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Every time MPs set a new bar for how low they can go personally, one comes along and lowers it further...
Good riddance.
Why is he still an MP?
Half victim, half dickhead (and shaft, and sack by the sounds of it).
Clearly the world has moved in a direction that I don't comprehend where you share photos of your bits with strangers for....reasons. I don't get it but millions upon millions of people do it it seems. Despite it seeming to be 'normal' to do so you'd have thought the shame would be minimised, even everyday folk seem to find themselves blackmailed over it all the time. To partake in such 'pleasures' in a position of responsibility where you are even more vulnerable to being compromised is just profoundly naive. It's the sort of stupid thing a horny 15 year old boy could find themselves victim of and you could forgive them for being a hormony led plonker. To do it as an adult and an MP......victim yes, a bit of tool also yes.
How shit do you have to be to quit/get sacked?
wragg tried to take the tory whips office to court
for blackmailing him, presumably with this...
that's him 7 the from bottom,hes obviously a bit of a liability and you can see why he was targeted
He said: "I got chatting to a guy on an app and we exchanged pictures.
Pictures of what?
Oh come on we've all taken pictures of our genitals, shared them on a dating app and been subsequently blackmailed into handing over our contact details. Happens everyday. Sometimes twice.
FFS the man is an MP. Two MPs have been murdered in recent years and this arsehole has handed out contact details to **** knows who.
Why wasn't he fired on the spot?
And if they won't fire him, why hasn't he stood down?
BBC reporter on newsnight was explaining how he was targeted
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1777461924579475850?t=dLss_jvRfV1DNMRhfM_UqQ&s=19
do we know if it was China or Russia?
It's the fact that he thought that giving up the private numbers of his colleagues would get him out of trouble. Vice chairman of the 1922 for goodness sake, you would imagine he would be slightly smarter 🙁
This neatly summarises my main issue with the current government. I despise them not, particularly, because of their politics, but because they're so bone-****ing-numbingly stupid.
I'm watching Slow Horses at the moment and am very disappointed that The Dogs haven't turned up in a fleet of black Range Rovers and dragged him off to one of the new rooms under The Park that doesn't have any windows.
One of our local MP's - I suspect he'll definitely lose his seat now - even all the OAP's in Hazel Grove won't be voting him in.
He's our M.P and was extremely good at protecting a huge swathe of green belt nearby from being turned into a 4,000 homes, housing estate.
He also helped get rid of Boris Johnson, but my goodness, what on earth was he thinking.
Just stupid behaviour of the highest order.
Why is he still an MP?
Because no one can sack an MP. He could be chucked out of his party and sit as an independent and thats it. Unless he chooses to step down and trigger a bye election there is nothing anyone can do
Unless they've seen his tinkle and like another 4 years of it.
One of our local MP’s – I suspect he’ll definitely lose his seat now
He had announced he was standing down back in 2022.
It is mildly amusing someone who complained about blackmail from the whips office subsequently got blackmailed by some random other.
Does seem nuts to hand out that sort of photo a) at all and failing that b)having met the person and/or c)not showing face so some ability to deny.
what on earth was he thinking.
I think its the lack of thinking that has got him where he finds himself now, isn't it? I was wondering why the Tories were going all in over Rayner's house sale story, presumably diverting attention from Willy Wag* is the answer?
*That's what the whips office are calling him, I've decided.
Because no one can sack an MP. He could be chucked out of his party and sit as an independent and thats it. Unless he chooses to step down and trigger a bye election there is nothing anyone can do
There is now, but only in certain circumstances
Unless he chooses to step down and trigger a bye election there is nothing anyone can do
Not true. But not a quick process, and requires other MPs to act (assuming no serious laws broken).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recall_of_MPs_Act_2015
Pictures of what?
Their genitals by all accounts...
Sunday Times main cartoon:
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I feel sorry for him - how thick/ malevolent must his parents be to call him Willy Wragg. Sounds like what one would use to clean up after using a Penis Beaker.
I would say they need a *ing leash round their necks and led about the place by a chaperone, told who they can and cannot speak to but then thought……nah, that’s what got us here in the first place and they’d just get off on it, imagine that?……A *ing rampant Wragg humping your leg.
He is now forever known on FB as "Private Members Bill"
I'm pretty sure Willy Waver's seat will be lost to the Libdems along with the adjacent Cheadle constituency.
Vice chairman of the 1922 for goodness sake, you would imagine he would be slightly smarter
No, no I wouldn't.
Pictures of what?
Thanks, I now have a slightly altered Who song bouncing around my brain.
But Angela Rayner 😉 lol. Personally I was also thinking Lord Mone should somehow be in court for fraud. It's hard to find something redeeming about Torys. Well I guess the grouping of all tossers in the same place has benefit. Lets hope the Tory's merge with Reform and become a place of refuge for idiots 😉
JeZ
It’s the sort of stupid thing a horny 15 year old boy could find themselves victim of and you could forgive them for being a hormony led plonker. To do it as an adult and an MP……victim yes, a bit of tool also yes.
Yep. It's the chronic lack of judgement that makes him utterly unfit to hold public office.
That list above - assuming that's a well known 'legit' leaked document from the tory whips? What's the story. Pretty libelous stuff on there.....unless provably true. Truss is even more a catch than I'd previously appreciated - Lucky Mr Truss.
Yep. It’s the chronic lack of judgement that makes him utterly unfit to hold public office.
And the fact that its so pervasive across 100s of them, not just one or two, but 100s of clueless morons all in the same place.
Yep. It’s the chronic lack of judgement that makes him utterly unfit to hold public office.
The Tories are desperate not to involve the police here, I'm guessing because the identities of the other MPs who ended up interacting with this scammer/foreign agent would come out, as it were.
I want to know why MPs are defending him - Jeremy Hunt there saying he's made a fulsome and courageous apology and should be praised for that.
Are the rest of the MPs secretly thinking "oh shit, we all do that too!" and are desperate for it not to come out? None of these people can be trusted to behave themselves. They have no judgement, no moral compass, no courage.
All of this "the Right Honourable..." and the protections they hide behind like parliamentary privilege, self-regulation, code of conduct and so on is just an insult to the rest of us. There's nothing honourable about any of them. I suggest:
The Right Shallow
The Right Stupid
The Right Self-Centred and
The Right Corrupt as more suitable prefaces
Anyone else, in any other job, would have been sacked so fast their feet wouldn't have touched the floor - and that goes for numerous "indiscretions" and bordering-on-criminal activities that MPs get up to, not just the catastrophically stupid act of sending dick pics.
convert - I seem to recall that that list was apparently the leverage that the whips had on everyone to get them to follow the party line! If you don't do what the party expects, this story might reach the press. No doubt it had some official purpose - like making sure the PM didn't make any ministerial appointments that might be embarrassing or something,
That list has been around for a while & every time news breaks about a Tory MP up to no good its worth checking eg Pincher, Burns, Wragg, Elphicke, Hancock, Johnson
As for Truss its pretty well known she had an affair with MP Mark Field when she was younger & told other MPs she was pregnant by him and that her local Tory party said it was a mistake she got through vetting to get slected as a candidate
Anyway, theres a danger that further revelations will expose wragg further & put Sunak in the poop, eg if wraggs dickpics leak just before the locals......
the real question is who was targeting out MPs & journalists, who else have they compromised & what will they do with that info?
Old Kwasi got around didn’t he?
I'd suggest not only did he get around, but his social skills are so poorly developed he looked for success amongst his work colleagues AND felt the need to leak his conquests.
Are the rest of the MPs secretly thinking “oh shit, we all do that too!”
I think its part of the oxbridge initiation ceremony, especially for certain members clubs
I seem to recall that that list was apparently the leverage that the whips had on everyone to get them to follow the party line!
Supposedly its a mix of leverage and also a warning to the whips as to what they might need to help the mp out with.
In terms of whether it is authentic or not.
Every time a scandal appears it makes an appearance and so far its been remarkably accurate about what the mp is supposedly prone to and what the scandal is.
So if not genuine it got put together by someone who is well connected to the tory mp rumour mill or is amazingly lucky guesser.
His nickname in Parliament makes me laugh... Pi$$Wragg but then i am kinda childish.
There’s nothing honourable about any of them
I think we need to be careful with such generalisations - there are a lot of decent and hard working MPs, some of them are Tories.
Though I agree there's a lot to be reformed there.
Lets hope the Tory’s merge with Reform and become a place of refuge for idiots
Better they stay separate and split the right wing vote.
And he’s resigned the whip.
"And he’s resigned the whip"
Heard enough about his private life now thanks.
He should resign from his job. The system is really messed up when they can behave so badly in public office but there seems to be very little anyone can do to remove them.
Its not about Wragg
at least 2 more MPs sent pics?!
You've got to wonder who else is compromised in parliament and be what they've divulged
https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1777783915601621056?t=EJysORGc-nOpo9pKEi9x8A&s=19
Maybe ‘Charlie’ was researching for a new game show? Match up the nob and his nob?
I'm a little surprised by all this.
I thought Tory MP's only sold the country out for hard cash but to find out they will do so for a picture of a cock is probably down to Brexit?
Have you cock and... well...
at least 2 more MPs sent pics?!
You remember at the final months of the Major government when you thought the own goals could not stop coming? That was Vauxhall Conference League in comparison to these Champion's League, sorry scratch that - a bit too European for their tastes...Premier League levels of self destruction. Is there a tory MP in Britain that's not having a flick through their Linkedin connections and blowing the dust off their CV? They are going to be ripped a new one....which on reflection might well be what Willy Wragg was hoping for....
It's wildly stupid to be a middle aged man and think you're so attractive to people that they would ask you for dick pics
It's wildly stupid to send dick pics to people you don't know
It's wildly inattentive to think that anyone would give a shit about your dick pics in the current environment. Like - if you're Boris Johnson or Liz Truss or Kwasi Kwarteng and don't get fired...why would anyone fire you? It's not even in the top 100 worst things that's happened in the past year
at least 2 more MPs sent pics?!
And those two have even less of an excuse. He was "chatting" with someone on a hookup site.
The other two had mysterious people whatsapping them with a few vague details and then sent them dodgy pics.
It’s wildly stupid to send dick pics to people you don’t know
Whilst stupid its not wildly so. Wildly so is including your face in the photos. Anything short of that can be denied (unless you have a well known birthmark or tattoo I guess).
So, have I got this right in thinking that Wragg shared private contact details of certain MPs because he was being blackmailed?
And the same William Wragg served as chair of the Constitutional Affairs Select Committee AND was vice-chair of the 1922 Committee - with no small amount of influence & oversight?
Bloody hell, that's some kompromat right there.
Presumably sharing your colleague personal contact details because you are getting blackmailed for being dumber than a horny schoolboy is a breach of the MPs code of conduct* and the Standards Commissioner can do the usual thing of suspending him, creating a recall petition and by-election…
of course none of that is fast so Rishi might seal his fate in a General Election first?
*I imagine even in the HOC they didn’t cover that specific circumstance but there will be a catch all - behaving inappropriately for your position?
John Profumo lived the rest of his life in quiet disgrace for boffing the same mistress as a Soviet naval attaché.
I can't see Wragg or any of the other dicture distributing degenerates doing the same.
It’s wildly stupid to send dick pics to people you don’t know
Unless they are your urologist. The level of stupidity here is remarkable. Can’t they just ignore unsolicited messages like the rest of us?
Reading this article
Does the poor bloke have some significant mental health struggles?
I am certainly no fan of the Tories, or indeed Jeremy Hunt, but JH does seem to be amongst the most competent of the shit show that's left and I don't see why he'd defend the indefensible for any other reason.
Him sending his own dickpic to a blackmailer was a resigning offence IMO (proper resigning, not just "resigning the whip").
However, sending the contact details of your colleagues to somebody you know to be a blackmailer, so they too can be blackmailed - is something that he should clearly be summarily fired, and probably face criminal charges for. I know he was under duress (because of his own incomprehensible ****lessness), but ultimately he was complicit in numerous attempts to blackmail public servants.
There is much about the current crop of Tories that I find offensive, but certainly in the top 3 things is that a great many of them (being careful not to generalise) just seem to be abject **** ing morons.
Maybe he was thinking it would all blow over and nothing more would be done after he sent the contact details and a quick chat with Charlie.... a win win perhaps.
Like having your cock and eating it.....
Biblically stupid....
However, sending the contact details of your colleagues to somebody you know to be a blackmailer,
When put in those words, there's no escaping just how obviously dumb this is and how seriously it should be taken.
I’ve always felt that gay Conservatives must be seriously conflicted at some level. Their chosen party is homophobic. Gay marriage only passed because of Labour support, and their anti-trans culture wars stirring smacks of homophobia to me.
Bloody hell, that’s some kompromat right there.
The levels of security risk are off the charts.
Who needs any James Bond style shit when you can just phish an MP on a dating app?!
Get them to reveal the contact info of all their colleagues - leaving them open to blackmail too - and at some point you'll find someone who's actually connected enough to give out genuinely sensitive information around military units or critical civilian infrastructure or confidential policy.
There's just a chain of utter stupidity at every level.
One of the things that concerns me, apart from the stupidity of the MPs involved and the security risk of this sort of thing, is that I am forced to question a) at what point does the Whips' list become tantamount to blackmail (a criminal offense?) and b) does the withholding of knowledge on sexual misconduct that could be seen as sexual assault become a criminal offense?
That the whips are using this type of leverage makes them no better than the people doing the honey trapping.
genuinely sensitive information around military units
Which the results of for military personnel are rather swift and career limiting/ending. I knew a bod who once sent a selfie of himself to a woman he was chatting to on tinder. The photo was from inside a building that came under the authority of a particular unit with some pretty cool toys in the background. He was regular army bod attached.
Said lass posted it on her SM, somebody she was connected to screenshot it and shared it publically, someone else saw it, flagged it to the right people. Photo was gone in a heartbeat and the individual was out of the unit in 24 hours, with a letter to follow from Defence Vetting stating that individual will never hold anything above basic security to continue to serve, also came with a discipline charge the result of which was a letter of censure (2 year promotion hold).
But then after that had to have 3 reports to be eligible for promotion, so essentially had a 5 year period where advancing his career was not happening. Seems MP's can get away with some mental stuff with very little repercussions.
Is anyone surprised by this.
You have to look at the system that delivers these minions to the Conservative party.
Honestly,who (in their 20s) would choose a life in that workplace.
Honestly,who (in their 20s) would choose a life in that workplace.
thats part of the problem isn't it? The "gene pool" of people who would want to be an MP / work with MPs is very restricted which means you get crap/stupid MPs, MPs who have no moral compass, MPs who exploit their status etc. Therefore the next time they seek candidates the pool of people who would consider it is even smaller, leaving even poorer quality candidates... and so on in a spiral of decay.
Of course "we" are partly to blame - we elect people with little scrutiny on them personally; we complain but don't get involved in the parties to shape the candidate choices; we don't stand for election ourselves; we love a scandal; we love a social media furore...
I’ve always felt that gay Conservatives must be seriously conflicted at some level. Their chosen party is homophobic.
For a homophobic party they do seem to have an awful lot of gay MPs! Perhaps its how you swage your conscience if you don't really approve of the gays, you nominate them as your local candidate - like having a "black friend" lets you claim not to be racist.
... and their anti-trans culture wars stirring smacks of homophobia to me.
Not sure if equating trans and homosexual actually makes you transphobic or homophobic.
Of course “we” are partly to blame – we elect people with little scrutiny on them personally; we complain but don’t get involved in the parties to shape the candidate choices; we don’t stand for election ourselves
Indeed. You have to temper your 'rage' at the people who get elected by your own lack of gumption to do anything about it. I suppose the problem is that candidate for MP get chosen by people in the party - local or national. Not a million miles away from the problem in the US - Trump gets put forward as the republican party by the rabid MAGAs even though he is a very long way from what most people in the company would actually choose. Biden not much better.
we complain but don’t get involved in the parties to shape the candidate choice
Agreed. Although I did get involved this time. Took me 50 years to get to that point though. What would get more people involved at an earlier age? Having said that, there was quite a good spread of age range at our candidate hustings… but then that wasn’t Conservatives.
That the whips are using this type of leverage makes them no better than the people doing the honey trapping.
Wragg actually made a thing of this in 2022 when he was trying to get Johnson sacked when he claimed they put pressure on him to back down.
It was reported he was meeting the police but then it vanished from the news.
Reading private eye today it did note he is a member of the "common sense" faction of the tories. Proving once again their definition doesnt match the normal one.
And, just like that, all sympathy I had left for the guy has gone. Idiot.