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I have my doubts... I wouldn't be surprised if his flight is diverted or intercepted.
Ecuador Embassy London? he can share with Julian
RT.com had live tracking of his flight on their site,
I think he will easily find a country wanting to annoy the americans
But he has to get to one first...
Intercepting an Aeroflot flight? Nobody would be that stupid.
I dont think the yanks are stealing someone from Russia or from China
they are not quite at Israel levels of "diplomacy/direct action"
NSA leaker Snowden on flight to ‘third country’ via Moscow with WikiLeaks help
http://rt.com/news/snowden-fly-moscow-aeroflot-125/
Not my first choice of routing if I knew a lot about the US secrets business, still from [s]Hong Kong[/s] China it's a bit frying pan fire
Of course they could "accidentally" shoot down the airliner. Not like that's never happened before.
What is the legal situation in regard to diverting flights in international airspace? I'm assuming that the flight will follow the 'bear bomber' route to Cuba to avoid passing through european or UK airspace.
Surly he couldn't get to a country that would want to annoy the Yanks than the one he is already in?
Cheers
Danny B
[quote=dannybgoode ]Surly he couldn't get to a country that would want to annoy the Yanks than the one he is already in?
Cheers
Danny B
I'd probably pick one that wasn't going to ask me to tell them everything I know over a little bit of progressive questioning
I think russia wants, on some level to be friends where as some just want to stick 2 fingers up to them
right enough of the torment, where can we bet on this cludo style.
I'll start
Over Belgium airspace, with an iranian lesbian hang-glider clipping the plane.
(if any of this comes true please delete the thread)
I thought there was an icelandic chap who had offered a flight to him once Iceland had confirmed his asylum status
He must not know that much if the Chinese are letting him go, so I guess he has served his purpose for their own media (the American spy on you too!) and are happy to get rid of him before he becomes a liability.
For maximum damage to the yanks, I would expect him to pitch up in London before Monday claiming diplomatic immunity, the legal shenanigans involved in deporting him alone should buy him 5-7 years.
(if any of this comes true please delete the thread)
schoolboy error - if what Mr Snowdon has shared is true, 'They' have already read your comment and are en-route to your front door.... if you're quick I believe the Ecuadorian Embassy is nice this time of year 😉
He must not know that much if the Chinese are letting him go
He is a whistleblower not a traitor...bog difference tha the USA would do well to recognise [but wont]
The American's wont be intercepting any Russian planes, rumour on French TV is that's where he's going.
I don't see what the fuss is - everything on the internet is interceptable and intercepted - you wouldn't want the intelligence services doing anything else.
Thing is, his "threat" isn't about what he knows re national secrets etc, it's about what he knows re how information is gathered so that doesn't neccesarily make him a valuable information asset for foreign powers, just a valuable irritant.
As far as intercepting flights etc, if you've got an international terrorists or mass murderer or something then it's more likely to happen than when it's someone who's just told an inconvenient and embarrassing truth about how shit your country can be. I think they'd rather have him pass into relative obscurity, his secret is out and extradition and trial will keep it in the public eye.
I hope he goes to safe haven in Sweden
Because that would really **** up Assange's reasons for avoiding extradition 😀
you wouldn't want the intelligence services doing anything else.
Have you not been reading the news and noticed how quite a lot of people would indeed want something else from them.
It's playing like a real time, real life Jason Bourne Thriller
In the meantime, this is funny:
So now, apparently, he's overnighting in an airport lounge. How long before he's bundled into a van and taken to the US embassy? Or found floating in the Moscow river?
Wonder how soon he will be branded as a sexual predetor or some such hate figure, like assange.
The DeMoncratic world cannot have it all their ways ...
just on C4 he is applying for asylum at Ecudor
I suspect the Americans don't really want him anyway - they don't know what else might come out. Better to have someone they can demonize in an out of reach place than the embarrassment of a trail of a whistle blower.
the US would much rather have him as a hate figure - than actually have him on TV and come over all rational.
It is a shame that Bradley Manning will eventually die for his "crime" - but Teddy is a smarter cookie ...
Is there a single shred of evidence that the US gives a shit about getting their hands on this bloke (they've filed charges but have they requested extradition anywhere)? He's been embarrassing for them but he's not actually done a Bradley Manning and exposed loads of their deepest-darkest. He reminds me of a few of the UK whistleblowers where the government wanted to prosecute them more on a matter of principle rather than any real threat caused.
To be honest, I put him right there with Assange in the self-important category. Manning is actually facing a lifetime (or a very short life) in prison but for some reason, the sleazy Australian gets all the sympathy.
[quote=project ]just on C4 he is applying for asylum at Ecudor
I thought the Ecuadorians were doing their best to get rid of Assange without causing too much crap for themselves now. Surely a whistleblower can't be high on their list of priorities.
atlaz - MemberIs there a single shred of evidence that the US gives a shit about getting their hands on this bloke
They've been pressuring the Chinese authorities to arrest him which would be the first step towards extradition.
They've been pressuring the Chinese authorities to arrest him which would be the first step towards extradition.
Oddly the Chinese don't have a treaty with the US. Hong Kong does but he didn't need a "secret" flight, he could have just popped over the border.
To be honest, I put him right there with Assange in the self-important category.
I fail to see how any of his actions have been in his self interest.
Er, he didn't leave Hong Kong by any unusual or "secret" means- he flew out on a standard scheduled flight, the Hong Kong government rejected the request for arrest and said they had no reason to restrict his free movement.
But anyway, the point is that you asked for evidence the US want him- there it is.
He will be off to some south american country who wants to piss off the yanks knowing full well that the US can't do **** to them.
He will be off to some south american country who wants to piss off the yanks knowing full well that the US can't do **** to them.
How eloquent
Until he's the victim of a kidnapping or drone strike...
thisisnotaspoon - Member
How eloquent
How could I be anything other?
ohnohesback - Member
Until he's the victim of a kidnapping or drone strike...
Doubt they would drone strike as he isn't a combatant even with the US's dodgy stance on what is legal when it comes to that. Kidnapping who knows depends where he ends up, he is youngish so with a regime change down the line he could be handed over.
a regime change down the line he could be handed over.
He's heading for Latin America. The days when Latin American countries were pawns of the United States are, like the British Empire, long gone.
And so far the answer remains no...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-bolivia-plane-vienna
For someone the US says they don't really want that badly, getting other countries to mess with diplomatic flights sounds pretty desperate.
Bearing in mind that he has alerted the EU that the US are spying on us should he not be given asylum in Europe?
Yes, it's bizarre that the EU that protests about the US spying, then connives with them to deny the whistleblower asylum.
Wonder how long till the US start Drone strikes on transit hotels in Russia.....
IF he is still there...
I suspect there will be plenty of false trails laid and alarms sounded.
None of the European states have the balls to do the decent thing and let him in, which is a shame. They're all too scared of the consequences if they upset America.
Germany should have him, they're the only ones who are robust enough to piss the Americans off with impunity at the moment.
Bearing in mind that he has alerted the EU that the US are spying on us should he not be given asylum in Europe?
Despite the public protests really why would we have spies if they do not spy on our friends and enemies
i doubt it was news to them that they did this and I assume we do it to them as well
There's a difference between intellegence gathering and digital rape.
There's a difference between intellegence gathering and digital rape.
Are you saying he's been fingered? *ahem*
Why the surprise on spying on Europe? We do it all the time ourselves and have done for as long as intelligence existed. And they do the same.
Are you saying he's been fingered? *ahem*
With how many digits?
There's a difference between intellegence gathering and digital rape.
Yes one is spying and the other is spying
Did we not all realise our govts do this all the time
Its nit Like MI6 is only using legitimate and legal tactics to spy now is it as that would make them a bit rubbish at their job
Where this differs is that they are also doing it to citizens and no one knew they were doing this..perhaps we just have to get used to this as i doubt they will stop
The internet is mostly an open comms channel, so what did you expect? Only difference between now and the past is the capacity to store and analyse the data faster, but it's not all that different from what they were doing a Bletchley Park way back.
All the western countries are at it to a greater or lesser extent, and some sharing of info does go on, hence, no way is Germany going to touch him with a barge pole.
Yes, there have always been rumours - stories about ECHELON, suggestions about GCHQ and the radomes at Fylingdales, lots of conspiracy theories.
But there's a big difference between vaguely paranoid theories on the internet, and actually seeing the Powerpoint presntations where they detail exactly what they've been doing.
I think he'll make it to Ecuador in the end and when he is out of the press limelight he'll be taken care of in a quick and efficient manner by a nice American gentleman with a small calibre pistol.
They might even just pay a local merc.
I think he should allow himself to be martyred and be the modern jesus... baggsy writing the new bible (and getting the royalties)
What could he expect if he goes back to the US?
Are we talking 50 years in a Super Max?
Im amazed that he blew the whistle - he worked for them, so he ought to know what they can do. Has he not seen the Jason Bourne movies ?
He is either daft, naive or stupid or perhaps he is very clever and has a brilliant plan all along.
However, Id happily bet he will end up with a bag over his head soon.
Why the surprise on spying on Europe? We do it all the time ourselves and have done for as long as intelligence existed. And they do the same.
Ah, the Lance Armstrong defence.
...or his head in a bag.However, Id happily bet he will end up with a bag over his head soon.
So, where are all the previous people that pissed off the Americans now ?
Wearing orange jump suits I think.
Trimix - MemberHe is either daft, naive or stupid or perhaps he is very clever and has a brilliant plan all along.
Or, perhaps he's just got a bit of the old moral fortitude- doing the right thing, even though he knows the likely outcomes.
Moral fortitued will leave him in Jail or dead.
Pick your enemys carefully, poking a stick at the biggest one is not a good idea, no matter how "right" you think you are.
He is not going to be able to stay in the airport forever (have you seen the prices of food and drink at airports) and with the Winter Olympics due in Russia soon my guess is he will be asked to leave soon to ensure no screw ups over security co-operation, a way will be found for him to leave.
I genuinely think he will be safer if he just gives himself up, once in custody not even the NSA would try to do anything stupid and he will probably get a good pick of defence lawyers and all the free publicity he wants.
Edit: For the film, I'm thinking Sean Penn, this is too much of a political hot potato for Tom Hanks.
Trimix - MemberMoral fortitued will leave him in Jail or dead.
Pick your enemys carefully, poking a stick at the biggest one is not a good idea, no matter how "right" you think you are.
Which, as you say, presumably he must have known. And saw fit to go through with it anyway. At the [i]very[/i] minimum he was exiling himself from his home country. Brave man.
Trimix - MemberMoral fortitued will leave him in Jail or dead.
Quite likely, and he's shown he knows that. He'll avoid it if he can no doubt, only common sense. Doing the right thing often isn't a very "good idea".
He should seek asylum in Russia ... other part of the world he would be dead.
He should seek asylum in Russia
He tried and they set out stipulations that he wouldn't agree to.
somouk - MemberHe should seek asylum in Russia
He tried and they set out stipulations that he wouldn't agree to.
Well I guess that's the end of the road for him as no one can protects him now. He can try North Korea but I guess the food might not be up to his taste.
On a side-note, has Austria put out any statements about why they stopped Bolivia's plane? I've seen nothing from them yet?
Saddest thing is the people he was hoping to stir outrage and debate and revolt in are all, like: "Meh, thought so." and more interested in the human drama of "what's going to happen to this guy?" and "what sort of person would do this anyway?" and then "Is spying really cool or really dull? "