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he’s watched me get out of the car and walk over to the air machine
Whilst thinking to himself "What's the prick up to? I've been waiting to use that! That's not the system! He's not even in a car!"
he’s watched me get out of the car and walk over to the air machine
Whilst thinking to himself “What’s the prick up to? I’ve been waiting to use that! That’s not the system! He’s not even in a car!”
Most probably.
And all to save 50p ...
Because that's why you jumped out wasn't it ?
The last person hadn't used up all their time and you thought you'd get in there quick and get your tyres pumped up without paying.
You got everything you deserved .... 50p man 50p
lol
Erm nope it's a free machine ?
Alright alright .... keep your shirt on
The phone thing. Meh, no reason to get wound up.
The car thing, you should have dragged him out his car and slammed his head in door until he got the message it's not ok to use your car as a weapon and if you do you better be prepared to kill me with it.
So in the first case you over-reacted, in the second you under-reacted.
It should be noted I do have anger issues.
Wasn’t that door slamming thing a Vinny Jones thing?
[s] Bullet Tooth Tony [/s] Big Cris but It wasn’t for someone breaking the tyre inflator system.
Assertive and polite with a menacing stare works well (think winston wolf)
Loosing your rag doesn’t 😉
Wasn’t that door slamming thing a Vinny Jones thing?
Never claimed to be one for originality. I remember once telling group of friends about what would happen if a particular unfortunate circumstance occurred. They told me it sounded more like a fantasy rather than what I would actually do.
An unfortunate encounter with a group of arseholes happened in the pub one night and my friends decided to take what I said a bit more seriously after that. I get this weird feeling of calm descend once I've decided what I'm going to do. I get this wonderful feeling of clarity of purpose that modern life almost never affords me and all questions of 'should I or shouldn't I' disappear and there's only the objective left. It's such a pure unambiguous feeling there's nothing else like it.
Stress followed by valium and whisky may be having an effect on tonight's posts. I'm going to bed now.
The BP garage near us has the same arrangement for air, water, etc.
Never have I thought there's any form of system that involved parking in the next bay and then shuffling sideways.
How would anyone know if the car in the next door bay is waiting for air or just visiting the shop?
Seems like the guy waiting by the pumps then driving in was doing the right thing.
And the phone thing is just rubbish.
Your wife may have a point - she sees you from a perspective that you can't see.
Don't get angry about stuff, it's not worth it.
Sounds like your wife is pissed at you for something, perhaps a deeper convo required on that. Pointing out your anger issue is just a way of getting it out there.
I was at the petrol station the other day. I'd been sat there for five minutes waiting to use the air line, the person using it finally drove off and before I could move into position some bloke jumped out of a parked car, started waving his arms about and ranting about some "system" he'd dreamt up. Then he actually physically blocked off my access by standing in front of my car so that his wife could ponce about dollying her car in front of mine!
don't try and fight the "system", ever.
For pumping up tyres I just use my Joe Blow bike pump and a digital tyre gauge too.
Fist incident - you were a totally over aggressive arse. Why do you get off on shouting at young women?? Sad.
Think about what you actually wanted to achieve? Did you just want the lady to come off her phone and understand the dangers? If so, why didn't you walk over, smile and explain polity?
Did you want to make yourself feel like the big I am and get some frustration out of your system and shout at someone who was unlikely to come over and give you a thump....?
I feel it is more the latter...
Second thing - it is 50/50. How do you know he wasn't lurking waiting to use the air? Your shuffle system isn't a nationwide thing! And in his mind you jumped out and blocked his way? Obvs he was an arse to drive at you, but seems you met someone who was just like you.
If only it had been BruceWee in the other car 😃
To answer the OP tell her to **** off and break some ornaments. That’ll show her that you’re not angry!
In the two instances you’ve described I wouldn’t have done anything for the first one. The rule is just plain stupid to start with.
The second one I’m ashamed to say I’d have become very angry at the point of almost being run over and would probably have done something regrettable. Then again it wouldn’t have got that far as I’d just shrug and ignore them at the beginning.
Ah, excellent, the armchair safety engineers are out in force. Just a quick newsflash, DSEAR zones are not created for shits and giggles. Quite often the reason you can get away with breaking safety rules is because the rest of the system is functioning as intended. As soon as the system is breached (in this case, if a leak or spillage was to occur or a tanker was discharging or the electronic device had a loose connection) then all bets are off. Petroleum spirit is not to be ****ed with. OP is well within his rights to ask someone to have consideration.
Trouble is I’m sick of doing that and letting people walk all over me.
From someone who has similar feelings for things that wind me up it sounds like this is the bigger issue. Quite often we say and do things that seem completely reasonable but other people see differently. It sounds like you need to have a calm conversation with your wife and see exactly what her concerns are. It's not easy letting go of things when you feel like you are in the right but sometimes you do need to let things go. If it needs addressing then do it calmly. Easy to say, not so easy in practice.
I'm sure that there are many valid reasons for not using a phone whilst pumping fuel. But I highly doubt that "risk of explosion" is one of them. If that were the case we wouldn't be allowed anywhere near petrol pumps, we'd have countrywide attendant service.
It's all to do with people paying attention to the task in hand or not being antisocial ****s. See also, interfering with hospital equipment and making planes fall out of the sky.
Yours, an armchair expert.
@cougar the risk of explosion is exactly the reason why they say no mobile phones. Whilst filling stations are not Atex rated, they do need to ensure that vapours have the least potential to ignite. Mobile phones can cause static sparking especially near a filling nozzle. You will have noticed the vapours when you fill up, they are a very real danger. Cars themselves, although potentially spark ignition are sufficiently shielded to avoid spark with vapou. by virtue of you holding the pump and phone at the same time, the proximity is easily close enough to cause a bang moment! Remember buncfield, the vapour from the overfill was caused by the spark of a non Atex bit of kit (alarm I think initially) being triggered... That was a big boom moment..
Is this still going? I'm guessing that these particular incidents aren't the problem. If you have 'a word' with people once a month then that's quite normal. If you have to explain to other people why they are wrong on a daily basis then she might think you have issues even though any one isolated incident isn't very much
Which is it?
@cougar the risk of explosion is exactly the reason why they say no mobile phones.
Bollocks it is. Not unless it's faulty and spontaneously combusts in your hand, which I'm sure you'll agree is a totally common occurrence. It's probably safer in your hand even, it's way more likely to go bang whilst plugged into a 99p 12V charger in your car. Pissing petrol everywhere because you're worrying away at Facebook however, I can readily see that being a considerable risk.
Remember buncfield, the vapour from the overfill was caused by the spark of a non Atex bit of kit (alarm I think initially)
So not a phone but something else entirely, then?
Find me one (real) example of a phone starting a fire on a forecourt. Never happened, it's an urban myth. (The 'static sparking' hogwash being a persistent one from like two decades ago).
I’m sure that there are many valid reasons for not using a phone whilst pumping fuel. But I highly doubt that “risk of explosion” is one of them. If that were the case we wouldn’t be allowed anywhere near petrol pumps, we’d have countrywide attendant service.
It’s all to do with people paying attention to the task in hand or not being antisocial ****. See also, interfering with hospital equipment and making planes fall out of the sky.
Yours, an armchair expert.
I'm siding with Squirrelking and Sui here - we have ethanol storage rooms where we cannot take electronic devices because of a potentially explosive atmosphere.
The risk of it occurring is probably infinitesimally small though.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/static-electricity-pump-fires/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fuelish-pleasures/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cell-phone-explosion-gas-station/
https://www.wired.com/2003/03/cell-phone-fires-a-lot-of-static/
https://www.howitworksdaily.com/should-you-never-use-your-mobile-phone-at-a-petrol-station/
https://www.protectyourgadget.com/blog/myths-debunked-using-your-mobile-phone-at-a-petrol-station/
https://blogthinkbig.com/why-is-the-use-of-mobile-phones-at-petrol-stations-prohibited
And many, many more. Mythbusters have done at least one sketch on it, deliberately trying (and failing) to ignite vapours. The only "static" ignitions have been (largely in the US) when people have left the pump running and got back in their cars for some reason, something that isn't possible here because you can't lock the pumps on. I don't think it's actually possible to ignite petrol with a lit cigarette even, though I'm not sure as I'd want to test that theory!
we have ethanol storage rooms where we cannot take electronic devices because of a potentially explosive atmosphere.
So not a petrol station but something else entirely, then?
Could be a risk, I don't know anything about the environment. Could be a perceived risk and it's simpler just to have a ban. Could be as I said above, they just don't want people tossing about on mobiles when around hazardous materials.
I'll be sure to pass on your evidence to our EHS team, when I walk into our external solvent tank farm at work tomorrow with my phone, and get my jotters for doing so.
If there's no risk, why do we have to spend 2 grand on ATEX phones? In fact, why is there any DSEAR or ATEX regulations at all?....
Cougar - as I said it's when a fault situation occurs that you're more likely to have a problem. That may be a very small risk but it's a preventable risk nonetheless and failure to take reasonable precautions would be a gross failure of Health and Safety. See the Bird Triangle and more so the Swiss Cheese model.
And like Nobeer I'm not sure how long I'd remain employed if I didn't conform to DSEAR regs where I work.
If there’s no risk
I've no idea whether there's a risk or not in that particular situation (and have no way of knowing), I just said as much. Rather my point is that you're comparing apples and oranges. It's like arguing that owning a cat is dangerous because people get eaten by tigers.
The primary danger from mobile phones on a garage forecourt (hospital, aeroplane, etc) is people being distracted. Any technological risk is vanishingly small in comparison. How many reports have you heard of phones spontaneously igniting in someone's pocket?
If there were a genuine realistic hazard then restrictions would be far greater and would be more aggressively enforced.
U iz da man
Hard to argue with such a robust rebuttal.
We've enough actual risks to deal with without making shit up and parroting it as fact. This isn't Facebook.
How many reports have you heard of phones spontaneously igniting in someone’s pocket?
Well there was that issue with Samsung.
😬
The primary danger from mobile phones on a garage forecourt (hospital, aeroplane, etc) is people being distracted. Any technological risk is vanishingly small in comparison. How many reports have you heard of phones spontaneously igniting in someone’s pocket?
If there were a genuine realistic hazard then restrictions would be far greater and would be more aggressively enforced.
This.
Apart from anything else all cars have a whopping great 12V battery and petrol cars have HT ccts designed to create, errrr, sparks. In olden days there was a dizzy cap and points with an actual spark open to the air many times a second.
Moreover phones aren't banned from forecourts, just use of phones is banned. Hard to see why me checking FB causes more sparks than be just having the phone in a pocket.
If there was a spill I would be far more concerned about the potentially 300-600c exhaust system just a short distance from the ground than the slim chance of a weak spark somehow escaping from a reasonably sealed phone case.
I was at the petrol station the other day. I’d been sat there for five minutes waiting to use the air line, the person using it finally drove off and before I could move into position some bloke jumped out of a parked car, started waving his arms about and ranting about some “system” he’d dreamt up. Then he actually physically blocked off my access by standing in front of my car so that his wife could ponce about dollying her car in front of mine!
Coincidentally I was at a petrol station to pump up my tyres the other day too. I signalled my intent to use the air hose using my usual "system" - standing the other side of the road wearing a green hat. Imagine my astonishment when two other air hose users ignored my green hat signal and started squabbling over the air hose.
Astonishingly that's not the first time my clear and unambiguous system has been ignored by other motorists. Makes me really angry.
From your previous posting history I thought you had an indecisiveness issue not an anger management issue so I say bravo to you sir . You saw people doing things that they weren't supposed to do and you acted decisively . Too many people just ignore people doing things that they aren't supposed to do and the world is worse for it . It doesn't matter if you can blow up a filling station with a mobile phone or not if you want to use the facilities then you should obey the rules . The other incident the chap was just trying it on.folk on here were not there , you were so ignore their comments .
folk on here were not there
No, but the OP's wife was:
My wife thinks I have anger issues and that I’ve embarrassed her
I’ll be sure to pass on your evidence to our EHS team, when I walk into our external solvent tank farm at work tomorrow with my phone, and get my jotters for doing so.
Out of curiosity, do they check your clothing for static potential?
I can't believe the mobile phone thing is still around. You need an ideal vapour air ratio, which is next to impossible to get in an outdoor setting, you need a gap of about .5mm for the arc to jump across and you need about 50 Va, which modern mobiles would struggle with.
The real danger will definitely come from wearing man made fibres, in dry conditions, and not touching the exterior of your vehicle after you've exited. You don't see people chasing off anyone wearing nylon at the filling station.
I get this weird feeling of calm descend once I’ve decided what I’m going to do. I get this wonderful feeling of clarity of purpose that modern life almost never affords me and all questions of ‘should I or shouldn’t I’ disappear and there’s only the objective left. It’s such a pure unambiguous feeling there’s nothing else like it.
Stress followed by valium and whisky may be having an effect on tonight’s posts. I’m going to bed now.
Fairly common experience with thrill seekers, there is a reason why substance abuse seems to go hand in hand with it and certain professions.
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Note that it says "Pay In Car" rather than forecourt. Makes you think.
You don’t see people chasing off anyone wearing nylon at the filling station.
I did see someone in a shell suit being told to "**** Off!" by the staff at an Esso garage but that may have been for shoplifting.
Hard to argue with such a robust rebuttal.
Just canny really be arsed with arguing with one of the STW know-everythings to be honest mate, fire away. Ahem.
How many reports have you heard of phones spontaneously igniting in someone’s pocket?
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=phone+combust+pocket&s=g
Oh look, phones can spontaneously explode with shitty batteries, who knew?
As said, those regulations don't exist for nothing, by circumventing those rules you are removing a safety barrier. I'd say crack on but it's not just your own life you would be risking so kindly stop being so stubborn and educate yourself with actual industrial safety rather than "some bloke on the who makes nice film props said". Ive already posted the reasoning on this.
It's like the whole arc flash thing, nobody I know has ever seen a switch explode but we make damn sure if we ever have to throw a live isolator it's done in full nomex. Just because it's unlikely to happen doesn't mean it can't.
Out of curiosity, do they check your clothing for static potential?
Well we wear anti-static coveralls and boots as standard so I guess so. Although as we all know PPE is a last resort for when all other measures have failed.
Sounds like a few people on here have anger issues too 😂
From the OP at the bottom of page 2:
Anyway cheers for the replies. It’s been interesting.
No, no, no, no, no - you didn't really think you were going to get away after just two pages of comedy gold, did you?
Note that it says “Pay In Car” rather than forecourt. Makes you think.
That doesn’t read as an instruction, more like ‘look you don’t even have to walk the twenty paces to the till’.
It doesn’t say ‘Pay in car with windows closed and roof up.’
I did see someone in a shell suit being told to “**** Off!” by the staff at an Esso garage
Well, they are the competition, aren't they?
The shell garage I use has a QR banner by the pump for you to pay & go. I also has a no mobile sign.
The shell garage I use has a QR banner by the pump for you to pay & go.
Yup lots have the QR to pay at pump and Apple Pay on some newer ones.
Oh look, phones can spontaneously explode with shitty batteries, who knew?
But it’s fine to have a phone in your pocket when refuelling.
Well we wear anti-static coveralls and boots as standard so I guess so. Although as we all know PPE is a last resort for when all other measures have failed.
Yes but PPE is personal protective equipment, not safe in the environment equipment. I have first-hand experience of an industry which deals with things far more likely to go bang than petrol, and they require clothing, right down to underwear and socks, to be only the ones issued. There was a fatal accident when someone ignored the policy.
So if I was your EHS team I'd be checking your kaks before I checked your phone.
Well, they are the competition, aren’t they?
Brilliant 😀
There was a fatal accident when someone ignored the policy.
Pants on fire?
Also: Martinhutch - chapeau 🙂
Yes but PPE is personal protective equipment, not safe in the environment equipment. I have first-hand experience of an industry which deals with things far more likely to go bang than petrol, and they require clothing, right down to underwear and socks, to be only the ones issued. There was a fatal accident when someone ignored the policy.
So if I was your EHS team I’d be checking your kaks before I checked your phone.
Well, yes, PPE isn't safe for the environment unless you get told to wear PPE appropriate for the environment. Like anti-static for DSEAR, PVC for certain wet environments etc.
I'm not sure what materials you have experience with but I find it difficult to believe they would be so particular about your clothing and not whether the electronic equipment you carry is intrinsically safe.
Full disclosure, I'm not an industrial safety engineer but I am an engineer by trade and have worked in both the petrochemical (shipping) and power generation industries which have plenty of hard won experience in dealing with these risks themselves.
From the OP at the bottom of page 2:
Anyway cheers for the replies. It’s been interesting.
No, no, no, no, no – you didn’t really think you were going to get away after just two pages of comedy gold, did you?
The first comedy I thought of when I read this thread was the Divine.
Well done martinhutch:-)