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That's rather disingenuous. A loaded question like that suggests that I have argued the case for Trump to be Pres, when I have done nothing of the sort.
Not to be insulting (that's really not what I'm going for here) but, by leveling barrage after barrage of accusations at HRC (whom I also don't particularly care for, but hey....the devil you know and all that..) you give weight and credence to Trump's arguments (whatever they might be) thus lending support to his cause. By muddying the waters over what may turn out to be nothing more than a misdemeanor, one which she can't repeat in the Oval in any case, it gives succor to Trumps campaign, helping the rest of the world to slide further toward the tipping point.
If their economy fails, ours will fail faster and fall further as we have already taken a hit with Brexit and there's not much left that either the government of the BoE can do. We ALL
.have a horse in this race
hebdencyclist - Member
anti-Trumpers who are seeking to minimise Hilary's misdemeanours, with the view that "If you criticise Hilary, you must want Trump for President." It's dishonest.I wish neither of them were going to be President.
Agreed, but since one of them [u][b]IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT[/b][/u] people need to decide which it's going to be.
Personally, I'll take [i]Hilary's misdemeanors[/i] over Trump's megalomaniacal, petty, racist, misogynistic, ranting any day. One may be dishonest, but the other is equally dishonest but also deranged and VERY dangerous.
VERY dangerous.
I don't see Trump sabre rattling and threatening to attack Russia like Clinton has been
That email is old, old news, TFO:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/hillary-clinton-emails-nonsecure-gop-217510
and:
".....State Department spokesman John Kirby said officials see no indication the document was ever sent to the email account Clinton used, which was hosted on a private server.
“We did do some forensics on that and found no evidence it was actually emailed to her,” Kirby said at a daily news briefing on Friday. “We have found no indication that the document was emailed to former Secretary Clinton. There are other ways it could have found its way to her for her use."
Kirby also said the fact that the talking points were initially set to be sent via a secure system [b]did not necessarily mean they were classified.[/b]
I don't see Trump sabre rattling and threatening to attack Russia like Clinton has been
Isn't this a fundamental difference between the politician and businessman? We had an arms race because the politics demanded it, safe in the knowledge that neither side was going to press the button.
I don't feel safe in the knowledge that Trump can work this subtlety out.
Trump is a classic personality disorder. thats what makes him dangerous
Trump is a classic personality disorder. thats what makes him dangerous
Trump can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. But there's plenty on Hilary that leads me to believe she's both ruthless and dishonest.
Lesser of two evils. She is a misogynist and both her and her husband are greedy opportunists. What a choice.
I'm not up to speed on USA politics, but I get the impression that many of Barack Obama's plans have been thwarted by Congress. Is it likely that if Trump were elected President, many of his more extreme policies would be blocked? Would Trump or Clinton have more support than Obama, thus allowing them to proceed with impunity?
by leveling barrage after barrage of accusations at HRC you give weight and credence to Trump's arguments (whatever they might be) thus lending support to his cause.
So... by countering some oft-repeated and demonstrably false statements (whose purpose serves only to "muddy the waters", as you put it) with evidence, I am subjecting HRC to a barrage of accusations and therefore supporting Trump's arguments [i]whatever they might be[/i]? Lending support to his cause?
a) that's possibly the most ill-conceived argument I've ever read on here.
b) I don't know what STW's exposure is to undecided US voters, but I reckon it's safe to say this thread will not prove statistically significant when it comes to counting the vote.
Trump is a classic personality disorder. thats what makes him dangerous
You're right. I'd feel much safer knowing the leader of the free world was someone who can laugh and come up with a nice catchphrase about the death by bayonet-rape of someone...
So... by countering some oft-repeated and demonstrably false statements (whose purpose serves only to "muddy the waters", as you put it) with evidence, I am subjecting HRC to a barrage of accusations and therefore supporting Trump's arguments whatever they might be? Lending support to his cause?
a) that's possibly the most ill-conceived argument I've ever read on here.
Yep. It's the "If you're not with us, you're against us" fallacy. And it sickens me almost as much as Donald Trump sickens me.
I hate this whole coarse, polarized car-crash of a debate (not on STW - I mean the whole election debate) in which each side feels compelled to pretend their preferred candidate is a decent person who gives a flying **** about ordinary Americans.
death by bayonet-rape
You know what? I didn't know that was how he'd died. I thought the mob had beaten him to death.
Every day's a school day, as they say!
I hate this whole coarse, polarized car-crash of a debate (not on STW - I mean the whole election debate) in which each side feels compelled to pretend their preferred candidate is a decent person who gives a flying **** about ordinary Americans.
Indeed. Its fandom, rather than anything meaningful.
[EDIT] - Never mind, It's not worth it.
What, pray tell, have you countered with fact?
Well, all that pish you "allegedly" fixed by adding "allegedly" to for starters. It happened. It does not require conjecture. You claimed there were no classified emails found on her server. I linked a video of the Director of the FBI saying there were.
the devil incarnate is running for the Oval
Get a grip of yourself.
What do you aim to accomplish by posting negative issue stuff against HRC if not to get Trump elected
You seem to be stuck in the dichotomy of dislike x = like y, and it's not doing you any favours.
Is it not possible, that in highlighting the Clinton shennanigans (did we mention that the Clinton Foundation is also under investigation by the FBI yet?) she may stand aside and let someone more palatable run for the Democrats? Bernie Sanders would have had this wrapped up already, for instance. Someone who actually [i]has[/i] been fighting for equal rights since college, unlike Hillary...
Bernie Sanders would have had this wrapped up already
Oh, absolutely.
Jamba - you really need to read up a bit on Trumps past - racial profiling tenets, illegal evictions, groping women, him and his wife lying about her immigrations status etc etc
@tj I appreciate you may not read a lot if what I have posted but I have repeatedly said Hillary is appalling but Trump is worse. Hebden summed it up on the prior page with his nine-bob note vs lunatic.
The FBI found enough emails to make it worth formally re-opening their investigation.
Just over a week to go. I have no doubt there will be more sh.t to meet the fan on all sides
The FBI director in his limited press release confirmed that they contained classified and secret material, but not how it came to be there. Was it sent to her? Was it sent to her or by her? Was it comments on classified material or the material itself. The consensus seemed to be that if it had been HRC that'd put the information there or sent it to others, she'd have been prosecuted. She wasn't or at least hasn't been so far.
You seem to be stuck in the dichotomy of dislike x = like y, and it's not doing you any favours.
no, I'm not. What I'm saying is that a negative issue ad about X only helps Y, there's not really any middle ground as there's only 2 candidates.
Don't be insulting, it's been civil so far.
Is it not possible, that in highlighting the Clinton shennanigans she may stand aside and let someone more palatable run for the Democrats? Bernie Sanders would have had this wrapped up already, for instance.
In the two weeks remaining? You want to change the candidate and have them have any chance of succeeding?
Someone who actually has been fighting for equal rights since college, unlike Hillary...
Did you see her speech to her graduating class? Equal rights go beyond gay rights.
Trouble is Jamba you have repeatedly been shown to be talking total bobbins about Clinton - confusing opinion with fact. Whereas its fact about Trump not opinion
The FBI found enough emails to make it worth formally re-opening their investigation.
Decided to read then, hope there is something interesting otherwise another waste of time and money.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-four-ways-forward-for-clinton-after-the-fbi-news/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
If there is another decent Trump tape then I'd expect it shortly...
Don't be insulting, it's been civil so far.
Apologies.
Equal rights go beyond gay rights.
You can't be against gay rights and still claim to be for equal rights. It's paradoxical. I know she's changed her tune now (political expedience?) but she clearly hasn't been properly equal rights since before college.
And Bernie could switch for Clinton and wipe the floor with Trump, yes. I think it more likely that Tim Kaine would step up, given the DNC's documented campaign of collision against Bernie, but he's more of an unknown and would probably struggle.
That's all what-ifs though. It'll probably be Clinton, and she'll probably be less bad than Trump, and the world will keep turning.
Stuff like this probably doesn't help her . . . .
To be fair, The Donald is no better...
Agree.
Why do so many people in the US believe Hillary is untrustworthy?
Skillful manipulation of any misjudgement and sharp practice in the last twenty years?
Thing is, Clinton is a true politician, and all the machinations and questionable tactics that come with it.
Trump is an anti-politician (as well as the antichrist). His bombast and arseholish behavior convinces simpletons that he is 'a straight-shooter'. Truth is, they're made for each other, but I would rather have Mr Tumble as US president than that abomination Donald Trump. Still, it's **** all to do with me, so they're not asking me.
As elections contests go, this has plumbed new depths, even by American standards.
Danny add to that the fact she has the wrong gonads and you have the answer
Trump is corrupt and apparently so is Clinton but not so much.
As bad as each other really.
Republicans screwed up by nominating Trump as Clinton would have had at least some challenge.
Who knows? Brexit was a surprise for some!
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To which i can only say:
Trump of course has multiple lawsuits and trials lurking in the future some with dates set shortly after the election. clinton - nothing.
Its plain to see that Comey is trying to influence the election
but considering Trump appears to have had help from Russia and Wikileaks I dont think that will bother too many people
Not that I dont think there wont be anything dodgy in these emails, Im sure that clinton has skeletons weve no idea about in her closet.
Its just fairly obvious that the FBI is being used as a tool by its (republican) director
.......who himself is now being investigated for breaking the law!
Im thinking that america needs to take a time out and think about its political process
Yeah, but like you said:tjagain - Member
Trump of course has multiple lawsuits and trials lurking in the future some with dates set shortly after the election. clinton - nothing.
POSTED 2 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST.
tjagain - Member
No ninfan - innocent until proven guilty remember?
POSTED 19 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST
Its plain to see that Comey is trying to influence the election
but considering Trump appears to have had help from Russia and Wikileaks I dont think that will bother too many people
Not that I dont think there wont be anything dodgy in these emails, Im sure that clinton has skeletons weve no idea about in her closet.
Its just fairly obvious that the FBI is being used as a tool by its (republican) director
.......who himself is now being investigated for breaking the law!
FBI doing their job, investigating potential criminality with new info now available (650,000 emails to search)
AFAIK FBI directir is not being investigated, a Democrat Senator made an allegation and at the moment thats it
Things Russian hackers or Wikileaks may have done may well have assisted Trump but the motivation of
both has been revenge against Obama/Clinton administration.
Feedback and news coverage from the US suggests Americans care very much about the email scandal
Feedback and news coverage from the US suggests Americans care very much about the email
scandal
Fox news?
Most analysis I've read have it that the majority of people have made their minds up already. Trump had a great opportunity and screwed up by chasing the converted not the potential. Instead of chanting lock her up he needed to appeal to people like the women of the rep party who have deserted him.
We'll know in a week, the only poll that matters
650,000 emails to search)
Sounds like a lot, in sure that the FBI have the resources and software to pretty quickly establish if there anything dodgy in there.
Comey was warned by several colleagues that he could be influencing the election by releasing a statement ( which would be illegal) , before he knew what the content was.
He chose to ignore that advice and boom !
Now the Trump supporters get even more fired up and deplorable
jambalaya - Member
We'll know in a week, the only poll that matters
It's almost as if your getting all excited there... what was your US source?
Now the Trump supporters get even more fired up and deplorable
Trump supporter or another DNC plant?
[i]"We have mentally ill people that we pay to do shit, make no mistake. Over the last twenty years i have paid off a few homeless guys to do some crazy stuff, and I've also taken them for dinner, and I've also made sure they had a hotel and a shower and I've out them in a program. Like I've done that"[/i]
We'll know in a week, the only poll that matters
And as we know from the Brexit thread we'll have to find something else to chat about after the vote.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear - turns out Trump was right, Hilary [b]was[/b] being leaked questions in advance of debates:
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Indeed ninfan, debates have far too much focus so are therefore open to abuse
Mike business contacts and family
thats just preparation ninfan 😉
still keep worrying about some emails that hilary may or may not have sent on someone elses computer that werent illegal the last time they checked
meanwhile trump faces trial in November accused of racketeering and in December, accused of child rape
[s]And how much tax did he pay again?
I believe it's acceptable to stroke a cat in this coutry. But what would Donald do?[/s]
[s]FFS![/s]
I can't be arsed anymore with the pro Trumpette puppets.
Calling that abuse is farcical compared to the abuses that the Trumpette gets away with and the dumbshit supporters accept.
I'm embarrassed for you.
Hilary was being leaked questions in advance of debates:
she would of needed a good memory as it dated 3rd may 😯
she would of needed a good memory as it dated 3rd may
"One of the questions directed to HRC [b]tomorrow[/b]"
Although saying that, she did suffer certain health issues that erased her memory of much of the info the FBI asked her to recount. Maybe it [i]was[/i] a struggle to remember stuff from the previous day.
@kimbers they are many 10's of thousands of emails they haven't seen, deleted via bleaching. She can delete them at her end but they will be out there somewhere else.
Trump speaking in Michigan a state that was thought to be a safe Democrat state. He has gone there as he niw thinks he has a chance there.
yup totally unbiased then 😉
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/fbis-comey-opposed-naming-russians-citing-election-timing-source.html
meanwhile
She refuses to address evidence that [url= http://micahielnicholson.wixsite.com/everlastingfather2 ]she is a white supremist who is plotting to destroy black women.[/url]
She refuses to address evidence that she is a white supremist who is plotting to destroy black women.
Pah!
From a genuine US poll:
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And the FBI clears Clinton...again.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37892138 ]Link to BBC[/url]
so 25 years of politically inspired investigations costing hundreds of millions and not a single misdemeanour charge brought? she must be cleaner than almost any other politician on earth
I think some not government employed hackers in Russia are in trouble
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Here in the Midwest there is a strong trend of "Hillary hating". I can't even stand in line at the grocery store without overhearing "300,000 emails", "Benghazi", or simply "that bitch". It's utterly infuriating! I swear the majority of people voting for Trump just want to keep her out.... Democracy isn't worth a damn if everyone gets suckered into believing lies and accusations by the opposition. 😡
Astroturf Track World . .
brilliant summary here
https://www.ft.com/content/41f9b0fa-a43c-11e6-8898-79a99e2a4de6
How did Hillary Clinton go from being rated as the most admired woman that Americans “have heard about or read about, living in any part of the world”, in the words of an annual Gallup poll that she has topped for the past 14 years, to being equated with the disgraced Richard Nixon? And how did Donald Trump, her opponent, go from a history of corporate bankruptcies that made others pay the cost of his business failures, and from a record of racial discrimination, exploiting illegal labour, and predatory behaviour towards women, to being a viable candidate for the presidency of the US?
According to the fact-checking website Politifact, for instance, she is more honest than any of her 2016 opponents, yet Mr Trump attacks her as “Crooked Hillary”. He is rated as accurate only 4 per cent of the time, yet he calls her more corrupt than any other presidential candidate and insists that, if elected, she should be impeached. Mr Trump believes in the “big lie”: if a falsehood is big enough, and told often enough, it will win out.