mode
Make a brew.
[url= http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-upgrade-not-showing-yet-heres-how-manually-trigger-update ]Click here[/url]
Signed up for the upgrade a few days ago. Got the notification today that I could download and install it. Its all working fine so far...
I managed to crash it on the second day by trying to remove a file from the new recent files list in Explorer that was on a drive I'd dismounted.
Apart from that it looks nice and 'Hey Cortana!' is fun. Edge seems ok so far, but then I always like a fresh browser before I manage to clog it up with shite
Well downloaded onto my Win 7 4 year old Dell and it seems to have worked well enough. It's retired from being a work machine so not too much stress, chrome working fine and and the adobe stuff I use seems to be ok.
Not bad, like the bastard child of 7 & 8
I was going to wait for a while but in the end I couldn't help but scratch that itch last night.
Installed it on my 7-8 year old Dell. I've messed about with it a bit over the years; extra RAM and put a SSD as the OS disk into it. Upgraded to 10 (from Win7) in about 30 mins no hassle. Initial look seems everything working OK. Lightroom is running a bit quicker which is nice.
Lightroom is running a bit quicker which is nice.
Probably more free RAM.
Has anyone tested garmin uploads and trainer road on it yet?
Most of the stuff I do on the home pc is browser based, but uploading from my garmins, using trainer road and also probably itunes (they must have itunes ready???) are the things I need to make sure work before I give it a go.
No but I did do a check for firmware on my 800 and that worked fine, downloading the garmin software and then running it (I didn't need a firmware update)
Has anyone tested garmin uploads and trainer road on it yet?
Yep done both of those things, no problems.
yep garmin stuff (fenix 3) is working fine for me.
After upgrading from 8.1 it worked for a few days and then the Ethernet connection wouldn't work. I've restored back to 8.1 until this is fixed. Quite a few people seem to have experienced it
I think I am sticking to my Window 7 until I get my next pooter but I am tempted to upgrade. hmmm ...
Upgraded - extracted the product key - and then installed fresh on a new SDD. Hence seems a bit snappier than 7.
I have the Cisco VPN software running OK. This page seems to sum up the issues - getting the DNE software to work properly and then altering the display name in the registry :
http://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/120150-fix-cisco-vpn-error-27850-on-windows-10
I actually took the advice from this page :
http://www.gleescape.com/posts/2917
which seems a bit superstitious in the number of required reboots, and also the bundled cicso VPN client used is not the latest 5.0.07.0440 version, which I pulled down from here :
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/community/files/app#/file/90b4f704-9b8b-4118-81e5-d4c4b949b3c3
Anyone running intel WIDI on W10? I installed W10 last week but went back to W7 as the WIDI didn't run and I couldn't find an upgrade that fixed it.
I had the opposite with WIDI on my laptop - Win 8.1 totally borked it, upgrade install of Win 10 and WIDI springs back into life!
Running on i5 CPU with Intel HD4000 iGPU, all drivers as chosen by Win 10 installation software. Has additional GPU options too - I can control refresh rate of TV via WIDI (which I couldn't under Win 8 ) so at full 1080p HD can go for flicker-free 24Hz or 25Hz (instead of the choppy as hell 30Hz that Miracast hobbles you with by default). 60Hz for all non-HD resolutions.
stimpy,
Which version of WIDI are you using. I'll download the same and re-install W10.
It's just whatever Win 10 installed all by itself - I haven't done anything to it. Sorry, I know that's precisely nil help!
My laptop is at home - will double check when I get home later and post up what details I can about the version.
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/windows-10s-privacy-policy-is-the-new-normal/
You guys all know about the privacy issues, right?
Given the frankly astonishing amount of data collected about all of us in our everyday lives by many more sources than the OS on my PC, I don't see that Win 10 is anything incredible or even out of the ordinary in terms of data collection. As the article points out, it's the new norm.
Faceache and Google between them collect an incredible amount of data without anyone ever thinking about it. And that's just two obvious targets.
It depends on whether you blankly click "allow" (or similar)/go with the default, or are the kind of user who actually bothers about their security and privacy settings.
But as the article also points out, if you want all the shiny, you've got to play by their terms.
Maybe just that people don't evaluate terribly well what they're giving away to get the shiny shiny.
If it's free you're the product.
Yes, this I know. But I thought it would be right to post the link so you can make your own mind up.
It's good to remind people of this kind of thing. I disabled various bits of Win 10 on install for privacy reasons, but I suspect many people didn't/won't.
Hey dallas95:
Intel HD 4000 - driver 10.18.10.4252
Centrino wireless N 2230 - driver 15.16.0.2
I just (now) ran the widi update tool downloaded [url= http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/highlights/wireless/wireless-display ]from here[/url] - it uninstalled the widi software from my Win 10 laptop, restarted it then 'detected' two new audio devices & installed drivers; Belkin miracast (screencast) shows as a device in device manager even when not connected.
After that 'uninstall' of the widi software I find widi runs better now (i.e. smoother and quicker) than straight after the upgrade install, although I notice that the ability to change scaling has disappeared (I previously had to change the scaling to prevent a little too much overscan on the TV).
I suspect (given that Win 8.1 got rid of the widi widget) that Win 10 handles widi with a 'baked in' set of controls. I can't find any widi software installed on my laptop anymore, even though widi runs perfectly well.
stimpy,
Thanks for the info'. I'll try the update from your link and see how it goes.
cheers,
I updated from 8.1 (which I quite liked) a couple of days ago, nothing to report here (touch wood), all pretty straightforward.
I installed windows 10 and i did not like it and i am using windows7 and its great.
Updated at the weekend and the 'sleep' function no longer seems to work, which means i have to turn the PC off at night.
A shame, but you should reboot every few days anyway.
Does hibernate not work either?
Seeing as my Acers sleep function, and some keyboard issues have been ongoing since Day1, I don't think I have much to loose.... 😕 😉 😆
you should reboot every few days anyway.
Did you accidentally install Windows 95?
Did you accidentally install Windows 95?
Well, for a start you can't patch it unless you do!
Then there's there's memory leaks, threads and services that haven't quit correctly, inability to defrag files listed as in-use.... etc etc
I am very surprised you don't do it. Rebooting machines daily, or at least every few days [2-4 tops] is critical, and every machine I have ever worked on has benefited hugely from reboots with more free memory and less CPU load.
All my MS computers are now running W10. The tablet has been fine - just worked.
Both desktops required manual driver updates - both for the ethernet cards (which didn't work otherwise) and for the Nvidia graphics card on one.
Now that's done, they're all working perfectly but I don't reckon a non-techy would have been able to resolve it themselves.
I am very surprised you don't do it. Rebooting machines daily, or at least every few days [2-4 tops] is critical, and every machine I have ever worked on has benefited hugely from reboots with more free memory and less CPU load.
Whereas I tend to set them up correctly and avoid apps with memory leaks. (-: In seriousness, if a system is "benefiting hugely" from reboots, it has an underlying issue which needs addressing (as you allude to). Off the top of my head I think the last time I had to set up scheduled reboots was for Citrix MetaFrame XP servers, so that would've been 10-15 years ago.
I accidentally gave the update process a proper test.
I downloaded the W10 update while working on the laptop, clicked install, plugged in the charger as the battery was down to ~40% and left it to do it's thing.
After an hour or so I noticed that I couldn't hear the fans whirring so assumed it had finished.
It appeared to be off, so I pushed the power button. Nothing. Pushed it again. Nothing, again.
I had about 10 seconds of thinking that W10 had killed my laptop before realising that I'd plugged the charger in, but not actually turned it on at the wall. It had got partway through the install process and the battery had cut out. 😯
I flicked the switch and started it up, and all credit to it, it rolled back the installation and then started again and it's working perfectly. I haven't used it too much but haven't come across any issues yet. It certainly seems quicker to boot than W7.
I hear ya Cougar, but most of these users are not pro, so the setup will be less [i]refined[/i], eh?
Oh, also,
more free memory and less CPU load.
This isn't necessarily a problem which needs to be solved. You either have enough resources or you don't; if you need a pint of water and you only have a half pint pot then you'll need to make two trips, but you're not gaining anything extra by pouring it into a litre jug.
Bad analogies aside (and handwaving virtualisation for now) there's little point in having CPU and RAM sitting there unused. A modern Windows OS (basically, everything post-XP) knows this and will actively use available memory to set up things like file caching (aka "SuperFetch") and other complicated cleverness. This isn't "taking up memory" in the strictest sense so much as just using it because it's there, it's still available even though it's in use - if free memory starts running low, the cache will get dumped in favour of more important data.
So rebooting will absolutely "free up memory" yes, at least temporarily, but critically [i]this is not a good thing.[/i] Why have memory sitting there unused? It's a waste. On a reboot, Windows will have to start all over again building up its caches and suchlike, so whilst a reboot might make it appear to be in better shape you're actually [i]harming[/i] performance in doing so.
TL;DR - Unless you're running a 13-year old OS, leave it alone. (-:
We obviously have very different ways of doing things!
The first thing I do when decluttering an old machine, certainly one running Vista is to disable SuperFetch- it's given too high a IO priority. The disk ends up jamming the drive up and meaning there's a huge disk access queue. When YOU decide YOU want to load something you end up waiting more than twice as long.
Then a rampage through msconfig/services.msc to kill a load of other wasted processes.
WRT CPU cycles, well, I mostly agree. However, if it's normally running a load of processes in the background that are flooding the CPU caches and not actually benefiting the user at that point, then canning/flushing threads can really help, hence the above.
Free RAM - yes of course RAM that is caching something useful is worth filling with the useful thing [and Linux seems better at doing this to me, I re-ripped half a DVD the other day before the drive actually span up- there was still 3GB of cached files!]....
But when the cache management floods the free RAM and you start paging - well, stick the kettle on.
But, yeah, I really think reboots should happen every few days, reboot then give it 5 mins to warm up.
Hopefully then it's ready to go [HDD access light off].
Hey, I mean, you can fill those caches up once a day, right? Might be quicker than waiting for a load of unused stuff to get flushed when you want to deviate from what the machine is thinking you want to do.
Anyway, it also sounds like we're talking about different setups though, managed deployments vs removing cruft from older machines.
The first thing I do when decluttering an old machine, certainly one running Vista is to disable Superfetch- it's given too high a IO priority.
That was a known problem in Vista. W7 onwards is much less aggressive.
Then a rampage through msconfig/services.msc to kill a load of other wasted processes.
Sure. Again, been there, and with an old machine that was underspecced from the outset you pretty much had to tweak it in order to eke out any sort of performance without needing a second mortgage. These days though it's generally more trouble than it's worth IMHO, any performance gains will be negligible unless you've got an errant service (and then, fix the app!). If I was building, say, a gaming rig then I might still bother but really, if you're having to do that then the problem isn't an excess of background services but a lack of hardware. I'd sooner stick another couple of gig in a box than frob about with Services.
if it's normally running a load of processes in the background that are flooding the CPU caches and not actually benefiting the user at that point, then canning/flushing threads can really help, hence the above.
Sure, but that should be an atypical situation. The question is [i]why[/i] that's happening, I'd argue that in that case what you really need to be doing is finding out the root cause rather than just masking the symptoms.
But when the cache management floods the free RAM and you start paging - well, stick the kettle on.
There's no way that the OS should be paging to make room for file caching. Aside from it being low priority data that gets dropped in the event of RAM starvation, caching file data to memory to increase performance and then writing it straight back out again to the same disk would be nonsensical. (If it actually does this, I'll be amazed.)
Hey, I mean, you can fill those caches up once a day, right? Might be quicker than waiting for a load of unused stuff to get flushed when you want to deviate from what the machine is thinking you want to do.
I like to think I have a reasonable handle on Windows system architecture, but even so I'd hazard that Windows itself has a far better idea of what system files it's likely to need far better than I do. I see no reason to interfere with that process.
Anyway, it also sounds like we're talking about different setups though, managed deployments vs removing cruft from older machines.
Perhaps. Older machines are a different barrel of whelks entirely, of course (hence my initial riposte about Windows 95).
I upgraded from a relatively clean 8.1. last week. Registered for upgrade mid-July, waited for it to say it was there, circa 4th August and then followed instructions. Took about an hour.
works okay now. i prefer the look and feel although closing down takes slightly longer than before it's not an issue.
uploaded via Garmin express to Garmin connect (which in turn uploads to strava and endomondo) and all still works as before.
Adobe Premiere elements v 8 is giving me gyp at the moment but it was before I upgraded (I was hoping the upgrade would resolve but it didn't).
I use this PC to remote connect into the office. The connection was always clunky on v 8.1 and always insisting I upload latest version of Java even though I had it already and only ever worked on IE even though I use chrome for everything else.
upgrade to W10 seems to have made this worse and I can't connect via IE anymore as it is insisting i don't have latest version of java installed. Will call work helpdesk and get them to walk/talk me through it.
Other than that need to play around and see if I spot any other differences.
Good thread #thumbsup
Where are these whelks?
No I don't mean read>cache>writecache to pagefile, I mean read>cache>bump something else out. Anyway....
I think we best leave this for another thread, don't want to ruin this one. I am sure you're mostly right anyway, dude. 😀
ack++
Tried to update today and got this message
[b]windows 10 We couldn't update the system reserved partition[/b]
Didn't offer any help how to resolve it 😐
I get that basically when it goes to sleep after I close the lid it won't wake up again, need to hard reboot it.Caher - Member
Updated at the weekend and the 'sleep' function no longer seems to work, which means i have to turn the PC off at night.
But rather that sleep, I've changed it in the power management to hibernate when the lid is closed instead. least it loads up quicker now and I'm back to where I left things. (tbh I think I'll leave it like this, uses less power, I find when sleeping I can leave the comp for a few days and need to restart anyhow as the battery has drained(My power settings are all set to max for audio recording))
I'm sure a proper fix will come eventually though.
I'm on a HP pavillion, seems to be a common problem on these, but not limited to it.
btw, reading through the cougar/gofarsterstripes square go! 😆 latencymon is a cracking we app for finding out whats slowing down you computer.
Bruneep have you got enough space on your c:drive? It might be that.
I'm loving the streaming Xbox one games to the PC. I've finally got my telly back in the living room from my lad :)... Its marvellous!
Bruneep I had this problem at first - I followed the steps here ([url= https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/3a6znd/we_couldnt_update_the_system_reserved_partition/ ]reddit[/url]) and this solved the problem for me.
I then failed at second attempt because I had left "secure OS boot" enabled in my PC's bios (feature in some motherboards to prevent malware attempts to tinker with the OS). Disabled that option temporarily for the win 10 install and it all ran smoothly from then.
And yes, it seems win 10 totally sucks at providing anything by way of useful information as to why something isn't working.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/11/windows_10_download_bricks_pcs_kb3081424/
Watch out! Bug about!