[Closed] Why do we still use yds on road signs??

Secretary of State made them use miles and yards

If you get rid of yards you get rid of miles?

To expensive to change everything to metric so we are stuck in the past.

Can't do it gradually as our road signs don't specify the units, just the number.

It's not that dissimilar to a metre. Do you know how far a metre is?

Because could you imagine the volume to crap that would erupt from the press, the whingers, the fogies and the knobends if we tried to do something sensible like to properly metric and us km and km/h?

Do you know how far a metre is?

3 hogs heads?

Ok.. 500yds is 457.2m or 0.28 miles. Really useful measurement yards are.

You can't get rid of Scotland yard.

Quite, the point is 500yds is about 500m, or a little bit less. Just put your indicator on sooner than you thought you were going to have to.

Because we're British. Let's have less of that European nonsense in here... We also drive on the right side of the road and serve beer in pints. Imagine asking for 568ml of a pub's best bitter? Just wouldn't sound right! 😉

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You can't get rid of Scotland yard.

Not even from the 19th of September?

Ha Ha! See, I'm fine, I can do both cos I was brought up in Imperial but have also learned metric. 1.61 or .62 are the magic numbers! You should know both cos theyr'e gonna be around for a while.

Because we're Britain. I kinda like the quirky nature of out little island with stuff like this.

If we weren't such a raging jingofest who views the rest of the world as something to be conquered or viewed with intolerence ,Britain would be quite sweet. Our funny little habits like driving on the left or measuring something in yards and others in miles and stones. How lovely is the stone? It's based on some ancient roman brick IIRC but we still cling onto it. So cute.

We could of course go all global and use precise tens, hundreds and thousands to measure everything but how boring is that? I'm happy to continue to resist the global spread of metrication just to retain some individuality. The Americans are sticking to their ridiculous mm/dd/yy nonsense, lets stick to our stones and yards.

As above, huge national expense to make the switch, doing a half arsed combo of both would be confusing, so successive govs stick with what we have. Also as said, it might probably be hugely unpopular and a poisoned chalice re voters. Changing from gallons to litres was fine as the cost was mostly put upon and spread between private companies (same with food changing from lbs/oz to gms/kgs). I think, going on past history, it would be safe to assume, if British roads were mostly privately owned and run, a UK gov might have at some point enforced the switch to km by now.

500 yds. Easy to visualise - a par 5. Accurate enough for most purposes. Or has been said already for roadsign use close enough to 500M.

So for the OP the attraction is half a Km away (roughly).

We put up a road sign once in metres instead of yds and got a sh&tty letter from the "campaign against metrification" telling us we were breaking the law and to change it.

Crazy.

This was in the New Forest mind so I guess I wasn't surprised considering other recent NF threads....

Actually, NASA use imperial measurements for everything. Not only because they are North American but also because 0.33333333 recurring is a very long way out when calculating things like hooking into a planet's orbit for gravitational acceleration.

Imperial may be cute, but it's a damn site more accurate for inter stellar travel 😉

[i]A par 5[/i]

That's even better. Use obscure sporting references to detail distances. That'll confuse Jerry.

'Oh, just head down the high street for a good six, turn left and then follow that road until you've reached the end of the 7th hole at Dundonald. Turn right and the hotel will be a free kick away from you.

Now that you know the attraction near you is 457.2m, or 0.28 miles, are you going to bother having a look ?

Actually, NASA use imperial measurements for everything.

[url= http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter ]Apparently not for everything...[/url]

The Americans are sticking to their ridiculous mm/dd/yy nonsense, lets stick to our stones and yards.

A yard the distance white vans are set to follow you at.

nickdavies - Member
Because we're British. Let's have less of that European nonsense in here... We also drive on the right side of the road

We do?

Think he means 'correct'.

I particularly like this yardage sign - if you don't get it ask someone older

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If they put the sign on the other side of the road, they could've called it a mile

We have to use metric inches when working in the US.... Ten of those to a foot... Makes perfect sense 😐

Actually, NASA use imperial measurements for everything. Not only because they are North American but also because 0.33333333 recurring is a very long way out when calculating things like hooking into a planet's orbit for gravitational acceleration.

Imperial may be cute, but it's a damn site more accurate for inter stellar travel

Not really, they're only ways of measuring the same thing. And 5/16ths of an inch is no more accurate if you actually meant 5.1/16.

I love using imperial. There's nothing wrong with it. Do you want Britain to become exactly like every other country, or continue to enjoy some form of culture and uniqueness?

We can't help it if the rest of the world is wrong.

American pint is smaller than UK pint so drinks are smaller - and gallons of gas too.

lets be bland, lets all be the same as every country. Why don't we all eat the same, I'm sick of try to work out what to order. Why can't we all just say I'll have a Happy Meal.

OK.. well why not just put 0.3 miles instead of 500 yds.
Much easier to measure on your speedo display or satnav. I dont know what cars you lot drive that display distances in yds..

We could do what the Irish did and introduce it gradually. Cycle touring in the tail end of the 20th Century was puzzling, heading for Skibereen say, you'd pass a sign saying 'Skibereen 17', a while later you'd pass another one saying 'Skibereen 18', leading to a frantic map check before realising that one sign was in miles the other in km!!

cloudnine when you approach a junction do you stare at your odometer to ensure you countdown the precise metres to the turning to make sure you don't land in a hedge, or do you, in fact, use the roadsign as a rough guide 'the turnoff is probably in about 15 seconds' and then use your eyes to take the junction? Genuine question... this is how people use roadsigns, and it doesn't matter if they show 500m, yards or decimal points of a mile (which is a total oxymoron by the way).

Prob not many folk can measure in yards, or metres for that.

Would be better if signs said 'just round the bend' or 'beside the field of cows'.

I decided to set my Garmin in metric as though appropriate for a roadie. Does now mean that when I'm asked about how far I've ridden I do a conversion back to miles before answering.

[i]We could do what the Irish did and introduce it gradually. Cycle touring in the tail end of the 20th Century was puzzling, heading for Skibereen say, you'd pass a sign saying 'Skibereen 17', a while later you'd pass another one saying 'Skibereen 18', leading to a frantic map check before realising that one sign was in miles the other in km!![/i]

We could introduce driving on the right hand side like that too. On day 1 all lorries drive on the right, on day 2 cars do it too.

Seems perfect really, 500 yards is a nice round figure, easy to remember

imagine if every time someone asked directions they had to say 'go past the junction and we're four hundred and fifty seven point two metres along the road, on your left'

There was a cracking bit on NASA TV a few years back.

They were trying to install something on the ISS and the American instructions gave measurements in foot/pounds. The only torque wrench they could find was Russian which was calibrated in Newtons/metre. So the astronauts had to wait while somebody on the ground went away and did the conversion calculations for them.

One of the astronauts can be heard to say "I cannot believe we are having this conversation in the 21st century".

I've got no idea how far a kilometre is. If I see a distance in KM, my brain swiftly converts it to miles so it know if it's a long way or not, and roughly how long it's going to take to get there.

Also, my motorbike apparently does 3.3l/100km

Is that good or bad? Who knows....?

But if I tell you that's 85mpg, then everyone on this thread knows instantly that's very good indeed. 🙂

I think it's great - you automatically think "well, a yard is about a metre", but it makes everything a little bit closer than you thought it was.

In Maine, helping my uncle repair his old BMW, I went into a small town hardware store and asked for a M6 tap. The old man behind the counter really said "You're not from 'round here, are you?" 😉

[i] You can't get rid of Scotland yard.

Not even from the 19th of September? [/i]

I think it becomes New Scotland Yard after that.

American pint is smaller than UK pint so drinks are smaller

It would be if drinks were ever served in pints, which they aren't IME (aside from in "English bars" for novelty value). Common is ounces, which of course is different again from our Imperial fluid ounces, or just "small / large". One of the first times I went to a bar in the US I tried to order a pint, and after a bit of confused discussion the bartender went, "oh, you mean a schooner!"

Americans barely use metric for anything,

"Cups." Argh!

The bizarre thing is, if I'm doing some DIY, I'll use whatever measurement seems easiest. So if I need to measure the size of the back yard to work out how many slabs I need, and it's closer to 4x5m than 4x5 yards, I'll use the meters. If I'm putting up a shelf and it looks right 12 inches from the ceiling, I'll use inches. But then I might find the brackets are 500mm apart, and attach them to the wall with 2in screws, with a hole drilled by an 8mm drill!
I might need a new tyre on the motorbike, and I'll remove the wheel by undoing a 16mm bolt to enable the fitting of a 17in tyre...... (Does ANYONE use metric wheel sizes on cars and motorbikes? Do they even exist?)

Wheel sizes are a whole can of worms - on bikes:

There are two 16", almost 2" different.
Same with 20", two sizes almost 2" different.
17" is bigger than 18"
29" is the same as 28"
Both are smaller than 27"
Etc...

The French have started calling larger beer measures "pints" in some bars - but they are 500ml!! not only that but they cost about £7 a go

same reason the put clearances in feet.

not sure what that is though.

what I don't understand is why some road gradients are given in fractions and others in percentages.

I'm amazed that on a cycling forum you're complaining about metric/imperial.
Have you never had to buy a spare part for your bike? Seatposts in 0.2mm increments, gear measurements in imperial (72" fixed anyone?), road frame sizes in cm, MTB sizes in inches, suspension in inches out the back and mm in front (that's gradually changing to be mm all round actually), bar width in mm but the headset in inches.

Wheel size in inches or a bizarre number that no-one really understands like 700c or 650b. Road tyres in mm, MTB ones in inches...

A roadsign should be easy by comparison! Driving in France once, a mate said he preferred km cos they went by quicker so the journey felt faster. 🙂

gear measurements in imperial (72" fixed anyone?)

Worse than that, it's not even measuring the distance you travel for one pedal rotation, as our Continental cousins do - it's measuring the equivalent Penny Farthing wheel diameter 😉

The bizarre thing is, if I'm doing some DIY, I'll use whatever measurement seems easiest. So if I need to measure the size of the back yard to work out how many slabs I need, and it's closer to 4x5m than 4x5 yards, I'll use the meters. If I'm putting up a shelf and it looks right 12 inches from the ceiling, I'll use inches. But then I might find the brackets are 500mm apart, and attach them to the wall with 2in screws, with a hole drilled by an 8mm drill!

I do exactly that - I expect we're the same age or similar? - only, I'll occasionally mix them in the same measurement. "16 inches and 5mm" isn't an unusual measurement in my head, and easier to remember (and visualise) for me than 414mm.

(Does ANYONE use metric wheel sizes on cars and motorbikes? Do they even exist?)

It did happen briefly. The Metro had metric wheel sizes when launched originally (315mm). BMW and Ferrari also used them.
They didn't last.
Everyone now uses imperial sizes again.

Worse than that, it's not even measuring the distance you travel for one pedal rotation, as our Continental cousins do - it's measuring the equivalent Penny Farthing wheel diameter

that arguments been had on here before, I think it was decided that it's not actualy confusing at all as any measurment in inches is a wheel size, meters is the development, no one gives development in inches or wheel size in meters.

Does ANYONE use metric wheel sizes on cars and motorbikes? Do they even exist?

Does ANYONE use metric wheel sizes on cars and motorbikes? Do they even exist?

It sort of wouldn't matter if you did or didn't. From any viewpoint other that the design stage of the wheel/tyre you only need to know the size for the purpose of identification, so you could call it 205/55/16, you could have metric equivalents of all those numbers or you could just call it a 'Size F' as the information is just used to confirm that two items are the same size and that one item will fit another. Nobody is going to have to measure, alter, increase or reduce the size of the tyre, and aside from a few geeks nobody is going to a replace a tyre with anything other than one the same size, so what increments its described in isn't of much relevance.

Does ANYONE use metric wheel sizes on cars and motorbikes?

ferrari, jag and maybe bmw did in the 80s - dunno about anymore.

The French have started calling larger beer measures "pints" in some bars - but they are 500m

i was offered a pint in some tourist trap spanish airport. what came out was a behemoth of a drink - which must have been a litre!

France, and presumably other countries have their own pre-metric measurement systems as well as old fashioned currency systems, much like the British ones. They just got rid of them a lot earlier. So stuff like livre and pouce still have meaning, and umm, sou I think the word is.

Also, my motorbike apparently does 3.3l/100km

Is that good or bad? Who knows....?

But if I tell you that's 85mpg, then everyone on this thread knows instantly that's very good indeed.

Yep 85mpg is a useful measure, but not so useful when I ask you how far that would get you on a tenners worth of fuel at 135.2p a litre. 😀

that arguments been had on here before, I think it was decided that it's not actualy confusing at all as any measurment in inches is a wheel size, meters is the development, no one gives development in inches or wheel size in meters.

Oh yes, you can't confuse the two - but I often have conversations with people about gearing for their bike, and I always start with "do you know about gear inches?"

If they say yes, then it's simple - if it's no, then I have to explain that "it's a measurement of gearing that dates from the days of Penny Farthings - don't worry about what the numbers mean, just use them to compare one system to another".

And for added confusion, wheel width is imperial, wheel offset is metric! Will 14x6 with 30mm offset fit in my wheelarches designed for 13x5.5 with 20mm offset, I've not **** clue!

Compared to the 13x5.5, the 14x6 will have an inner rim which is 16.4mm closer to the suspension strut. The outer rim will poke out 3.7mm less than before.

If you changed from 175/65/13 tyres to 195/50/14 you could get the speedo error down to +1.29%

Personally, I would use 15mm hubcentric spacers which would only add 1.3mm to the inner rim but give you a nice 11.4mm of poke on the outer. And with 165/65/14 tyres a bit of stretch to tuck them in under the arches if needed. And a speedo error of -2.18 from standard.

😉

Yep 85mpg is a useful measure, but not so useful when I ask you how far that would get you on a tenners worth of fuel at 135.2p a litre.

Well. I'm a fuel geek and pretty good at mental arithmetic.
Fuel is around £1.30/l here which I happen to know is about £6/gallon (I just do OK!)
So that's a gallon and two thirds or round about 150 miles.

That's off the top of my head, I'll go away and do the sums properly now 🙂

**plays hold music**

EDIT

143.8 miles at £1.299. Not far off! 😀

[i]We could do what the Irish did and introduce it gradually. Cycle touring in the tail end of the 20th Century was puzzling, heading for Skibereen say, you'd pass a sign saying 'Skibereen 17', a while later you'd pass another one saying 'Skibereen 18', leading to a frantic map check before realising that one sign was in miles the other in km!! [/i]

AFAIK It was because if they put up an imperial sign they paid, whereas if it was metric the EU paid.

tbh I use which system is best for what I'm trying to do, whether it is volume, weight or length/height - although one thing I've learnt is that most folk seem unable to work in either...

Your geek is strong Peter 😀
But to me it makes a lot of sense to express fuel consumption using the same units fuel is sold in: litres.

In fact I think if we took it a step further and everyone's car just gave them a taxi-style display showing £s/mile and a trip total then we'd radically reduce pointless car journeys overnight.

Though somehow I doubt the car manufacturers will be queueing up to implement that one. 😆

Your geek is strong Peter

Why thank you...., 🙂

In fact I think if we took it a step further and everyone's car just gave them a taxi-style display showing £s/mile and a trip total then we'd radically reduce pointless car journeys overnight.

Agreed.
I run Road Trip app on my phone which does exact that.

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Your geek is stronger than I could have possibly imagined. 😆

I like the look of that, downloaded, cheers.

I think everyone I've ever had to ask "how far is...." while out and about has always answered in miles

I normally give directions in metres for the under 40's and yards for the OAPs
The numbers I use are completely bogus, along with the general directions, but the level of precision gives an air of authority which I think comforts people.

American pint is smaller than UK pint so drinks are smaller - and gallons of gas too.

And also when you buy a pint of Stans it's an American pint 16fl ozs not 20fl ozs . I'm surprised that doesn't contravine some law .

Other than that metric is a much better system and will be used eventually I'm sure . I'm old enough to remember when we went decimal for our currency , anybody fancy going back to 12 pence = 1 shilling , 20 shillings = 1 pound 240 pence to the pound half a crown = 2 and sixpence . What a ridiculous system .