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Got one living in our holiday cottage next door for the week. Paying a fair wedge so I'm restraining my normal balshy self for financial gain. Quite a cathartic experience not being an opinionated knob actually, and wearing a mask makes inappropriate smiles a lot easier.
The brief was to remove all wifi products from the house before they arrived as they make his son seriously ill in minutes. And we had to verify that we did not have a smart meter before he booked. He is livid that our house next door has a 4G aerial for our broadband and did not know beforehand.
Apparently.....the EMF waves from man made devices interfere with the natural EMF emitted by trees. The waves forms are different and cancel each other out. And this is the reasons that there is a secret plot to cut down the trees so that 5G can be installed. Oh, and that it can be statistically proved that the installing of wifi and 5G in hospitals has impacted on patients getting more ill rather than less ill when they go to hospital.
Normally I'd have brought up covid/vaccines for shits and giggles but, you know, my current account.
Some people make playing at life very hard for themselves.
“No no.. that’s not a 4g aerial it’s a homing beacon pointing at Mars”
Are you charging extra for the removal of emf emitters and de-ionisation of the property???
Did they book online?
Did they book online?
Oh yes, and a tesco online delivery just arrived......
To be fair - he uses a brick phone and at home he has a router with the wifi turned off plugged into his laptop with a cable.
It would be hard to get as well 'informed' as he is without the internet....obvs.
You should've left a wifi router plugged in hidden under the beds
The anti-science phenomenon, what a time to be alive.
You should have a look at the crap put in the RF spectrum from an Ethernet port, never mind what a FTTC/VDSL2 line can put out.
Ethernet - gazillions of Google refs
VDSL2 - https://rsgb.org/main/technical/emc/vdsl-interference-reporting/
Did you include a foil blanket in the welcome pack?
I would have just said no, that's ridiculous.
I bet they complain about many other things during their stay.
I would have just said no, that’s ridiculous.
I bet they complain about many other things during their stay
We do regret it to be honest
We'd just made it available but had a few days without takers when they enquired. We are now full every week until end of Sep so in hindsight should have told them to jog on.
But I am using it to focus my mindfulness and inner peace. It must be all the natural, good, emf coming off the trees around here.
he uses a brick phone and at home he has a router with the wifi turned off plugged into his laptop with a cable.
but but but how does he shield the computer and router sufficiently to make sure its safe?
Also do they use a microwave etc?
There are a couple of locations in the USA centred around a military research lab and a civilian observatory which has insanely strict laws on any emissions and so attracts all the true nutters. I do have to kinda admire those who actually really manage to live by their beliefs and restrict everything to sufficient levels to live round those areas.
Did you check if their car has parking sensors, an alarm or adaptive cruise control?
Or one of those plipper thingies to unlock the car...
There are millions of ignorant people on the planet, you don't have to be responsible for 'convert'ing all of them...
They’re harmless nutters though, aren’t they?
Currently, we have anti-vax morons prolonging the pandemic and right wing clowns threatening democracy. In comparison, your people seem quite unassuming.
He is livid that our house next door has a 4G aerial for our broadband and did not know beforehand.
I think you missed an opportunity to get the remote controlled car out in the garden. Nothing would be more satisfying then to be seen swanning about with a big controller and 4' aerial.
He’s totally obsessed with EMF?
Unbelievable.
He has indeed burdened me with his questions, and I don't think he has listened to my replies.
The thinks he says!
He’s totally obsessed with EMF?
Unbelievable.
Better than being obsessed with KLF.
Aha, aha.
They’re harmless nutters though, aren’t they?
I watched a documentary on Netflix a while ago about flat earthers. It was both amusing in a ‘haha look what these people believe’ kind of way, and interesting in exploring what they got out of their beliefs (in general I think it was essentially a sense of importance and belonging from a community).
The last point the doc made was that yes it’s all pretty funny with these people because really what difference does it make, but actually if people will believe against all evidence (including that provided by their own experiments) that the earth is flat, what else will they believe? Climate change is a hoax? Vaccines are developed purely for big pharma profits?
it can be statistically proved that the installing of wifi and 5G in hospitals has impacted on patients getting more ill rather than less ill when they go to hospital.
I don't know about the 5G thing, but getting admitted to hospital is strongly correlated with bad outcomes. Your chances of recovery are better if the doctor sends you home and tells you to just take it easy for a few days.
I don’t know about the 5G thing, but getting admitted to hospital is strongly correlated with bad outcomes. Your chances of recovery are better if the doctor sends you home and tells you to just take it easy for a few days.
That was not the thrust of his 'information download' (it was not a discussion as that would involve me inputting). It was that since the introduction of wifi and now 5G masts into hospital grounds (is 5G masts in hospital grounds a thing yet? No idea) it can be proven that patients are now getting more unwell spending time in hospital when previously the same patients would have got better. And that once 5G was present in every hospital his son would no longer be able to receive medical assistance. That last bit is where the 'just a harmless nutter' comment above starts to fall down.
I don’t know about the 5G thing, but getting admitted to hospital is strongly correlated with bad outcomes. Your chances of recovery are better if the doctor sends you home and tells you to just take it easy for a few days.
That is very close to a talk an ICU doctor gave me. We are in a hospital where only the sickest people come, and we are in the ward where only the sickest people in hospital come. So bearing that in mind your X only has at best a 50% chance of survival. X did pull through in end but it was very sobering first visit.
The ward did have WiFi, no mobile coverage though.
it can be statistically proved that the installing of wifi and 5G in hospitals has impacted on patients getting more ill rather than less ill when they go to hospital.
...it can be proved that there is a correlation not a causation. Jeez. Take the guy's money and leave a router under his bed 😉
I have to say that hospital wifi is *superb* these days. Gone are the bloody awful TV things dangling from the wall replaced by good ol' virgin wifi. Does it mean people stay in bed more, denying themselves of a modicum of exercise? Perhaps. Doubt the NHS has had time to analyse any effects.
That is very close to a talk an ICU doctor gave me.
Yup. I "qualified" for icu during my Covid stay this year. I was handled by the icu outreach team rather than actually admitted into icu, and one of the nurses commented that it would be better for me to stay out.
Given I was the only mobile patient in a ward of about 40-50, many of whom I would suspect never made it out or who will have life ending complications, and icu is the next level of that, I consider myself fortunate.
He’s totally obsessed with EMF?
Unbelievable.
Well played.
I suppose they are, if you'll pardon the oblique pun, ahead of the curve compared to most conspiracy quarterwits in acknowledging that background radiation exist. That's usually a good opening counter.
I feel a bit sorry for the kid though, what sort of life must that be? Reckon I'd get an old vitamin bottle, re-label it "anti-radiation pills", fill it wit Smarties and give it to him.
it can be statistically proved that the installing of wifi and 5G in hospitals has impacted on patients getting more ill rather than less ill when they go to hospital.
It's actually possible that better wifi correlates with more modern equipment and better diagnosis. If that's the case then there is more chance of seriously ill people being admitted and less seriously ill people being treated as outpatients. There are all sorts of potential confounding variables, assuming that there actually is a correlation.
Convert please tell me your cottage is in Devon or some other Radon hotspot. They've picked a bad week as well given the solar radiation forecast.
it can be statistically proved that the installing of wifi and 5G in hospitals has impacted on patients getting more ill rather than less ill when they go to hospital.
Just like it can be proven that increased cheese consumption leads to more people dying from being tangled in bedspreads.
https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
why would you do that?
Well, just thinking of the response as they leave, after a presumably incident-free holiday, when it’s casually dropped into the conversation that a wifi router had been forgotten and left on in a corner of the property where you don’t normally go.
I remember seeing something on telly about a portable phone mast being set up outside a student lodging house, clearly marked as to what it was, and a questionnaire left to gauge any response to it.
Lots of reports about problems sleeping, headaches, rashes, etc. So the next week, it was turned on, and the students informed otherwise. No ill-effects were reported that week…
I saw that prog too, they found an old hall in a mobile not spot, setup a trailer mast in the front, and as you said had it off when they said it was on and vice versa. I recall one person had to be seen by a doctor and taken off site in the first week.
Oh and they do regular tests on EMF from masts, more here https://www.ofcom.org.uk/manage-your-licence/radiocommunication-licences/mobile-wireless-broadband/exposure-electro-magnetic-fields
As an amateur radio licence holder, OFCOM have recently issued a variation on my licence and I'll have to do assessments on EMF for my transmitters/antenna. In relation to international guidelines
I had some friends that were completely convinced that they were affected by wifi. They asked me about it because I was knowledgeable but didn't like my replies because I obviously didn't know enough. They often asked for wifi to be switched off when they were around so I did so they felt better, even though there were over 40 other stations still transmitting round about
Some people are just stressed out by modern life and the sheer amount of stuff they know nothing about any more :(. It's easy to attach that stress to something. Governments aren't helping by being untrustworthy and serving their pals most of the time so it's easy to believe you are being lied to because quite often you are
Whilst you're all laughing this is taken seriously in France. Some people are recognised as being sensitive with medical diagnosis.
The guy might be one of the small number of people who genuinely suffers even if his explanations seem a little odd.
I don't don't suffer but I'm not in the habit of sticking my head in a micro-wave either and wouldn't buy a house with high tension wires running overhead or a transmitter at the end of the garden if only because I like listening to the radio.
buy a house with high tension wires running overhead
Looked at a place in Italy with the view to letting it. Old stone house not far from Volterra. Pictures looked awesome. Beautiful views.
Got there and there were pylons with buzzing power lines about 50m from the house.
Needless to say I don't have a house in Italy.
Would have been a nightmare for the OP's guest.
Whilst you’re all laughing this is taken seriously in France. Some people are recognised as being sensitive with medical diagnosis.
every person in that link is a mentalist, and none of it is anywhere near a recognised diagnosis
life expectancy has gone up since the EF spectrum has been flooded with wifi-G
life expectancy has gone up since the EF spectrum has been flooded with wifi-G
But all the records for longevity are held by people who lived in wifi-free environments as children.
Just like it can be proven that increased cheese consumption leads to more people dying from being tangled in bedspreads.
That’s why I always insist on any holiday rental I use to be completely cheese-free.
That’s why I always insist on any holiday rental I use to be completely cheese-free.
I always ensure I leave it cheese free - do you think I'm some kind of monster?!?
He managed to jam all his keys (inc his car key - why?) in the key lockbox last night outside the front door. How do you knacker a key safe? A joyous job to sort for later this morning. He's winning me over.
EMF, are there still people who believe the Eat More Fibre myth?
"... interfere with the natural EMF emitted by trees."
Emitting Methane from Forests.
Trees do emit methane.
Maybe that is why the get cut down.
Cheese produced from regenerative agriculture should be OK.
OP: Do you often rent out your holiday cottage on the pretence of being sensitive to your clients needs, whilst at the same time publicly ridiculing them online forum?
Your client has advised you that his son is hyper sensitive to EMf, I find it odd that you cannot just deal with this on and move on.
May be it would be a good idea to let future clients aware of how you operate, so they can decide whether they want to stay there or not.
This post reminds me so much of the school playground, just because someone is different it should not make you a target for other peoples fun.
He’s winning me over.
You know you have got yourself to blame so you have that. Next time a delusional person asks to stay you will no doubt have learnt from this 🙂
How do you knacker a key safe?
Very, very easily. As you have found, too many keys shoved in it will jam it, even more fun is when one of the keys knocks the reset switch so whatever combination you spin round to mask the actual combination after shutting it, becomes the new combination which of course you no longer know when you try and open it using the old one.
Top tip, if it’s stuck due to too many keys then just whack a flat blades screwdriver into the top of the flap that open and wiggle it, chances are it’s not clicked shut due to being too full.
Your client has advised you that his son is hyper sensitive to EMf, I find it odd that you cannot just deal with this on and move on.
Because it's bollox.
" Electromagnetic hypersensitivity (EHS) is a claimed sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, to which negative symptoms are attributed. EHS has no scientific basis and is not a recognised medical diagnosis."
You could leave 10 wireless routers under his bed and they wouldn't notice a thing, so you are forced to pander to such nonsense. Can you think of other circumstances where you have to pander to bollox, at the expense of your own sensibilities ?. Apply those here.
As such it pretty much amounts to convincing a vulnerable individual- In this case a child, that there is something wrong or different about him, which will impact the child's growth and mental well being. In my book this amounts to child abuse and we shouldn't pander to it.
A wireless signal extends some 30m around its source, and in todays wireless society, this means there are hundreds of overlapping circles which itself means were are pretty much immersed in these signals. So due to the house next door having wireless the renting family are bathed in EMF. Even at home, in their own surroundings they are inside emitted signal circles, which apparently they dont notice. Bit odd that.
I'd a friend who does internet security bring one of his receivers to the house a few moons back. Set it up in my livingroom to scan for other peoples wireless signals and found about 20.
OP: Do you often rent out your holiday cottage on the pretence of being sensitive to your clients needs, whilst at the same time publicly ridiculing them online forum?
I hate to break it to you, but pretence is the mantra of the tourism/service/hospitality industry.
That jovial landlord who you think made has his day made up when you walked in.....he thinks you are knob and and would far rather be sat in front of corrie with a bag of revels than serving you.
But all the records for longevity are held by people who lived in wifi-free environments as children
This requires more appreciation.
The thing is that
Your client has advised you that his son is hyper sensitive to EMf
is a bit like him saying "my son is hypersensitive to people around him wearing contact lenses".
Do EMF and contact lenses exist? Yes.
Is it possible to exclude them from his immediate environment? To a certain extent.
Would it be mildly inconvenient to accommodate this? Yes.
Is there any scientific way that pandering to this kind of request could create any real benefit to him? No.
Would pretending to switch off all the local sources of EMF/hiding the fact you're wearing contact lenses behind a set of plain glasses have the same psychological effect? Yes.
Can you think of other circumstances where you have to pander to bollox, at the expense of your own sensibilities ?
Yes.
- Any and all religions. You can believe in stuff and force it on others that would get you sectioned in any other circumstances.
- Followers of food fads / self diagnosed allergy sufferers. Like the couple we invited for dinner only to discover each of them was into different but mutually exclusive food fads. Oh what a fun and educational dinner than was.
Used to work with someone who believed the work WiFi gave him migraines. Perfectly rational chap except for this, pretty sure he’s got the latest iPhone too so can only imagine he’s now on 5G. Made me think of Better Call Saul.
I hate to break it to you, but pretence is the mantra of the tourism/service/hospitality industry.
That jovial landlord who you think made has his day made up when you walked in…..he thinks you are knob and and would far rather be sat in front of corrie with a bag of revels than serving you.
It might be the case for you but that is not the case for everyone involved in tourism.
If you feel like that all the time then I would suggest you find another way to supplement your income. Can't be healthy.
Whilst you’re all laughing this is taken seriously in France. Some people are recognised as being sensitive with medical diagnosis.
I'd like to see actual cited evidence for this, in it's absence I'll put it in the same box as "wind turbine syndrome", that is non existent crap made up by opaque "research groups" backed up with self cited pseudoscience that no [field relevant] (we all know the Lancet has it's moments) journal worth reading would publish.
It is entirely possible to have a perfectly pleasant time working in tourism, enjoying the company of many, and pandering to the oddballs. As we do. It's does not however mean you fall for their guff or are incapable of keeping up a pretence of affability/understanding in their company.
He's admitted he thought the reset lever inside the key safe was some kind of hook for the keys. I'm a thousand combinations in...it might take some time.
@convert you need a small strip of metal to feel the resistance of the tumblers. Check YouTube for several how to’s.
This post reminds me so much of the school playground, just because someone is different it should not make you a target for other peoples fun.
Awwwww diddums.
You might not want to go in a shop then, I can guarantee you that all retail workers dislike you while having to have a front of pleasantness and a big smile.
@convert you need a small strip of metal to feel the resistance of the tumblers. Check YouTube for several how to’s.
oh, ta. I was clearly too clean living and honest as a youth.
@convert you need a small strip of metal to feel the resistance of the tumblers. Check YouTube for several how to’s.
but please dont use any WIFI to do this cos.. you know
But all the records for longevity are held by people who lived in wifi-free environments as children.
and drank water loaded with plasticisers, smoked tabs, and breathed leaded petrol fumes.
what's your point?
what’s your point?
humour I believe 😉
singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/wifi-4g-5g-nut-jobs-nod-ding-to-their-twoddle-sagely/page/2/#post-11905392
And the children growing up in a WiFi era are yet to get old. I predict we'll see the same percentage getting to an equivalent age.
I’m a thousand combinations in...
Presumably he's taking his turn to find the combination? Personally I'd be doing so out of embarrassment, but if my car keys were in there too all the more reason! 🙄
I’m a thousand combinations in...
Presumably he's taking his turn to find the combination? Personally I'd be doing so out of embarrassment, but if my car keys were in there too all the more reason! 🙄
Presumably he’s taking his turn to find the combination? Personally I’d be doing so out of embarrassment, but if my car keys were in there too all the more reason! 🙄
I took Piknmix's advice above (I am now looking at their username in a different context! A lock picker?), fashioned a thin 'feeler' out of an old sprite can from the recycling bin and......am now ready for the life of a master criminal! So easy. Scarily easy.
What do they do about the giant yellow EMF emitter in the sky, that is so powerful, it's radiation will actually burn you...
Ah but that's natural and doesn't emit in the harmful frequencies.
It might be the case for you but that is not the case for everyone involved in tourism.
Maybe not everyone but a large proportion of hospitality staff are there to put jam on the table and will be professional enough not to let their true feelings show.
and will be professional enough not to let their true feelings show.
But surely it's better to vent anonymously on t'internet after you've smiled and accommodated your guests?
Maybe not everyone but a large proportion of hospitality staff are there to put jam on the table and will be professional enough not to let their true feelings show.
True story of two comment cards left in the restaurant:
"Could you tell the front of house staff to smile more, they look miserable"
Followed by....
"Can you tell the front to house staff to stop smiling, he looks like he's killed someone"
I think some people massively overestimate the capacity for minimum wage staff in hospitality to put up with their bull**** 🤣. They don't, they just joke about you behind your back.
What do they do about the giant yellow EMF emitter in the sky, that is so powerful, it’s radiation will actually burn you…
Ah but that’s natural and doesn’t emit in the harmful frequencies.
i heard it gives you cancer. I'd like it turned off please.
Whilst you’re all laughing this is taken seriously in France.
When my daughter suffered an avulsion fracture snowboarding in France the docteur who saw her prescribed homeopathic medication. To my ever lasting shame I got the prescription filled. Obviously this is just a scam as the insurance paid for it. It shouldn’t be used as evidence that homeopathy works, just that french ski resort clinics are there to make money from tourists.
just that french ski resort clinics are there to make money from tourists.
but you can pay with water that has a memory of money
But surely it’s better to vent anonymously on t’internet after you’ve smiled and accommodated your guests?
If that was aimed at me (OP), I'd recommend you go back and reread. No venting there.
I said...."Some people make playing at life very hard for themselves.". It was more a commentary on the life some people set themselves up to lead, not the faff and hassle they have given me (not a lot in truth). If I come across as a bit condescending and superior, then fair enough - mia culpa. But I'm not too bothered with that as an accusation truth be told when the opinions I'm commenting on behind their backs have crossed the line (imo) from quirky to oddball.